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Post by bigronaldo on Jan 9, 2017 9:12:32 GMT
Perhaps we were just getting to the point of seeing something from the lad? He is another of those young players that mapp has picked up who have come here to get experience and games. Interesting to see how this pans out.
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Post by yellowblood on Jan 9, 2017 9:40:07 GMT
The lad is just turning 18 this week!! I think it would be unfair for both West Brom and Oxford to be expecting the player to be playing (let alone performing) every week or even twice a week. I am sure him staying on would be beneficial to all. He looks to be progressing and is a good substitute. If West Brom are expecting him to be starting then that would be unrealistic and unfair on the player. With the exception of perhaps Defoe, there aren't many youngsters that go out of loan and player 30 games.
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Post by MJB on Jan 9, 2017 9:42:19 GMT
Oxford Mail reporting today that Mapp feels it's increasingly unlikely because of the delay.
Seems a bit strange as you'd be surprised to see him go a level higher seeing as he is still adjusting to playing L1 level men's football and both he and OUFC have publicly declared that they'd be up for a renewal.
Bit of a head scratcher but I'm glad the club are lining up alternatives at least.
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Post by foley on Jan 9, 2017 10:08:10 GMT
Yes a strange one.
I would have thought that it would all be great experience for Roberts. In addition he seemed to play very well at Gillingham which as MAPP suggested means that he would be more likely to get more game time.
I can't see how playing Development football only will help him as much as being here.
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Post by uptheus on Jan 9, 2017 23:37:41 GMT
Yes a strange one. I would have thought that it would all be great experience for Roberts. In addition he seemed to play very well at Gillingham which as MAPP suggested means that he would be more likely to get more game time. I can't see how playing Development football only will help him as much as being here. But up until a few weeks ago he wasn't getting game time, so probably not much difference playing in our development squad compared to theirs. I actually think that Roberts didn't think it turned out to be as good as he hoped it would be. Personally, if we're not paying too much for him then he'd be a good addition as a squad player, but if he's fairly costly in terms of salary then I'd rather we used that money on a player who truly can enhance the team than just a general squad player which Inthink Roberts is at the moment. To me he only really had a good game at Gillingham which was a shame as it was his last game for us, but don't think he was overly impressive overall. Basically, I'll be happy if he returned because he was just starting to show potential, but wouldn't lose sleep if he didn't.
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Post by uptheus on Jan 9, 2017 23:40:48 GMT
Yes a strange one. I would have thought that it would all be great experience for Roberts. In addition he seemed to play very well at Gillingham which as MAPP suggested means that he would be more likely to get more game time. I can't see how playing Development football only will help him as much as being here. But up until a few weeks ago he wasn't getting game time, so probably not much difference playing in our development squad compared to theirs. I actually think that Roberts didn't think it turned out to be as good as he hoped it would be. Personally, if we're not paying too much for him then he'd be a good addition as a squad player, but if he's fairly costly in terms of salary then I'd rather we used that money on a player who truly can enhance the team than just a general squad player which I think Roberts is at the moment. To me he only really had a good game at Gillingham which was a shame as it was his last game for us, but don't think he was overly impressive overall. Basically, I'd be happy if he returned because he was just starting to show potential or glimpses of what he's capable of and I'd like to see that, but at the same time I wouldn't lose sleep if he didn't return.
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Post by Junior on Jan 10, 2017 3:22:18 GMT
Played for WBA last night v villa u23 . 3-3 draw - didn't score.
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Post by Mark on Jan 10, 2017 9:28:33 GMT
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Post by socrates on Jan 10, 2017 9:57:08 GMT
Absolutely no loss whatsoever.
We need someone who will do more than have a good 15 minutes every 5 months
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jan 10, 2017 10:11:59 GMT
Loaning in young players is such a lottery. You might get a Jonjo Kenny or you might end up with a Dan Crowley. And as we found with the former - if they are any good you don't get to keep them!
When they are as young as Tyler Roberts is, the chances of them being able to immediately step up is pretty small. He looked like a halfway decent player in the making but probably a year too inexperienced to make a huge impact for us.
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Post by makv on Jan 10, 2017 10:47:11 GMT
Are they specifically looking for a "new club" - i.e. not Oxford? If so, I wonder if that means they weren't happy with how we used him?
If not, then he's been quoted as saying he'd like to stay/return and MApp has been quoted as saying he'd like him to stay/return.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Jan 10, 2017 11:00:31 GMT
Well, as we've seen from some WBA fans, we just didn't realise that their children are better than our own men. He could've played on ice skates and still scored a hat trick every game. The kids are just THAT good.
He left it until his last day with us to have a decent cameo. Aside from that he did very little. Most games he looked poor, he scored against what was essentially a glorified Sunday League side in Merstham but looked no better than their players all game... I don't get it. I just don't get why we'd want to keep him. I don't think he looked any better than our own Roberts, and certainly didn't appear anywhere near as arsed.
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Post by grenobleroad on Jan 10, 2017 11:30:17 GMT
Well, as we've seen from some WBA fans, we just didn't realise that their children are better than our own men. He could've played on ice skates and still scored a hat trick every game. The kids are just THAT good. He left it until his last day with us to have a decent cameo. Aside from that he did very little. Most games he looked poor, he scored against what was essentially a glorified Sunday League side in Merstham but looked no better than their players all game... I don't get it. I just don't get why we'd want to keep him. I don't think he looked any better than our own Roberts, and certainly didn't appear anywhere near as arsed. Have to agree with that. Not only in terms of attitude but willingness to learn the type of football being played around him.
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Post by Junior on Jan 10, 2017 11:39:35 GMT
Wonder if Appleton was wanting to keep him in attempt to keep WBA sweet ( not worked ) and not to appear have Oxford appear to be a bad place for a youngster on loan. Crowley and Roberts have both failed to delver and that may have not gone unnoticed when it comes to allowing talented youngsters out on loan.
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Post by grenobleroad on Jan 10, 2017 11:45:18 GMT
Wonder if Appleton was wanting to keep him in attempt to keep WBA sweet ( not worked ) and not to appear have Oxford appear to be a bad place for a youngster on loan. Crowley and Roberts have both failed to delver and that may have not gone unnoticed when it comes to allowing talented youngsters out on loan. On the opposite side of Crowley & Roberts, we have George Baldock, Jordan Graham, Kemar Roofe, Phil Edwards, JJ Kenny and to a lesser extent Charlie Raglan who have had successful loan spells at the club. Barnsley had the same issue with Crowley so no blame there. As for Roberts, I actually think he was far too young/inexperienced to be loaned to a club in league 1.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jan 10, 2017 12:07:26 GMT
Wonder if Appleton was wanting to keep him in attempt to keep WBA sweet ( not worked ) and not to appear have Oxford appear to be a bad place for a youngster on loan. Crowley and Roberts have both failed to delver and that may have not gone unnoticed when it comes to allowing talented youngsters out on loan. On the opposite side of Crowley & Roberts, we have George Baldock, Jordan Graham, Kemar Roofe, Phil Edwards, JJ Kenny and to a lesser extent Charlie Raglan who have had successful loan spells at the club. Barnsley had the same issue with Crowley so no blame there. As for Roberts, I actually think he was far too young/inexperienced to be loaned to a club in league 1. Jordan Graham back on loan would be good as a replacement. He will be working back from his injury so likely limited football with Wolves first team. We can demonstrate a good medical team and it means we could rotate Rob Hall with JG so neither would be overplayed.
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Post by socrates on Jan 10, 2017 12:09:42 GMT
Wonder if Appleton was wanting to keep him in attempt to keep WBA sweet ( not worked ) and not to appear have Oxford appear to be a bad place for a youngster on loan. Crowley and Roberts have both failed to delver and that may have not gone unnoticed when it comes to allowing talented youngsters out on loan. On the opposite side of Crowley & Roberts, we have George Baldock, Jordan Graham, Kemar Roofe, Phil Edwards, JJ Kenny and to a lesser extent Charlie Raglan who have had successful loan spells at the club. Barnsley had the same issue with Crowley so no blame there. As for Roberts, I actually think he was far too young/inexperienced to be loaned to a club in league 1. Roberts is a kid so you can't comapre him to the loans that ahve worked out. All had good league experience. Said so when he signed but the academy system in the PL does not produce league-ready players. They are pampered beyond belief. And the standard is no way near pro football. It's a helluva culkture shock when they get into a 1st team environment. He will probably end up at a Lge 2 club. But laughable that one of the WBA fans was on here earlier syaing he'd be on their bench!
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Post by arthurturner on Jan 10, 2017 12:10:42 GMT
Or maybe MAPP is building his credibility to take charge of England's Under 21's?
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jan 10, 2017 12:18:52 GMT
I definitely think he expected more game time than he got and he wasn't as good/ready as we thought he would be.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jan 10, 2017 12:21:39 GMT
Didn't really rate Tyler Roberts, He maybe good in the future but tbh he hasn't set Oxford on fire MAPP can move on and look for another player
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Post by shosho on Jan 10, 2017 13:37:06 GMT
Over the last week or so, a point has been made several times that the players are given the responsibility to manage themselves. Raglan, MApp and just today Giles has mentioned it. Obviously I don't know the inner workings of prem club, however if we believe the press there is plenty of hand holding within the academies...which I guess if you are 17 is a tough transition to make.
I don't think MApp's or the club's stock will have taken a hit with the Roberts/Crowley loans. MApp is clearly trusted with youngsters, can't blame him or the club for Crowley not working out (problems at Barnsley also) and a 17 year old.
Lets face it, if you were an attacker at a Pulis team, would you trust him with your development?
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Post by kidintheriot on Jan 10, 2017 16:08:18 GMT
Given the success of Jon Joe and Lunny, and the concept that Everton produced talent and physically ready youth players, I'd be knocking on their door now asking about wide prospects.
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Post by Young Money on Jan 10, 2017 16:42:51 GMT
Do you think teams like Everton (or Everton specifically even) like then fact that we sign players like Lundstram and Ledson, or it annoys them?
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Post by Marked Ox on Jan 10, 2017 17:03:11 GMT
Do you think teams like Everton (or Everton specifically even) like then fact that we sign players like Lundstram and Ledson, or it annoys them? I would hope it is like as their staff must hope the ex Academy players (not making it in their 1st team) go on to have good career opportunities. If nothing else it helps them sell the Academy to prospective players/parents even if they don't make it at Everton.
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Post by yellows1 on Jan 10, 2017 22:05:45 GMT
Amazed he got as much game time as he did, not good enough, in fact nowhere near, WE MOVE ON......
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Post by rhinoyellow on Jan 16, 2017 17:53:05 GMT
Off to shrewsbury
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 16, 2017 18:01:47 GMT
Loan ?
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Post by rhinoyellow on Jan 16, 2017 19:24:21 GMT
Yeah end of the season
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jan 16, 2017 19:31:30 GMT
So much for the "I enjoyed it hear good bunch of lads staff are great" obviously we aren't us to what WBA want or the Shrews are paying more money for him. Ah well let's move they're loss not ours
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Post by rhinoyellow on Jan 16, 2017 19:33:06 GMT
So much for the "I enjoyed it hear good bunch of lads staff are great" obviously we aren't us to what WBA want or the Shrews are paying more money for him. Ah well let's move they're loss not ours Tbh boils down to game time...toney has gone now so probably more hope of minutes on the pitch
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