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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jun 12, 2017 9:25:15 GMT
Can you imagine what the state of the stadium will be in another 30+ years?
I am desperately hoping that DE has actually got some sort of ace up his sleeve. The way he has played his other cards has been cack-handed to say the least.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 12, 2017 9:37:37 GMT
Can you imagine what the state of the stadium will be in another 30+ years? I am desperately hoping that DE has actually got some sort of ace up his sleeve. The way he has played his other cards has been cack-handed to say the least. Well let's hope so! We're stuck in the twilight zone otherwise. Maybe he's secretly entertaining other suitors? Maybe he's bought an extra Euro Millions lottery ticket and is feeling confident?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 12, 2017 9:39:19 GMT
In 8 years a move probably won't be an option, and Kassam to renegotiate the lease can't see him renegotiate favourably towards OUFC. Worse case we continue with same terms for 25 years. He can only negotiate better I believe Given there's nothing in it for Kassam, why would he give better terms? And to Eales, with whom he doesn't get on? Seems to me that the club has nowhere to go and Kassam has no other partner to deal with: what happens if the lease isn't extended?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 12, 2017 9:46:09 GMT
Worse case we continue with same terms for 25 years. He can only negotiate better I believe Given there's nothing in it for Kassam, why would he give better terms? And to Eales, with whom he doesn't get on? Seems to me that the club has nowhere to go and Kassam has no other partner to deal with: what happens if the lease isn't extended? Well quite my point was he can't make it any worse, if. I agreement is reached it renews on the same terms. Which are still shit. Who doesn't eales get on with ? Just about everyone by the sounds of it
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 12, 2017 9:56:44 GMT
Why can't he make it any worse? Eales is reported as not getting on with OGB, I have no knowledge of his relationship with anyone else. Thank you
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 12, 2017 10:22:50 GMT
Why can't he make it any worse? Eales is reported as not getting on with OGB, I have no knowledge of his relationship with anyone else. Thank you Because it's already written into the current contract that is what would happen. He could of course break that like he does so many other things. But as it stands the theory we could end up on a much worse deal isn't correct
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jun 12, 2017 10:35:14 GMT
That may be legally true. But anyone who has ever lived in rented accommodation knows how much difference a good landlord can make as compared to an unhelpful one - even if they stick to the letter of the contract. DE falling out with FK doesn't help matters as we have already seen with the temporary fourth stand debacle. When you are at odds with the stadium owner, things get done slower and to lower standards with little or nothing done for good will. And in eight years time (or whatever it is) there is going to be a hell of a lot to do to keep the stadium up to scratch.
PS I don't doubt that Kassam is a nightmare to deal with!
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Jun 12, 2017 10:48:38 GMT
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Post by sussox on Jun 12, 2017 10:48:38 GMT
Why can't he make it any worse? Eales is reported as not getting on with OGB, I have no knowledge of his relationship with anyone else. Thank you He doesn't get on with oxvox Kassam or Occ seemingly, or can't do deals with them.
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Post by horseman on Jun 12, 2017 10:48:54 GMT
perhaps for once our landlord has met his match and discovered someone not prepared to grovel at his feet and kiss his boots.
it is pure speculation to even think that even if they were more amicable that our landlord would still be prepared to negotiate
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Post by bigronaldo on Jun 12, 2017 10:50:29 GMT
Lets hope DE comes out and tells us what he plans to do now! Some clarity is needed from the wreckage of the takeover and oxvox/ka$$am/council negs foundering. Such great momentum has been built, surely he is not content with just standing still now? Come on Daryl, come out swinging!! Leaders lead so f*cking well get on with it!
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jun 12, 2017 10:58:20 GMT
Lets hope DE comes out and tells us what he plans to do now! Some clarity is needed from the wreckage of the takeover and oxvox/ka$$am/council negs foundering. Such great momentum has been built, surely he is not content with just standing still now? Come on Daryl, come out swinging!! Leaders lead so f*cking well get on with it! It would be nice to know after 3 months of talks an 11th hour "no deal"
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Post by Si Bradbury on Jun 12, 2017 11:07:13 GMT
Lets hope DE comes out and tells us what he plans to do now! Some clarity is needed from the wreckage of the takeover and oxvox/ka$$am/council negs foundering. Such great momentum has been built, surely he is not content with just standing still now? Come on Daryl, come out swinging!! Leaders lead so f*cking well get on with it! That'll be a FANS FORUM BigRon. Something I believe the club are not prepared to consider 'currently' because it's been mooted by OxVox.
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Post by stevewilliams on Jun 12, 2017 11:12:12 GMT
so si bradbury can you confirm the rumours that kassam says no deal can be done on ground while eales owns it? whats your view on satoris bid? can you honestly say its in oufc interests that eales stays? this bloke raises prices and says we will have top 6 budget and we dont! he cant get a ground deal done. but satori says he could give top budget and ground and academy sorted. how is it in clubs interests that eales stays in your view?? i dont see oxvox sayin anything negative about eales at all here when its clear hes not able to offer what another man can.
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Post by myles on Jun 12, 2017 11:17:10 GMT
That'll be a FANS FORUM BigRon. Something I believe the club are not prepared to consider 'currently' because it's been mooted by OxVox. If true, that is simply shameful. A Fans Forum is very much required now for DE to set out his vision for the coming season and beyond, and properly explain why the rejected bid wasn't in the best interests of the club.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 12, 2017 11:23:12 GMT
so si bradbury can you confirm the rumours that kassam says no deal can be done on ground while eales owns it? whats your view on satoris bid? can you honestly say its in oufc interests that eales stays? this bloke raises prices and says we will have top 6 budget and we dont! he cant get a ground deal done. but satori says he could give top budget and ground and academy sorted. how is it in clubs interests that eales stays in your view?? i dont see oxvox sayin anything negative about eales at all here when its clear hes not able to offer what another man can. They have been rather restrained, haven't they?
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 12, 2017 11:25:00 GMT
Seriously though, OxVox are committed to working for the good of the club, so bad-mouthing (or truth-telling, to suit any taste) would be counter-productive.
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Post by foley on Jun 12, 2017 11:34:03 GMT
Worse case we continue with same terms for 25 years. He can only negotiate better I believe Seems to me that the club has nowhere to go and Kassam has no other partner to deal with: what happens if the lease isn't extended?My understanding is that OUFC have an option to renew the Licence. What terms that would be on though who knows. I would imagine that there would be quite a price rise after 25 years...
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Post by foley on Jun 12, 2017 11:36:53 GMT
That'll be a FANS FORUM BigRon. Something I believe the club are not prepared to consider 'currently' because it's been mooted by OxVox. If true, that is simply shameful. A Fans Forum is very much required now for DE to set out his vision for the coming season and beyond, and properly explain why the rejected bid wasn't in the best interests of the club. I totally agree that DE really needs to come out and give his vision for the future. The stadium is the elephant in the room. DE has sounded exasperated and hopeless with regard to what to do with the stadium. He has said that not owning it is holding the club back. There has to be some idea on what to do going forwards on this. The club's future could be at stake.
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Post by stevewilliams on Jun 12, 2017 11:38:48 GMT
if they are working for good of the club they should tell the truth and not protect eales. if he aint selling because its ab out him rather than the club moving forwards they should say. eales aint f'n worried about upsetting them he was slagging them off in a pub for all to hear last season and keeps smashing them in the press and they just take it. their statement last week praised the very man that treats them like dirt. they should grow a pair and say what is actually happening its their duty to inform their members of not only whats going on but how the relationhip with club is going. they are fence sitters like that know it all charlieghost
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 12, 2017 11:47:19 GMT
if they are working for good of the club they should tell the truth and not protect eales. ..... It's a difficult one for them decide when to cut the rope (I imagine), and I wouldn't want to make it, specially given the number of Eales Believers on here and in the world who will take a dim view of words against a bloke who bought them a pint or a hot dog once and always tells the truth. Easier from behind a keyboard.
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Post by stevewilliams on Jun 12, 2017 12:03:28 GMT
aint that the truth people love a free hot dog and beer but then forget they are actually paying for it in spades when ticket prices go up massively two years on the trot and we dont have a top 6 budget!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 12, 2017 12:47:29 GMT
One potential issue for FK will be when he wants to develop the car park, keeping in mind that housing plans may well change. I can imagine he wants to cash in now rather than later, so it surprises me how difficult he comes across as being. You'd think he'd want to remove the stadium from his portfolio and get on with making money.
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Post by foley on Jun 12, 2017 12:55:51 GMT
One potential issue for FK will be when he wants to develop the car park, keeping in mind that housing plans may well change. I can imagine he wants to cash in now rather than later, so it surprises me how difficult he comes across as being. You'd think he'd want to remove the stadium from his portfolio and get on with making money. There was an interesting comment at the Oxvox meeting Oxvox were saying that FK isn't too bothered with the money (that of course does not mean that he will ever give money away). He is far more interested in seeing a 'legacy' So a potential sticking point over the ground sale was the fact that he wanted his name to remain on the Stadium. I still don't quite get it but I guess that all football owners (Ok maybe most of them ) have egos. So far as FK being difficult. he seems to have all of the cards. So if he has decided he doesn't like Eales and won't sell to him, then he can be difficult. FK can afford to play the long game in all of this. The question I guess for OUFC is whether they can get a better deal or whether they need to start looking somewhere else....
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 12, 2017 13:05:24 GMT
One potential issue for FK will be when he wants to develop the car park, keeping in mind that housing plans may well change. I can imagine he wants to cash in now rather than later, so it surprises me how difficult he comes across as being. You'd think he'd want to remove the stadium from his portfolio and get on with making money. There was an interesting comment at the Oxvox meeting Oxvox were saying that FK isn't too bothered with the money (that of course does not mean that he will ever give money away). He is far more interested in seeing a 'legacy' So a potential sticking point over the ground sale was the fact that he wanted his name to remain on the Stadium. I still don't quite get it but I guess that all football owners (Ok maybe most of them ) have egos. So far as FK being difficult. he seems to have all of the cards. So if he has decided he doesn't like Eales and won't sell to him, then he can be difficult. FK can afford to play the long game in all of this. The question I guess for OUFC is whether they can get a better deal or whether they need to start looking somewhere else.... He could resolve his legacy in a simple manner by being the custodian he claims to be and offering flexibility to the club/council/community. There are many ways to maintain his legacy and get people on side that they are happy for the stadium to retain it's name. He just seems to want the former and not the latter. It's curious that he won't sell the car parks but look to develop on them. There are times I'm glad DE called out FK for rinsing the club of money for the license they have and the little the stadco do for it. But longer term, it's back fired a little.
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Post by MJB on Jun 12, 2017 13:14:14 GMT
aint that the truth people love a free hot dog and beer but then forget they are actually paying for it in spades when ticket prices go up massively two years on the trot and we dont have a top 6 budget! How expensive were these hotdogs? Sounds like both red and brown sauce was being offered too. Very decadent.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 12, 2017 13:15:50 GMT
aint that the truth people love a free hot dog and beer but then forget they are actually paying for it in spades when ticket prices go up massively two years on the trot and we dont have a top 6 budget! How expensive were these hotdogs? Sounds like both red and brown sauce was being offered too. Very decadent. .... and there was a 'no sauce at all' option, I believe.
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Post by headingtonutd on Jun 12, 2017 13:35:20 GMT
aint that the truth people love a free hot dog and beer but then forget they are actually paying for it in spades when ticket prices go up massively two years on the trot and we dont have a top 6 budget! How expensive were these hotdogs? Sounds like both red and brown sauce was being offered too. Very decadent. Floury baps
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 12, 2017 14:04:33 GMT
How expensive were these hotdogs? Sounds like both red and brown sauce was being offered too. Very decadent. Floury baps A love of big baps can get u in all sorts of trouble
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Post by arthurturner on Jun 12, 2017 14:07:13 GMT
We have to assume that Darryl Eales has a plan going forward which resolves the two main issues facing the Club; the stadium and financing getting to the Championship and staying there. If he doesn't he would surely have sold out to Sartori. What we would like to know is: What's the plan Darryl?
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Post by yellowshert on Jun 12, 2017 15:22:11 GMT
Just looking at some raw figures from the BBC webpages and footballweb pages.
Taking into account teams promoted and relegated and based on last years average attendances. We should expect to have the tenth highest average attendance or there abouts.
This season just gone we had the 15th most expensive season tickets and the 10th cheapest season tickets available.
I am fully aware that season ticket prices have gone up especially in the south stand but cheaper season tickets are still available in the North and East stands. You make your choice and pay the price.
We know that the ground charges that Oxford pay are high and I haven't got time to find out what they are relative to every one else but some one else may.
In terms of speculation we have no idea of the size or quality of next season's squad so I shall base any further opinions on the previous season and say we have been extremely lucky in the quality if not depth of squad we have had.
As a consequence I find the negative Eales comments bizarre in the extreme.
Yes he has struggled to deal with FK but I also believe that hand on heart that Oxvox feel the same but quite rightly can't discuss it but the fact that they have not even achieved basic terms regarding the purchase with FK speak volumes even if they stood back whilst Sartori was in discussions with DE. Sartori spoke to FK but at no stage said a deal regarding the ground was imminent or possible.
I recently decided to rejoin Oxvox and am generally interested in seeing what the leadership want to do and appreciate that they will allow us to chip in with our opinions
The only thing apparent as far as I can see is that FK wants to make yet more money out of his Oxford United investment. He is not and never will be the clubs guardian, he is not protecting his legacy. All he is doing is pushing the council around to make that last big deal.
DE is not perfect. He took to long to deal with 'flag gate' and let it fester, he has not made clear his stadium plans (but then it is not easy to solve either) and it appears that there is not the camaraderie with Oxvox that there once was.
However he is not fleecing us as paying customers. As the numbers above prove. He is the one taking a gamble every time now with the transfer policy. We have done well last year and potentially this year if rumours are to be believed but you can't rely on this working every year alongside long cup runs.
Sartori spoke about dreams but I prefer evidence and whether you like it or not. DE has walked the walk and talked the talk which is far more important.
I think he is the best chair we have had in all the time I have supported the club. I cannot speak about anyone pre-Maxwell and the glory years in league 1.
The fact he has changed his mind about ownership of the ground and been honest that he could not sustain us in the championship is refreshingly honest and for me shows someone who is willing to change their point of view that is something that I see as a quality in all good politicians and business people.
There are other people out there who I think would make great a great chair but as SD would probably admit all the passion and determination in the world cannot always make your team the best.
So if that puts me in the DE ~~~lickers brigade or anti Oxvox then so be it, but don't accuse me of being the narrow minded one.
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