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Post by Marked Ox on Apr 24, 2016 13:18:13 GMT
So who would be at the front of your queue of nations desperate to buy our products? Quite a few Name them and explain why they are desperate to buy our products?
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Post by flean on Apr 24, 2016 13:19:04 GMT
So who would be at the front of your queue of nations desperate to buy our products? Quite a few Quite a few unnamed countries. Right.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 24, 2016 13:28:25 GMT
It's free trade if a country doesn't want to trade with us that is their business, who needs the yanks Europe will always trade with us irrespective of whether we are in or out, Then there is the middle and Far East countries so we will be in its just the yanks always try to run other countries, They ought to keep their noses out.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 24, 2016 13:29:10 GMT
It's free trade if a country doesn't want to trade with us that is their business, who needs the yanks Europe will always trade with us irrespective of whether we are in or out, Then there is the middle and Far East countries so we will be ok.its just the yanks always try to run other countries, They ought to keep their noses out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 13:32:52 GMT
Used up with Obama poking his nose into our affairs. He can p**** off and mind his own business. If he doesn't want to trade with us for ten years so be it. I hope voters on polling day will remember his interference and decide it is most unwelcome. If the EU is so good for us why is not so good for the USA
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 13:34:21 GMT
Fed up with Obama........
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Post by flean on Apr 24, 2016 13:40:57 GMT
It's free trade if a country doesn't want to trade with us that is their business, who needs the yanks Europe will always trade with us irrespective of whether we are in or out, Then there is the middle and Far East countries so we will be in its just the yanks always try to run other countries, They ought to keep their noses out. So you'd prefer to enter a Norway / Switzerland style trade agreement where we still pay into the EU, have to follow their regulations but have no representatives? Who needs the world's most important economy? I love your naivety, but i'd fear for the youth of the UK.
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Post by flean on Apr 24, 2016 13:42:28 GMT
Used up with Obama poking his nose into our affairs. He can p**** off and mind his own business. If he doesn't want to trade with us for ten years so be it. I hope voters on polling day will remember his interference and decide it is most unwelcome. If the EU is so good for us why is not so good for the USA Fed up with Obama giving his opinion? So the only people that can voice their opinion are the Brits?
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Post by Young Money on Apr 24, 2016 15:21:22 GMT
The thing is if Obama had said 'definitely leave' you wouldn't all be saying he needs to keep out of it, you'd be lauding him. This whole debate is just people twisting things (both sides) to fit their point of view.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 24, 2016 16:29:40 GMT
Used up with Obama poking his nose into our affairs. He can p**** off and mind his own business. If he doesn't want to trade with us for ten years so be it. I hope voters on polling day will remember his interference and decide it is most unwelcome. If the EU is so good for us why is not so good for the USA Fed up with Obama giving his opinion? So the only people that can voice their opinion are the Brits? In this country YES
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Post by Marked Ox on Apr 24, 2016 16:33:58 GMT
Fed up with Obama giving his opinion? So the only people that can voice their opinion are the Brits? In this country YES But it affects them and US businesses, albeit in a small way so he is entitled to give a view on it. Edit: Latest report I've seen on Obama's comments: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36120808
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Post by The Fence End on Apr 24, 2016 17:43:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 17:48:02 GMT
Obama shouldn't get involved to the extent he is. How would the USA like it if Cameron said he favoured Trump over Clinton? For Obama to suggest we would go to the back of the queue in trade deals with them, what utter tripe!! Happy with Obama to give his opinion, but what an overbearing individual he is. How about we suggest USA join a union with Chile or Mexico and free movement of labour, maybe unify their currency with South American currencies. I bet we would be told to sling their hook. Is the UK really not good enough to negotiate its own trade deals?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 24, 2016 18:01:01 GMT
That's different though. Obama's comments are based on knowledge of how US businesses will react to a Brexit. The article you quote is the gut reaction of US citizens, most of whom have no knowledge of how US businesses might react. It's uninformed rhetoric, similar to a lot of the comments bleated out in this country.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 24, 2016 18:01:02 GMT
Obama scaremongering, he could deal with us just hasn't got to be the EU, But that would be the yanks being dicks for not looking to trade with us.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 24, 2016 18:04:44 GMT
Obama shouldn't get involved to the extent he is. How would the USA like it if Cameron said he favoured Trump over Clinton? For Obama to suggest we would go to the back of the queue in trade deals with them, what utter tripe!!Happy with Obama to give his opinion, but what an overbearing individual he is. How about we suggest USA join a union with Chile or Mexico and free movement of labour, maybe unify their currency with South American currencies. I bet we would be told to sling their hook. Is the UK really not good enough to negotiate its own trade deals? How do you know it's tripe? On what do you based your contention? Are you better informed about how US businesses will react than those advising Obama? Many of the reactions of yourself, Bazzer and others are emotional rather than rational. Back up some of your comments with facts and you might be taken more seriously. Despite what you might think, I'm undecided on Brexit, but there seem to be more well-argued points on the 'remain' side.
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Post by Marked Ox on Apr 24, 2016 18:12:09 GMT
I'll take a single poll with a pinch of salt either way with a pinch of salt, especially after the last General Election. I was only really making the point that he had a right to say what he did. And then spotted his further comments so linked them.
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Post by Marked Ox on Apr 24, 2016 18:22:02 GMT
Obama scaremongering, he could deal with us just hasn't got to be the EU, But that would be the yanks being dicks for not looking to trade with us. It isn't scaremongering it is his opinion which he is entitled to give. Quite reasonably, he is saying the US's priority will be negotiating with the EU, which would be a far, far bigger market. They may well already be negotiating with other Countries now as well so as they've started they will be the priority. Also, 'up to 10 years' wouldn't be an unreasonable estimate for the timeframe, considering Canada/EU negotiations for a trade deal (including only limited access to the Services Industry) has taken 7 years so far and aren't finished.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 18:52:56 GMT
The reason I think 10 years is tripe, Pete, is that Australia negotiated a major deal with the US in less than ten months. The Brexit campaign is struggling in my view to get their views across, the sovereignty case needs to be put across better. Are we getting value for money? Why haven't the accounts of the EU been signed off for decades? I also have a feeling news about the refugee crisis in the EU has been withheld and will only be reduced after the referendum. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in Germany when Herr Merkel meets Obama
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 24, 2016 19:17:08 GMT
The reason I think 10 years is tripe, Pete, is that Australia negotiated a major deal with the US in less than ten months. The Brexit campaign is struggling in my view to get their views across, the sovereignty case needs to be put across better. Are we getting value for money? Why haven't the accounts of the EU been signed off for decades? I also have a feeling news about the refugee crisis in the EU has been withheld and will only be reduced after the referendum. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in Germany when Herr Merkel meets Obama Good to see some substance to your points, but the Australian example is vague, to say the least. What deal was this, and was it really 'major'? Presumably you could give us more details. Value for money issues are valid, in my opinion, as are concerns about EU accounts. Not sure what refugee issues you're referring to though. Who's withholding what from whom? All a bit conspiratorial?
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Post by flean on Apr 24, 2016 19:26:19 GMT
The reason I think 10 years is tripe, Pete, is that Australia negotiated a major deal with the US in less than ten months. The Brexit campaign is struggling in my view to get their views across, the sovereignty case needs to be put across better. Are we getting value for money? Why haven't the accounts of the EU been signed off for decades? I also have a feeling news about the refugee crisis in the EU has been withheld and will only be reduced after the referendum. I'd like to be a fly on the wall in Germany when Herr Merkel meets Obama I know you hate everything European, Pete, but Herr Merkel? haha
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 24, 2016 21:11:48 GMT
Obama scaremongering, he could deal with us just hasn't got to be the EU, But that would be the yanks being dicks for not looking to trade with us. It isn't scaremongering it is his opinion which he is entitled to give. Quite reasonably, he is saying the US's priority will be negotiating with the EU, which would be a far, far bigger market. They may well already be negotiating with other Countries now as well so as they've started they will be the priority. Also, 'up to 10 years' wouldn't be an unreasonable estimate for the timeframe, considering Canada/EU negotiations for a trade deal (including only limited access to the Services Industry) has taken 7 years so far and aren't finished. Lets wait until the result of the referendum, on here the out ote is winning at the moment it is roughly 50/50 so it will be interesting
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 21:25:52 GMT
Herr Merkel...looks like one rather than Frau. I don't hate anything European...I lived in Spain for three years by choice and have recently been to Budapest, really nice people and was very touched by the tributes to Nicky Winton, who sadly passed away before I got there. I was privileged to enjoy his company twice when he related many stories about the Jewish children he saved from the ghettoes and concentration camps. You're right, Pete, it wasn't a major deal, but deals can be made. I just have a feeling that we might be having a lot more refugees arriving soon. I'm sure if that is the case, Cameron would want that kept quiet
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Post by Gary Baldi on Apr 25, 2016 7:17:37 GMT
The ironic thing with Obama making foreign policy statement is that he has been so leery to do anything re foreign policy in his presidency. I do think his 10 year comment is based on the worst case scenario. He has every right to say it, but people have a right to call it BS if they believe it so. In a similar situation, he'd say no but that is not what the debate is about!
Re refugees, the current piecemeal and slow approach means that the bottle neck will eventually have to be relieved. The EU has shown persistent chronic disorganisation dealing with refugees and when Merkel is lurking, who knows what rash decisions she will make.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 7:47:13 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the Obama Merkel love in
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Post by saddletramp on Apr 25, 2016 8:11:16 GMT
That's different though. Obama's comments are based on knowledge of how US businesses will react to a Brexit. The article you quote is the gut reaction of US citizens, most of whom have no knowledge of how US businesses might react. It's uninformed rhetoric, similar to a lot of the comments bleated out in this country. Is it really "based on his knowledge of how US businesses will react" ? www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4120.htmlThe USA exported $58 BILLION worth of goods to the UK in 2015,is he going to say,"sorry guys,we have no trade deal with the UK,so you cant sell to them anymore" Also if he gets shitty,perhaps we could clamp down on McDonalds,Burger King,Starbucks,Costa coffee etc and get them to pay some tax into OUR coffers.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 25, 2016 8:20:37 GMT
Herr Merkel...looks like one rather than Frau. Oh dear! That hardly advances your case. Making personal remarks about a world leader's appearance?
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Post by saddletramp on Apr 25, 2016 8:34:16 GMT
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Post by juniper on Apr 25, 2016 11:04:59 GMT
I am a pensioner now but spent most of my life working in the EU. Actually it wasn't the EU when I started working there - it was called the EEC - and the country I worked in wasn't even a member of the EEC because it had a military government. In the early '70s Spain, Greece and Portugal were all ruled by the military. But I was able to work in this dictatorship because my employer got me a work permit and residence permit. I also had to spend five minutes every year having a checkup with a doctor to make sure i wasn't carrying any infectious disease or chronic illness. The rubbish put about by those who want to stay in the EU is just that: utter rubbish. If people have a skill they can get a job. I know people who have gone to work in the USA, Australia and New Zealand and these countries are not in the EU.
All nations have a common mutual interest to trade with each other. If we leave the EU we have two years to sort this out and it is in every nation's interest to do so. Are the French going to refuse to sell us their wine and cheese. Of course not. Trading agreements will come.
The Remainians say we don't know what our country will be like if we leave. True to some extent. But we do know what it will be like if we stay in the EU. More immigration, not enough houses being built, kids in classrooms who don't speak English, and longer waiting lists for hospitals. And the EU is heading for closer political union (as was the intention when it was founded) and those who are not in this and do not use the euro will be second class Europeans.
Even those politicians and journalists who want to stay in say they will vote to do so 'reluctantly' and go on about trying to change the EU from within. The EU is not going to change for the better.
I shall be voting to leave.
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Post by maddogmickey on Apr 25, 2016 11:51:29 GMT
The current US presidential elections will invariably have an impact on the UK.
On Obama's logic therefore our PM can go to the US and start 'giving his opinion' on who the winner ought to be? Start warning as to Hillary being 'bad for business' and warning them with menaces as to what we will do if they choose the wrong person for the job.
It does demonstrate that we actually do have a special relationship with the US though. To so humiliatingly and publically debase his office on the request of our prime minister shows what tremendous clout we do have on the world stage - which kinda contradicts the point Obama was trying to make really!
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