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Post by trainingcone on Mar 14, 2016 11:36:58 GMT
Straw poll on staying in or leave the EU.
ESB: Poll reopened, results from initial poll:
Vote as of 19th May
Leave 32 - %56.14
Stay 25 – 43.86%
Total 57
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Post by bashamwonderland on Mar 14, 2016 12:15:17 GMT
I assume 'no' means Out and 'yes' means In
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Post by m on Mar 14, 2016 12:29:22 GMT
Clarity needed!
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Post by trainingcone on Mar 14, 2016 13:06:05 GMT
Sorry, I've changed the Poll.
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Post by dannyc on Mar 14, 2016 13:54:29 GMT
out the stay in people are the ones who benefit financially by staying in and the rich most people voting out are the poorest in society .
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Post by helsinkiyellow on Mar 14, 2016 14:09:42 GMT
I will vote 'IN' just to null and void dannyc's vote.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Mar 14, 2016 14:32:00 GMT
I shall vote out just to null and voidify helsinkiyellows vote. Can't have people with an education ganging up on dannyc.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Mar 14, 2016 14:32:34 GMT
Doh! I voted in by mistake.
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Post by dannyc on Mar 14, 2016 14:43:57 GMT
I will vote 'IN' just to null and void dannyc's vote. how sad you are then im glad the majority vote will be alot closer than on this forum
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Mar 14, 2016 15:08:47 GMT
out the stay in people are the ones who benefit financially by staying in and the rich most people voting out are the poorest in society . Same with Donald Trump's redneck supporters.
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Post by SteMerritt on Mar 14, 2016 15:13:13 GMT
and the rich most people voting out are the poorest in society . Eh? If ever there was a sentence that proved the importance of punctuation, this was it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 15:15:49 GMT
Out out out
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Post by Yellow River on Mar 14, 2016 15:21:43 GMT
I like Europe, it's a great continent, great countries and great people, but I don't like the EU much.
The EU is a political project, the end game is a federal Europe, a United States of Europe if you like. The EU commission is not elected, it's undemocratic and not accountable to the electorate.
Cameron promised fundamental change, he didn't get it in my view. He was never going to get it, his 'negotiations' were a sham. The EU does not want fundamental change. If we vote to stay the UK will not be able to stop the inevitable march to a federal Europe and we (the UK) will be dragged along with it.
I do however think we will vote to stay, and I perfectly understand why a 30 something year old man working in a car factory with 2 small children, a wife on a zero hour contract, and a 200K mortgage would be worried about his job and looking after his family. Project Fear will make sure he's very fearful too. People are always scared of change.
Britain is a great country, we're perfectly capable of governing ourselves, if we leave the EU we will still make and sell cars to Europe, we will still buy BMW's from Germany and Renaults from France, we will still trade with Europe as we do now with the rest of the world and the Commonwealth. I just do not believe all the negative doom-mongerers who think that we're not capable of being prosperous country without being part of the EU project.
We don't need an unelected, non-democratic, non-accountable EU commission passing laws onto us. I believe if we vote to stay in we will eventually become part of a federal Europe and I don't want that for our country.
I'll vote to leave.
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Post by essexyellows on Mar 14, 2016 15:21:49 GMT
Out. Our last referendum was for a Common Market...not an un-elected faceless bureaucracy leeching money from the UK to increase others standard of living and decreasing ours. One size will NEVER fit all.
Trouble is if we leave the whole ponzi scheme will collapse.
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Post by sihath on Mar 14, 2016 16:35:24 GMT
and the rich most people voting out are the poorest in society . Eh? If ever there was a sentence that proved the importance of punctuation, this was it. I blame the EU. They banned our good old British commas and replaced them with umlauts! A good reason to vote oüt!
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Mar 14, 2016 16:55:27 GMT
In for me. Although I am not a fan (by any means) of the faceless bureaucracy, financial fog and (especially) the federal europe project. I think that trade, business, security, international relations and personal freedoms are better served with us in. In any argument that has Nigel Farage on one side and Stephen Hawking on the other, I know where my vote is going
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Post by essexyellows on Mar 14, 2016 17:10:42 GMT
Trade? We managed fine before & will again. They need us more than we need them. Business? There will still be business done globally in or out. Security? NATO isn`t the EU & control of who comes in and leaves will be better controlled. International relations.... I would argue the world was better when more of the globe was pink! Personal freedoms ?? I doubt the EU provides any tangible benefit on that front that we never had already.
Don`t give in to fear mongering.... this country can stand on its own two feet providing quality, high tech goods & services to the world.
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Post by scotters on Mar 14, 2016 17:36:35 GMT
In for me... this country has improved massively in the past 50 years or so, as a part of a uniting Europe. It's a shrinking world and trying to turn the clock back is only going to make the UK weaker, isolated and more irrelevant.
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Post by tonyw on Mar 14, 2016 17:36:54 GMT
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Post by whingit on Mar 14, 2016 22:36:06 GMT
out the stay in people are the ones who benefit financially by staying in and the rich most people voting out are the poorest in society .Although this is a statement plucked out of thin air, could it be because some people like to have something to blame for their failures rather than taking responsibility for themselves?
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Post by bashamwonderland on Mar 14, 2016 23:26:12 GMT
Probably owes his neighbour Cameron a favour
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Mar 15, 2016 8:24:32 GMT
I think the current voting on here (which is 50/50 as near as dammit) is going to be reflected in the referendum itself. Most people can see reasons both to remain in and to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 8:27:39 GMT
An American general states our position within NATO will be endangered if we exit. Pure and utter tripe. Dirty tricks department run by Cameron and his cronies again
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Post by oufcyellows on Mar 15, 2016 8:33:15 GMT
An American general states our position within NATO will be endangered if we exit. Pure and utter tripe. Dirty tricks department run by Cameron and his cronies again Not sure Cameron has the power to instruct American generals but probably Obama as he wants us to stay
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Post by dannyc on Mar 15, 2016 8:46:56 GMT
Probably owes his neighbour Cameron a favour for the majority i doubt it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 9:27:57 GMT
I see now Cameron is saying prices will rise and job prospects will become uncertain if we leave. Is that not so if we stay in?
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Post by Yellow River on Mar 15, 2016 17:06:29 GMT
We should be very worried about Cameron's continued support for Turkey's EU membership.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 21:03:09 GMT
Couldn't agree more. Is Turkey part of Europe or Africa? Geography not my strongest subject
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Post by whingit on Mar 15, 2016 21:08:03 GMT
Couldn't agree more. Is Turkey part of Europe or Africa? Geography not my strongest subject Both Europe and Asia.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 21:12:45 GMT
Good reason to turn down any application to the EU. Before long Morocco and Tunisia will be applying along with Libya and Tanzania
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