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Post by stevegilbert on Jan 29, 2015 22:13:17 GMT
What evidence do you have that we treated players poorly? Morris and Jak didn't do enough to prove themselves and are now struggling to get into york's and daggenhams team. Howard didn't do enough in games and is now playing in a league below. Brown told the manager to F off, if i told my manager to f off then i would be sacked. Hunt and Newey didn't fit into MApps style so were moved on - thats the business of football. Potter admitted he needes a fresh start and said it is down to him to sort his head out. We offered Riley a deal but he got a offer from a club 6 miles from his home, we can't move the city of oxford to bolton. In the mean time we have got THD who is a very good player, just signed 2 highly regarded players from the championship and have put a very good offer to buy Barnett but are up against players in higher leagues. I wonder why Brown told Appleton to f*ck off (by the way how do you know that's true?) Hunt, Newey and Howard suddenly not even in the squad, next minute two of them shown the exit door with the other leaving shortly after. Morris and Jakubiak wanting to leave. Potter not finding his firm which was no wonder after it was disclosed that he'd out the door come January which was prior to his come back after injury. Like I've said before for some reason I still want Appleton to succeed, but he has made a bit of a hash of managing some players. Let's hope that Collins isn't next! Add to this, I was talking to a Pompey fan the other day who's in their fan trust to some capacity and we got talking about Appleton, well let's just say there seemed to be a lot of comparisons e.g. Pissing/messing players off/about, playing players out of position, poor man management etc. I asked him about Awford, and his reply was he'd rather have him as their manager than Appleton. Report so far for Appleton, steep learning curve, hopefully learnt by mistakes, need to do better, but.... The fact you could see him do it on TV might give away that Brown told him to f*ck off. The next part of your post I wont bother with as I have already explained why they moved on. As for Pompey, i'm not surprised he had to play players out of position, he only got a team together a few weeks before the season! As for messing players around, I imagine MApp had to shuffle the team around a lot with the state of things going on at the time. Interesting that you still haven't given any evidence to how we have treated players poorly.
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Post by winchesterox on Jan 29, 2015 22:19:31 GMT
Obviously would like to understand both sides or 3 sides to the story, but whatever its's still another shambolic situation. It does look more and more like we are being run (and I don't mean owned) by the chuckle brothers. I also wonder if this will influence current or potential signings. Therein lies the problem when signing or releasing players. "To me, to you, to me, to you, to me, to you....." it gets so confusing for the player!
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Post by uptheus on Jan 29, 2015 22:19:40 GMT
Another example of us treating players poorly. Morris, Jakubiak, Howard, Hunt, Brown, Newey, Potter, etc. Is it a wonder why we're struggling to sign players on permanently or players (Riley) don't fancy returning. What a load of bollocks!!! I wonder if those players felt it's a load of bollox. Also when I say treated poorly I mean from a management point of view.
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Post by stevegilbert on Jan 29, 2015 22:21:37 GMT
What a load of bollocks!!! I wonder if those players felt it's a load of bollox. Also when I say treated poorly I mean from a management point of view. Any prove in this yet?
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Post by uptheus on Jan 29, 2015 22:32:06 GMT
I wonder if those players felt it's a load of bollox. Also when I say treated poorly I mean from a management point of view. Any prove in this yet? Being played in wrong position, left in the wilderness then expected to play as though they've played week in week out, not given sufficient time in their best position to prove their worth = poor man management, thus not getting the best potential out of those players. And do you really need me to explain that to you when experienced players such as Newey, Hunt, Howard and Brown didn't seem to work out? Collin's next?
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Post by TurnOfFrase on Jan 30, 2015 5:30:57 GMT
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Post by blox21 on Jan 30, 2015 5:39:18 GMT
Another example of us treating players poorly. Morris, Jakubiak, Howard, Hunt, Brown, Newey, Potter, etc. Is it a wonder why we're struggling to sign players on permanently or players (Riley) don't fancy returning. You must be ITK
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Post by dabigfella on Jan 30, 2015 6:35:52 GMT
Not really surprised that he has gone. I always thought that it was a hell of a step up from Jarrow Roofing. This doesn't mean he's a bad player, just not what we needed. Never understood why Appleton signed him. Panic maybe?
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Post by woodageoufc on Jan 30, 2015 6:59:52 GMT
I'm sorry, but what part of the way we are run constitutes anything other than an incredibly professionally organised and well thought out club. The PR? The fact that we're able to keep transfers secret? The fact that we've got the best working situation we've had with Kassam in years? Or is it the fact we've been signing Championship/League 1 level players? Maybe it's the fee-paying transfers most likely coming out way...[/quot What's the basis for your comment re improving situation with Kassam? Every so often we hear a comment like that from the club but what is the proof of improving relations? After having a conversation at length with Tony Davison (admittedly about something totally unrelated) earlier in the season, he spoke very highly of their working relationship and how it had improved for example being allowed to have the portable club shop, some changes to the boxes and a couple of other minor things...
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 30, 2015 7:02:11 GMT
Being played in wrong position, left in the wilderness then expected to play as though they've played week in week out, not given sufficient time in their best position to prove their worth = poor man management, thus not getting the best potential out of those players. And do you really need me to explain that to you when experienced players such as Newey, Hunt, Howard and Brown didn't seem to work out? Collin's next? f*ck me u r spouting the biggest amount of shit I have ever read! Played in their wrong position! Shit they better on onto the human right commission . Potter was given plenty of chance by 3 different mangers but has not got his form back. One min you want new players next you want us to keep Howard brown newey and hunt. How big a squad do u want, then in a couple of weeks time u will be moaning as some are being treated badly by being left out of the squad. And that's there is not enough seat for the 38 man said on the bench
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Post by uptheus on Jan 30, 2015 7:29:59 GMT
Being played in wrong position, left in the wilderness then expected to play as though they've played week in week out, not given sufficient time in their best position to prove their worth = poor man management, thus not getting the best potential out of those players. And do you really need me to explain that to you when experienced players such as Newey, Hunt, Howard and Brown didn't seem to work out? Collin's next? f*ck me u r spouting the biggest amount of shit I have ever read! Played in their wrong position! Shit they better on onto the human right commission . Potter was given plenty of chance by 3 different mangers but has not got his form back. One min you want new players next you want us to keep Howard brown newey and hunt. How big a squad do u want, then in a couple of weeks time u will be moaning as some are being treated badly by being left out of the squad. And that's there is not enough seat for the 38 man said on the bench I believe some of those players would have been better players if they'd been managed better, and we wouldn't be where we are now. Never mind, there's always next season and when we're out of the cups we can concentrate on the league. Do I think Appleton will turn it around? possibly, but he better do it darn quick for my sake. And you do twist things to help you in your deluded world you live in. I just want a manager (and Appleton may be it, but not proved it yet) who manages players well, by giving them a chance (and that's not one f*cking game) in their rightful position to give them the best chance to reach their potential for themselves and the club alike. Anyway, I don't give a f*ck what you think so I won't be responding to your pathetic response to this one.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 30, 2015 7:49:03 GMT
But you can say that at every club , some players would do better under a different manager. Players are also told to leave at every club and replacement brought in. Newey played nearly every game first half of the season with potter getting 15. You don't think that's giving them a chance?? You don't think players like Morris were let go to bring in more experience like Barnett As for your I trust the owner not the other 2 idiots comment. What part do u think mapp had in renegotiating the term of the deal??? It would have been all down to Ashton with maybe some involvement by the man paying the money. Not the bloke there to coach the team.
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Post by thehorse on Jan 30, 2015 8:08:47 GMT
All of the players mentioned have not been treated badly as far as any of us can see. What happens at the training ground and changing room none of us know.
If anything, being told they are not going to play as much as they would like and being allowed to move on through mutual terminations and free transfers is being fair and letting them get a chance to continue their career elsewhere.
The loan players are here to gain experience, yes. But not at the expense of Oxford Utd.
A loan should benefit both the player in terms of development but also the club by the player being better than what they already have, as soon as one side of this doesn't happen the loan isn't working so should be terminated.
Oufc are not a vehicle to develop players to benefit other clubs at the cost of poor results, that's what a reserve team is for where results do not matter.
A loan player still has to prove themselves as the best option and neither jakubiak or Morris did this.
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Post by tatabanya on Jan 30, 2015 9:22:13 GMT
What a load of bollocks!!! I wonder if those players felt it's a load of bollox. Also when I say treated poorly I mean from a management point of view. In that case can we say that they treated us poorly, from a playing point of view?
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Post by foley on Jan 30, 2015 9:38:35 GMT
Being played in wrong position, left in the wilderness then expected to play as though they've played week in week out, not given sufficient time in their best position to prove their worth = poor man management, thus not getting the best potential out of those players. And do you really need me to explain that to you when experienced players such as Newey, Hunt, Howard and Brown didn't seem to work out? Collin's next? You seem to love slagging the club and management off and yet your assertions rarely have any foundation. It is quite normal for new managers to come in and get rid of players. I don't think that it will shock many on here to think that Hunt and Newey were not thought of as good enough (most at the end of last season were suggesting that). So you are suddenly suggesting that they were? Look at any new manager in the Premiership or league 2 and many will do a similar thing. Indeed I reckon that you would have slagged off Jim Smith in his glory years. Hinshelwood had an excellent season and was one of the best right backs in Division 3. Jim Smith got rid of him and replaced him with a to then injury prone Dave Langan. Biggins and Whatmore's goals helped us win Division 3 and yet he replaced them. With Hamilton and Aldridge. George Lawrence was got rid of having made a bad backpass and pissing JS off. I seem to remember he was got rid of that next week. You and your poor management. Were you not slagging the medical staff off recently (Hoskins playing) under the guise of 'management'. Some occasional 'facts' would help your argument.....
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 30, 2015 9:57:53 GMT
He can supply facts , because there ain't any. It's just ramblings of a very grumpy individual with something seriously against the club
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Post by uptheus on Jan 30, 2015 18:08:23 GMT
He can supply facts , because there ain't any. It's just ramblings of a very grumpy individual with something seriously against the club I've got nothing against the club and for the fans sake want the club to be as successful as possible, but I would have thought our position in the league would give enough fact(s).
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Post by jammydodger on Jan 31, 2015 17:19:33 GMT
Very unlikely coming back to Oxford according to MApp.
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Post by rambler on Jan 31, 2015 17:35:26 GMT
Very unlikely coming back to Oxford according to MApp. A bit disappointed to hear this.
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Post by MJB on Jan 31, 2015 18:25:33 GMT
Very unlikely coming back to Oxford according to MApp. A bit disappointed to hear this. A shame but very little room for sentimentality in football.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 18:25:46 GMT
It's a shame but as the Lord used to say...well we move on don't we? Difficult game next week, but I think we can win it
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Post by nick68 on Jan 31, 2015 19:12:02 GMT
I think this whole scenario is a real shame and one that doesn't necessarily leave our club in a good light, we struck a deal and have now tried to change it. I feel for the player himself to be honest!
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Post by MJB on Jan 31, 2015 19:22:16 GMT
I think this whole scenario is a real shame and one that doesn't necessarily leave our club in a good light, we struck a deal and have now tried to change it. I feel for the player himself to be honest! It's called negotiating. Wish we'd done more of it under Merry.
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Post by arkn1ght on Jan 31, 2015 19:22:29 GMT
It is a shame - but let's face it - If he had stayed, with TB possibly coming back into the building? his first team opportunities would have been very limited. Probably unlikely?
Alex McDonald is also very likely to be joining the party by Monday. Done deal!
He'd be fifth or sixth in the pecking order?
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Post by nick68 on Jan 31, 2015 20:01:42 GMT
I think this whole scenario is a real shame and one that doesn't necessarily leave our club in a good light, we struck a deal and have now tried to change it. I feel for the player himself to be honest! It's called negotiating. Wish we'd done more of it under Merry. But you don't try to negotiate a month after you've agreed a deal, by all means be tough in the initial negotiations but to then try to move the goal posts when it's time to pay up doesn't put the club in a good light.
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Post by MJB on Jan 31, 2015 20:11:25 GMT
It's called negotiating. Wish we'd done more of it under Merry. But you don't try to negotiate a month after you've agreed a deal, by all means be tough in the initial negotiations but to then try to move the goal posts when it's time to pay up doesn't put the club in a good light. Lots of assumptions at play here as the club has, rightly, kept quiet on the detail. However, if we're to believe what's in the public domain, we were about to enter the second stage of a three-part process. Only the first phase had any definite agreement, the rest were open to negotiation, as has happened on this occasion and Oxford were correct to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 22:02:21 GMT
I think this whole scenario is a real shame and one that doesn't necessarily leave our club in a good light, we struck a deal and have now tried to change it. I feel for the player himself to be honest! It's called negotiating. Wish we'd done more of it under Merry. There's negotiating and there's reneging. Hard to tell which but from the soundbites of both clubs we don't come out smelling of roses. Who knows what happened though?
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Post by uptheus on Feb 1, 2015 22:36:06 GMT
Jakubiak got a good goal yesterday.
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Post by scotchegg on Feb 1, 2015 22:42:48 GMT
Jakubiak got a good goal yesterday. Well done him. I couldn't be more proud. Oh no, hang on, just realised that I couldn't give 2 shits!!! Similar to the way I feel about your pointless opinions.
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Post by uptheus on Feb 1, 2015 23:37:26 GMT
Jakubiak got a good goal yesterday. Well done him. I couldn't be more proud. Oh no, hang on, just realised that I couldn't give 2 shits!!! Similar to the way I feel about your pointless opinions. Hit a nerve!
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