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Post by tonto on Dec 27, 2016 2:09:40 GMT
its unfair to throw him on with only a few minutes to go and expect him to do something special hes only 17! Far better to put Scarz on and move Johnson up front surely.
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Post by grenobleroad on Dec 27, 2016 8:56:14 GMT
its unfair to throw him on with only a few minutes to go and expect him to do something special hes only 17! Far better to put Scarz on and move Johnson up front surely. Ten minutes left and putting him on when it's 0-0? Hardly a bad time? I don't expect him to score every time but I want him to have some sort of impact. Unfortunately when he gets the ball, we seem to lose it shortly after.
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 27, 2016 9:01:09 GMT
I like the idea of giving a young hungry striker the chances for 10/15 mins at the end. But I'm not sure he offers us any more than James Roberts would. He may well go on to become a great prem striker, but at the min I'd rather have a young version of Danny hylton coming on, run at people, hassle and hurry tiring slow defenders
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Post by holdsteady on Dec 27, 2016 10:01:15 GMT
He is not physically strong enough for professional football at the moment. He could go on to be a good prem player I suppose (although the only reason I can see for that is he is still so young that he has plenty of time to improve), but at the moment he isn't up to men's football, gets pushed off the ball ridiculously easy.
I doubt he would be playing if Thomas and Sercombe hadn't got injured, and the Crowley situation hadn't happened, we are short of attacking options so don't have much choice until we can bring in reinforcements, after that I doubt we will see much of him.
He seems a decent enough lad, but at this stage of his career would be better of in youth team football until he develops physically.
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Post by Junior on Dec 27, 2016 11:26:12 GMT
On the James Roberts theme, he scored for Ox city yesterday.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Dec 27, 2016 11:30:34 GMT
On the James Roberts theme, he scored for Ox city yesterday. Forget James Roberts IMO. Unfortunately I just can't seem making it as a pro with us (maybe in league 2) but I think everything that happened in his life last year set him back a lot. Ashby is another who seems to be struggling to make the most of early potential.
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 27, 2016 11:35:07 GMT
Didn't say he was the answer, just that I don't think Tyler is offering us anything that James wouldn't at the min. Both are as far from starting a league game as each other, but if we had to have one on the bench may as well have one of our own and not pay any loan fees
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Post by lambchop on Dec 27, 2016 16:37:32 GMT
Does anyone know if the club get paid by the EFL for playing him? I'm sure I read somewhere that the EFL pay clubs for playing young internationals. So I assume as he's a Welsh Under(whatever) we get something. That could explain why MAPP seems to play him when he's. It up to the job
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 27, 2016 16:38:50 GMT
Isn't that what's being brought in next season ? Think it would only apply to ur own player anyway surely ?
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Post by lambchop on Dec 27, 2016 16:57:01 GMT
Isn't that what's being brought in next season ? Think it would only apply to ur own player anyway surely ? I've no idea, I think I saw it on a tweet about the EFL fining clubs like Luton for fielding young plays and paying others for fielding young players. Really not sure how it works
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Post by oufcyellows on Dec 27, 2016 17:02:43 GMT
Think it the same thing I saw, saying how it's their rule this year that's fining Luton yet next season they will be paying them to do it. Show what a bunch of muppets run the game
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Post by eighteen93 on Jan 3, 2017 7:21:01 GMT
I've been a bit critical of TR lately but having seen his superb cameo at Priestfield I can see there is a 'player' in there. He looked big, strong, quick and his link up play and movement were of a different class.
Yes Gills were diabolical but the guy did well up front.
Heard the paperwork could be signed today to extend the loan from WBA.
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Post by londonroader on Jan 3, 2017 7:49:07 GMT
I've been a bit critical of TR lately but having seen his superb cameo at Priestfield I can see there is a 'player' in there. He looked big, strong, quick and his link up play and movement were of a different class. Yes Gills were diabolical but the guy did well up front. Heard the paperwork could be signed today to extend the loan from WBA. Yes I agree, not the finished article but with a bit more confidence and conviction in front of goal a good asset to the squad.
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Post by tatabanya on Jan 3, 2017 14:42:53 GMT
I've been a bit critical of TR lately but having seen his superb cameo at Priestfield I can see there is a 'player' in there. He looked big, strong, quick and his link up play and movement were of a different class. Yes Gills were diabolical but the guy did well up front. Heard the paperwork could be signed today to extend the loan from WBA. Agree, that was a very good performance from Ty
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Post by essexyellows on Jan 3, 2017 14:47:35 GMT
Give the lad some time we won`t need to be looking for a striker, there is so much of his game that can only be learnt through playing against & along side those with the experience.
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Post by baggs on Jan 3, 2017 19:46:31 GMT
Can't see it being this week, but it's up to Shan
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Post by dorsetyelloww on Jan 3, 2017 21:53:59 GMT
I really can't see the point in keeping him any longer. He isn't a prolific goal scorer and frankly he is one of the worst during the pre match shooting warm up and that really is saying something. We have better options on the wings with Hall, Maguire and Marv. Sure he may develop in to a much better player in a year or two, however WBA see him as one of their future players and therefore we can't even view him as an investment. So what's the point?
Skarz should go back in defence, freeing up Marv for the wing role he was bought for. This gives Mapp the option of playing either Hall or Maguire on the other side and using the other one up front or more options if Hall is on the bench and Taylor partners Hemming at the start.
We owe it to ourselves to try Taylor and Hemmings together to start a few games and if Hemmings still hasn't proved himself by then at least we know he's not up to it for certain. Although in fairness I haven't seen anything from Hemmings to think he is the player we need.
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Post by oxfordmitch on Jan 5, 2017 9:28:13 GMT
I really can't see the point in keeping him any longer. He isn't a prolific goal scorer and frankly he is one of the worst during the pre match shooting warm up and that really is saying something. We have better options on the wings with Hall, Maguire and Marv. Sure he may develop in to a much better player in a year or two, however WBA see him as one of their future players and therefore we can't even view him as an investment. So what's the point? Skarz should go back in defence, freeing up Marv for the wing role he was bought for. This gives Mapp the option of playing either Hall or Maguire on the other side and using the other one up front or more options if Hall is on the bench and Taylor partners Hemming at the start. We owe it to ourselves to try Taylor and Hemmings together to start a few games and if Hemmings still hasn't proved himself by then at least we know he's not up to it for certain. Although in fairness I haven't seen anything from Hemmings to think he is the player we need. Dorset Yellow, did you go to Gillingham? Whilst I think most would agree he has shown next to nothing while in a yellow shirt, his cameo at the Priestfield has shown that Roberts DOES have the qualities we need. We cannot ignore the fact that is only 20 mins against all the other little bits and pieces he has played, but I think those who went to Gillingham would now agree if we can see more of that side of Tyler Roberts, then we should definitely keep him. I highly doubt he is on mega money as a 17 year old, and I can imagine we are paying very little of his wage anyway. If that is the case, then it is a no brainer to keep him on, if we see more of what we saw on Monday. Possibly he is also not a winger or a 10. Maybe he needs to play as an out and out centre forward.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jan 5, 2017 13:46:35 GMT
MAPP has reiterated that he wants to reap the rewards of the hard work we have put in with Roberts and not someone else. The lad has needed some seasoning and experience and he will have that now. Signing a 17 year old was never going to be an immediate success.
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Post by baggs on Jan 5, 2017 15:41:53 GMT
MAPP has reiterated that he wants to reap the rewards of the hard work we have put in with Roberts and not someone else. The lad has needed some seasoning and experience and he will have that now. Signing a 17 year old was never going to be an immediate success. Meetings Today and next Thursday to discuss loans
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Post by socrates on Jan 6, 2017 10:22:12 GMT
I really can't see the point in keeping him any longer. He isn't a prolific goal scorer and frankly he is one of the worst during the pre match shooting warm up and that really is saying something. We have better options on the wings with Hall, Maguire and Marv. Sure he may develop in to a much better player in a year or two, however WBA see him as one of their future players and therefore we can't even view him as an investment. So what's the point? Skarz should go back in defence, freeing up Marv for the wing role he was bought for. This gives Mapp the option of playing either Hall or Maguire on the other side and using the other one up front or more options if Hall is on the bench and Taylor partners Hemming at the start. We owe it to ourselves to try Taylor and Hemmings together to start a few games and if Hemmings still hasn't proved himself by then at least we know he's not up to it for certain. Although in fairness I haven't seen anything from Hemmings to think he is the player we need. Dorset Yellow, did you go to Gillingham? Whilst I think most would agree he has shown next to nothing while in a yellow shirt, his cameo at the Priestfield has shown that Roberts DOES have the qualities we need. We cannot ignore the fact that is only 20 mins against all the other little bits and pieces he has played, but I think those who went to Gillingham would now agree if we can see more of that side of Tyler Roberts, then we should definitely keep him. I highly doubt he is on mega money as a 17 year old, and I can imagine we are paying very little of his wage anyway. If that is the case, then it is a no brainer to keep him on, if we see more of what we saw on Monday. Possibly he is also not a winger or a 10. Maybe he needs to play as an out and out centre forward. Come on. You can't call out a poster for telling it as it is. The overwhelming evidence has been that's he's not up to it. Against sides like Merstham and Macc he was struggling. Until Monday. SO he needs to di it against Rotherham. Then again in the next game. And again. Before it's a 'no brainer'.
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Post by mika442 on Jan 6, 2017 16:26:43 GMT
He's gone back now, so we can stop the debate.
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Post by makv on Jan 6, 2017 16:32:45 GMT
He's gone back now, so we can stop the debate. ?
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Post by dabigfella on Jan 6, 2017 16:41:27 GMT
He's gone back now, so we can stop the debate. ? Gone back and played for their development side. Return starting to look a bit dubious.
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Post by makv on Jan 6, 2017 16:43:22 GMT
Gone back and played for their development side. Return starting to look a bit dubious. I saw that. But no confirmation he's not returning.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jan 6, 2017 16:49:49 GMT
He has played in games for their development side while he has been on loan here.
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Post by finlandia on Jan 6, 2017 16:50:52 GMT
On the OWS on the Rotherham Preview it says that Roberts has gone bak
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jan 6, 2017 16:57:49 GMT
It says: "Tyler Roberts is not involved having returned to parent club West Brom."
Badly phrased I *think* - Roberts has gone back to WBA to have discussions about his loan carrying on or not, so won't have been involved in training.
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Post by baggs on Jan 6, 2017 18:40:00 GMT
Gone back and played for their development side. Return starting to look a bit dubious. It was part of the loan clause mate, Too be fair to him he looked great in those games 3 goals and a MOTM performance. It just hasn't happened at Oxford. There was a meeting yesterday and another one next Thursday to discuss the 13 loaned/soon to beloaned players
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Post by tonto on Jan 9, 2017 1:12:01 GMT
He changed my mind a bit at gillingham.
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