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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 19, 2017 7:45:32 GMT
Why do you think MApp has left to go to a job which doesn't match his ambition? If he'd gone to be Leicester' manager then yes I could understand, but assistant? Doesn't match up I'm afraid. It matches perfectly if his attempts to realise that ambition have been thwarted in 2 consecutive transfer windows despite prior indications to the contrary.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 19, 2017 7:47:20 GMT
Why do you think MApp has left to go to a job which doesn't match his ambition? If he'd gone to be Leicester' manager then yes I could understand, but assistant? Doesn't match up I'm afraid. He has probably gone because Eales can't promise him the budget that he wants. I don't hold that against Eales though if he won't spend money the club doesn't have. Or can't give him the budget he promised (twice) more like
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Post by uptheus on Jun 19, 2017 7:49:01 GMT
Why do you think MApp has left to go to a job which doesn't match his ambition? If he'd gone to be Leicester' manager then yes I could understand, but assistant? Doesn't match up I'm afraid. It matches perfectly if his attempts to realise that ambition have been thwarted in 2 consecutive transfer windows despite prior indications to the contrary. Totally agree.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jun 19, 2017 7:50:45 GMT
He has probably gone because Eales can't promise him the budget that he wants. I don't hold that against Eales though if he won't spend money the club doesn't have. Or can't give him the budget he promised (twice) more like He offered MApp a budget that would be in place if we didn't sell a player. He then told MApp the budget would be x amount if we sold a player.
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Post by uptheus on Jun 19, 2017 7:51:39 GMT
Why do you think MApp has left to go to a job which doesn't match his ambition? If he'd gone to be Leicester' manager then yes I could understand, but assistant? Doesn't match up I'm afraid. He has probably gone because Eales can't promise him the budget that he wants. I don't hold that against Eales though if he won't spend money the club doesn't have. Odd as he seems to have funded the club to the tune of £12m to date, so why the sudden turnaround at crucial stages e.g. January and this summer?
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Post by uptheus on Jun 19, 2017 7:53:29 GMT
Or can't give him the budget he promised (twice) more like He offered MApp a budget that would be in place if we didn't sell a player. He then told MApp the budget would be x amount if we sold a player. Don't you mean the other way around? And what if we've sold that player too?
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jun 19, 2017 7:53:36 GMT
He has probably gone because Eales can't promise him the budget that he wants. I don't hold that against Eales though if he won't spend money the club doesn't have. Odd as he seems to have funded the club to the tune of £12m to date, so why the sudden turnaround at crucial stages e.g. January and this summer? Probably because the club progressed a lot quicker than anyone thought. He even has said the club are 1 year ahead of where he had thought they would be. This means he has had to pump in more money than first thought.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Jun 19, 2017 7:55:00 GMT
He offered MApp a budget that would be in place if we didn't sell a player. He then told MApp the budget would be x amount if we sold a player. Don't you mean the other way around? And what if we've sold that player too? Sorry I haven't explained that well. He gave MApp 2 budgets, one would be if we didn't sell a player, the other was if we do sell a player.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 19, 2017 7:58:15 GMT
How do you know this, Mr Wig?
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Post by essexyellows on Jun 19, 2017 8:00:00 GMT
Sauce....
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 19, 2017 8:01:47 GMT
Don't you mean the other way around? And what if we've sold that player too? Sorry I haven't explained that well. He gave MApp 2 budgets, one would be if we didn't sell a player, the other was if we do sell a player. Yet the manager walks before selling that player, what does that tell u about those budgets. Not to mention that we have also all dipped into our pockets buying season tickets to give mapp this "significantly increased budget". Which it would appear isn't there now.
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Post by uptheus on Jun 19, 2017 8:03:20 GMT
Don't you mean the other way around? And what if we've sold that player too? Sorry I haven't explained that well. He gave MApp 2 budgets, one would be if we didn't sell a player, the other was if we do sell a player. But what if we have sold that player and MApp has still walked to a position that doesn't match his ambition. Even you would think that something doesn't match up then, wouldn't you?
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Post by dabigfella on Jun 19, 2017 8:10:12 GMT
A lot has been said about the budget being the problem. But I would suggest that £500,000 a year may have had a lot to do with it!!!!!
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 19, 2017 8:16:42 GMT
A lot has been said about the budget being the problem. But I would suggest that £500,000 a year may have had a lot to do with it!!!!! Of course, but when u have had maguire and lunny both come out saying the most important person to keep is mapp. And then mapp on 3/4 occasions hinting that he's a few players short, or will stay so long as the budget matches his ambition. And hopfully being able to put offers to players early and getting. Business done early. And Darryl talking about cuts and sacroscant and having to move if we don't get the stadium.
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Post by foweyox on Jun 19, 2017 8:17:34 GMT
Or can't give him the budget he promised (twice) more like We havent sold anyone so it has been a waiting game and we havent maybe been able to make the moves we anticipated (again) - of course other teams know this and so dont bid until late, to save themselves having to fork out £3m - there are teams who have signed less than us and so this is a common theme I assume. Whats clear is that MApp is easily our MOST VALUABLE asset (£500k a year salary proves that) yet we did not have him on a longer contract which seems absurd given that this kind of offer for him was always just around the corner. The irony is that him leaving and hopefully us getting a chunk in compensation would give us the cash we need NOT to have to even sell a player, but its impossible to recruit anyone until not just a new manager has been appointed, but there has also been a full and transparent statement from DE on when the new ST deadine will be and what needs to happen before we can begin making new signings. Our poor start last year cost us maybe direct autos. They didnt gel initially - the season starts in a few weeks and looks like the same (mistakes) all over again. Without being ITK, the posts here suggest that things off the pitch are pretty shambolic right now. Many here suggest that anyone could come in and continue the MApp legacy if he goes and that FAZ or CA could step up, but there need to be some clear statements from the clubs to maintain the players belief thats it is business as usual - defo invest in a top sports psychologist now and offer them all 1 on 1 counselling against anxiety :-)
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Post by foweyox on Jun 19, 2017 8:25:49 GMT
Think also a generic statement from the club should be made. "We can confirm that there has been an approach from Leicester City for Oxford manager Michael Appleton and talks are ongoing. Appleton met with chairman Darryl Eales last week, who is hopeful that the manager will remain at the club. A further announcement is expected shortly" - gives nothing away and no new news, but as a PR exercise it is important to make the fans feels included, rather than excluded.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 19, 2017 8:31:58 GMT
Perhaps "Michael is looking forward to completing the signing of Liam Lindsay and pressing on with what we hoped might be a top-6 budget."?
That should keep the buggers quiet for a couple of days.
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Post by oufcbenjyp on Jun 19, 2017 8:40:49 GMT
I don't see MAPP's departure because of budgetary issues. After all we had just made a 250/350k offer for a defender. Surely an offer of this type is a clear statement of intent to MAPP?
I see his departure as a result of the 500k a year offer Leicester have made to him. How many of us would turn down a 300k per annum pay increase?
However I do believe that he is making a mistake and it's a naive decision on his part. If Leicester get off to a bad start and lose their first few games of the season I can see the owners making exactly the same decision as last season, getting rid and installing a new manager with new back room staff. MAPP could be looking for a new job by the middle of next season.
This is purely a financial decision on his part.
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Post by foweyox on Jun 19, 2017 9:02:37 GMT
Maybe MApp is playing his poker hand cutely. Fresh from holiday, he sits down at the table with a foxy £500k in a big blue suitcase under the desk, wearing a Leicester City shirt with the name GAFFER above a huge number 2. Darryl leans back in his seat. "Hotdog Michael?" he asks - one bite later and the cards are in the air -Darryl leads with a wishy washy bet, mumbling something about being strong and stable. MApp splashes in a cheeky little re-raise which has Darryl shifting nervously in his seat. After 15 minutes of watching Darryl consume hot dogs MApp calls the clock. Darryl asks for 3 days to think about whether he calls and like a boss MApp gives him until the banks open on Monday morning.
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Post by surbitonyellow on Jun 19, 2017 9:20:00 GMT
Michael Appleton received a £1.5M damages payout for negligent medical care that ended his career. That and plenty of other indications, turning down MUFC academy job and his previously stated aims in the game, suggest most of his decisions are not governed by bottom line pounds and pence.
This is all rather looks to me like MA felt taken for granted, relied upon to get the club into the Championship, maximising its value, but without assurance over the resources to do that.
But for whatever reason, he presumably feels he has to get himself away from a situation which is making him unhappy.
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Post by foweyox on Jun 19, 2017 9:52:07 GMT
Think its all about the money - bit risky to join a club in decline who will likely only challenge for relegation. Even if they finished top 5, MApp would get a notional credit and may be able to move higher as the number 2 to Shakespeare. Think his personal wealth allows him to play the long game and take a chance he can guide us up and be competitive in the Championship within a timeframe which doesnt create gaps in his CV. Does he think he can do it on this budget? We were looking very strong at the end of the season (Millwall 3-0 away) and the team has largely stuck together. I assume Maguire will sign if he stays and maybe one or too in and we would look far too strong for most teams on the league. Stay and do it and MApp get the credit and become a number 1 in his own right - leave and live in Shakespeares shadow. Unless theres no money and Theres both risk and opportunity with each BUT if he is on 500 at Leicester how much is Shakespeare on?? I want that one!
He clearly knows what is going on behind the scenes better than we do - Game of two halves - in the first part of the clip the young girl is DE and the old woman who saw sthg nasty is Apples. In the second part Seth is Apples, his mother is DE, and the old guy in the suit is Craig Shakespeare. The words fit perfectly for what may be going on
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Post by oufcyellows on Jun 20, 2017 6:24:51 GMT
The one thing I was expecting to be announced yesterday was season tickets. season ticket deadline went past with no announcement on numbers. No announcement that all seats are now on general sale. No promotion to tempt people that some very decent seats are probably now available. To much else going on ?
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Post by Sith Lord on Jun 20, 2017 7:43:34 GMT
Personally the club is in disarray, comms gone out the window (for months now!)stupid takeover talks at the wrong time, chairman cannot make up his mind whether to stick or twist and the manager bails when the going gets tough.
Just when you are on a high, Bang! it comes crashing down..
Oxford United should come with a health warning...
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Post by manorlounger on Jun 20, 2017 7:43:57 GMT
The one thing I was expecting to be announced yesterday was season tickets. season ticket deadline went past with no announcement on numbers. No announcement that all seats are now on general sale. No promotion to tempt people that some very decent seats are probably now available. To much else going on ? Very true. Where is the marketing? Where is the push to sell seats? Where is any kind of news/announcements from the club? Or had everyone left the building?....
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 20, 2017 7:47:26 GMT
Comms looks to be getting back to some sort of decent level at the club - but it has a long way to go and some trust to build again.
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