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Post by Marked Ox on Dec 3, 2016 10:37:08 GMT
There is clearly a player there who hasn't yet adapted fully from Academy football. But I wish one of the coaching staff would tell him to try and lash the ball home occasionally when he gets a chance. Last night, he had a good chance, and like when he has had such chances in the past, he tried to side foot/pass it into the net. I suspect he would have had a far better chance if he had cracked it with the top of his foot.
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Post by dabigfella on Dec 3, 2016 14:12:48 GMT
Roberts is here to learn. So as such he will get the odd game or part of a game to help that learning. Unfortunately last night was the last sort of game he should have been selected for. That was a managerial error.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 3, 2016 14:45:36 GMT
Roberts was a lot better when not playing the up front role last night. Their CBs were slow, but our balls up top were meat and drink to them and Roberts struggled to get into a game of that kind
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Post by Paul Cannell on Dec 3, 2016 15:48:25 GMT
Indeed. I can't see what Apples was thinking of with that set-up.
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Post by sussox on Dec 3, 2016 16:51:57 GMT
Does his year loan allow for a quick return home if it isn't working out?
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Post by Marked Ox on Dec 3, 2016 17:05:35 GMT
Roberts is here to learn. So as such he will get the odd game or part of a game to help that learning. Unfortunately last night was the last sort of game he should have been selected for. That was a managerial error. I'd agree with that. Really my point is his technique when shooting, he will try to lash the ball in from outside the box but inside he always tries to side foot it which is frustrating as hell to watch. The coaching need to talk to him about varying his technique inside the box.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Dec 3, 2016 17:14:00 GMT
Does his year loan allow for a quick return home if it isn't working out? His is a six month nth loan ends in January
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Post by nick68 on Dec 3, 2016 19:58:00 GMT
I actually thought in the 10/15 minutes before he came off he started to play pretty well, think he was too isolated in the 1st half and a little unfair on a young lad lacking strength and possibly confidence through not playing regularly.
As for his chance I think he was making sure he got it on target rather than hitting it harder and risking it flying 20 foot over the bar, hindsight is wonderful.
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Post by barbadosyellow on Dec 3, 2016 20:35:45 GMT
He certainly knows how to lash the ball past Benji in pre match subs warm ups
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Post by bigcrompy on Dec 3, 2016 21:27:10 GMT
Roberts is here to learn. So as such he will get the odd game or part of a game to help that learning. Unfortunately last night was the last sort of game he should have been selected for. That was a managerial error. No - sorry. Roberts is here taking a place in a full-time professional squad. Oxford United doesn't exist merely to do West Bromwich Albion favours, (though if Roberts' loan goes well it may end up being mutually beneficial). But he'll most likely be a Welsh international one day and a top flight player, he'll never play for Oxford at the peak of his powers. Make no mistake - he's here to contribute to Oxford United, otherwise there's no benefit for us. And if he can't cut it, we're as well having Jeacock or Jonny Giles keeping the bench warm.
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 3, 2016 22:25:52 GMT
I think that's the issue, he is obviously still learning, and it's only his 5th ? Professional league game. He obviously has the talent/potential or he wouldn't be at wba, the difference is they are willing to wait for the potential to develop where as we need to see it, these games he plays for us in the bigger picture don't matter to wba. We're willing to give time and patience to our own youth, James Roberts scored his first goal of the season today despite starting lots for city, in a league however many below us, yet some would have him back in our lineup 2moro. Tyler has a start where he's isolated up too on his own, and people never want to see him play for us again. I think we got a glimpse of what he could do once Taylor came on, will we have the patience to see more of it ? I'm not so sure, I think both parties for different reasons will agree that he hasn't/isn't getting enough game time, and he will return in Jan.
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Post by baggs on Dec 4, 2016 11:30:52 GMT
Roberts is here to learn. So as such he will get the odd game or part of a game to help that learning. Unfortunately last night was the last sort of game he should have been selected for. That was a managerial error. No - sorry. Roberts is here taking a place in a full-time professional squad. Oxford United doesn't exist merely to do West Bromwich Albion favours, (though if Roberts' loan goes well it may end up being mutually beneficial). But he'll most likely be a Welsh international one day and a top flight player, he'll never play for Oxford at the peak of his powers. Make no mistake - he's here to contribute to Oxford United, otherwise there's no benefit for us. And if he can't cut it, we're as well having Jeacock or Jonny Giles keeping the bench warm. Sorry but this is wrong. Leko, Field and Roberts all broke through into the first team last season. Roberts set up a goal for Rondon against LIverpool. All three signed 2 1/2 pro contracts. because of the sale we only bought in Matt Phillips and Nacer Chadli. The loss of Sessegnon, Anichebe and Lambert, left woefully short of attacking options Forcing Pulis to using the three in a rotating position on the bench. Appleton came to us and asked for Leko. Since Leko was going used as a sub, We loaned Roberts to you paying his wages Roughly £12.5kpw. What "favours" have you do us? He would have trained with the first team like Leko and Field have. Appleton hasn't played him which is annoying because the both times his comeback for 2 PL2 games he's scored in both, the winner in one. The Berahino situation means it was probably a mistake to loan him. I know that James Shan was frustrated by it. This Winter window big for us, I think all three to get loaned if we get the players Pulis wants. If he comes back to you I expect Oxford will be charged loan fees for him
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 4, 2016 11:41:03 GMT
Like I said above though mate I can't see it for from either side, as it's a catch 22, he's not getting enough game time from wba point of view, but when he has, either in cup games or spells as a sub he hasn't done enough to earn a starting place the following week
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Dec 4, 2016 11:58:33 GMT
Academy games don't mean a thing - the standard and competitiveness of football in L1 is higher. He could score a hat trick every game he went back and it wouldn't make a difference. His work rate isn't high enough more than anything, and he regularly looks out of his depth. He may have scored against Merstham in the FA Cup, a team from the seventh tier, but his overall game was poor and he was one of the worst all round players that day. He shows the odd bit of skill and scored a cracker against Exeter in the tinpot but that's it. He's been underwhelming and has deserved no more than the minutes he's got and is getting. Sorry if it's not good enough or is so hard to believe that a child can't walk into the third tier of the game and run rings around people just because he plays for a bog standard PL club.
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Post by holdsteady on Dec 4, 2016 12:00:33 GMT
No - sorry. Roberts is here taking a place in a full-time professional squad. Oxford United doesn't exist merely to do West Bromwich Albion favours, (though if Roberts' loan goes well it may end up being mutually beneficial). But he'll most likely be a Welsh international one day and a top flight player, he'll never play for Oxford at the peak of his powers. Make no mistake - he's here to contribute to Oxford United, otherwise there's no benefit for us. And if he can't cut it, we're as well having Jeacock or Jonny Giles keeping the bench warm. Sorry but this is wrong. Leko, Field and Roberts all broke through into the first team last season. Roberts set up a goal for Rondon against LIverpool. All three signed 2 1/2 pro contracts. because of the sale we only bought in Matt Phillips and Nacer Chadli. The loss of Sessegnon, Anichebe and Lambert, left woefully short of attacking options Forcing Pulis to using the three in a rotating position on the bench. Appleton came to us and asked for Leko. Since Leko was going used as a sub, We loaned Roberts to you paying his wages Roughly £12.5kpw. What "favours" have you do us? He would have trained with the first team like Leko and Field have. Appleton hasn't played him which is annoying because the both times his comeback for 2 PL2 games he's scored in both, the winner in one. The Berahino situation means it was probably a mistake to loan him. I know that James Shan was frustrated by it. This Winter window big for us, I think all three to get loaned if we get the players Pulis wants. If he comes back to you I expect Oxford will be charged loan fees for him He hasn't done anything to justify a loan fee, so no way would we pay it. 12.5k a week? I know he is young but he doesn't look anywhere near good enough for the premier league. He isn't anywhere near ready for your first team, probably never will be.
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Post by baggs on Dec 4, 2016 12:12:24 GMT
Sorry but this is wrong. Leko, Field and Roberts all broke through into the first team last season. Roberts set up a goal for Rondon against LIverpool. All three signed 2 1/2 pro contracts. because of the sale we only bought in Matt Phillips and Nacer Chadli. The loss of Sessegnon, Anichebe and Lambert, left woefully short of attacking options Forcing Pulis to using the three in a rotating position on the bench. Appleton came to us and asked for Leko. Since Leko was going used as a sub, We loaned Roberts to you paying his wages Roughly £12.5kpw. What "favours" have you do us? He would have trained with the first team like Leko and Field have. Appleton hasn't played him which is annoying because the both times his comeback for 2 PL2 games he's scored in both, the winner in one. The Berahino situation means it was probably a mistake to loan him. I know that James Shan was frustrated by it. This Winter window big for us, I think all three to get loaned if we get the players Pulis wants. If he comes back to you I expect Oxford will be charged loan fees for him He hasn't done anything to justify a loan fee, so no way would we pay it. 12.5k a week? I know he is young but he doesn't look anywhere near good enough for the premier league. He isn't anywhere near ready for your first team, probably never will be. Fine you don't have to pay it. I was at the Liverpool game and seen the highlights of the PL2 games with Berahino gone he would had the same amount of chances here that he has had at Oxford. Leko's on 10 already
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Post by bigcrompy on Dec 4, 2016 12:19:14 GMT
No - sorry. Roberts is here taking a place in a full-time professional squad. Oxford United doesn't exist merely to do West Bromwich Albion favours, (though if Roberts' loan goes well it may end up being mutually beneficial). But he'll most likely be a Welsh international one day and a top flight player, he'll never play for Oxford at the peak of his powers. Make no mistake - he's here to contribute to Oxford United, otherwise there's no benefit for us. And if he can't cut it, we're as well having Jeacock or Jonny Giles keeping the bench warm. Sorry but this is wrong. Leko, Field and Roberts all broke through into the first team last season. Roberts set up a goal for Rondon against LIverpool. All three signed 2 1/2 pro contracts. because of the sale we only bought in Matt Phillips and Nacer Chadli. The loss of Sessegnon, Anichebe and Lambert, left woefully short of attacking options Forcing Pulis to using the three in a rotating position on the bench. Appleton came to us and asked for Leko. Since Leko was going used as a sub, We loaned Roberts to you paying his wages Roughly £12.5kpw. What "favours" have you do us? He would have trained with the first team like Leko and Field have. Appleton hasn't played him which is annoying because the both times his comeback for 2 PL2 games he's scored in both, the winner in one. The Berahino situation means it was probably a mistake to loan him. I know that James Shan was frustrated by it. This Winter window big for us, I think all three to get loaned if we get the players Pulis wants. If he comes back to you I expect Oxford will be charged loan fees for him No, it isn't wrong. We'd love him to contribute; he hasn't yet. If there was no benefit to Albion, they would not loan him to us. This loan isn't presently benefitting Oxford United in any shape or form. We've a similar situation with Oxford City taking four of our fringe players. I have absolutely no doubt that Ashby, Giles, Cundy and Roberts would be getting next to no football were it not for this loan arrangement, and it is clear that City are 'doing us a favour'. In that case, since some of our players are doing reasonably well it's mutual. It may yet be with Tyler Roberts at Oxford, it just...hasn't been yet.
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Post by tatabanya on Dec 4, 2016 12:43:27 GMT
On current evidence WBA are welcome to him.
I'm not sure what his strengths are, and he isn't good enough at the moment for League 1.
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Post by grenobleroad on Dec 4, 2016 12:58:20 GMT
12.5k a week at 17?! Is this standard in the premiership. No wonder crowley has a chip on his shoulder.
Jeez I would of gone off the rails at that age, madness.
Even more crazy when some of them come out bankrupt or skint after.
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Post by baggs on Dec 4, 2016 13:41:55 GMT
Sorry but this is wrong. Leko, Field and Roberts all broke through into the first team last season. Roberts set up a goal for Rondon against LIverpool. All three signed 2 1/2 pro contracts. because of the sale we only bought in Matt Phillips and Nacer Chadli. The loss of Sessegnon, Anichebe and Lambert, left woefully short of attacking options Forcing Pulis to using the three in a rotating position on the bench. Appleton came to us and asked for Leko. Since Leko was going used as a sub, We loaned Roberts to you paying his wages Roughly £12.5kpw. What "favours" have you do us? He would have trained with the first team like Leko and Field have. Appleton hasn't played him which is annoying because the both times his comeback for 2 PL2 games he's scored in both, the winner in one. The Berahino situation means it was probably a mistake to loan him. I know that James Shan was frustrated by it. This Winter window big for us, I think all three to get loaned if we get the players Pulis wants. If he comes back to you I expect Oxford will be charged loan fees for him No, it isn't wrong. We'd love him to contribute; he hasn't yet. If there was no benefit to Albion, they would not loan him to us. This loan isn't presently benefitting Oxford United in any shape or form. We've a similar situation with Oxford City taking four of our fringe players. I have absolutely no doubt that Ashby, Giles, Cundy and Roberts would be getting next to no football were it not for this loan arrangement, and it is clear that City are 'doing us a favour'. In that case, since some of our players are doing reasonably well it's mutual. It may yet be with Tyler Roberts at Oxford, it just...hasn't been yet. In hindesight being 20/20 let's agree it was probably a mistake to loan him. Pulis wouldn't have given him a contract if he was rubbish, Berahino was crap on loan but great when his head is striaght. We're are down four forwards and Pulis was goning to rotate Roberts ewith Leko both as Subs. Appleton asked for Leko who would have been admittedly first choice but needing resting. Which is where Roberts would have played. So as a trade we gave you Roberts while paying his wages. You'll understand why they are so high if you make the Prem with an academy. Imagine James Roberts being signed away for a pittance literally for less money than it took to train him by say Chelsea. But, I digress. He comes to you then doesn't play, Comes back to us to play in his proper age group, scores. Goes back to back to you doesn't play, Comes back is MOTM. Then goes back out doesn't play. You understand the frustration. How would you feel if that's James Roberts (who I take is a Striker right?) Both Leko and Field have had first team minutes this season both will probably be loaned to championship sides while Roberts if he he stay in the dev squad has half a season to catch up. That's why Shan is frustrated
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 4, 2016 13:49:44 GMT
But James Roberts has been on loan, and like Tyler not scoring, there is a massive difference in talent from Prem b games to l1. Even Chelsea under 23 didn't get through in our jpt group. He can be the most rated wonder kid on the planet, if he doesn't show it when he get on the pitch for oufc, then he won't get more time on the pitch, that's not a dig at Roberts, it's the same for any player in our squad.
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Post by holdsteady on Dec 4, 2016 14:05:32 GMT
12.5k a week at 17?! Is this standard in the premiership. No wonder crowley has a chip on his shoulder. Jeez I would of gone off the rails at that age, madness. Even more crazy when some of them come out bankrupt or skint after. That's what I thought, their are good players in their twenties playing first team football in la liga for £10 grand a week, players who have more ability than Roberts most likely. If a 17 year old like Roberts has a contract worth a few million then that is a perfect example of silly English money that foreign clubs laugh about. Can't blame the lad for signing the contract but you have to question the clubs who pay it.
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Post by cedricterrier on Dec 4, 2016 14:07:35 GMT
I don't know what ap was thinking in playing him up top . Surely in training he could see he couldn't hold the ball up or win a header .? I'm just shocked .. It was either arrogant that we could win with any team or stupidity .. Rest hemmings ok . Then play Taylor . Just a shock .
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Post by baggs on Dec 4, 2016 14:58:52 GMT
12.5k a week at 17?! Is this standard in the premiership. No wonder crowley has a chip on his shoulder. Jeez I would of gone off the rails at that age, madness. Even more crazy when some of them come out bankrupt or skint after. That's what I thought, their are good players in their twenties playing first team football in la liga for £10 grand a week, players who have more ability than Roberts most likely. If a 17 year old like Roberts has a contract worth a few million then that is a perfect example of silly English money that foreign clubs laugh about. Can't blame the lad for signing the contract but you have to question the clubs who pay it. there's no Multiquote I wanted answer this and the next one. OK It's all to with EPPP. Rotherham have a player called Izzy Brown. He was at our academy and a top prospect. he had signed his first pro contract which at the time was not to shabby £1800pw because he signed a pro contract it meant he could be approached by other teams academies. Chelsea £25kpw to jump which he did. It went to tribunal and we were awarded less than it cost to train him So now we offer higher contracts but protection of a golden handcuff so we get a slight profit if they decide to go elsewhere
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Post by baggs on Dec 4, 2016 14:59:55 GMT
I don't know what ap was thinking in playing him up top . Surely in training he could see he couldn't hold the ball up or win a header .? I'm just shocked .. It was either arrogant that we could win with any team or stupidity .. Rest hemmings ok . Then play Taylor . Just a shock . that's how he play here
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Post by werthersoriginal on Dec 4, 2016 17:21:19 GMT
Mate you have no idea what players earn and neither do I. But it's pretty clear that Tyler Roberts isn't on 12K a week! He may make it as a footballer, he may not, it's too early to say, but I think we would do best to send him back and get someone with more experience in.
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 4, 2016 17:26:09 GMT
Mate you have no idea what players earn and neither do I. But it's pretty clear that Tyler Roberts isn't on 12K a week! He may make it as a footballer, he may not, it's too early to say, but I think we would do best to send him back and get someone with more experience in. It's not that unreasonable, there is average players in the champ on 30/40k Roberts is a highly rated prospect that they didn't want to lose on the cheap. Football manger is pretty spot on with what players are on, and he's about inline with that. Like someone says above it's easy to see why it can go to their heads at an early age. If u think beano is on 2k ish in the conference 12.5k for one of the top prospects out of a prem academy don't suddenly sound that silly
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Post by foley on Dec 4, 2016 17:32:38 GMT
I don't know what ap was thinking in playing him up top . Surely in training he could see he couldn't hold the ball up or win a header .? I'm just shocked .. It was either arrogant that we could win with any team or stupidity .. Rest hemmings ok . Then play Taylor . Just a shock . Er...MAPP is no idiot. I would guess that the plan was to get the ball wide and get in crosses and also to put balls through to Roberts to run onto. My guess is that he expected the team to play better and to not play as much long ball... Don't forget that COD played 'up top' a few times and quite often it worked (one of the 5-1 away victories last season)
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Post by holdsteady on Dec 4, 2016 18:03:32 GMT
That's what I thought, their are good players in their twenties playing first team football in la liga for £10 grand a week, players who have more ability than Roberts most likely. If a 17 year old like Roberts has a contract worth a few million then that is a perfect example of silly English money that foreign clubs laugh about. Can't blame the lad for signing the contract but you have to question the clubs who pay it. there's no Multiquote I wanted answer this and the next one. OK It's all to with EPPP. Rotherham have a player called Izzy Brown. He was at our academy and a top prospect. he had signed his first pro contract which at the time was not to shabby £1800pw because he signed a pro contract it meant he could be approached by other teams academies. Chelsea £25kpw to jump which he did. It went to tribunal and we were awarded less than it cost to train him So now we offer higher contracts but protection of a golden handcuff so we get a slight profit if they decide to go elsewhere Fair enough, I have heard Chelsea pay 30k a week to one young lad so I suppose it's the only way you can compete. Great for these young players bank balances but not certain it's helpful in producing young players to make them millionaire's before they have played a first team game.
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Post by yellowandbluearmy on Dec 4, 2016 18:08:22 GMT
Would send Tyler back (not renew in Jan) Taylor isn't good enough, Thomas is out and that leaves us with big Kane. A new striker is needed, if not 2.
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