|
Post by scotters on Mar 15, 2016 21:23:27 GMT
Good reason to turn down any application to the EU. Before long Morocco and Tunisia will be applying along with Libya and Tanzania That's Africa again - check the atlas ;-)
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 21:32:56 GMT
IT is but I bet they get accepted
|
|
|
Post by scotters on Mar 15, 2016 21:53:01 GMT
Yes I'm sure Tanzania is about to join the EU. How's project fear going again...?
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 22:04:59 GMT
Spoken in jest...never going to happen is it. Turkey on the other hand might....not so sure they would be a good addition to the EU
|
|
|
Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 16, 2016 9:19:38 GMT
There are many valid concerns whenever a new country joins the EU. Turkey in particular have some open issues, in the same way the Ukraine would do. One of the bigger issues is the open borders to the East and the lack of democracy for the country - a critical newspaper being taken over by the govt is a good example. The biggest issue is Merkel once again playing her version of naive politics and trying to expedite their application. Lets face it, her judgement is as flawed as the rest of us and I do not trust her one bit. People seem too afraid to stand up to her.
|
|
|
Post by oufcyellows on Mar 16, 2016 10:59:21 GMT
|
|
|
Post by bazzer9461 on Mar 16, 2016 11:17:30 GMT
What a f*cking pair of knbs
|
|
|
Post by dannyc on Mar 17, 2016 15:03:29 GMT
seems like the out vote is winning hopefully a true reflection come the real vote .
|
|
|
Post by flean on Mar 17, 2016 19:30:22 GMT
Sharing an opinion with Danny C should be an eye opener for 26 people
|
|
|
Post by holdsteady on Mar 17, 2016 19:51:44 GMT
Sharing an opinion with Danny C should be an eye opener for 26 people Sharing an opinion with Jeremy Clarkson ain't much of an improvement so I will stick with my out vote.
|
|
|
Post by flean on Mar 19, 2016 13:33:11 GMT
Sharing an opinion with Danny C should be an eye opener for 26 people Sharing an opinion with Jeremy Clarkson ain't much of an improvement so I will stick with my out vote. Good point!
|
|
|
Post by Yellow River on Mar 21, 2016 9:33:12 GMT
Currently the yellows forum straw poll stands at - Leave 56%, Remain 44%. An interesting poll but I wonder how representative of the overall UK that is?
My gut feeling is that a sizable percentage of women will vote to remain, and women in general do not post on football message boards. However those that want change (ie to leave) are probably more motivated to actually vote and those that are happy to see things stay as they are less likely to get down the polling station and vote.
Add to the mix a Tory party that is split down the middle, with in-fighting, resignations and another Budget shambles. Interesting times.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 9:53:37 GMT
The problem for the out campaign is that persuading voters to step into the 'uncertainties of the outside' is going to be a challenge. People do not like change and will talk about its better the devil you know. The reality is the devil we thought we knew is a life inside an undemocratic Union, where the views of our country seem to count for little. Laws are passed in the EU that we can't contest. The European Parliament is a rubber stamping regime that acts for the commissioners who tell them what to do. The reality is that if we manga to extricate ourselves from this superstate it will take take several years before the mess is finally disentangled
|
|
|
Post by minime on Apr 7, 2016 19:42:24 GMT
out the stay in people are the ones who benefit financially by staying in and the rich most people voting out are the poorest in society . Really? Those voting out will tend to be Tory supporters and those voting in will tend to be Labour. So as labour tend to be working class, the homeless, unemployed and disabled - basically those who aint got a pot to p*ss in, do you want to rethink your post?
|
|
|
Post by Yellow River on Apr 13, 2016 7:39:53 GMT
If like me you have just received HM Government's leaflet and you disagree with David Cameron that spending 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money on pro EU propaganda is money well spent, then either return to sender c/o No 10 Downing Street, London, or as I have done post to ;-
FREEPOST RSBB - XRZT - ZTXE, The Conservative Party Foundation, 30, Millbank London, SW1P 4DP.
I did add a little note saying that I thought 9.5 million pounds would be better spent on treating cancer patients in the NHS.
|
|
|
Post by Marked Ox on Apr 13, 2016 11:42:46 GMT
If like me you have just received HM Government's leaflet and you disagree with David Cameron that spending 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money on pro EU propaganda is money well spent, then either return to sender c/o No 10 Downing Street, London, or as I have done post to ;- FREEPOST RSBB - XRZT - ZTXE, The Conservative Party Foundation, 30, Millbank London, SW1P 4DP. I did add a little note saying that I thought 9.5 million pounds would be better spent on treating cancer patients in the NHS. If you agree do you send a letter congratulating them on a good idea?
|
|
|
Post by whingit on Apr 13, 2016 11:46:09 GMT
If like me you have just received HM Government's leaflet and you disagree with David Cameron that spending 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money on pro EU propaganda is money well spent, then either return to sender c/o No 10 Downing Street, London, or as I have done post to ;- FREEPOST RSBB - XRZT - ZTXE, The Conservative Party Foundation, 30, Millbank London, SW1P 4DP. I did add a little note saying that I thought 9.5 million pounds would be better spent on treating cancer patients in the NHS. Are you going to do the same thing when the out campaign's taxpayer funded piece of propaganda is posted, too?
|
|
|
Post by Yellow River on Apr 13, 2016 12:50:30 GMT
If like me you have just received HM Government's leaflet and you disagree with David Cameron that spending 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money on pro EU propaganda is money well spent, then either return to sender c/o No 10 Downing Street, London, or as I have done post to ;- FREEPOST RSBB - XRZT - ZTXE, The Conservative Party Foundation, 30, Millbank London, SW1P 4DP. I did add a little note saying that I thought 9.5 million pounds would be better spent on treating cancer patients in the NHS. If you agree do you send a letter congratulating them on a good idea? That's up to you, personally I think 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money should not be spent on a propaganda leaflet, if there's 9.5 million pounds kicking around then it would be much better spent on the NHS.
|
|
|
Post by Yellow River on Apr 13, 2016 12:53:32 GMT
If like me you have just received HM Government's leaflet and you disagree with David Cameron that spending 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money on pro EU propaganda is money well spent, then either return to sender c/o No 10 Downing Street, London, or as I have done post to ;- FREEPOST RSBB - XRZT - ZTXE, The Conservative Party Foundation, 30, Millbank London, SW1P 4DP. I did add a little note saying that I thought 9.5 million pounds would be better spent on treating cancer patients in the NHS. Are you going to do the same thing when the out campaign's taxpayer funded piece of propaganda is posted, too? If the leave campaign is funded to the tune of 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money, then yes absolutely.
|
|
|
Post by Marked Ox on Apr 13, 2016 14:15:11 GMT
Are you going to do the same thing when the out campaign's taxpayer funded piece of propaganda is posted, too? If the leave campaign is funded to the tune of 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money, then yes absolutely. They screwed up by failing to give the arguments of both campaigns and then giving the Govt's position. That said, the Govt has a right to put across its official position. The Brexit campaign has been running for years with £millions spent on it. Virtually all of the last European elections was full of UKIP talking about it and then the last General Election. A question: Why do the Brexiters get so angry about minutiae (and it is) like this, but don't seem so vocal on promoting a coherent and plausible vision of what the UK would look like outside of the EU? This 'issue' just seems like more of the same loud, empty complaining that followed Mark Carney's comments.
|
|
|
Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 13, 2016 15:31:37 GMT
If you agree do you send a letter congratulating them on a good idea? That's up to you, personally I think 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money should not be spent on a propaganda leaflet, if there's 9.5 million pounds kicking around then it would be much better spent on the NHS. What do you feel about Trident? That amount would make a difference.
|
|
|
Post by Yellow River on Apr 13, 2016 16:31:28 GMT
That's up to you, personally I think 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money should not be spent on a propaganda leaflet, if there's 9.5 million pounds kicking around then it would be much better spent on the NHS. What do you feel about Trident? That amount would make a difference. Perhaps we need a separate thread for the Trident debate.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 7:48:56 GMT
I have sent mine to Conservative HQ...they can pay the postage as they are the ones who funded the Pro EU leaflet in the first place.
|
|
|
Post by saddletramp on Apr 14, 2016 11:07:01 GMT
If the leave campaign is funded to the tune of 9.5 million pounds of Tax Payer's money, then yes absolutely. They screwed up by failing to give the arguments of both campaigns and then giving the Govt's position. That said, the Govt has a right to put across its official position. The Brexit campaign has been running for years with £millions spent on it. Virtually all of the last European elections was full of UKIP talking about it and then the last General Election. A question: Why do the Brexiters get so angry about minutiae (and it is) like this, but don't seem so vocal on promoting a coherent and plausible vision of what the UK would look like outside of the EU? This 'issue' just seems like more of the same loud, empty complaining that followed Mark Carney's comments. "The Brexit campaign has been running for years with £millions spent on it" Yes but not with my and any other taxpayers money. What will it look like outside ? Why not ask the Chinese,Australians,Americans or the 85% of the worlds population that isn't in the EU ? Pretty sure its not a post apocolypse wasteland out there. I was in the Doctors surgery yesterday,a non English speaking man was registering at Wantages already overloaded Health centre,he had with him a Social Services interpreter,hopefully when we are outside Europe it wont look like that. It was announced yesterday that the largest number of job seeking EU migrants entering the UK,do not come from Eastern Europe,but Italy,Spain and Portugal. If the only way to guarantee jobs is staying in the EU,why are so many Spanish coming over here ? Oh yeah,unemployment for the under 25s is 50% in Spain,being in Europe aint doing them that much good. I dont know if we will vote out or in,its a close call,but i'm damned sure if we vote out,we wont be the last.
|
|
|
Post by Marked Ox on Apr 14, 2016 12:25:54 GMT
They screwed up by failing to give the arguments of both campaigns and then giving the Govt's position. That said, the Govt has a right to put across its official position. The Brexit campaign has been running for years with £millions spent on it. Virtually all of the last European elections was full of UKIP talking about it and then the last General Election. A question: Why do the Brexiters get so angry about minutiae (and it is) like this, but don't seem so vocal on promoting a coherent and plausible vision of what the UK would look like outside of the EU? This 'issue' just seems like more of the same loud, empty complaining that followed Mark Carney's comments. "The Brexit campaign has been running for years with £millions spent on it" Yes but not with my and any other taxpayers money. What will it look like outside ? Why not ask the Chinese,Australians,Americans or the 85% of the worlds population that isn't in the EU ? Pretty sure its not a post apocolypse wasteland out there. I was in the Doctors surgery yesterday,a non English speaking man was registering at Wantages already overloaded Health centre,he had with him a Social Services interpreter,hopefully when we are outside Europe it wont look like that. It was announced yesterday that the largest number of job seeking EU migrants entering the UK,do not come from Eastern Europe,but Italy,Spain and Portugal. If the only way to guarantee jobs is staying in the EU,why are so many Spanish coming over here ? Oh yeah,unemployment for the under 25s is 50% in Spain,being in Europe aint doing them that much good. I dont know if we will vote out or in,its a close call,but i'm damned sure if we vote out,we wont be the last. You still haven't answered why the Brexiters get so angry about minutiae or why the campaign isn't loudly banging the drum offering a coherent and plausible view of what the UK would look like. Your argument about after is basically an anecdote/foreigners nicking our jobs/using our services and economies grown independently (not directly linked with 44% of their exports) of the EU as a guide. Basically, that 'things will be alright' without a clear approach to get there. Your argument sounds very similar to the SNP Scottish independence argument using Oil, that would have gone well if they'd succeeded! As an aside, a lot of Spanish and Portuguese nurses came to work in the NHS and they are needed. The ones I've met were fantastic and spoke pretty decent english. How about the Brexit campaign put out a clear plan on how they would negotiate trade deals, and realistically* how long they expect the negotiations to last, with the countries that we have access to under existing EU trade deals? *Greenland took 3 years to negotiate a trade deal with the EEC and they had 1 major issue. We would have a vastly more complicated trade deal, with many major issues, to negotiate and only 2 years until access to the free market is closed, unless all EU countries agree to keep it open (that's a lot risk).
|
|
|
Post by whingit on Apr 22, 2016 17:15:49 GMT
|
|
|
Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 22, 2016 20:06:05 GMT
I think Barrack Obama should keep his nose out of our affairs, Trying the blackmail tactics by saying we would be the last to do trade deals with f*ck the yanks
|
|
|
Post by Pete Burrett on Apr 22, 2016 20:09:30 GMT
I think Barrack Obama should keep his nose out of our affairs, Trying the blackmail tactics by saying we would be the last to do trade deals with f*ck the yanks Or maybe, rather than sticking his nose into our affairs, he's just stating facts. It makes sense for the US to deal with a large trading bloc like the EU, rather than striking up individual deals. I don't see 'blackmail' in what he's said, just a lot of realism. Is it just 'f*ck the yanks', or 'f*ck all of those foreigners'?
|
|
|
Post by oufcyellows on Apr 22, 2016 20:14:06 GMT
|
|
|
Post by whingit on Apr 22, 2016 21:25:51 GMT
Obama has a duty to tell us what Brexit would mean for UK-US relations. Nobody moaned and whinged when he weighed in on the Scotish referendum.
|
|