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Post by dabigfella on May 26, 2017 8:55:27 GMT
I have to say that to me the whole thing smacks of OxVox being used by Ka££am to blackmail the Council into giving him what he wants. As far as I can see the only real way left is to somehow dump the Ka$$tad and go for another ground altogether. Trouble is, not sure how we can do that!!!!!!!
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 26, 2017 9:34:50 GMT
We all know Stewart could buy the ground but his involvement with Oxvox was to lend his business acumen. . There has been no mention of financial backers to aid in support of securing the ownership of the ground which is paramount I still believe kuntsam is playing Oxvox I know Oxvox are taking a back seat with Juan Sartori in the frame and tbh I hope he succeeds as DE who is a decent guy has already he couldn't go it alone to the next level the Championship not without financial backing. Search Stewart on here and read back through his posts. What are you asking me to look for I have read the previious 5 posts or so and to me Stewart is saying about the business model the costing the potential income the fact that hotels make the money. Stewart is a decent guy whom is offering to broker a deal between Oxvox and FK but as others say I think FK is taking the p*ss.
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Post by foley on May 26, 2017 9:36:53 GMT
Just a couple of things that I picked up yesterday evening.
The stadium as others have said is valued at £12M. The belief is that this is overvalued. Therefore the overflow car park conversation. I believe that Oxvox said that the Council had turned down requests from FK to build on the overflow car park. So this can be used as a bargaining chip to keep FK onside.
The reason that FK won't sell the ground is in the main to protect his other businesses. So the key thing is the car park which is used by both the customers of his other businesses as well as the Football club.
DE is apparently comfortable with the lease option. At the moment (I think that I heard), the club are even restricted on the hours they can use the office. The current licence is a bit of a joke. So having a lease instead of a licence could allow the club to control the Stadium and not have such large upfront costs. I guess that this would incorporate the Conference Centre.
If this were to happen (the terms of the lease is a different matter), then this could work from the club's perspective.
The other thing mentioned was that the licence runs out in 8 years and FK s aware of this. The club have an option to renew. The land that the ground is built on is owned by the council. There is a covenant that states that he land must be used for leisure purposes.
What I that from that is that it would be very difficult for Fk to ever build on the land. This I would imagine could be changed if the club went elsewhere.
The other thing mentioned was that the Council are doing their best to protect OUFC and want a deal which benefits them (overflow car park)
FK wants a legacy. So as others have speculated on here, if the ground was to be sold, then he would likely to insist on his name on the ground (!) Oh and Oxvox's view is that is not about the money from FK's perspective. It is more about the legacy.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 26, 2017 9:41:01 GMT
Search Stewart on here and read back through his posts. What are you asking me to look for I have read the previious 5 posts or so and to me Stewart is saying about the business model the costing the potential income the fact that hotels make the money. Stewart is a decent guy whom is offering to broker a deal between Oxvox and FK but as others say I think FK is taking the p*ss. Learnings Zach - we don't disagree about it being bizarre. The point i was addressing is that you find it unacceptable. It is not my fault, or oxox for that mattter, that the current landlord won't do a deal with the current owner and the valuation is more than makes financial sense to lots. To be completely clear Firoz WILL do a deal but not with the owner and has no interest in doing a deal with anyone other than a trust - he doesn't need the money so the deal has to be structured broadly how he wants, as is the right of any seller. So if OUFC cannot do that then what are the other options - NONE. If you find another option to avoid it being bizarre then no one more than me would be grateful! I understand it is an emotional subject but emotion won't get a deal done unfortunately. To be clear - The issue preventing the conclusion of the sale to a trust is working out how the football club will benefit to enough of an extent to make the capital expenditure worthwhile and give the current owner enough upside to feel he has the possibility of pushing the club forward rather than looking at the expense base. Putting it bluntly the conference centre makes a profit apparently of 300k - that will not be enough to reduce losses to a level that is acceptable. The current owner is on record as being able to sustain League One but concerned that the Championship will need an additional investor. I have to look at spending quite a large sum of money and work out if it will benefit the club enough to make it worthwhile around these parameters. The way I see it Darryl has said we would to be near the bottom of the Championship clubs budgets at £11 million - roughly £8 million more than now, which without cup runs creates an unsustainable loss at this stage already. I am not sure but promotion is probably worth £5 million more in League funding so you need gate receipts etc to reach an additional £4 million to be about where Darryl wants to do - that is currently double the current turnover. If you can achieve this you then you get a budget near the bottom of the Championship which is no good and will see us back in League One at some point so the ground needs to bring real value. Buying a ground that makes 300k is so irrelevant unless you can make a case that profits will increase substantially to a few million profit it is just a waste of funds. Now it will cost me 6/8/10/12 million which even if I gift won't do that as that just creates a different landlord enabling 500k profit probably. You then have to cover maintenance and capital expenditure to get the ground fit for purpose - millions more required!! If the club doesn't make the Championship and stays in League One just losing the rent will just reduce Darryl's losses - I may as well just give him the money directly!! So the delay now is me working out whether to help with finance!! Has anyone done a full business plan post sale and has an idea of the numbers and how it will benefit/affect the club? Well if they have I have not seen it. So before I commit to a deal I need to do this work and see whether or not I think spending millions will actually produce the correct result and be of benefit. I have a team of 3 or 4 people working on this so I can get a view by next weekend. Simply committing funds blindly with a view it will make the difference needed and then it not would be heartbreaking for me and very stupid. At the moment I can't see it makes sense but there is more than one way to skin a cat and have a few ideas!! I wish I didn't feel the need to do this or that there was a business plan done that I could just review but as far as I know there isn't so there is work to be done. I will not commit millions to something without understanding exactly what the likely financial picture is going to look like - that is what is currently stopping the deal not Firoz or anything else. If it doesn't make sense then you either don't do the deal or negotiate. As Oxford fans we all know what the club wants and needs but by doing the deal, as offered it needs to be judged if that can be delivered. I agree I should not really need to be involved in this and if you feel the club should be doing this in place of me then the question really is to them isn't it as to why they are not rather than at me. I haven't excluded them. Darryl has said they have offered to buy it before but either that offer didn't match the valuation or Firoz wouldn't sell it to them - that though is one you can simply ask the club if you want the answer. Regarding Eastleigh - yes bad season. in 5 years we have finished 4th,1st,4th, 7th and now a poor one. However if we manage to replicate that in the next 5 years we will be anywhere between League 2 and the Premier League which will do!!! I have gifted them 10 million and they were struggling to survive before I went there. They now have a ground fit for purpose and the largest fanbase of any club in the National Premier League never to have played League football - which isn't bad from 400 fans and a club struggling to pay wages with a fair amount of debt. If it takes another £10 million gift for the next 5 years to get where we want or more I am sure I have the capabilities to do that if I want to. So thanks for your best wishes and I am sure we will come through our sticky patch!! So thats about as comprehensive as I can be without breaking confidentiality. I will leave it to Oxvox to issue a statement about progress at the time they feel appropriate when something is more material etc. r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyellowsforum%2Eco%2Euk%2Fsreply%2F671824&share_tid=25424&share_fid=98885&share_type=t&share_pid=671824
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 26, 2017 9:49:06 GMT
What are you asking me to look for I have read the previious 5 posts or so and to me Stewart is saying about the business model the costing the potential income the fact that hotels make the money. Stewart is a decent guy whom is offering to broker a deal between Oxvox and FK but as others say I think FK is taking the p*ss. Learnings Zach - we don't disagree about it being bizarre. The point i was addressing is that you find it unacceptable. It is not my fault, or oxox for that mattter, that the current landlord won't do a deal with the current owner and the valuation is more than makes financial sense to lots. To be completely clear Firoz WILL do a deal but not with the owner and has no interest in doing a deal with anyone other than a trust - he doesn't need the money so the deal has to be structured broadly how he wants, as is the right of any seller. So if OUFC cannot do that then what are the other options - NONE. If you find another option to avoid it being bizarre then no one more than me would be grateful! I understand it is an emotional subject but emotion won't get a deal done unfortunately. To be clear - The issue preventing the conclusion of the sale to a trust is working out how the football club will benefit to enough of an extent to make the capital expenditure worthwhile and give the current owner enough upside to feel he has the possibility of pushing the club forward rather than looking at the expense base. Putting it bluntly the conference centre makes a profit apparently of 300k - that will not be enough to reduce losses to a level that is acceptable. The current owner is on record as being able to sustain League One but concerned that the Championship will need an additional investor. I have to look at spending quite a large sum of money and work out if it will benefit the club enough to make it worthwhile around these parameters. The way I see it Darryl has said we would to be near the bottom of the Championship clubs budgets at £11 million - roughly £8 million more than now, which without cup runs creates an unsustainable loss at this stage already. I am not sure but promotion is probably worth £5 million more in League funding so you need gate receipts etc to reach an additional £4 million to be about where Darryl wants to do - that is currently double the current turnover. If you can achieve this you then you get a budget near the bottom of the Championship which is no good and will see us back in League One at some point so the ground needs to bring real value. Buying a ground that makes 300k is so irrelevant unless you can make a case that profits will increase substantially to a few million profit it is just a waste of funds. Now it will cost me 6/8/10/12 million which even if I gift won't do that as that just creates a different landlord enabling 500k profit probably. You then have to cover maintenance and capital expenditure to get the ground fit for purpose - millions more required!! If the club doesn't make the Championship and stays in League One just losing the rent will just reduce Darryl's losses - I may as well just give him the money directly!! So the delay now is me working out whether to help with finance!! Has anyone done a full business plan post sale and has an idea of the numbers and how it will benefit/affect the club? Well if they have I have not seen it. So before I commit to a deal I need to do this work and see whether or not I think spending millions will actually produce the correct result and be of benefit. I have a team of 3 or 4 people working on this so I can get a view by next weekend. Simply committing funds blindly with a view it will make the difference needed and then it not would be heartbreaking for me and very stupid. At the moment I can't see it makes sense but there is more than one way to skin a cat and have a few ideas!! I wish I didn't feel the need to do this or that there was a business plan done that I could just review but as far as I know there isn't so there is work to be done. I will not commit millions to something without understanding exactly what the likely financial picture is going to look like - that is what is currently stopping the deal not Firoz or anything else. If it doesn't make sense then you either don't do the deal or negotiate. As Oxford fans we all know what the club wants and needs but by doing the deal, as offered it needs to be judged if that can be delivered. I agree I should not really need to be involved in this and if you feel the club should be doing this in place of me then the question really is to them isn't it as to why they are not rather than at me. I haven't excluded them. Darryl has said they have offered to buy it before but either that offer didn't match the valuation or Firoz wouldn't sell it to them - that though is one you can simply ask the club if you want the answer. Regarding Eastleigh - yes bad season. in 5 years we have finished 4th,1st,4th, 7th and now a poor one. However if we manage to replicate that in the next 5 years we will be anywhere between League 2 and the Premier League which will do!!! I have gifted them 10 million and they were struggling to survive before I went there. They now have a ground fit for purpose and the largest fanbase of any club in the National Premier League never to have played League football - which isn't bad from 400 fans and a club struggling to pay wages with a fair amount of debt. If it takes another £10 million gift for the next 5 years to get where we want or more I am sure I have the capabilities to do that if I want to. So thanks for your best wishes and I am sure we will come through our sticky patch!! So thats about as comprehensive as I can be without breaking confidentiality. I will leave it to Oxvox to issue a statement about progress at the time they feel appropriate when something is more material etc. r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyellowsforum%2Eco%2Euk%2Fsreply%2F671824&share_tid=25424&share_fid=98885&share_type=t&share_pid=671824Ok you got me obviously I had missed or even misread that post, But as he has said the numbers the lack of a business plan and the costings with the repairs and so forth have to be sorted his team are working on it which is good however, the stumbling block is Kuntsam he wont sell to an individual so would Stewart be part of a community project in taking this club forward?
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Post by headingtonutd on May 26, 2017 10:01:08 GMT
I knew Firoz was taking the p*ss, so now if a deal with sartori can't be met maybe another way would be to renegotiate the lease. So Kuntsam keeps ownership, ffs what are Oxvox playing at, obviously there were no potential backers. Bazzer were you at the meeting last night? Did you contribute anything? ask any questions of the committee? Did you even reply to the message from OxVox about the AGM on here to offer some suggestions? I'm going to stick my neck out and say no although i'd be happy to be proved wrong. The way you rant at OxVox suggests you have some master plan that has been derailed by their involvement in negotiations? If that's the case we'd love to hear it. If not I have some questions for you; - What makes you think that if Sartori doesn't buy the ground that any deal is dead in the water? Nobody has actually said that. - If Kassam does keep the stadium and we have reduced rent or similar but full revenue use and are able to develop the ground would that still be enough to send you into a muttering rage? - What is your issue with OxVox? You would clearly rather they had done nothing. Why? - What would you like to happen? Just so you know I have no affiliation with OxVox beyond being a member and being at the meeting last night.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 26, 2017 10:01:27 GMT
Learnings Zach - we don't disagree about it being bizarre. The point i was addressing is that you find it unacceptable. It is not my fault, or oxox for that mattter, that the current landlord won't do a deal with the current owner and the valuation is more than makes financial sense to lots. To be completely clear Firoz WILL do a deal but not with the owner and has no interest in doing a deal with anyone other than a trust - he doesn't need the money so the deal has to be structured broadly how he wants, as is the right of any seller. So if OUFC cannot do that then what are the other options - NONE. If you find another option to avoid it being bizarre then no one more than me would be grateful! I understand it is an emotional subject but emotion won't get a deal done unfortunately. To be clear - The issue preventing the conclusion of the sale to a trust is working out how the football club will benefit to enough of an extent to make the capital expenditure worthwhile and give the current owner enough upside to feel he has the possibility of pushing the club forward rather than looking at the expense base. Putting it bluntly the conference centre makes a profit apparently of 300k - that will not be enough to reduce losses to a level that is acceptable. The current owner is on record as being able to sustain League One but concerned that the Championship will need an additional investor. I have to look at spending quite a large sum of money and work out if it will benefit the club enough to make it worthwhile around these parameters. The way I see it Darryl has said we would to be near the bottom of the Championship clubs budgets at £11 million - roughly £8 million more than now, which without cup runs creates an unsustainable loss at this stage already. I am not sure but promotion is probably worth £5 million more in League funding so you need gate receipts etc to reach an additional £4 million to be about where Darryl wants to do - that is currently double the current turnover. If you can achieve this you then you get a budget near the bottom of the Championship which is no good and will see us back in League One at some point so the ground needs to bring real value. Buying a ground that makes 300k is so irrelevant unless you can make a case that profits will increase substantially to a few million profit it is just a waste of funds. Now it will cost me 6/8/10/12 million which even if I gift won't do that as that just creates a different landlord enabling 500k profit probably. You then have to cover maintenance and capital expenditure to get the ground fit for purpose - millions more required!! If the club doesn't make the Championship and stays in League One just losing the rent will just reduce Darryl's losses - I may as well just give him the money directly!! So the delay now is me working out whether to help with finance!! Has anyone done a full business plan post sale and has an idea of the numbers and how it will benefit/affect the club? Well if they have I have not seen it. So before I commit to a deal I need to do this work and see whether or not I think spending millions will actually produce the correct result and be of benefit. I have a team of 3 or 4 people working on this so I can get a view by next weekend. Simply committing funds blindly with a view it will make the difference needed and then it not would be heartbreaking for me and very stupid. At the moment I can't see it makes sense but there is more than one way to skin a cat and have a few ideas!! I wish I didn't feel the need to do this or that there was a business plan done that I could just review but as far as I know there isn't so there is work to be done. I will not commit millions to something without understanding exactly what the likely financial picture is going to look like - that is what is currently stopping the deal not Firoz or anything else. If it doesn't make sense then you either don't do the deal or negotiate. As Oxford fans we all know what the club wants and needs but by doing the deal, as offered it needs to be judged if that can be delivered. I agree I should not really need to be involved in this and if you feel the club should be doing this in place of me then the question really is to them isn't it as to why they are not rather than at me. I haven't excluded them. Darryl has said they have offered to buy it before but either that offer didn't match the valuation or Firoz wouldn't sell it to them - that though is one you can simply ask the club if you want the answer. Regarding Eastleigh - yes bad season. in 5 years we have finished 4th,1st,4th, 7th and now a poor one. However if we manage to replicate that in the next 5 years we will be anywhere between League 2 and the Premier League which will do!!! I have gifted them 10 million and they were struggling to survive before I went there. They now have a ground fit for purpose and the largest fanbase of any club in the National Premier League never to have played League football - which isn't bad from 400 fans and a club struggling to pay wages with a fair amount of debt. If it takes another £10 million gift for the next 5 years to get where we want or more I am sure I have the capabilities to do that if I want to. So thanks for your best wishes and I am sure we will come through our sticky patch!! So thats about as comprehensive as I can be without breaking confidentiality. I will leave it to Oxvox to issue a statement about progress at the time they feel appropriate when something is more material etc. r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=http%3A%2F%2Fyellowsforum%2Eco%2Euk%2Fsreply%2F671824&share_tid=25424&share_fid=98885&share_type=t&share_pid=671824Ok you got me obviously I had missed or even misread that post, But as he has said the numbers the lack of a business plan and the costings with the repairs and so forth have to be sorted his team are working on it which is good however, the stumbling block is Kuntsam he wont sell to an individual so would Stewart be part of a community project in taking this club forward? I think you're getting there.
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Post by socrates on May 26, 2017 10:03:15 GMT
And why am I not in the least surprised that Kassam is playing such a devilishly brilliant hand.
Jesus christ, he's managed to manoeuvre a position where the rent will go up and in return (in return!!) he will get a huge swathe of land to build whatever he wishes
And so we still do not own our own ground. Or actually a car park.
This club will never fulfil its potential until Kassam is just a ghoul from our past.
The only option is for the club and councils to grow a pair, stand up to the guy and say 'actually, Firoz we're going to build a shiny pleasure palace' somewhere else. The lease is running down on the Kassam and good luck finding someone else to play there'
It won't happen. Because this is Apathy Valley. 'ooooh, it's too hard. it takes too long. planning committees are tricky'.
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Post by Kairdiff Exile on May 26, 2017 10:07:55 GMT
HeadingtonUtd - I can't speak for Bazzer, and I agree that his tone wasn't helpful, but I do share some of his concerns/frustration. I wasn't at the AGM last night (I live two hours away from Oxford so it's not really practical during the middle of the week) but I sent apologies. As I said in my previous thread, I feel that OxVox have gone into this trying to help, but ultimately are being 'played' by Ka$$am for his own ends.
It may be that OxVox don't feel its their place to do it, but I do think that it's time for some co-ordinated direct action against him to try and force his hand. The softly-softly approach has been tried to death and hasn't worked. He's a greedy old bastard and will only start to understand if it's affecting his bottom line.
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 26, 2017 10:10:58 GMT
I knew Firoz was taking the p*ss, so now if a deal with sartori can't be met maybe another way would be to renegotiate the lease. So Kuntsam keeps ownership, ffs what are Oxvox playing at, obviously there were no potential backers. Bazzer were you at the meeting last night? Did you contribute anything? ask any questions of the committee? Did you even reply to the message from OxVox about the AGM on here to offer some suggestions? I'm going to stick my neck out and say no although i'd be happy to be proved wrong. The way you rant at OxVox suggests you have some master plan that has been derailed by their involvement in negotiations? If that's the case we'd love to hear it. If not I have some questions for you; - What makes you think that if Sartori doesn't buy the ground that any deal is dead in the water? Nobody has actually said that. - If Kassam does keep the stadium and we have reduced rent or similar but full revenue use and are able to develop the ground would that still be enough to send you into a muttering rage? - What is your issue with OxVox? You would clearly rather they had done nothing. Why? - What would you like to happen? Just so you know I have no affiliation with OxVox beyond being a member and being at the meeting last night. I have nothing against Oxvox and the work Jem and co do for the club it's Kassam, I honestly do not believe he will deal positively with Oxvox, with Stewart on board does help but the announcement just under a year ago was Oxvox were talking to Kassam to help facilitate a buy out. This will only happen I believe and I'm not alone when Kassam has screwed us over. I hope Sartori can be successful in buying out Kassam but I believe that will be the club as well. DE says he doesn't want to sell and why should he, but then would Sartori want to buy the stadium. DE needs a financial backer if we were o progress with trying for promotion yes the championship and as SD has pointed out we would be at the lower end of the budget unless we can fill the ground, that is easier said than done, However with a new stadium owner a bit more positivity may come back and out home attendances can increase to a limit where we could be reasonably sustainable in the championship and then work from there. But I still think Kassam is stringing Oxvox along no matter how much you lay into me about it it's something I feel. PS no I'm not a member of Oxvox and yes I do know what they stand for and the good they do and try to do for OUFC,
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Post by horseman on May 26, 2017 10:13:17 GMT
i Despair or am i missing something...we are likely to be paying more rent to enable us to sell and gain pennies from sausage rolls and a few pies and beers whilst also taking on the maintenence costs and this is a good idea how exactly?
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Post by oufcyellows on May 26, 2017 10:18:57 GMT
But does it matter if he is stringing them along ? What's it effecting other than their own personal time and effort? It not stopping Darryl looking at other site, agreeing his own deal, trying to renegotiate the rent himself.
Like headingtonutd has said previously, if fk was never going To deal, then why would he have wasted this amount of his time.
I think ur just a little confused baz First I said oxvox can't afford to buy the stadium. Then when u got you're head around it wasn't actually them buying it u said they had no backers. Now when u have found out there is a backer all along u have changed to it just being a game played by Kassam.
Let's wait and see what happens, the oxvox deal/deals are still on the table (which Darryl has recently said he hopes they can pull off). And now sartori is also talking to fk. We don't know if that's to buy, agree new rent, or he just fancied a pint in Monaco. But I think it's safe to say it's not been a waste of time or effort. If nothing else come the end of it we will have a final decision on exactly where fk stands on it. And if that means moving then Darryl or Juan can start work on it as the new plan a
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Post by londonroader on May 26, 2017 10:19:32 GMT
And why am I not in the least surprised that Kassam is playing such a devilishly brilliant hand. Jesus christ, he's managed to manoeuvre a position where the rent will go up and in return (in return!!) he will get a huge swathe of land to build whatever he wishes And so we still do not own our own ground. Or actually a car park. This club will never fulfil its potential until Kassam is just a ghoul from our past. The only option is for the club and councils to grow a pair, stand up to the guy and say 'actually, Firoz we're going to build a shiny pleasure palace' somewhere else. The lease is running down on the Kassam and good luck finding someone else to play there' It won't happen. Because this is Apathy Valley. 'ooooh, it's too hard. it takes too long. planning committees are tricky'. Who has said the rent will go up and in what circumstances.
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Post by headingtonutd on May 26, 2017 10:19:56 GMT
And why am I not in the least surprised that Kassam is playing such a devilishly brilliant hand. Jesus christ, he's managed to manoeuvre a position where the rent will go up and in return (in return!!) he will get a huge swathe of land to build whatever he wishes And so we still do not own our own ground. Or actually a car park. This club will never fulfil its potential until Kassam is just a ghoul from our past. The only option is for the club and councils to grow a pair, stand up to the guy and say 'actually, Firoz we're going to build a shiny pleasure palace' somewhere else. The lease is running down on the Kassam and good luck finding someone else to play there' It won't happen. Because this is Apathy Valley. 'ooooh, it's too hard. it takes too long. planning committees are tricky'. Actually I have no idea where the OM got the idea that the license fee would increase. It was not mentioned at the AGM unless I was napping with my eyes open at that point. My understanding was that any renegotiation of license would be much more favourable to the club. I stand to be corrected. As for dashing off and sticking two fingers up at FK, as nice as it sounds, firstly we are tied in for another eight years so we'd have to negotiate with him whatever happened. If that were the case he wouldn't have an empty stadium, he'd have a nice development plot I suspect. Also new grounds take a little time and money. Balls and swagger are great, but unless you have the local and county council in your pocket, a shit load of money and the world's fastest stadium builders, we are years away from that. I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome it, it's just a bit glib to say we should 'man up and walk away' without an option in place. WE looks great but it's just not ready and waiting for the builders to move in i'm afraid.
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Post by onlyme on May 26, 2017 10:20:42 GMT
i Despair or am i missing something...we are likely to be paying more rent to enable us to sell and gain pennies from sausage rolls and a few pies and beers whilst also taking on the maintenence costs and this is a good idea how exactly? Try - 4th stand. Try Conference facilities. Please tell me where you buy beers for pennies.
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Post by arthurturner on May 26, 2017 10:35:06 GMT
I knew Firoz was taking the p*ss, so now if a deal with sartori can't be met maybe another way would be to renegotiate the lease. So Kuntsam keeps ownership, ffs what are Oxvox playing at, obviously there were no potential backers. If you could be bothered to join OxVox and had attended the meeting last night you might not have made such an ill considered attack. In fact, a renegotiated lease on terms that would allow OUFC to fully operate the stadium would in many ways be a better option than owning it. Ownership isn't everything. Sometimes having the full use of something is better than owning it. In addition, if FK doesn't wish to sell this may be a way forward that satisfies everyone. What I learned last night was that Jem Faulkner and his Committee have and continue to put in an enormous amount of time and effort in trying to seek solutions for the benefit of our club and if you can't find anything constructive to say about the many complex issues that the Club is faced with then I suggest you say nothing at all.
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 26, 2017 10:35:33 GMT
And why am I not in the least surprised that Kassam is playing such a devilishly brilliant hand. Jesus christ, he's managed to manoeuvre a position where the rent will go up and in return (in return!!) he will get a huge swathe of land to build whatever he wishes And so we still do not own our own ground. Or actually a car park. This club will never fulfil its potential until Kassam is just a ghoul from our past. The only option is for the club and councils to grow a pair, stand up to the guy and say 'actually, Firoz we're going to build a shiny pleasure palace' somewhere else. The lease is running down on the Kassam and good luck finding someone else to play there' It won't happen. Because this is Apathy Valley. 'ooooh, it's too hard. it takes too long. planning committees are tricky'. Actually I have no idea where the OM got the idea that the license fee would increase. It was not mentioned at the AGM unless I was napping with my eyes open at that point. My understanding was that any renegotiation of license would be much more favourable to the club. I stand to be corrected. As for dashing off and sticking two fingers up at FK, as nice as it sounds, firstly we are tied in for another eight years so we'd have to negotiate with him whatever happened. If that were the case he wouldn't have an empty stadium, he'd have a nice development plot I suspect. Also new grounds take a little time and money. Balls and swagger are great, but unless you have the local and county council in your pocket, a shit load of money and the world's fastest stadium builders, we are years away from that. I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome it, it's just a bit glib to say we should 'man up and walk away' without an option in place. WE looks great but it's just not ready and waiting for the builders to move in i'm afraid. Th rent would go up if we were promoted.
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Post by socrates on May 26, 2017 10:35:59 GMT
And why am I not in the least surprised that Kassam is playing such a devilishly brilliant hand. Jesus christ, he's managed to manoeuvre a position where the rent will go up and in return (in return!!) he will get a huge swathe of land to build whatever he wishes And so we still do not own our own ground. Or actually a car park. This club will never fulfil its potential until Kassam is just a ghoul from our past. The only option is for the club and councils to grow a pair, stand up to the guy and say 'actually, Firoz we're going to build a shiny pleasure palace' somewhere else. The lease is running down on the Kassam and good luck finding someone else to play there' It won't happen. Because this is Apathy Valley. 'ooooh, it's too hard. it takes too long. planning committees are tricky'. Actually I have no idea where the OM got the idea that the license fee would increase. It was not mentioned at the AGM unless I was napping with my eyes open at that point. My understanding was that any renegotiation of license would be much more favourable to the club. I stand to be corrected. As for dashing off and sticking two fingers up at FK, as nice as it sounds, firstly we are tied in for another eight years so we'd have to negotiate with him whatever happened. If that were the case he wouldn't have an empty stadium, he'd have a nice development plot I suspect. Also new grounds take a little time and money. Balls and swagger are great, but unless you have the local and county council in your pocket, a shit load of money and the world's fastest stadium builders, we are years away from that. I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome it, it's just a bit glib to say we should 'man up and walk away' without an option in place. WE looks great but it's just not ready and waiting for the builders to move in i'm afraid. You do me a disservice. I'm quite aware that a new ground is not ready to move into. And quite aware it will take years. But had Water Eaton been actioned three years ago, the wait would not seem so interminable would it? The council, club and fans have a choice. Go down a difficult route now, stand together and work together rather than hoping that Kassam will be nothing less than a hard-nosed businessman or be consigned to mediocrity for ever more. Having a good season every seven or eight years, flitting between the bottom two divisions. All groups will choose the latter. Because, as your posts perfectly illustrates, we're just too apathetic. This county is far too well-off and comfortable for anything else.
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Post by londonroader on May 26, 2017 10:36:45 GMT
And why am I not in the least surprised that Kassam is playing such a devilishly brilliant hand. Jesus christ, he's managed to manoeuvre a position where the rent will go up and in return (in return!!) he will get a huge swathe of land to build whatever he wishes And so we still do not own our own ground. Or actually a car park. This club will never fulfil its potential until Kassam is just a ghoul from our past. The only option is for the club and councils to grow a pair, stand up to the guy and say 'actually, Firoz we're going to build a shiny pleasure palace' somewhere else. The lease is running down on the Kassam and good luck finding someone else to play there' It won't happen. Because this is Apathy Valley. 'ooooh, it's too hard. it takes too long. planning committees are tricky'. Actually I have no idea where the OM got the idea that the license fee would increase. It was not mentioned at the AGM unless I was napping with my eyes open at that point. My understanding was that any renegotiation of license would be much more favourable to the club. I stand to be corrected.As for dashing off and sticking two fingers up at FK, as nice as it sounds, firstly we are tied in for another eight years so we'd have to negotiate with him whatever happened. If that were the case he wouldn't have an empty stadium, he'd have a nice development plot I suspect. Also new grounds take a little time and money. Balls and swagger are great, but unless you have the local and county council in your pocket, a shit load of money and the world's fastest stadium builders, we are years away from that. I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome it, it's just a bit glib to say we should 'man up and walk away' without an option in place. WE looks great but it's just not ready and waiting for the builders to move in i'm afraid. This Everyone jumping on the bandwagon, Oxvox NEVER said the rent would go up in a negotiated a new lease instead of the current license, it's the Oxford mail getting the facts wrong again.
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Post by socrates on May 26, 2017 10:37:57 GMT
And why am I not in the least surprised that Kassam is playing such a devilishly brilliant hand. Jesus christ, he's managed to manoeuvre a position where the rent will go up and in return (in return!!) he will get a huge swathe of land to build whatever he wishes And so we still do not own our own ground. Or actually a car park. This club will never fulfil its potential until Kassam is just a ghoul from our past. The only option is for the club and councils to grow a pair, stand up to the guy and say 'actually, Firoz we're going to build a shiny pleasure palace' somewhere else. The lease is running down on the Kassam and good luck finding someone else to play there' It won't happen. Because this is Apathy Valley. 'ooooh, it's too hard. it takes too long. planning committees are tricky'. Who has said the rent will go up and in what circumstances. www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/oxfordunited/15310954.More_details_on_OxVox_stadium_bid___but_talks__on_hold__due_to_U_s_takeover_interest/
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 26, 2017 10:38:16 GMT
I knew Firoz was taking the p*ss, so now if a deal with sartori can't be met maybe another way would be to renegotiate the lease. So Kuntsam keeps ownership, ffs what are Oxvox playing at, obviously there were no potential backers. If you could be bothered to join OxVox and had attended the meeting last night you might not have made such an ill considered attack. In fact, a renegotiated lease on terms that would allow OUFC to fully operate the stadium would in many ways be a better option than owning it. Ownership isn't everything. Sometimes having the full use of something is better than owning it. In addition, if FK doesn't wish to sell this may be a way forward that satisfies everyone. What I learned last night was that Jem Faulkner and his Committee have and continue to put in an enormous amount of time and effort in trying to seek solutions for the benefit of our club and if you can't find anything constructive to say about the many complex issues that the Club is faced with then I suggest you say nothing at all. Would he be forth willing to negotiate a new rental amount say similar to Coventry's there's went from 1 million down to 100k so if ours is just a ted over 500k could we renegotiate down to say 50k?
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 26, 2017 10:40:13 GMT
I knew Firoz was taking the p*ss, so now if a deal with sartori can't be met maybe another way would be to renegotiate the lease. So Kuntsam keeps ownership, ffs what are Oxvox playing at, obviously there were no potential backers. If you could be bothered to join OxVox and had attended the meeting last night you might not have made such an ill considered attack. In fact, a renegotiated lease on terms that would allow OUFC to fully operate the stadium would in many ways be a better option than owning it. Ownership isn't everything. Sometimes having the full use of something is better than owning it. In addition, if FK doesn't wish to sell this may be a way forward that satisfies everyone. What I learned last night was that Jem Faulkner and his Committee have and continue to put in an enormous amount of time and effort in trying to seek solutions for the benefit of our club and if you can't find anything constructive to say about the many complex issues that the Club is faced with then I suggest you say nothing at all. I will keep saying what I feel for as long s I feel things need addressing. PS its a forum.
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Post by horseman on May 26, 2017 10:49:19 GMT
i Despair or am i missing something...we are likely to be paying more rent to enable us to sell and gain pennies from sausage rolls and a few pies and beers whilst also taking on the maintenence costs and this is a good idea how exactly? Try - 4th stand. Try Conference facilities. Please tell me where you buy beers for pennies. Pennies in real terms after shelling out more for rent and maintence costs as for the 4th stand who will be sat there exactly? many couldn't be bothered to turn up for bolton and sheff utd the 2 leading clubs and whilst we still had chance of the play off as they preferred a day out at boro and wembley we may have had use for it against newcastle and possibly swindon but other than that you're just spreading the people thinner around the ground at extra costs before laying out such sums might it be an idea to attract the new potential customers first? like i said elsewhere if folk were not coming before then why will they suddenly come now when prices have just been increased?
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Post by foley on May 26, 2017 10:50:51 GMT
i Despair or am i missing something...we are likely to be paying more rent to enable us to sell and gain pennies from sausage rolls and a few pies and beers whilst also taking on the maintenence costs and this is a good idea how exactly? I think that you are missing a few things. I suspect that any lease would include the Conference Centre (although can't be sure of that) The service charge at the moment is seen by the club to be grossly overpriced for what the club get. So the service charge presumably would disappear yes the club would instead do the maintenance. If am correct re the Conference Centre then a few pennies is way off the mark This is part of the business that could be grown if supporters use the venue for events. So the point is that the whole ground is controlled by the club. As if they owned it. Which is significantly different from what it is at the moment. We are told that this is what DE is after...
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Post by foley on May 26, 2017 10:52:33 GMT
Try - 4th stand. Try Conference facilities. Please tell me where you buy beers for pennies. Pennies in real terms after shelling out more for rent and maintence costs as for the 4th stand who will be sat there exactly?
many couldn't be bothered to turn up for bolton and sheff utd the 2 leading clubs and whilst we still had chance of the play off as they preferred a day out at boro and wembley we may have had use for it against newcastle and possibly swindon but other than that you're just spreading the people thinner around the ground at extra costs before laying out such sums might it be an idea to attract the new potential customers first? like i said elsewhere if folk were not coming before then why will they suddenly come now when prices have just been increased? The plan is to get to the Championship. If we get there then for many games 11,700 (or whatever it is after segregation) will not be enough
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Post by arthurturner on May 26, 2017 11:00:38 GMT
Well it sounds to me as though OxVox have been sold a pig in a poke by Mr Ka$$am. After months and months trying to negotiate a Heads Of Terms, we're now being told that an outright sale isn't likely, and instead we're most likely to be paying more rent (albeit with a bigger share of matchday income). I'm a proud OxVox member and I am hugely appreciative of the work they've done over the years - but what the hell are they playing at? Once again, Ka$$am has shafted the club for his own ends and played us like a fiddle. I increasingly think the only way he'll sell up is if fans start taking direct action, protesting outside his hotels and hitting him in the wallet where it hurts.[/q
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Post by arthurturner on May 26, 2017 11:04:13 GMT
Well it sounds to me as though OxVox have been sold a pig in a poke by Mr Ka$$am. After months and months trying to negotiate a Heads Of Terms, we're now being told that an outright sale isn't likely, and instead we're most likely to be paying more rent (albeit with a bigger share of matchday income). I'm a proud OxVox member and I am hugely appreciative of the work they've done over the years - but what the hell are they playing at? Once again, Ka$$am has shafted the club for his own ends and played us like a fiddle. I increasingly think the only way he'll sell up is if fans start taking direct action, protesting outside his hotels and hitting him in the wallet where it hurts.[/q Yes That'll work. Thinking clearly not your strong point.
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Post by londonroader on May 26, 2017 11:05:40 GMT
Unfortunately for you the ox mail got it wrong, having been at the meeting I can say with confidence that it Jem never said that the rent would go up in a negotiated lease deal, we (OUFC)would get a more favorable deal Good old ox fail.
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Post by ag on May 26, 2017 11:06:53 GMT
If you could be bothered to join OxVox and had attended the meeting last night you might not have made such an ill considered attack. In fact, a renegotiated lease on terms that would allow OUFC to fully operate the stadium would in many ways be a better option than owning it. Ownership isn't everything. Sometimes having the full use of something is better than owning it. In addition, if FK doesn't wish to sell this may be a way forward that satisfies everyone. What I learned last night was that Jem Faulkner and his Committee have and continue to put in an enormous amount of time and effort in trying to seek solutions for the benefit of our club and if you can't find anything constructive to say about the many complex issues that the Club is faced with then I suggest you say nothing at all. I will keep saying what I feel for as long s I feel things need addressing. PS its a forum. Absolutely right. Whilst Oxvox may be a very worthy cause, you can't insist that only those fans who are members of Oxvox express an opinion about the future of the club
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Post by socrates on May 26, 2017 11:07:25 GMT
Unfortunately for you the ox mail got it wrong, having been at the meeting I can say with confidence that it Jem never said that the rent would go up in a negotiated lease deal, we (OUFC)would get a more favorable deal Good old ox fail. why is unfortunate for me?
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