|
Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 12, 2017 17:27:12 GMT
Fans don't have a right to tell Mr Eales how to spend his money, Barts. First, there's a difference between saying 'we need a forward (for example)', which is entirely accurate, and saying 'Eales needs to stick his hand in his pocket and buy us a million pound forward', which is presumptuous. Mr Eales owns the club, he can spend as much or as little as he wants on it. But second, MOST fans on here are asking how Mr Eales intends to take us forward. And that's a very reasonable question for any fan to ask. He's ditched an injection of cash from Sartori as it 'wasn't in the best interests of OUFC'. He's made his own financial limitations clear over the months. It now appears Mr Appleton will have to scour an ever-diminishing pool for talent. Let's hear what the club's reasonable expectations are for 2017/18. Let's have some honesty. If we can expect little, tell us. Has he not already been clear with us though? He said he can finance a promotion push and I think that includes his 'one star player a year sold' And as you said he pulled out of the deal with sartori because (in his opinion) the deal wasn't in the best interests of the football club. That's all we need too know. I don't think it is all we need to know though! If he can tell us why the deal flopped, without revealing anything with legal repercussions, I think he should. I think the fan base deserves to know the reason(s). Surely if it really was in the best interests of OUFC he will be applauded once the reasons are known?
|
|
|
Post by Barts on Jun 12, 2017 17:28:32 GMT
Not that I necessarily see it this way, just answering your question, but he's put a big increase on season tickets, and just before most have renewed he says he wants our budget to be around top 6, many (including me) buy their season ticket, and then we sign only 2 players over several weeks, and then the manager comments at only getting a few more in, seemingly going against having anywhere near a top 6 budget So if he's been dishonest with the people he relies on to pay their hard earned money to support the team then I think we should at least be able to question him and his motives THIS. THIS. THIS. Let's replace the word "fans" with "paying customers". And if you've hiked your prices by 40% or so in two years on the basis of an improved product, those customers do have the right to wonder if they have been sold something under false pretences when the proposed improvement aren't readily apparent. And this "What gives any fan the right...." line is one small step away from saying that clubs' owners shouldn't be questioned or criticised at all. And it's not about showing a lack of appreciation for what has gone before; it is, quite rightly, asking what is going on in the here and now. Karl Oyston used to be reasonably popular with Blackpool fans, and the Oyston family have certainly spent many millions on Blackpool. Does that mean Blackpool fans have no right to voice their disapproval? Of course not! Myles. Have I missed something or is it not an improved product? No, your right we were much better off before our promotion, two Wembley visits and fantastic fa cup runs. Oh and I never rated roofe, lunny, Lego, nelson, eastwood, Maguire, macaleny, baldock! Let's not replace the word 'fans' for 'paying customers' as we are Fans. Many of us (including you no doubt) would pay for a season if it was priced at market value. And to compare Eales to the Oystens in ridiculous!
|
|
|
Post by sussox on Jun 12, 2017 17:39:13 GMT
I'm still loving the way people who may spend a few hundred pound a year on oufc are trying to tell a man who has spent upwards of ยฃ9million on oufc how to spend his money. He's NEVER said we'd have a top six budget. He said he'd like to THINK we'd have a top six budget. People are living on JS's every word about what he would have done, had he gained control. Would he have done as he's said he'd have done? As it stands, we'll never know. He seemed very open and honest so I'd like to believe he would have, but the simple fact is we don't know. As far as DE is concerned, so far he has delivered everything he said he would. He later realised he needs to buy the ground, but kassam won't sell it too him, because of the court case. IMO people are getting on DE's back because of our history of owners, not because of DE himself. Answer me this question. What gives any fan the right to tell DE how he should or should not spend his money? Why would he say he'd like to think we'd have a top 6 budget unless he could achieve it. It's just another comment moving towards telling us he has run out of money. This would explain the lack of transfers, when Appleton clearly said he wanted to get the majority business done before the end of May. We've missed out on a fantastic opportunity to become a steady championship, because of his ego.
|
|
|
Post by shosho on Jun 12, 2017 17:52:30 GMT
Where was it said we have a top 6 budget?
|
|
|
Post by makv on Jun 12, 2017 17:52:46 GMT
I'm still loving the way people who may spend a few hundred pound a year on oufc are trying to tell a man who has spent upwards of ยฃ9million on oufc how to spend his money. He's NEVER said we'd have a top six budget. He said he'd like to THINK we'd have a top six budget. People are living on JS's every word about what he would have done, had he gained control. Would he have done as he's said he'd have done? As it stands, we'll never know. He seemed very open and honest so I'd like to believe he would have, but the simple fact is we don't know. As far as DE is concerned, so far he has delivered everything he said he would. He later realised he needs to buy the ground, but kassam won't sell it too him, because of the court case. IMO people are getting on DE's back because of our history of owners, not because of DE himself. Answer me this question. What gives any fan the right to tell DE how he should or should not spend his money? Why would he say he'd like to think we'd have a top 6 budget unless he could achieve it. It's just another comment moving towards telling us he has run out of money. This would explain the lack of transfers, when Appleton clearly said he wanted to get the majority business done before the end of May. We've missed out on a fantastic opportunity to become a steady championship, because of his ego.
๐๐๐๐๐๐๐
|
|
|
Post by Barts on Jun 12, 2017 17:55:21 GMT
I'm still loving the way people who may spend a few hundred pound a year on oufc are trying to tell a man who has spent upwards of ยฃ9million on oufc how to spend his money. He's NEVER said we'd have a top six budget. He said he'd like to THINK we'd have a top six budget. People are living on JS's every word about what he would have done, had he gained control. Would he have done as he's said he'd have done? As it stands, we'll never know. He seemed very open and honest so I'd like to believe he would have, but the simple fact is we don't know. As far as DE is concerned, so far he has delivered everything he said he would. He later realised he needs to buy the ground, but kassam won't sell it too him, because of the court case. IMO people are getting on DE's back because of our history of owners, not because of DE himself. Answer me this question. What gives any fan the right to tell DE how he should or should not spend his money? Why would he say he'd like to think we'd have a top 6 budget unless he could achieve it. It's just another comment moving towards telling us he has run out of money. This would explain the lack of transfers, when Appleton clearly said he wanted to get the majority business done before the end of May. We've missed out on a fantastic opportunity to become a steady championship, because of his ego.
I think it's quite simple. As it stands we probably have a top ten budget. If we sell a 'star player' its a top six budget. That's why he hopes to have a top six budget, because it isn't guaranteed we'll sell anyone.
|
|
|
Post by headingtonutd on Jun 12, 2017 18:05:01 GMT
I'm still loving the way people who may spend a few hundred pound a year on oufc are trying to tell a man who has spent upwards of ยฃ9million on oufc how to spend his money. He's NEVER said we'd have a top six budget. He said he'd like to THINK we'd have a top six budget. People are living on JS's every word about what he would have done, had he gained control. Would he have done as he's said he'd have done? As it stands, we'll never know. He seemed very open and honest so I'd like to believe he would have, but the simple fact is we don't know. As far as DE is concerned, so far he has delivered everything he said he would. He later realised he needs to buy the ground, but kassam won't sell it too him, because of the court case. IMO people are getting on DE's back because of our history of owners, not because of DE himself. Answer me this question. What gives any fan the right to tell DE how he should or should not spend his money? Why would he say he'd like to think we'd have a top 6 budget unless he could achieve it. It's just another comment moving towards telling us he has run out of money. This would explain the lack of transfers, when Appleton clearly said he wanted to get the majority business done before the end of May. We've missed out on a fantastic opportunity to become a steady championship, because of his ego.
I get why people might think DE is short of money but if that is the case, why not cash in on the club? The only way I can make sense of it is that he either thinks the bid is low and is holding out for more, in which case there is every chance the deal may get done or he wants to take the club into the Championship and cash in for really good money, which means he will be funding a promotion push he feels can work. The only other option is he is prepared to bleed money on us as we just hold station or begin to slide away to where he found us? Option three makes least sense to me.
|
|
|
Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 12, 2017 18:12:55 GMT
If he thought the bid was low why did he let it go to due diligence?
|
|
|
Post by Kris Grebis on Jun 12, 2017 18:18:53 GMT
Where was it said we have a top 6 budget? I'm not sure he ever has: "I think our playing budget this season was the eighth or ninth-highest in League One from the statistics we can get from the EFL," Eales told BBC Radio Oxford. "I'd like to see if we can get into the top-six budget. We would probably never be able to get into the top three as there's certain clubs who are on a different planet from our perspective." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39846008
|
|
|
Post by Barts on Jun 12, 2017 18:32:54 GMT
If he thought the bid was low why did he let it go to due diligence? Did he think it was too low then? Or is that speculation? Because I don't think it matters why he turned it down, all we need to know is that the owner of the football club we all love, told us that in his opinion it wasn't in his or the football clubs best interest at this point to sell. Not to say it won't happen, but as it stands not right now.
|
|
|
Post by Barts on Jun 12, 2017 18:34:22 GMT
Where was it said we have a top 6 budget? I'm not sure he ever has: "I think our playing budget this season was the eighth or ninth-highest in League One from the statistics we can get from the EFL," Eales told BBC Radio Oxford. "I'd like to see if we can get into the top-six budget. We would probably never be able to get into the top three as there's certain clubs who are on a different planet from our perspective." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39846008Nothing in there to say we'll have a top six budget then..
|
|
|
Post by headingtonutd on Jun 12, 2017 18:46:10 GMT
If he thought the bid was low why did he let it go to due diligence? a) The price wasn't finalised before due diligence? b) He's been drinking copious amounts of absinth? c) He's bat shit crazy and has taken to wearing his underpants over his trousers? All sound as likely to me truth be told.
|
|
|
Post by scotchegg on Jun 12, 2017 18:58:33 GMT
If he thought the bid was low why did he let it go to due diligence? Would a valuation be agreed prior to due diligence being done? I don't know the way these things work but is it possible that JS reduced his offer once he realised how difficult it would be to do a stadium deal? The idea that DE would turn down a decent offer at the same time we're being told that he is potless is bizarre. And the fact that no further details are being disclosed may mean a deal could still happen.
|
|
|
Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 12, 2017 19:05:19 GMT
If he thought the bid was low why did he let it go to due diligence? Did he think it was too low then? Or is that speculation? Dunno. I was replying to the hypothesis of some poster.
|
|
|
Post by foley on Jun 12, 2017 19:06:11 GMT
If he thought the bid was low why did he let it go to due diligence? Would a valuation be agreed prior to due diligence being done? I don't know the way these things work but is it possible that JS reduced his offer once he realised how difficult it would be to do a stadium deal? The idea that DE would turn down a decent offer at the same time we're being told that he is potless is bizarre. And the fact that no further details are being disclosed may mean a deal could still happen. An indicative offer would normally be agreed before due diligence goes ahead. It is time consuming and pretty expensive. It is possible that JS could have reduced the offer due to the Stadium issue, or other things that came out of due diligence. Who knows though?
|
|
|
Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 12, 2017 19:08:10 GMT
If he thought the bid was low why did he let it go to due diligence? Would a valuation be agreed prior to due diligence being done? That's the case in my experience - deal is done & hands shaken. Odd for the person on whom the diligence is being done to pull out.
|
|
|
Post by ciaranjonlucas on Jun 12, 2017 19:24:53 GMT
No one knows our budget. No one knows anybody else's budget. How does anyone know what a top six budget is??? All you need to ask yourself is.... Will our squad be better than last year? Will our budget allow us to have a genuine shot of promotion? I believe the answer to both of those questions is a resounding YES!!! The core of our squad is as good as any in the league, all we need is two or three more quality players, which I trust Mapp to find and DE to fund and we will be well in with a shout. I think some people have forgotten what DE has done for us and where we've come from. Only 3 or 4 clubs have signed more players than us in the division and I don't fancy any of them to finish above us. People need to stop overanalysing every comment in the OM in a slow news day and be patient.
|
|
|
Post by bigronaldo on Jun 12, 2017 19:34:06 GMT
As i have already stated, Darryl really should now find the time to give us his vision of the future for this club. Clear up all of the mystery and the nonsense of the aborted deal and put out his intentions for this club, the ground and transfer situation going forward!
|
|
|
Post by Barts on Jun 12, 2017 19:44:15 GMT
As i have already stated, Darryl really should now find the time to give us his vision of the future for this club. Clear up all of the mystery and the nonsense of the aborted deal and put out his intentions for this club, the ground and transfer situation going forward! I'm sorry, but with the greatest respect, why? He's made a statement on the take over deal. There is only mystery about it, because people want too no more and quite frankly in my opinion beyond the statement Eales has made it's none of our business. I would be very surprised if his vision has changed in the past 12 months, so if it hasn't, then he doesn't need to comment on that either. The best way to look at things is assume nothing has changed unless there is a statement to the contrary.
|
|
|
Post by oufcyellows on Jun 12, 2017 19:46:43 GMT
As i have already stated, Darryl really should now find the time to give us his vision of the future for this club. Clear up all of the mystery and the nonsense of the aborted deal and put out his intentions for this club, the ground and transfer situation going forward! I'm sorry, but with the greatest respect, why? He's made a statement on the take over deal. There is only mystery about it, because people want too no more and quite frankly in my opinion beyond the statement Eales has made it's none of our business. I would be very surprised if his vision has changed in the past 12 months, so if it hasn't, then he doesn't need to comment on that either. The best way to look at things is assume nothing has changed unless there is a statement to the contrary. So on that basis, in the last 12 months he has told us that without a stadium deal, we would need to cut budgets or possibly move away from the county. The only deal on the table looks like it's dead in the water or at least a long way off. So if nothing has changed what happens now? What's the plan? Like big rob says just do what he intended with that interview and properly end speculation. I will more than happily manoeuvre the positive bus right back behind him. If there is a plan for the future.
|
|
|
Post by Barts on Jun 12, 2017 20:00:07 GMT
I'm sorry, but with the greatest respect, why? He's made a statement on the take over deal. There is only mystery about it, because people want too no more and quite frankly in my opinion beyond the statement Eales has made it's none of our business. I would be very surprised if his vision has changed in the past 12 months, so if it hasn't, then he doesn't need to comment on that either. The best way to look at things is assume nothing has changed unless there is a statement to the contrary. So on that basis, in the last 12 months he has told us that without a stadium deal, we would need to cut budgets or possibly move away from the county. The only deal on the table looks like it's dead in the water or at least a long way off. So if nothing has changed what happens now? What's the plan? Like big rob says just do what he intended with that interview and properly end speculation. I will more than happily manoeuvre the positive bus right back behind him. If there is a plan for the future. The board made the comments about the stadium deal, but in any case, the stadium deal isn't dead yet is it? So if it isn't dead then we carry on as we are. Your the driver of the positive bus, you need to start it back up and keep selling 'one way tickets'!! ๐
|
|
|
Post by oufcyellows on Jun 12, 2017 20:08:16 GMT
I'd f*cking love to mate, there is just something about this that don't sit right. I'd say the stadium deal is a long way off especially while court proceedings are ongoing. But then Darryl and the board have also praised and had a massive go at the oxvox deal in the past, so I'm not sure if they think it's a good thing or bad.
That's why I'd like just a bit of clarity. A plan we can all get behind. Once the football starts on the pitch the players manger and chairman all have my full support as always.
|
|
|
Post by horseman on Jun 12, 2017 20:20:44 GMT
I'm sorry, but with the greatest respect, why? He's made a statement on the take over deal. There is only mystery about it, because people want too no more and quite frankly in my opinion beyond the statement Eales has made it's none of our business. I would be very surprised if his vision has changed in the past 12 months, so if it hasn't, then he doesn't need to comment on that either. The best way to look at things is assume nothing has changed unless there is a statement to the contrary. So on that basis, in the last 12 months he has told us that without a stadium deal, we would need to cut budgets or possibly move away from the county. The only deal on the table looks like it's dead in the water or at least a long way off. So if nothing has changed what happens now? What's the plan? Like big rob says just do what he intended with that interview and properly end speculation. I will more than happily manoeuvre the positive bus right back behind him. If there is a plan for the future. Oh the joys of the modern technology world , where many have their noses stuck into their mobiles on various social media platforms and where idle gossip and speculation abound. Where everyone not only wants but expects to know everyone's business
|
|
|
Post by Barts on Jun 12, 2017 20:23:05 GMT
I'd f*cking love to mate, there is just something about this that don't sit right. I'd say the stadium deal is a long way off especially while court proceedings are ongoing. But then Darryl and the board have also praised and had a massive go at the oxvox deal in the past, so I'm not sure if they think it's a good thing or bad. That's why I'd like just a bit of clarity. A plan we can all get behind. Once the football starts on the pitch the players manger and chairman all have my full support. Honestly mate, you need to deal with facts that you know rather than what people may think. Now there are friends that I have the greatest respect for who know DE who have their views on him, whether those views are good or bad doesn't matter to me as it's a personal opinion that they've aquired from their experiences with him. I don't know him, so I have to gauge my opinion on press releases. I bear in mind my friends experiences but I won't judge someone on others opinions. This has been the point I'm trying too make today, people seem to have gone into conspiracy mode, where there's no grounds for it.
|
|
|
Post by Barts on Jun 12, 2017 20:24:08 GMT
So on that basis, in the last 12 months he has told us that without a stadium deal, we would need to cut budgets or possibly move away from the county. The only deal on the table looks like it's dead in the water or at least a long way off. So if nothing has changed what happens now? What's the plan? Like big rob says just do what he intended with that interview and properly end speculation. I will more than happily manoeuvre the positive bus right back behind him. If there is a plan for the future. Oh the joys of the modern technology world , where many have their noses stuck into their mobiles on various social media platforms and where idle gossip and speculation abound. Where everyone not only wants but expects to know everyone's business As Myles would say... This, this, this, this!! ๐
|
|
|
Post by oufcyellows on Jun 12, 2017 20:25:39 GMT
So on that basis, in the last 12 months he has told us that without a stadium deal, we would need to cut budgets or possibly move away from the county. The only deal on the table looks like it's dead in the water or at least a long way off. So if nothing has changed what happens now? What's the plan? Like big rob says just do what he intended with that interview and properly end speculation. I will more than happily manoeuvre the positive bus right back behind him. If there is a plan for the future. Oh the joys of the modern technology world , where many have their noses stuck into their mobiles on various social media platforms and where idle gossip and speculation abound. Where everyone not only wants but expects to know everyone's business I don't wanna know his business at all! But if he's happy to tell me the stadiums not important Then happy to tell me that actually it's vital. Then happy again to tell me if it isn't sorted I could be seeing budget cuts and having to drive to Wycombe. When the only deal on the table looks pretty much dead as he's just cancelled A sell out. Is it to much to ask what is the plan now? What he thinks we need to do next . Like others have said if it's in the best interests of the club, come out and tell us, it will only gain him more support, and would stop anyone asking questions.
|
|
|
Post by bigronaldo on Jun 12, 2017 20:30:18 GMT
My point is that we are in a position where, to all intents and purposes, a deal was thrashed out between an investor/buyer? And the chairman of the club who has already publicly pleaded for outside investment and when it has been forthcoming he has pulled the plug. DE has also said it was not in the clubs interest. I do not wish to see the ins and outs of the deal that fell through. That is for the club to pick the bones out of. What i would like to know as a season ticket holder is what is his alternative to the issues that abound. His way forward. It is not a gripe, god knows, i think he is a powerful driving force behind this club and is the keeper of my dreams, but i would like to know so why shouldn't i ask... what now Darryl?
|
|
|
Post by oufcyellows on Jun 12, 2017 20:32:31 GMT
What he said, and explained a lot better than I've been trying to.
Darryl comes out and says look, I wanna be the man to take us up, this club means to much to me just to sell it on, we're going to give it everything we have got this season. I've also started at looking at possible sites and pricing for a possible move away from the Kassam, there is still hope a deal can be done but think now it would be good to have a credible alternative.
100% I'm behind him. Doesn't have to tell me how much 10 new players is going to cost, how much we spend on scouting Transylvania, or why he didn't like Juan sartori as he was allergic to his cat. He could even throw in that he wants to take us on a journey. Always a good seller that
|
|
|
Post by bazzer9461 on Jun 12, 2017 20:56:33 GMT
If he thought the bid was low why did he let it go to due diligence? Would a valuation be agreed prior to due diligence being done? I don't know the way these things work but is it possible that JS reduced his offer once he realised how difficult it would be to do a stadium deal?
The idea that DE would turn down a decent offer at the same time we're being told that he is potless is bizarre. And the fact that no further details are being disclosed may mean a deal could still happen. The curse of Kassam has reared its ugly head again.
|
|
|
Post by horseman on Jun 12, 2017 21:01:08 GMT
Was what now not the question when charlies consortium missed out to De? that hasn't turned out too bas has it? oh and I've been eating humble pie ever since.
|
|