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Post by davox on Jun 30, 2017 22:05:16 GMT
The above post is in reply to 'Liittlemore' -should have quoted him/her in my response.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 30, 2017 22:09:41 GMT
Clotet's record is really nothing special as a manager. That is a fact.
Where things may diverge is whether he has learnt from his mistakes. MAPP was a risk when we appointed him because he'd had a cup of coffee at too many jobs. But with the correct coaches around him, grew as a manager and we effectively sold him on. DEs safety net is the continuity in the coaching staff, the analytics team and the recruitment team. He knows that part works well.
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Post by trevorhebberd on Jun 30, 2017 22:16:17 GMT
Let's hope he doesn't have the same impact as the Port Vale manager last season!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 30, 2017 22:17:03 GMT
Yeah. But I suspect we won't sign a load of average Iberian players on long contracts.
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Post by gilgy on Jun 30, 2017 22:18:02 GMT
if we sign a goalkeeper that another club has been in advanced talks with, we can say that the other club was 'Pepped' at the post.
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Post by davox on Jun 30, 2017 22:23:36 GMT
Clotet's record is really nothing special as a manager. That is a fact. Where things may diverge is whether he has learnt from his mistakes. MAPP was a risk when we appointed him because he'd had a cup of coffee at too many jobs. But with the correct coaches around him, grew as a manager and we effectively sold him on. DEs safety net is the continuity in the coaching staff, the analytics team and the recruitment team. He knows that part works well. Defo agree that we've got a terrific model at Oxford and I love Eales as Chairman and respect the way he's gone about building continued improvement at the club on the football side as well as community side. However, at this level MAPP had the respect of the players. They wanted to impress him and were willing to fight for him cos he was passionate and partly cos he had pedigree as a very successful player before his injury so had 'walked the walk''. I worry that Pep Clotet doesn't have that spark and passion that always came across with MAPP. Have heard Pep in a few interviews and he's doesnt have a great presence. Hopefully this will be considered when they make the appointment. Again I hope I'm wrong because I love Oxford and expressing concerns cos I want us to get this right.
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Post by yellows1 on Jun 30, 2017 22:26:53 GMT
Redtube will sort you out with that one He does like to splash out on new players He tells them to shoot when their 'in the box' lol
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Post by gilgy on Jun 30, 2017 22:27:49 GMT
When Michael left, it was a pain, But then emerged a man from Spain. He made the cut, and beat the rest. Now wears our badge upon his chest!
Oh his name is Pep, his name is Pep. His name is Pep, oh his name is Pep.
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Post by MJB on Jun 30, 2017 22:30:31 GMT
Clotet's record is really nothing special as a manager. That is a fact. Where things may diverge is whether he has learnt from his mistakes. MAPP was a risk when we appointed him because he'd had a cup of coffee at too many jobs. But with the correct coaches around him, grew as a manager and we effectively sold him on. DEs safety net is the continuity in the coaching staff, the analytics team and the recruitment team. He knows that part works well. Defo agree that we've got a terrific model at Oxford and I love Eales as Chairman and respect the way he's gone about building continued improvement at the club on the football side as well as community side. However, at this level MAPP had the respect of the players. They wanted to impress him and were willing to fight for him cos he was passionate and partly cos he had pedigree as a very successful player before his injury so had 'walked the walk''. I worry that Pep Clotet doesn't have that spark and passion that always came across with MAPP. Have heard Pep in a few interviews and he's doesnt have a great presence. Hopefully this will be considered when they make the appointment. Again I hope I'm wrong because I love Oxford and expressing concerns cos I want us to get this right. Apologies for sounding like I'm just playing devils advocate but I would say that Appleton's style is less passionate and more of a dispassionate pragmatist. That Q&A with Johnson last season was quite illuminating I thought when he said that the players didn't really get to know him and he was quite moody and distant. Also, Mourinho and Wenger are just two obvious examples of players who didn't really do anything but went on to be successful managers.
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Post by yellows1 on Jun 30, 2017 22:34:46 GMT
Regardless of who the manager is, I have to say this whole process has been an eyeopener. One of the best chairman we have ever had and could realistically hope for and still some muppets have not been happy. I mean some people need to wake up and get real. I wonder why Joe Kinnear used that term all those years ago. Moving forward, we all know those who will try to bring the ship down if we are not spending millions, however let's get realistic here and not be greedy. OUFC should aim for promotion, using the same model as we have previously.....based on sound finances and playing attractive football. If you expect our chairman to throw away money then you are highly misguided. We got back the club that we have always wanted so lets keep it that way! Whilst you might be right, your attitude towards those fans is fairly hypocritical when you consider the source of your angst towards them. You obviously have different opinions of our Chairman, you have obviously had different experiences than them in your relationship with him, and you've obviously heard different stories about his behaviour. Your view that they are therefore "muppets" is just the other side of the same coin. You disagree - it doesn't mean you're right. I'd say he is right, we are, as a football club in the best position we've been in for well over 20 years, actions speak louder than words, some people just have an agenda to stir *hit and I'm right on this 100%.
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Post by davox on Jun 30, 2017 22:38:54 GMT
Defo agree that we've got a terrific model at Oxford and I love Eales as Chairman and respect the way he's gone about building continued improvement at the club on the football side as well as community side. However, at this level MAPP had the respect of the players. They wanted to impress him and were willing to fight for him cos he was passionate and partly cos he had pedigree as a very successful player before his injury so had 'walked the walk''. I worry that Pep Clotet doesn't have that spark and passion that always came across with MAPP. Have heard Pep in a few interviews and he's doesnt have a great presence. Hopefully this will be considered when they make the appointment. Again I hope I'm wrong because I love Oxford and expressing concerns cos I want us to get this right. Apologies for sounding like I'm just playing devils advocate but I would say that Appleton's style is less passionate and more of a dispassionate pragmatist. That Q&A with Johnson last season was quite illuminating I thought when he said that the players didn't really get to know him and he was quite moody and distant. Also, Mourinho and Wenger are just two obvious examples of players who didn't really do anything but went on to be successful managers. I think he came across very passionate in interviews but being passionate doesn't mean you're mates with the players and gung-ho as opposed to pragmatic. It simply means you inspire passion in others whatever your approach. It's an intangible quality that all good managers have. You gave two high profile examples of foreign coaches with no playing background. Exception rather than the norm I think. We'll have to be lucky for this gamble to pay off.
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Post by MJB on Jun 30, 2017 22:58:25 GMT
Apologies for sounding like I'm just playing devils advocate but I would say that Appleton's style is less passionate and more of a dispassionate pragmatist. That Q&A with Johnson last season was quite illuminating I thought when he said that the players didn't really get to know him and he was quite moody and distant. Also, Mourinho and Wenger are just two obvious examples of players who didn't really do anything but went on to be successful managers. I think he came across very passionate in interviews but being passionate doesn't mean you're mates with the players and gung-ho as opposed to pragmatic. It simply means you inspire passion in others whatever your approach. It's an intangible quality that all good managers have. You gave two high profile examples of foreign coaches with no playing background. Exception rather than the norm I think. We'll have to be lucky for this gamble to pay off. That's all fair. Just feel like all managerial appointments are a gamble. If the guy has set out a clear plan, is well regarded in the game and had something the other candidates lacked, that's often as much as you can go on. Better than a journeyman too if you have ambition and a particular setup and culture - I just hope people give whoever takes over time. 2014/15 started from a poorer base but it showed that a little patience can sometimes deliver a big reward.
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Post by davox on Jun 30, 2017 23:08:09 GMT
I think he came across very passionate in interviews but being passionate doesn't mean you're mates with the players and gung-ho as opposed to pragmatic. It simply means you inspire passion in others whatever your approach. It's an intangible quality that all good managers have. You gave two high profile examples of foreign coaches with no playing background. Exception rather than the norm I think. We'll have to be lucky for this gamble to pay off. That's all fair. Just feel like all managerial appointments are a gamble. If the guy has set out a clear plan, is well regarded in the game and had something the other candidates lacked, that's often as much as you can go on. Better than a journeyman too if you have ambition and a particular setup and culture - I just hope people give whoever takes over time. 2014/15 started from a poorer base but it showed that a little patience can sometimes deliver a big reward. Don't get me wrong. I'm not a hater. I'll support him as much as I can and am a believer of giving someone time. Time will tell and massively excited to get the season started. I'm a gambler myself but would prefer to mitigate the risk with a solid appointment of a younger manager like Stubbs, Cowley or Archibald.
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Post by makv on Jul 1, 2017 0:36:05 GMT
I have no inside knowledge and am only going by what you lot are saying about it essentially being a done deal - mostly based upon the betting, though there is always the possibility that someone is in the know* - but it all sounds pretty promising. I'm keen to welcome the man in, and am enjoying the attempts (some far worse than others...bazzer...) at writing chants for his name. However, if it's not him I'll be just as willing to welcome the new bloke and re-immerse myself just as passionately into chant composition (anyone know any traditional Dutch chants??). Just as long as it's not another Graham Rix. *Serious, where the hell is OxBible?? Probably in detention.
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Post by littlemore on Jul 1, 2017 7:37:22 GMT
Bookies had odds for next man u manager for 3 years before Ferguson retired. I know head traders at a couple of bookies and they've told me they price it purely on weight of money and reading fans forums. Yeah not disputing that. I think Pep is coming but I'm no more in the know then what's been posted on the forum. For me he fits with the club's ethos and is an upcoming coach. Not in the know but putting two together with this one made Pep the obvious choice.
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Jul 1, 2017 8:02:40 GMT
Yeah not disputing that. I think Pep is coming but I'm no more in the know then what's been posted on the forum. For me he fits with the club's ethos and is an upcoming coach. Not in the know but putting two together with this one made Pep the obvious choice. ...or Chrissy Allen. I would choose Pep as well, but hope Chris has a future with OUFC.
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Post by beyondthefourth on Jul 1, 2017 8:04:29 GMT
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Post by Bue Guado on Jul 1, 2017 8:36:52 GMT
What, other than in its own designated thread?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 1, 2017 8:38:33 GMT
Trouble being no one has asked him to spend extra millions, or got greedy have they. The only person infact talking about championship football constantly, and not being able to fund it, is Darryl. It's the mixed messages that have laid doubt, also down to Darryl. Fans I think have been pretty consistent, only asking for answers to reasonable questions that his statements and actions have raised You live on this forum, so you know know that it goes way beyond what you have said. A handful of members have clearly got it in for DE. Everyone makes mistakes, but the guy has made very few and certainly nothing that warrants some of the abuse. Why not ask Blackburn, Blackpool, Portsmouth, Leyton Orient, Charlton fans.....the list goes on, if they would like DE in charge of their clubs. We have been there many times. You want better, really? DE has said he wants us to get to the Championship and he remains focused on that vision and is providing a competitive budget. The problem is what? Maybe if he gets us to the Championship he needs to review our goals, structure, etc, but any businessman knows that you need to revisit your targets and challenge yourself to improve and not stand still. DE is shrewd, he will be the 1st to acknowledge this. He is rightly taking one step at a time. You want better really? Where in my post does it say that? I've regularly commented that he's the best chairman in my time. The problem is what? Again I haven't said there is one, I've made it clear that there are serious questions that need answering about the club. That's not personal to Darryl, they were asked about every chairman. I agree it has gone further than that, I can't answer for other but on my part that was a mistake, I don't think it shouldn't be talked about, as it is linked to issues at the club. But it's not something to judge him by. Everyone knows the damage that was done to the club when when fk started cost cutting, getting rid of the academy and such. And rightly people wanna make sure that doesn't happen again. Questions over staff are because, Darryl had built it to the best it had been in decades, great pr and a real feel good factor across all areas, so it's is then strange that it has then got so bad again under his reign. Darryl has made a great appointment, and I'm sure he's capable of following that up with some good signings. If he then fills the staff vacancies we will be turning back in the right direction and everyone will get behind him. Like I've said before 2 things that could majorly help him with this are a fans forum, put to bed the rumours and give us a clear plan on issues that concern fans. And appoint a new "footballing" CEO/md. to handle day to day running and most importantly press releases which is where the majority of the contradictions and mixed messages come from.
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Post by beyondthefourth on Jul 1, 2017 8:40:48 GMT
What, other than in its own designated thread? ... Oops To be honest, I've just had this one thread loaded on my phone browser for the past week, hitting refresh! Didn't think much else was going to be going on until the appointment was made. Guess I can now see what else is happening!
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Post by tatabanya on Jul 1, 2017 9:40:07 GMT
Whilst you might be right, your attitude towards those fans is fairly hypocritical when you consider the source of your angst towards them. You obviously have different opinions of our Chairman, you have obviously had different experiences than them in your relationship with him, and you've obviously heard different stories about his behaviour. Your view that they are therefore "muppets" is just the other side of the same coin. You disagree - it doesn't mean you're right. I'd say he is right, we are, as a football club in the best position we've been in for well over 20 years, actions speak louder than words, some people just have an agenda to stir *hit and I'm right on this 100%. That isn't what he said though. He said that Eales is one of the best Chairman we have and anyone who thinks otherwise is a 'muppet'. On-pitch things are great, but I'm afraid you don't get to choose what people can think of a person, especially without being privy to the same information.
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Post by taffyewe on Jul 1, 2017 10:08:15 GMT
Regardless of who the manager is, I have to say this whole process has been an eyeopener. One of the best chairman we have ever had and could realistically hope for and still some muppets have not been happy. I mean some people need to wake up and get real. I wonder why Joe Kinnear used that term all those years ago. Moving forward, we all know those who will try to bring the ship down if we are not spending millions, however let's get realistic here and not be greedy. OUFC should aim for promotion, using the same model as we have previously.....based on sound finances and playing attractive football. If you expect our chairman to throw away money then you are highly misguided. We got back the club that we have always wanted so lets keep it that way! Whilst you might be right, your attitude towards those fans is fairly hypocritical when you consider the source of your angst towards them. You obviously have different opinions of our Chairman, you have obviously had different experiences than them in your relationship with him, and you've obviously heard different stories about his behaviour. Your view that they are therefore "muppets" is just the other side of the same coin. You disagree - it doesn't mean you're right. Whilst I might be right....and then "it doesn't mean your right". Is that contradiction or sitting on the fence? We all want our club to remain in it's current strong state.....Yes? Wanting answers is one thing, but it has gone way beyond asking questions. It is quite frank, insane, how people forget where we were 10 years ago.
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Post by taffyewe on Jul 1, 2017 13:01:13 GMT
You live on this forum, so you know know that it goes way beyond what you have said. A handful of members have clearly got it in for DE. Everyone makes mistakes, but the guy has made very few and certainly nothing that warrants some of the abuse. Why not ask Blackburn, Blackpool, Portsmouth, Leyton Orient, Charlton fans.....the list goes on, if they would like DE in charge of their clubs. We have been there many times. You want better, really? DE has said he wants us to get to the Championship and he remains focused on that vision and is providing a competitive budget. The problem is what? Maybe if he gets us to the Championship he needs to review our goals, structure, etc, but any businessman knows that you need to revisit your targets and challenge yourself to improve and not stand still. DE is shrewd, he will be the 1st to acknowledge this. He is rightly taking one step at a time. You want better really? Where in my post does it say that? I've regularly commented that he's the best chairman in my time. The problem is what? Again I haven't said there is one, I've made it clear that there are serious questions that need answering about the club. That's not personal to Darryl, they were asked about every chairman. I agree it has gone further than that, I can't answer for other but on my part that was a mistake, I don't think it shouldn't be talked about, as it is linked to issues at the club. But it's not something to judge him by. Everyone knows the damage that was done to the club when when fk started cost cutting, getting rid of the academy and such. And rightly people wanna make sure that doesn't happen again. Questions over staff are because, Darryl had built it to the best it had been in decades, great pr and a real feel good factor across all areas, so it's is then strange that it has then got so bad again under his reign. Darryl has made a great appointment, and I'm sure he's capable of following that up with some good signings. If he then fills the staff vacancies we will be turning back in the right direction and everyone will get behind him. Like I've said before 2 things that could majorly help him with this are a fans forum, put to bed the rumours and give us a clear plan on issues that concern fans. And appoint a new "footballing" CEO/md. to handle day to day running and most importantly press releases which is where the majority of the contradictions and mixed messages come from. If there is no general problem, then why do you react so negatively to my post to make it seem that you completely disagree with my comments? You are one of the members who does not over step the mark and ask questions in the right way and there is nothing wrong with that. We have always been structured behind the scenes, way over and above what has been needed for the level and maybe, DE feels that is not money well spent. What is wrong with cost cutting? Its about making us sustainable. Maybe he is happy to get by without a CEO/MD for the time being. If so, what is wrong with that? If people feel that strong then why not send in a constructive letter to DE and ask these questions? Just remember that the biggest problem that OUFC have is with the stadium. This is the biggest threat to our future.
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Post by taffyewe on Jul 1, 2017 13:05:02 GMT
I'd say he is right, we are, as a football club in the best position we've been in for well over 20 years, actions speak louder than words, some people just have an agenda to stir *hit and I'm right on this 100%. That isn't what he said though. He said that Eales is one of the best Chairman we have and anyone who thinks otherwise is a 'muppet'. On-pitch things are great, but I'm afraid you don't get to choose what people can think of a person, especially without being privy to the same information. Hang on, I never said that! You can't just take two bits and put them together to make up you own sentence. Are you a journalist?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 1, 2017 13:10:52 GMT
You want better really? Where in my post does it say that? I've regularly commented that he's the best chairman in my time. The problem is what? Again I haven't said there is one, I've made it clear that there are serious questions that need answering about the club. That's not personal to Darryl, they were asked about every chairman. I agree it has gone further than that, I can't answer for other but on my part that was a mistake, I don't think it shouldn't be talked about, as it is linked to issues at the club. But it's not something to judge him by. Everyone knows the damage that was done to the club when when fk started cost cutting, getting rid of the academy and such. And rightly people wanna make sure that doesn't happen again. Questions over staff are because, Darryl had built it to the best it had been in decades, great pr and a real feel good factor across all areas, so it's is then strange that it has then got so bad again under his reign. Darryl has made a great appointment, and I'm sure he's capable of following that up with some good signings. If he then fills the staff vacancies we will be turning back in the right direction and everyone will get behind him. Like I've said before 2 things that could majorly help him with this are a fans forum, put to bed the rumours and give us a clear plan on issues that concern fans. And appoint a new "footballing" CEO/md. to handle day to day running and most importantly press releases which is where the majority of the contradictions and mixed messages come from. If there is no general problem, then why do you react so negatively to my post to make it seem that you completely disagree with my comments? You are one of the members who does not over step the mark and ask questions in the right way and there is nothing wrong with that. We have always been structured behind the scenes, way over and above what has been needed for the level and maybe, DE feels that is not money well spent. What is wrong with cost cutting? Its about making us sustainable. Maybe he is happy to get by without a CEO/MD for the time being. If so, what is wrong with that? If people feel that strong then why not send in a constructive letter to DE and ask these questions? Just remember that the biggest problem that OUFC have is with the stadium. This is the biggest threat to our future. Exactly but people have sent in these questions. Oxvox for a start and there have been no answers . I haven't reacted negatively to your post, I've just highlighted the bits u have aimed at me that are not true. And you are correct I also agree the stadium is the biggest threat to our future, which is why people have been asking "what's the plan". Darryl didn't have one. Then he relied on the oxvox one, both slating it and then describing it as a fantastic opportunity. If that is now a long way off or dead in the water. Do u think it's unreasonable to ask what's the plan b? Oxvox have never stopped him going down his own route, but I would certainly like to hear what he intends to do now, as he has listed it as the biggest thing holding us back. And even threatened budget cuts and a move outside of the county if it isn't sorted. Again not a dig at him personally, but because he is the man that wants to take us forward (which is great). We just need to know how, as at present he has only given reasons as to to why we can't, not solutions as to how we can
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Post by taffyewe on Jul 1, 2017 17:10:18 GMT
If there is no general problem, then why do you react so negatively to my post to make it seem that you completely disagree with my comments? You are one of the members who does not over step the mark and ask questions in the right way and there is nothing wrong with that. We have always been structured behind the scenes, way over and above what has been needed for the level and maybe, DE feels that is not money well spent. What is wrong with cost cutting? Its about making us sustainable. Maybe he is happy to get by without a CEO/MD for the time being. If so, what is wrong with that? If people feel that strong then why not send in a constructive letter to DE and ask these questions? Just remember that the biggest problem that OUFC have is with the stadium. This is the biggest threat to our future. Exactly but people have sent in these questions. Oxvox for a start and there have been no answers . I haven't reacted negatively to your post, I've just highlighted the bits u have aimed at me that are not true. And you are correct I also agree the stadium is the biggest threat to our future, which is why people have been asking "what's the plan". Darryl didn't have one. Then he relied on the oxvox one, both slating it and then describing it as a fantastic opportunity. If that is now a long way off or dead in the water. Do u think it's unreasonable to ask what's the plan b? Oxvox have never stopped him going down his own route, but I would certainly like to hear what he intends to do now, as he has listed it as the biggest thing holding us back. And even threatened budget cuts and a move outside of the county if it isn't sorted. Again not a dig at him personally, but because he is the man that wants to take us forward (which is great). We just need to know how, as at present he has only given reasons as to to why we can't, not solutions as to how we can At last we agree!!!! It may be that the thing with OXVOX had to pan out this way. It would have been foolish to not give that due time to sort itself, or let OXVox try even though he knew deep down how it would end. OXVOX have no power with Kassam. Kassam has just used OXVOX to slow everything and conveniently for him, he has been able to create a wedge between DE and OXvox. He is very clever and astute, but you could see where it was heading. Now DE is clear about the stadium, lets hope he can work out a vision for the club. Whatever the solution we have to break free from Kassam.
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Post by foweyox on Jul 1, 2017 17:22:10 GMT
would be good to get some player reactions - are they excited to play for him? Mags coming back? YP started taking DD again but no content/info for users
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 1, 2017 17:41:16 GMT
Exactly but people have sent in these questions. Oxvox for a start and there have been no answers . I haven't reacted negatively to your post, I've just highlighted the bits u have aimed at me that are not true. And you are correct I also agree the stadium is the biggest threat to our future, which is why people have been asking "what's the plan". Darryl didn't have one. Then he relied on the oxvox one, both slating it and then describing it as a fantastic opportunity. If that is now a long way off or dead in the water. Do u think it's unreasonable to ask what's the plan b? Oxvox have never stopped him going down his own route, but I would certainly like to hear what he intends to do now, as he has listed it as the biggest thing holding us back. And even threatened budget cuts and a move outside of the county if it isn't sorted. Again not a dig at him personally, but because he is the man that wants to take us forward (which is great). We just need to know how, as at present he has only given reasons as to to why we can't, not solutions as to how we can At last we agree!!!! It may be that the thing with OXVOX had to pan out this way. It would have been foolish to not give that due time to sort itself, or let OXVox try even though he knew deep down how it would end. OXVOX have no power with Kassam. Kassam has just used OXVOX to slow everything and conveniently for him, he has been able to create a wedge between DE and OXvox. He is very clever and astute, but you could see where it was heading. Now DE is clear about the stadium, lets hope he can work out a vision for the club. Whatever the solution we have to break free from Kassam. Not my view at all I'm afraid. I think a deal is still there, I think Darryl offering the club to people put that on the back burner. Him then pulling out also effected the new deal that sartori had agreed with fk. Oxvox have still got closer than Darryl ever has, and crucially are still on speaking terms. Darryl isn't, so like I said we need to know what his plan is, as he's said himself it's vital. Either come out give oxvox his full backing and urge them to get back to the table (something they are going to let members decide if they should as well) and get a deal even if it's a renegotiation of lease. I'm not sure that is possible while Darryls in charge as fk is not going to help someone who's taking him to court. Or Come out with his plan b. Or even a plan a, as he doesn't seem to have had one on the stadium yet.
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Post by Kris Grebis on Jul 1, 2017 18:11:59 GMT
Actually I did some research before making an informed opinion which gives rise to my pessimism. Espanyol B got promoted from the third tier to the second tier and were thought of as a team that could easily get a top half finish Pep took over to at least stabilise them in the second tier and failed to do so getting them relegated. In Norway, the club he managed (Halmstads BK) were in the Allvanskan (top tier) for 19 consecutive seasons and then Clotet took over and oversaw a humiliating relegation to the Superratan (second tier). At Malaga B he was brought in to achieve promotion but failed but to be fair to him developed some promising players suggesting he's a good coach but not a good Manager. He basically failed to improve the situation and worsened clubs situation as Manager on 3 separate occasions at similar levels to League 1 when he was brought in with a specific objective being either to stabilise them or get them promoted. Failing once, maybe twice but three times??! Not encouraging. I'd prefer we go with someone who is a known quantity and has proven success as a no. 1 or if we are taking a risk, take it on Frank Lampard who players will be desperate to play for and impress. Take your point about developing a reputation in England as Monk's No. 2, again suggesting he's a good coach but zero evidence as a Manager which requires a different skill set. Hey, I'm sure you've done your own research though that gives rise to your optimism! You have literally just read his Wikipedia page and filled in all the gaps using your imagination
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Post by malcolmnl on Jul 1, 2017 20:43:07 GMT
Perhaps time to close this thread now. Most of today's threads are off subject and we all know who our new manager is.
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