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Post by SteMerritt on Oct 19, 2011 12:54:09 GMT
£30M bid from Real Madrid for Hernandez. As it's Real, that means he is worth about £20 - £25M. What bizarre logic. His value is determined by 1 thing only, that is how much it would take to make Man Utd sell him. I presume this 'bid' was turned down? Then he is worth more than £30M.
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Post by moobs on Oct 19, 2011 12:56:36 GMT
£30M bid from Real Madrid for Hernandez. As it's Real, that means he is worth about £20 - £25M. What bizarre logic. His value is determined by 1 thing only, that is how much it would take to make Man Utd sell him. I presume this 'bid' was turned down? Then he is worth more than £30M. Is Andy Carroll worth £35M?
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Post by baldy on Oct 19, 2011 12:56:58 GMT
There you go, another reporting it. Thats not where I read it but it shows that what I am saying is not just made up rubbish. I'm at Old Trafford for the game on Sunday - can't wait, could be a title decider !
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Post by baldy on Oct 19, 2011 12:59:39 GMT
What bizarre logic. His value is determined by 1 thing only, that is how much it would take to make Man Utd sell him. I presume this 'bid' was turned down? Then he is worth more than £30M. Is Andy Carroll worth £35M? Quite obviously yes because that is what Liverpool paid for him !
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Post by SteMerritt on Oct 19, 2011 13:00:44 GMT
What bizarre logic. His value is determined by 1 thing only, that is how much it would take to make Man Utd sell him. I presume this 'bid' was turned down? Then he is worth more than £30M. Is Andy Carroll worth £35M? That's what it took to sign him, so that was his value. Is he worth it in my opinion? That's a different question. I think 'no'. Liverpool, at that time, thought 'yes'.
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Post by junior1 on Oct 19, 2011 13:23:22 GMT
Hernandez has also netted against holland...
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Post by sihath on Oct 19, 2011 13:48:25 GMT
Hernandez has also netted against holland... Correct. In a friendly. But he's not scored against Germany, Brazil or Italy like Baldy claimed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 13:48:29 GMT
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Post by Boogaloo on Oct 19, 2011 14:18:05 GMT
There you go, another reporting it. Thats not where I read it but it shows that what I am saying is not just made up rubbish. I'm at Old Trafford for the game on Sunday - can't wait, could be a title decider ! Okay I take it all back. Please accept my humblest apologies. How wrong Iwas to doubt you. The ever reliable source that is the Sun has reported that Real have offered £30million.... ...oh hang on a minute:- I'm putting forward a totally plausible opinion and when you consider Real Madrid have been monitoring Hernandez with a view to a £45m bid then that opinion is well backed. When was the last time you read about one of the global clubs tracking RVP to the tune of £45m ? Not quite £45million is it? Moving the goalposts again Baldy?
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Post by junior1 on Oct 19, 2011 14:32:24 GMT
To be fair a club will never open negotiations with a massive bid. They'll always test the water with a bid well below the amount they would be willing to go to.
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Post by baldy on Oct 19, 2011 14:34:15 GMT
Hernandez has also netted against holland... Correct. In a friendly. But he's not scored against Germany, Brazil or Italy like Baldy claimed. Whats that got to do with it ? Don't they try in friendlies ?
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Post by sihath on Oct 19, 2011 18:31:13 GMT
Correct. In a friendly. But he's not scored against Germany, Brazil or Italy like Baldy claimed. Whats that got to do with it ? Don't they try in friendlies ? I was pointing out that the goal he scored against Holland was in a friendly. You were claiming, and I quote: Hernandez scores massive goals in the context of the importance of the fixture.and he's notched against practically every single one of the worlds eliteThe fact is he's scored against Argentina and France at the last world cup and Holland in a friendly. Hardly practically every single one of the world's elite is it?
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Post by junior1 on Oct 19, 2011 18:36:32 GMT
Don't forget Spain
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Post by sihath on Oct 19, 2011 18:49:00 GMT
I'm knocking Spain off the list, seeing as how Baldy added Germany, Italy and Brazil even though he didn't actually score against them. He did score in the warm up v Brazil, so does that count as half?
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Oct 27, 2011 12:55:47 GMT
in contract talks with arsenal according to bbc sport. What a boost that could be for Arsenal.
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Post by sihath on Oct 27, 2011 13:54:39 GMT
in contract talks with arsenal according to bbc sport. What a boost that could be for Arsenal. Why would it be a boost. He doesn't score any goals. And if he does they are against no one of any importance.
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Post by junior1 on Oct 27, 2011 14:00:12 GMT
He's gotta sign it first and arsenal being arsenal. Don't pay big wages. Will he take 80k a week?
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Post by Aussie Yellow on Oct 27, 2011 14:40:24 GMT
Correct. In a friendly. But he's not scored against Germany, Brazil or Italy like Baldy claimed. Whats that got to do with it ? Don't they try in friendlies ? It's not whether they are trying, it is the strength of the starting line-up the top nations play in a friendly game. Neither Holland or Spain had their best line-up against Mexico (Spain was second or third string line-up). It would be like claiming Beano is as good as a number of Premiership strikers because he scored a goal against Everton in our pre-season friendly...
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Post by moobs on Oct 27, 2011 21:56:58 GMT
He's gotta sign it first and arsenal being arsenal. Don't pay big wages. Will he take 80k a week? With some players it's not just about money, you shouldn't tar all players with the same brush. If van Persie was a greedy mercenary like Nasri / Rooney / Tevez he would have made signals about a move but I feel van Persie is a player motivated by football not money. Look at what's happened to Adebayor and Toure, even Nasri is just clicking his heels on the bench at the moment.
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Post by baldy on Oct 27, 2011 22:20:30 GMT
He's gotta sign it first and arsenal being arsenal. Don't pay big wages. Will he take 80k a week? With some players it's not just about money, you shouldn't tar all players with the same brush. If van Persie was a greedy mercenary like Nasri / Rooney / Tevez he would have made signals about a move but I feel van Persie is a player motivated by football not money. Look at what's happened to Adebayor and Toure, even Nasri is just clicking his heels on the bench at the moment. I don't understand your logic. If he's motivated by football then surely he would be looking to join a football club who are successful. Are you suggesting he's not bothered about trophies but more about just enjoying the game ? If so then he is short changing the fans who pay his wages - they want success.
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Post by moobs on Oct 27, 2011 23:10:30 GMT
With some players it's not just about money, you shouldn't tar all players with the same brush. If van Persie was a greedy mercenary like Nasri / Rooney / Tevez he would have made signals about a move but I feel van Persie is a player motivated by football not money. Look at what's happened to Adebayor and Toure, even Nasri is just clicking his heels on the bench at the moment. I don't understand your logic. If he's motivated by football then surely he would be looking to join a football club who are successful. Are you suggesting he's not bothered about trophies but more about just enjoying the game ? If so then he is short changing the fans who pay his wages - they want success. He's enjoying is football at Arsenal, he is loved by the fans, club captain. He's a big part of a big club and is settled. Doesn't matter what Man City go on and win Arsenal will always be a bigger club with a richer history. Arsenal gave him his chance when he was plucked as a young unknown and he is staying loyal. I know that's a strange concept for Manchester clubs to understand but there's some things money cannot buy. Look at Tevez, yeah he's on megabucks but is he happy? No, he's very unhappy and footballers have very short careers, he could waste the rest of his football career, years he'll never get back and no amount of money can replace that....
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Post by junior1 on Oct 28, 2011 0:01:47 GMT
Didn't you say the same about cesc?
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Post by baldy on Oct 28, 2011 8:15:44 GMT
Its simple with RVP, it will be his last contract of note and he will be demanding mega money from Arsenal. Its delusional to think that he 'loves' the club and will just sign for a package that stays within their pay structure. He will either blow that apart or go which sort of goes against moobs' idealistic little theory that the likes of Fabregas, Nasri and RVP love his club so much that the joy of playing for a team who's seasonal highlight is a scrap for 4th place far outweights an extra £100,000 a week.
I will guarantee you one thing - if City offer him £200,000 a week and Arsenal a relatively paltry £90,000 then there is only one place he plays his football and it sure isn't The Emirates.
Personally I don't think he will be wanted by either the big two or Chelsea. Age is against him, consistency has always been iffy with him and he has a poor injury record.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 9:00:39 GMT
I will guarantee you one thing - if City offer him £200,000 a week and Arsenal a relatively paltry £90,000 then there is only one place he plays his football and it sure isn't The Emirates. Well it is pretty much guaranteed that Man City WILL offer that kind of money. They have shown in the past that if there is a chance of taking one of their rivals big players they will. Obviously none of us know whether he will stay loyal to Arsenal or go for a big payday, but as usually you state your opinion as fact. No of course not maybe if he was more consistent like Rooney... Honestly if Messi played for Arsenal you'd be putting him down, its a bit pathetic really.
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Post by moobs on Oct 28, 2011 10:13:23 GMT
You're right Rooney is consistent....Consistently goes missing in the big matches....
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Post by Boogaloo on Oct 28, 2011 10:32:26 GMT
Exactly. A classic example is Samir Nasri, who according to Baldy was a flash in the pan, snivelling, diving, lightweight player who wears a snood. Although as soon as he appears to be leaving The Emirates and Man Utd take an interest, all of a sudden he is a quality player.
I know people's perceptions of players can change after a few games, but this happened in the summer where Nasri hadn't played any competitive games what-so-ever.
I guess as he signed for Man City, he is now a flash in the pan, snivelling, diving, lightweight player who wears a snood.
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Post by baldy on Oct 28, 2011 10:33:20 GMT
You're right Rooney is consistent....Consistently goes missing in the big matches.... Scored goals in CL semi final at Arsenal, CL quarter final at Chelsea and against Barcelona at Wembley in the CL final. I'm not sure how much bigger matches there are. Scored league winners against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. Oh and don't forget the spectacular bicycle kick in that 1-0 against City last year that wrapped up the title. Perhaps you will give us your definition of 'big matches'.
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Post by sihath on Oct 28, 2011 10:39:09 GMT
You're right Rooney is consistent....Consistently goes missing in the big matches.... Scored goals in CL semi final at Arsenal, CL quarter final at Chelsea and against Barcelona at Wembley in the CL final. I'm not sure how much bigger matches there are. Scored league winners against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. Oh and don't forget the spectacular bicycle kick in that 1-0 against City last year that wrapped up the title. Perhaps you will give us your definition of 'big matches'. Didn't Van Persie score against Barcelona in the CL as well?
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Post by baldy on Oct 28, 2011 10:46:41 GMT
Scored goals in CL semi final at Arsenal, CL quarter final at Chelsea and against Barcelona at Wembley in the CL final. I'm not sure how much bigger matches there are. Scored league winners against Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. Oh and don't forget the spectacular bicycle kick in that 1-0 against City last year that wrapped up the title. Perhaps you will give us your definition of 'big matches'. Didn't Van Persie score against Barcelona in the CL as well? No, I don't think so. Even if he did he certainly hasn't scored goals, crucial goals, in the CL like Rooney has.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 10:58:38 GMT
Haven't we gone through all this? The two players have roughly equal records. You could argue Rooney has scored more crucial goals in the CL, but his failure to perform in big games at international level counts heavily against him.
They are both top strikers, alongside Suarez and Aguero the best in the Premier league currently. We all have our personal opinions but to suggest things like I don't think any of the top 4 would be interested is ridiculous. There is not a top club in the world of football that won't be after van Persie should he fail to sign a new deal.
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