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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 12, 2017 15:54:41 GMT
Just looking at some raw figures from the BBC webpages and footballweb pages. Taking into account teams promoted and relegated and based on last years average attendances. We should expect to have the tenth highest average attendance or there abouts. This season just gone we had the 15th most expensive season tickets and the 10th cheapest season tickets available. I am fully aware that season ticket prices have gone up especially in the south stand but cheaper season tickets are still available in the North and East stands. You make your choice and pay the price. We know that the ground charges that Oxford pay are high and I haven't got time to find out what they are relative to every one else but some one else may. In terms of speculation we have no idea of the size or quality of next season's squad so I shall base any further opinions on the previous season and say we have been extremely lucky in the quality if not depth of squad we have had. As a consequence I find the negative Eales comments bizarre in the extreme. Yes he has struggled to deal with FK but I also believe that hand on heart that Oxvox feel the same but quite rightly can't discuss it but the fact that they have not even achieved basic terms regarding the purchase with FK speak volumes even if they stood back whilst Sartori was in discussions with DE. Sartori spoke to FK but at no stage said a deal regarding the ground was imminent or possible. I recently decided to rejoin Oxvox and am generally interested in seeing what the leadership want to do and appreciate that they will allow us to chip in with our opinions The only thing apparent as far as I can see is that FK wants to make yet more money out of his Oxford United investment. He is not and never will be the clubs guardian, he is not protecting his legacy. All he is doing is pushing the council around to make that last big deal. DE is not perfect. He took to long to deal with 'flag gate' and let it fester, he has not made clear his stadium plans (but then it is not easy to solve either) and it appears that there is not the camaraderie with Oxvox that there once was. However he is not fleecing us as paying customers. As the numbers above prove. He is the one taking a gamble every time now with the transfer policy. We have done well last year and potentially this year if rumours are to be believed but you can't rely on this working every year alongside long cup runs. Sartori spoke about dreams but I prefer evidence and whether you like it or not. DE has walked the walk and talked the talk which is far more important. I think he is the best chair we have had in all the time I have supported the club. I cannot speak about anyone pre-Maxwell and the glory years in league 1. The fact he has changed his mind about ownership of the ground and been honest that he could not sustain us in the championship is refreshingly honest and for me shows someone who is willing to change their point of view that is something that I see as a quality in all good politicians and business people. There are other people out there who I think would make great a great chair but as SD would probably admit all the passion and determination in the world cannot always make your team the best. So if that puts me in the DE ~~~lickers brigade or anti Oxvox then so be it, but don't accuse me of being the narrow minded one. And you may not believe it of late but I agree with you on a lot of you're points, I've also said many times he's the best chairman since I've been a fan. And no matter what anyone's view of him is that can't be taken away. He has turned the club back into something to be proud of , and given us a team that's enjoyable to watch. That doesn't mean questions can't/shouldn't be asked. Most of which have only risen due to his own comments on various subjects. He has walked the walk, but has also said he can only walk so far. That's not a fault, like with players every chairman will have their level. You can't judge sartori on it as he hasn't had the opportunity to do so. But he does at least have the means to meet the ambition. And Darryl obviously thought he was a decent person to take over or the deal would have never have got as far as due diligence.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 12, 2017 16:02:07 GMT
And Darryl obviously thought he was a decent person to take over or the deal would have never have got as far as due diligence. .... which is one of the strangest things about this whole saga. Sartori would not have wasted his time and money going through due diligence unless he was pretty sure a deal with Mr Eales was very, very close. So why did Mr Eales pull the plug? Why did he - apparently suddenly and after considerable negotiating time - decide that the takeover was not in the best interests of OUFC? What new information came to the fore? Mix of very odd, very frustrating and very interesting.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 12, 2017 16:09:08 GMT
And Darryl obviously thought he was a decent person to take over or the deal would have never have got as far as due diligence. .... which is one of the strangest things about this whole saga. Sartori would not have wasted his time and money going through due diligence unless he was pretty sure a deal with Mr Eales was very, very close. So why did Mr Eales pull the plug? Why did he - apparently suddenly and after considerable negotiating time - decide that the takeover was not in the best interests of OUFC? What new information came to the fore? Mix of very odd, very frustrating and very interesting. Exactly pete, people have taken it as just me slating Darryl. Couldn't be further from the case. Like I've said his press releases just often leave more questions than answers . If the clubs not for sale- why spend 3 months talking. If a deal hadn't been agreed- why would sartori spend time and presumably money doing due diligence(something Darryl would have agreed to in passing over the accounts) Only for it to be deemed not in the best interests of the club. Fair enough today I quite possibly have read to much into mapps comments, although I do thing he's quite clever in how he gets stuff out in the press and he has had mumbling a previously about staying so long as oufc meet his ambition. But I do think Darryl needs to clear up why it's not in the clubs best interests, If for no other reason that after sartori's interview it then puts pressure on Darryl to do the same.
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Post by Mark on Jun 12, 2017 17:10:45 GMT
Off the top of my head some things that may not be in the club's best interests.
A real estate deal. We could find ourselves tied into a ground that would never have the capacity for championship football and revenues.
Would be a feeder team for Monaco like the Belgium club?
Is it the involvement of 'local people'?
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Post by uptheus on Jun 12, 2017 18:34:35 GMT
And Darryl obviously thought he was a decent person to take over or the deal would have never have got as far as due diligence. .... which is one of the strangest things about this whole saga. Sartori would not have wasted his time and money going through due diligence unless he was pretty sure a deal with Mr Eales was very, very close. So why did Mr Eales pull the plug? Why did he - apparently suddenly and after considerable negotiating time - decide that the takeover was not in the best interests of OUFC? What new information came to the fore? Mix of very odd, very frustrating and very interesting. Maybe it's not in the best interest of the club for Darryl to explain why he decided not to sell at the 11th hour at the moment?
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Post by MJB on Jun 12, 2017 18:38:24 GMT
I love how no one knows anything and the conversation keeps going round in circles. Keep it up lads, only six weeks until we can start talking about the actual football again!
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Post by haloras on Jun 12, 2017 20:02:45 GMT
Maybe it's all a double bluff. Maybe the deal is still on and all parties need the spotlight off to do the business quietly and descretely. Just a thought .
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jun 12, 2017 20:13:09 GMT
.... which is one of the strangest things about this whole saga. Sartori would not have wasted his time and money going through due diligence unless he was pretty sure a deal with Mr Eales was very, very close. So why did Mr Eales pull the plug? Why did he - apparently suddenly and after considerable negotiating time - decide that the takeover was not in the best interests of OUFC? What new information came to the fore? Mix of very odd, very frustrating and very interesting. Maybe it's not in the best interest of the club for Darryl to explain why he decided not to sell at the 11th hour at the moment? True DE does not have to explain and he probably won't for some considerable time, But it leaves a question wanting answered by lots of OUFC fans " why at the 11th hour have you said no"
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Post by riverplate on Jun 12, 2017 21:03:09 GMT
Just wish a deal could be done with Mr Eales and Sartori with Darrl still having some financial interest in the club. Just can't see FK ever selling to Mr Eales with Sartori it sounds like there would be more chance of FK selling to him.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 12, 2017 22:14:13 GMT
.... which is one of the strangest things about this whole saga. Sartori would not have wasted his time and money going through due diligence unless he was pretty sure a deal with Mr Eales was very, very close. So why did Mr Eales pull the plug? Why did he - apparently suddenly and after considerable negotiating time - decide that the takeover was not in the best interests of OUFC? What new information came to the fore? Mix of very odd, very frustrating and very interesting. Maybe it's not in the best interest of the club for Darryl to explain why he decided not to sell at the 11th hour at the moment? Well, we'd have to trust him, wouldn't we?
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Post by neville60 on Jun 13, 2017 3:14:36 GMT
Maybe it's not in the best interest of the club for Darryl to explain why he decided not to sell at the 11th hour at the moment? Well, we'd have to trust him, wouldn't we? Yep 🖒
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Post by yellowshert on Jun 13, 2017 13:07:01 GMT
Speculation is what makes a forum like this work but the amount of speculation on here which is used as solid evidence to bash DE is amazing.
What fan wouldn't want regular fan forums and want to know how much we intend to spend on players and all the other budgets?
However DE is running this as a business man as well as a fan and won't give us the detail we want because it will harm the club.
Yes, the debt is worrying, yes a lack of new staff and the time scales involved stresses me out but it is DE who has to deal with them in a business manner to the shareholders and not the fans. He has far more to lose financially that anyone if his plans fail.
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Post by londonroader on Jun 13, 2017 13:45:22 GMT
Speculation is what makes a forum like this work but the amount of speculation on here which is used as solid evidence to bash DE is amazing. What fan wouldn't want regular fan forums and want to know how much we intend to spend on players and all the other budgets? However DE is running this as a business man as well as a fan and won't give us the detail we want because it will harm the club. Yes, the debt is worrying, yes a lack of new staff and the time scales involved stresses me out but it is DE who has to deal with them in a business manner to the shareholders and not the fans. He has far more to lose financially that anyone if his plans fail. Yes DE does have more financially invested in the club than the fans, but if it all goes tits up he can go back to support brum what do Oxford fans do if there is no club to support. It's the age old adage, players, managers and owners come and go, it's the fans that are the constant lifeblood of every football team and are the real guardians of their club. DE has done a great job but that will never stop the fans questioning anything they feel uneasy with, clarity of information is a key to informing the good and bad news to the fans, unfortunately at the moment there is a lot happening around the club and speculation is rife which is unsettling for everyone.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 13, 2017 13:56:43 GMT
Speculation is what makes a forum like this work but the amount of speculation on here which is used as solid evidence to bash DE is amazing. What fan wouldn't want regular fan forums and want to know how much we intend to spend on players and all the other budgets? However DE is running this as a business man as well as a fan and won't give us the detail we want because it will harm the club. Yes, the debt is worrying, yes a lack of new staff and the time scales involved stresses me out but it is DE who has to deal with them in a business manner to the shareholders and not the fans. He has far more to lose financially that anyone if his plans fail. Yes DE does have more financially invested in the club than the fans, but if it all goes tits up he can go back to support brum what do Oxford fans do if there is no club to support. It's the age old adage, players, managers and owners come and go, it's the fans that are the constant lifeblood of every football team and are the real guardians of their club. DE has done a great job but that will never stop the fans questioning anything they feel uneasy with, clarity of information is a key to informing the good and bad news to the fans, unfortunately at the moment there is a lot happening around the club and speculation is rife which is unsettling for everyone. This is what I feel as well. The idea that nothing connected to the (most recent of many) chairman can be questioned would be more suited to a totalitarian regime such as North Korea, than a fans' forum for a L1 football club. What's wrong with asking why Sartori's bid was 'not in the interests of OUFC'? What's wrong with being concerned about lack of signings? Let's discuss these things, not cower in the shadows for fear that another poster might accuse us of disloyalty, or simply wish to stifle debate for whatever reason. I doubt the chairman is so sensitive that such questions from paying customers upset him.
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Post by foley on Jun 13, 2017 14:00:40 GMT
Off the top of my head some things that may not be in the club's best interests. A real estate deal. We could find ourselves tied into a ground that would never have the capacity for championship football and revenues. Would be a feeder team for Monaco like the Belgium club? Is it the involvement of 'local people'? I guess that it is not unreasonable for people to ask why the deal was turned down? Or people will speculate which I guess is what you are also doing above.
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Post by scotchegg on Jun 13, 2017 14:53:54 GMT
It is reasonable for people to ask why the deal fell through, but it is also reasonable to assume there are commercial sensitivities that prevent that at this stage.
Some have been quick to point the finger at DE as the reason a deal feel through, but without the full details we simply don't know.
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Post by headingtonutd on Jun 13, 2017 15:11:11 GMT
Off the top of my head some things that may not be in the club's best interests. A real estate deal. We could find ourselves tied into a ground that would never have the capacity for championship football and revenues. Would be a feeder team for Monaco like the Belgium club? Is it the involvement of 'local people'? I guess that it is not unreasonable for people to ask why the deal was turned down? Or people will speculate which I guess is what you are also doing above. Not unreasonable and indeed quite sensible given our history. I do think some are vilifying Eales without the facts to hand but then I guess that's what you leave yourself open to if you don't comment further on such an emotive subject. My guess would be that this deal has not run it's course and he doesn't want to say too much, but that is pure conjecture on my part.
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Post by foley on Jun 13, 2017 15:20:38 GMT
I guess that it is not unreasonable for people to ask why the deal was turned down? Or people will speculate which I guess is what you are also doing above. Not unreasonable and indeed quite sensible given our history. I do think some are vilifying Eales without the facts to hand but then I guess that's what you leave yourself open to if you don't comment further on such an emotive subject. My guess would be that this deal has not run it's course and he doesn't want to say too much, but that is pure conjecture on my part. Very fair point and you may be right. I agree totally that there are a coupe on here who seem to be vilifying DE unfairly. Most however simply have some concerns especially bearing in mind DE's comments about not being able to finance a championship team without additional finance and indeed his comments on the importance of the Stadium. Very little information has come out and clearly there is a lot not being said. Maybe things are still ongoing with regards to a potential deal.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jun 13, 2017 15:25:04 GMT
Not unreasonable and indeed quite sensible given our history. I do think some are vilifying Eales without the facts to hand but then I guess that's what you leave yourself open to if you don't comment further on such an emotive subject. My guess would be that this deal has not run it's course and he doesn't want to say too much, but that is pure conjecture on my part. Very fair point and you may be right. I agree totally that there are a coupe on here who seem to be vilifying DE unfairly. Most however simply have some concerns especially bearing in mind DE's comments about not being able to finance a championship team without additional finance and indeed his comments on the importance of the Stadium. Very little information has come out and clearly there is a lot not being said. Maybe things are still ongoing with regards to a potential deal. I am unsure why people would be worried about that right now? We are currently a league 1 side looking to get in the play offs this year and Eales has said the plan is to build a promotion winning team to get out of this league. I find it almost arrogant that some fans think we are just going to be in the Championship come the 2018/19 season. I also don't think it will help the team or manager next season because as soon as few bad results happen I can see the daggers coming out.
IMO this coming season could be a strange one in the terraces as the recent success over a short period of time has gone to some of the fan bases heads and a few could do with a reality check.
Lets worry about if we can finance a Championship team once we get there.
(this post isn't having a dig at you by the way!)
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Post by Mark Sennett on Jun 13, 2017 15:56:57 GMT
Speculation is what makes a forum like this work but the amount of speculation on here which is used as solid evidence to bash DE is amazing. What fan wouldn't want regular fan forums and want to know how much we intend to spend on players and all the other budgets? However DE is running this as a business man as well as a fan and won't give us the detail we want because it will harm the club. Yes, the debt is worrying, yes a lack of new staff and the time scales involved stresses me out but it is DE who has to deal with them in a business manner to the shareholders and not the fans. He has far more to lose financially that anyone if his plans fail. Actually this is the very reason why OxVox are shareholders in the club so they can ask direct questions. During my time on the committee we upped our minor shareholding through kind donation of shares by existing shareholders. This means OxVox has the right as a shareholder to ask pertinent questions so any question raised by their members they can then ask directly to the club at AGMs should they wish. Another poster has also claimed that WPL sold their debt to Darryl penny for penny. That is not my understanding at all. WPL was willing to write off the remaining debt that was not paid back via the purchase price. But Darryl decided to port this debt from WPL. It is a fact that the club's debt level with the ported debt and extra investment accrued in the time since the takeover (plus purchase price) is now way above the debt level that we had under WPL. In fact I believe it's the highest in the club's history including the dark days of the late 1990s when at least then we owned The Manor as an asset. So OxVox have every right to ask questions about debt level, running costs and if it is or isn't in the club's interests for a takeover to happen. The worrying aspects for me regardless of who owns the club is always debt level, level of annual losses and the inability to reunite club and stadium. As mentioned before 3 of the 4 key off the field positions still remain vacant (head of academy, head of commercial, MD) and no further update on our future training ground. I also believe our Women's Academy has very recently been downgraded one level. So this would be the ideal time for OxVox to ask what this means for our Academy as that is also due a status review in the coming months and any drop in category for that would have serious funding implications.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Jun 17, 2017 19:24:29 GMT
Juan? Are you there, Juan?
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Post by bigronaldo on Jun 18, 2017 16:44:56 GMT
Hello? Is that Juan? Help help! Were not waving, Were drowning!!
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Post by manorlounger on Jun 18, 2017 16:47:31 GMT
Hello? Is that Juan? Help help! Were not waving, Were drowning!! We've run out of apostrophes!! Help...
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Post by bigronaldo on Jun 18, 2017 16:57:11 GMT
What do you mean? I've won a post trophy?😊
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Post by manorlounger on Jun 18, 2017 16:59:57 GMT
What do you mean? I've won a post trophy?😊 Just Juan post trophy... with walls ice cream.😃
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Post by bigronaldo on Jun 18, 2017 17:12:13 GMT
I'm a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😊
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Post by manorlounger on Jun 18, 2017 17:22:21 GMT
I'm a winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😊 No prize money, sorry, all been spent already.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 26, 2017 10:59:09 GMT
Well he won't be turning his attention to Northampton, they have just been taken over by a Chinese sports company .
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Post by londonroader on Jun 26, 2017 14:24:16 GMT
Well he won't be turning his attention to Northampton, they have just been taken over by a Chinese sports company . Is that club and ground?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 26, 2017 14:38:13 GMT
Club
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