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Post by junior1 on Oct 18, 2011 17:04:28 GMT
Smalling
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 17:28:25 GMT
Behave. Richards all day long
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Post by sihath on Oct 18, 2011 17:40:34 GMT
This is turning into another Sturridge v Welbeck thread.
Two similar players are compared.
Baldy says that one score loads of important goals and the other only scores when it doesn't matter. Facts are then shown which show that to be complete cobblers.
Baldy then disappears.
In this one he claims, and I quote:
Hernandez has scored against Brazil, Germany, France, Argentina, Spain and Italy, a really mpressive array of opponents. RVP has barely scored an international goal of note.
When I point out that Hernandez hasn't actually scored against Brazil, Germany or Italy, he disappears again.
Baldy. One simple question. Why did you claim he had scored against Germany, Brazil and Italy?
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Post by Beav on Oct 18, 2011 17:43:14 GMT
Aah I'm a massive massive Martin Kelly fan. Watch him he's actually class (which leads me to be bias in his favour I suppose).
The list you named (whoever named it) are the best players (with Rafael).
I wouldn't put Sagna in - defensively I'm not convinced.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Oct 18, 2011 17:47:12 GMT
Aah I'm a massive massive Martin Kelly fan. Watch him he's actually class (which leads me to be bias in his favour I suppose). The list you named (whoever named it) are the best players. It's 'biased' not 'bias' you twonk, i thought you were an English student or something! Kelly, like Rafael has great potential but his fitness has looked a bit dodgy so far, maybe just unlucky but in order to be the best at doing anything you have to actually be fit to do it.
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Post by Beav on Oct 18, 2011 17:48:32 GMT
I'm doing English Language end mii spelin iz gr8 btch.
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Post by Beav on Oct 18, 2011 17:49:34 GMT
Any qualms (see LG ) with renaming this thread 'Arsenal v Man U player debate' seeing as it's gone so far off topic?
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Post by unification on Oct 18, 2011 17:49:44 GMT
Aah I'm a massive massive Martin Kelly fan. Watch him he's actually class (which leads me to be bias in his favour I suppose). The list you named (whoever named it) are the best players (with Rafael). I wouldn't put Sagna in - defensively I'm not convinced. I said I wouldn't reply to this thread, but I couldn't resist having a read. With Baldy beating a hasty retreat after a few defeats and everyone ignoring Moobs, the conversation has got normal (well, for the N&I section) again. I'm with you, Beav - I'm a big Martin Kelly fan. The longer Glen Johnson is out for, the better in my eyes. Kelly looks like a really good prospect and one that can take the current crop at Liverpool forward.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Oct 18, 2011 17:54:17 GMT
Any qualms (see LG ) with renaming this thread 'Arsenal v Man U player debate' seeing as it's gone so far off topic? Might as well name every thread in this section 'Arsenal v Man U debate,' its where they all end up sooner or later.
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Post by Young Money on Oct 18, 2011 18:25:33 GMT
Aah I'm a massive massive Martin Kelly fan. Watch him he's actually class (which leads me to be bias in his favour I suppose). The list you named (whoever named it) are the best players (with Rafael). I wouldn't put Sagna in - defensively I'm not convinced. I said I wouldn't reply to this thread, but I couldn't resist having a read. With Baldy beating a hasty retreat after a few defeats and everyone ignoring Moobs, the conversation has got normal (well, for the N&I section) again. I'm with you, Beav - I'm a big Martin Kelly fan. The longer Glen Johnson is out for, the better in my eyes. Kelly looks like a really good prospect and one that can take the current crop at Liverpool forward. Kelly's a quality player with great potential, yes, but if you compare him to other young, english right backs - Richards, Walker, Smalling, P.Jones - I'd have to say that he'd be at the bottom of that list.
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Post by baldy on Oct 18, 2011 19:55:06 GMT
Gary Neville is still the best English right back even now and hes been retired 6 months !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 20:04:16 GMT
Gary Neville is still the best English right back even now and hes been retired 6 months ! No, Warren Barton is.
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Post by moobs on Oct 18, 2011 20:09:00 GMT
How many International caps has Kelly won?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2011 20:11:04 GMT
How many International caps has Kelly won? So Glen Johnson is the best English RB in the PL because he has most caps? There's no competition for that spot in the France side
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Post by baldy on Oct 19, 2011 7:10:14 GMT
This is turning into another Sturridge v Welbeck thread. Two similar players are compared. Baldy says that one score loads of important goals and the other only scores when it doesn't matter. Facts are then shown which show that to be complete cobblers. Baldy then disappears. In this one he claims, and I quote: Hernandez has scored against Brazil, Germany, France, Argentina, Spain and Italy, a really mpressive array of opponents. RVP has barely scored an international goal of note.When I point out that Hernandez hasn't actually scored against Brazil, Germany or Italy, he disappears again. Baldy. One simple question. Why did you claim he had scored against Germany, Brazil and Italy? Disappear ? Me ? Not at all. Hernandez scored a wonder scissor kick goal against Brazil. I understand the match may not have been officially recognised or something like that but it was a sensational goal nevertheless. His 'goal' against Italy may have gone down as an own goal in the record books but he was initially credited with it. I don't know why this thread has turned into one trying to undo my arguement when my initial response was to dismiss the crazy notion from Moobs that RVP is better on his own than the Rooney/Hernandez combination. I'm putting forward a totally plausible opinion and when you consider Real Madrid have been monitoring Hernandez with a view to a £45m bid then that opinion is well backed. When was the last time you read about one of the global clubs tracking RVP to the tune of £45m ?
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Post by baldy on Oct 19, 2011 7:12:21 GMT
Aah I'm a massive massive Martin Kelly fan. Watch him he's actually class (which leads me to be bias in his favour I suppose). The list you named (whoever named it) are the best players (with Rafael). I wouldn't put Sagna in - defensively I'm not convinced. I said I wouldn't reply to this thread, but I couldn't resist having a read. With Baldy beating a hasty retreat after a few defeats and everyone ignoring Moobs, the conversation has got normal (well, for the N&I section) again. I'm with you, Beav - I'm a big Martin Kelly fan. The longer Glen Johnson is out for, the better in my eyes. Kelly looks like a really good prospect and one that can take the current crop at Liverpool forward. Kelly looked alright for five matches last season but hasn't been at all convincing this season. Put it this way he's no Chris Smalling and Smalling is only a makeshift right back.
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Post by sihath on Oct 19, 2011 8:17:11 GMT
This is turning into another Sturridge v Welbeck thread. Two similar players are compared. Baldy says that one score loads of important goals and the other only scores when it doesn't matter. Facts are then shown which show that to be complete cobblers. Baldy then disappears. In this one he claims, and I quote: Hernandez has scored against Brazil, Germany, France, Argentina, Spain and Italy, a really mpressive array of opponents. RVP has barely scored an international goal of note.When I point out that Hernandez hasn't actually scored against Brazil, Germany or Italy, he disappears again. Baldy. One simple question. Why did you claim he had scored against Germany, Brazil and Italy? Disappear ? Me ? Not at all. Hernandez scored a wonder scissor kick goal against Brazil. I understand the match may not have been officially recognised or something like that but it was a sensational goal nevertheless. His 'goal' against Italy may have gone down as an own goal in the record books but he was initially credited with it. I don't know why this thread has turned into one trying to undo my arguement when my initial response was to dismiss the crazy notion from Moobs that RVP is better on his own than the Rooney/Hernandez combination. I'm putting forward a totally plausible opinion and when you consider Real Madrid have been monitoring Hernandez with a view to a £45m bid then that opinion is well backed. When was the last time you read about one of the global clubs tracking RVP to the tune of £45m ? The "wonder goal" was during a warm up before the game kicked off. If you are that desperate that you start including goals scored in the warm up then you really are clutching at straws. I think Hernandez is a great player. Not in doubt. But if you start making claims about players, try and make them slightly factual. What about the Germany "goal". Did he score that on FIFA 12?
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Post by Boogaloo on Oct 19, 2011 8:22:08 GMT
This is turning into another Sturridge v Welbeck thread. Two similar players are compared. Baldy says that one score loads of important goals and the other only scores when it doesn't matter. Facts are then shown which show that to be complete cobblers. Baldy then disappears. In this one he claims, and I quote: Hernandez has scored against Brazil, Germany, France, Argentina, Spain and Italy, a really mpressive array of opponents. RVP has barely scored an international goal of note.When I point out that Hernandez hasn't actually scored against Brazil, Germany or Italy, he disappears again. Baldy. One simple question. Why did you claim he had scored against Germany, Brazil and Italy? Disappear ? Me ? Not at all. Hernandez scored a wonder scissor kick goal against Brazil. I understand the match may not have been officially recognised or something like that but it was a sensational goal nevertheless. His 'goal' against Italy may have gone down as an own goal in the record books but he was initially credited with it. I don't know why this thread has turned into one trying to undo my arguement when my initial response was to dismiss the crazy notion from Moobs that RVP is better on his own than the Rooney/Hernandez combination. I'm putting forward a totally plausible opinion and when you consider Real Madrid have been monitoring Hernandez with a view to a £45m bid then that opinion is well backed. When was the last time you read about one of the global clubs tracking RVP to the tune of £45m ?[/color] More to the point when was the last time ANYBODY on this forum (other than Baldy) have heard anything about Real Madrid offering or considering an offer of £45million for Hernandez? More made up facts by Baldy. Hey here's one for ya - a mate of mine who works at Man City says Manicini is considering a £350million offer for RVP. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2011 9:32:22 GMT
I don't know why this thread has turned into one trying to undo my arguement when my initial response was to dismiss the crazy notion from Moobs that RVP is better on his own than the Rooney/Hernandez combination. I think you and moobs are pretty equal when it comes to crazy notions.. The reason people tend to turn on you more is because you change the criteria to suit your argument, whereas moobs - while his arguments are equally biased, is at least consistent. You've claimed here that international football is "the absolute defining factor - The top tier of the game" to support your arguments in favour of Hernandez, yet this supposed defining factor makes an absolute mockery of your claims that Rooney is second only to Messi as one of the greatest talents of a generation.
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Post by baldy on Oct 19, 2011 11:05:51 GMT
Disappear ? Me ? Not at all. Hernandez scored a wonder scissor kick goal against Brazil. I understand the match may not have been officially recognised or something like that but it was a sensational goal nevertheless. His 'goal' against Italy may have gone down as an own goal in the record books but he was initially credited with it. I don't know why this thread has turned into one trying to undo my arguement when my initial response was to dismiss the crazy notion from Moobs that RVP is better on his own than the Rooney/Hernandez combination. I'm putting forward a totally plausible opinion and when you consider Real Madrid have been monitoring Hernandez with a view to a £45m bid then that opinion is well backed. When was the last time you read about one of the global clubs tracking RVP to the tune of £45m ? The "wonder goal" was during a warm up before the game kicked off.If you are that desperate that you start including goals scored in the warm up then you really are clutching at straws. I think Hernandez is a great player. Not in doubt. But if you start making claims about players, try and make them slightly factual. What about the Germany "goal". Did he score that on FIFA 12? Was it really ! I count count then, I thought it was maybe an U21 game or behind closed doors friendly or something. Ok wipe that off. I may have listed Germany accidentally amongst all the other elite I was reeling off. When are you going to respond about the ridiculously superior international goal scoring records ? You are very selective in banging on about this fact and that fact but seem to go quiet when a hard fact is presented that doesn't suit.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Oct 19, 2011 11:18:51 GMT
The "wonder goal" was during a warm up before the game kicked off.If you are that desperate that you start including goals scored in the warm up then you really are clutching at straws. I think Hernandez is a great player. Not in doubt. But if you start making claims about players, try and make them slightly factual. What about the Germany "goal". Did he score that on FIFA 12? Was it really ! I count count then, I thought it was maybe an U21 game or behind closed doors friendly or something. Ok wipe that off. I may have listed Germany accidentally amongst all the other elite I was reeling off. When are you going to respond about the ridiculously superior international goal scoring records ? You are very selective in banging on about this fact and that fact b ut seem to go quiet when a hard fact is presented that doesn't suit. That's so ironic I have to be setting myself up for a whooosh by commenting on it.
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Post by moobs on Oct 19, 2011 11:20:03 GMT
So in a nutshell, you talk bollox
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Post by sihath on Oct 19, 2011 11:28:34 GMT
The "wonder goal" was during a warm up before the game kicked off.If you are that desperate that you start including goals scored in the warm up then you really are clutching at straws. I think Hernandez is a great player. Not in doubt. But if you start making claims about players, try and make them slightly factual. What about the Germany "goal". Did he score that on FIFA 12? Was it really ! I count count then, I thought it was maybe an U21 game or behind closed doors friendly or something. Ok wipe that off. I may have listed Germany accidentally amongst all the other elite I was reeling off. When are you going to respond about the ridiculously superior international goal scoring records ? You are very selective in banging on about this fact and that fact but seem to go quiet when a hard fact is presented that doesn't suit. I have responded to your claim of a ridiculously superior international goal scoring by showing that you had made most of it up. He has scored aginst France (when they were in complete disarray) at the last WC. And he has scored against Argentina in a 3-1 defeat to Argentina at the WC. The rest of his goals were either in friendlies (Bolivia, Spain, North Korea, Gambia etc. or CONCACAF qualifiers (Honduras, Guatamala, Cuba etc) - mainly "no mark pub teams". Hernandez has scored 9 goals in competitive matches. RVP has scored 16 goals in competitive matches. I have no problem with your opinion that Hernandez is a better striker/finisher/forward/player than RVP. It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I think they are pretty similar records when you cut through the stats. What I have a "problem" with is when you present "hard facts" as you put it, that are completely made up.
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Post by Boogaloo on Oct 19, 2011 12:02:56 GMT
Quite, and what about this £45million offer that Real Madrid are considering for Hernandez? It has about as much substance as the 'Imminent arrival of the Qatari billionaires that were supposed to arrive about 6 months ago according to the 'fountain of all Premier League knowledge'
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Post by baldy on Oct 19, 2011 12:03:48 GMT
Was it really ! I count count then, I thought it was maybe an U21 game or behind closed doors friendly or something. Ok wipe that off. I may have listed Germany accidentally amongst all the other elite I was reeling off. When are you going to respond about the ridiculously superior international goal scoring records ? You are very selective in banging on about this fact and that fact but seem to go quiet when a hard fact is presented that doesn't suit. I have responded to your claim of a ridiculously superior international goal scoring by showing that you had made most of it up. He has scored aginst France (when they were in complete disarray) at the last WC. And he has scored against Argentina in a 3-1 defeat to Argentina at the WC. The rest of his goals were either in friendlies (Bolivia, Spain, North Korea, Gambia etc. or CONCACAF qualifiers (Honduras, Guatamala, Cuba etc) - mainly "no mark pub teams". Hernandez has scored 9 goals in competitive matches. RVP has scored 16 goals in competitive matches. I have no problem with your opinion that Hernandez is a better striker/finisher/forward/player than RVP. It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I think they are pretty similar records when you cut through the stats. What I have a "problem" with is when you present "hard facts" as you put it, that are completely made up. Don't forget the goal against World Cup winners and European champions Spain will you ? I might go a bit over the top from tiome to time but you down play any arguement of mine that stands up. If your happy to list minnows get your facts right the other way.
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Post by baldy on Oct 19, 2011 12:06:00 GMT
Quite, and what about this £45million offer that Real Madrid are considering for Hernandez? It has about as much substance as the 'Imminent arrival of the Qatari billionaires that were supposed to arrive about 6 months ago according to the 'fountain of all Premier League knowledge' It what makes up about 90% of this forum - conjecture.
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Post by sihath on Oct 19, 2011 12:12:32 GMT
I have responded to your claim of a ridiculously superior international goal scoring by showing that you had made most of it up. He has scored aginst France (when they were in complete disarray) at the last WC. And he has scored against Argentina in a 3-1 defeat to Argentina at the WC. The rest of his goals were either in friendlies (Bolivia, Spain, North Korea, Gambia etc. or CONCACAF qualifiers (Honduras, Guatamala, Cuba etc) - mainly "no mark pub teams". Hernandez has scored 9 goals in competitive matches. RVP has scored 16 goals in competitive matches. I have no problem with your opinion that Hernandez is a better striker/finisher/forward/player than RVP. It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I think they are pretty similar records when you cut through the stats. What I have a "problem" with is when you present "hard facts" as you put it, that are completely made up. Don't forget the goal against World Cup winners and European champions Spain will you ? I might go a bit over the top from tiome to time but you down play any arguement of mine that stands up. If your happy to list minnows get your facts right the other way. The irony of you telling me to get my facts right. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Boogaloo on Oct 19, 2011 12:24:04 GMT
Quite, and what about this £45million offer that Real Madrid are considering for Hernandez? It has about as much substance as the 'Imminent arrival' of the Qatari billionaires that were supposed to arrive about 6 months ago according to the 'fountain of all Premier League knowledge' It what makes up about 90% of this forum - conjecture. In other words, it's complete bullshi t that you made up - right?
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Post by baldy on Oct 19, 2011 12:48:34 GMT
It what makes up about 90% of this forum - conjecture. In other words, it's complete bullshi t that you made up - right? Its speculation. Speculation or b*llshit ? b*llshit or speculation ? Who knows but I've definitely read and heard this rumour from more than one media outlet. If all you want is hard facts then don't post or respond to anything other than when you see a signing confirmed on an official website.
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Post by moobs on Oct 19, 2011 12:49:05 GMT
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