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Post by ian on Sept 20, 2017 12:35:45 GMT
I think you're getting gloating mixed up with pointing out facts. The Facts are clear to see. The pound has lost a lot of value, there will be job losses in the short term. Who knows what it'll be like in 10 years. Things like the European health card and free movement will be over (if the govt decides on leaving the single market.) that is not gloating. Now, wishing a whole project to fail (Basham has stated that on numerous occasions and Peter has hinted at it) is not stating facts, it's wishing Ill. If you state facts while nearly pissing yourself with excitement I think it's gloating. 'Gloating' because he is stating facts, whereas others keep on repeating lies and fantasies?
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Post by ian on Sept 20, 2017 12:42:14 GMT
I would take the hard Brexit option. I hope other countries see the light and seek out if the EU permits it. I don't like the UK paying out to the EU continually when we should decide where it goes. As for us having no say in running EU, we don't, never have and never will .nearly always voted 28-1 against us How can you sit there and write such total nonsense? Are you really that extreme of thick? We have MEPs, our government has a vote too... Where money generated by the taxation of the City of London is spent is determined by consensus, with British politicians (and experts) having a very strong say.
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Post by ian on Sept 20, 2017 12:53:27 GMT
In the event of a Hard-Brexit we could do a deal with India and hope to build Tata Motors in UK?! Why would India want to do a deal with the UK? Indian's don't particularly like us due to our past exploitation of them... India is a huge market, where the Germans are already strongly participating. They have no need for us. They're much more interested in working with the EU - And probably have the capacity to sink both our carriers. Nonsense on top of nonsense. It's about time that stupid comments over the EU and India were shut down, and those stupid enough to continue to make them publicly identified as the idiots they are. I know a few Indian's who'd be happy to correct their warped opinions in history. People are proud to show their lack of knowledge, when they should be ashamed and trying to learn more about the world around them than posting their stupid opinions and fantasies. We get the government we deserve... Given the stupidity of many in the electorate, no wonder we have so many dim and dishonest politicians.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 6:48:21 GMT
Ian I'm surprised you are taken in by the drivel that we have much of a say in running the EU. Already we are seeing plans for a more centralised union so that we have less say. The people voted to leave Ian's they too are not thick. The pro lobby lost the argument and we move on. As to Indian trade, why not. I have many Indian friends and they would welcome trade and don't hold grudges like some think. We should welcome the opportunity to trade with everyone rather than the restrictive trading block that is the EU. As to a second referendum why? If the vote is to stay in do we then have a third one to make it 2-1?
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Post by tonyw on Sept 21, 2017 17:56:51 GMT
As to Indian trade, why not. I have many Indian friends and they would welcome trade and don't hold grudges like some think. I think the main reason is that Britain has recently tightened visa regulations for Indian students hoping to come to Britain. Highly likely that India would push for a greater liberalisation of that visa regime to be part of any trade deal. Given that the entire Brexit argument, and May's immigration policy, has been about bringing down net migration into the UK - hard to imagine the UK wanting to ease that; and hard to imagine India accepting a deal without it. Earlier this year, the Indian government actually allowed a bilateral investment treaty with the UK to lapse, so the indications aren't good. Plus, the Indian economy is continuing to grow at a pace, and very little of that is due to trade with Britain. India would be in, by far, the stronger position in any trade negotiations with a post-Brexit Britain. There's not a whole lot that Britain produces that they want - they've been very reluctant to liberalise the sectors of the financial services industry in which Britain excels - and in total (if you believe the FT) Britain last year exported less in total to India than we did to Sweden.
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