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Post by thesecretposter on May 5, 2017 6:32:20 GMT
I'm surprised one of the super sleuths on here hasn't been putting 2 and 2 together and there isn't a thread on this already to be honest. With 2 articles in as many days and 2 players mentioning in different ways that the manager might not be here does it not get you thinking that this whole delayed retained list thing could be just a cover up?
I wouldn't be shocked at all to hear MApp has been interviewed at at clubs. I'd be upset if he was to leave but not at all surprised. He's been one of the best managers we've had in years and will clearly be in high demand.
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Post by saddletramp on May 5, 2017 6:49:13 GMT
I'm surprised one of the super sleuths on here hasn't been putting 2 and 2 together and there isn't a thread on this already to be honest. With 2 articles in as many days and 2 players mentioning in different ways that the manager might not be here does it not get you thinking that this whole delayed retained list thing could be just a cover up? I wouldn't be shocked at all to hear MApp has been interviewed at at clubs. I'd be upset if he was to leave but not at all surprised. He's been one of the best managers we've had in years and will clearly be in high demand. Answer me this ? If you were the owner/CEO of an underachieving big Championship team,say Norwich,would you be looking at a manager who guided a team to eighth in League 1 ? Pretty sure if you polled every supporter of PL/Championship clubs,they wouldn't have a clue who MApp was. Rumours are the Gary Monk might be on his way at Leeds,they finished just outside the play offs. McClaren got the boot at top half Derby. Rowett got sacked when Birmingham were 7th. I don't think MApp would consider moving to another League 1 club. I don't think championship owners look beyond next season and the "quick fix" for getting to the promised land.
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Post by mcf86 on May 5, 2017 6:49:36 GMT
Doesn't take a 'super sleuth' to put together yet another rumour that the manager is leaving, there's always a chance of that happening at any club when 'your' manager is having some success and even more rumours suggesting there might be a new owner coming in. The two articles in question are interesting though tbh, and would the players air such views without a reason, and without getting the ok from the management?
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Post by uptheus on May 5, 2017 6:49:48 GMT
They're in Spain, so is that the reason the retained list hasn't been published yet?
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Post by foley on May 5, 2017 7:29:52 GMT
I think that MAPP has made clear in all of the articles. He needs an extra 3 players and budget to compete at the top of League 1.
If he were not to get enough then I would think that his stock is high enough to get a club such as Norwich (or any well run Championship club who wants to develop players/ grow and improve) or a League 1 club with the funds to compete and who can go up.
From MAPP's perspective he will want to get Promotion if staying in League 1 and then his stock will be very high ( with regard to Saddletramp's comments, many Premiership fans would still not know who MAPP was even with Promotion to the Championship)
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Post by foley on May 5, 2017 7:30:40 GMT
They're in Spain, so is that the reason the retained list hasn't been published yet? It has been said that the retianed list will be released next week as there were a couple of players who had yet to have the discussions.
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Post by foley on May 5, 2017 7:33:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 7:35:31 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Monk left Leeds and returned to Swansea. David Wagner to Leeds Michael Appleton staying with Oxford and signing a new two year contract
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Post by saddletramp on May 5, 2017 7:39:13 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Monk left Leeds and returned to Swansea. David Wagner to Leeds Michael Appleton staying with Oxford and signing a new two year contract My mate(Boro fan) reckons if Huddersfield don't get promoted Wagner is nailed on for the Boro job.
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Post by thesecretposter on May 5, 2017 7:40:38 GMT
Doesn't take a 'super sleuth' to put together yet another rumour that the manager is leaving, there's always a chance of that happening at any club when 'your' manager is having some success and even more rumours suggesting there might be a new owner coming in. The two articles in question are interesting though tbh, and would the players air such views without a reason, and without getting the ok from the management? Sarcasm anyone?............. no. I'm wasted here!
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Post by Paul Cannell on May 5, 2017 7:43:37 GMT
But it wasn't sarcasm, was it? Try and wriggle off the hook after you've been found out.
Poor show old lad.
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Post by Mark on May 5, 2017 9:10:10 GMT
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Post by myles on May 5, 2017 9:14:30 GMT
I think that MAPP has made clear in all of the articles. He needs an extra 3 players and budget to compete at the top of League 1. If he were not to get enough then I would think that his stock is high enough to get a club such as Norwich (or any well run Championship club who wants to develop players/ grow and improve) or a League 1 club with the funds to compete and who can go up. From MAPP's perspective he will want to get Promotion if staying in League 1 and then his stock will be very high ( with regard to Saddletramp's comments, many Premiership fans would still not know who MAPP was even with Promotion to the Championship) I touched on this gently in the thread I started last night. If MApp feels he will be given the budget to mount a proper promotion challenge next season, then I think he will stay. As will key players like Maguire and Lundstrum. And this is where Darryl has to step up to the plate and ensure such funding is available. Considering how we have performed on and off the pitch over the past couple of seasons, I don't see why this shouldn't happen. However, reading the "mood music" coming out of the club, the comments from MApp and various players, and the press comments made by Darryl, one has to wonder if it is going to happen. On April 13, Eales is quoted in the OxMail as saying: Then on April 19: We can also throw in the comments from January along the lines of: a. The club is unsustainable in current form; b. Darryl can fund it in League 1 all day long, but would struggle higher up; c. The club desperately needs a stadium deal (which we all agree would be an extra £300k max of revenue) So the summary is that: Owing to the player recruitment model we have working well, like Peterborough we can be ‘sustainable’ as a mid-table League 1 club. Sell a player every summer, re-invest some in buying another couple of players, put the rest into a playing budget of £2.8 million that would otherwise see the club lose £1 million and then if you have a Cup run or two you are profitable, like this season. If you don’t you lose a couple of hundred grand and hope for better luck next season. This is all absolutely fine, and after the carnage of the last 20 years, rather admirable. But Darryl cannot quite bring himself to admit that this is the reality. To pump season ticket prices up by 20% a year, he needs to imply – if not state – that they are going to a promotion budget. And likewise to keep MApp on board. The problem is that he has run out of road with this strategy now. You cannot expect to get promoted, and claim that you are ambitious, if you are trying to turn a profit AND plan to sell your best player every summer. And at some point, your manager is going to get deeply p*ssed off that it is being implied to everyone that he is going to have a promotion budget, when in fact he knows that it is a top 8 budget at best. I strongly suspect this is where we are at now - Darryl is making public noises about ambition and budgets, but MApp seems to be making public comments hinting that such a budget isn't immediately forthcoming. So even with a profitable season behind us, a manager who has built a squad which is within touching distance of mounting a decent promotion push, and a buoyant fanbase, it seems that Darryl still can't commit to the funding necessary for that push. So Darryl is caught in a bind entirely of his own making. He either promises MApp money he potentially doesn’t have. Or he cuts his cloth to try to break even or make a profit again, and risks losing his manager and losing face with the supporters who he has bigged himself up to so much. Of course, Marvin Johnson could be his Get out of Jail card. If he can sell him for silly money - £2.5 million, say - then he COULD pump up the budget by 500k, give Appleton 500k to spend on new transfers and keep £1 million to ensure that he more or less breaks even whatever happens.
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Post by thesecretposter on May 5, 2017 11:25:33 GMT
But it wasn't sarcasm, was it? Try and wriggle off the hook after you've been found out. Poor show old lad. Of course it was sarcasm! I can't wriggle out of something that I know was meant. I was sarcastically hinting that a lot of people on here like to think they know the ins and outs of everything. Obviously it's hard for some to decode what the text meant.
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Post by horseman on May 5, 2017 11:40:57 GMT
it would be terrible pr to opt for price increases on the premise of a promotion push under Mapp to then allow him/watch him move on.
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Post by Kris Grebis on May 5, 2017 11:45:21 GMT
I'd have thought one of the main reasons behind raising season ticket prices was to help secure Appleton for next season with a stronger budget.
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Post by osleroad on May 5, 2017 12:32:05 GMT
Yes
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 5, 2017 12:53:58 GMT
It would be in MAPP's interest to stay and complete his own aim then he will know if he is ready for a bigger club, although he genuinely seems to like Oxford and want to stay, a bit of hope in my comment.
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Post by myles on May 5, 2017 13:04:17 GMT
It would be in MAPP's interest to stay and complete his own aim then he will know if he is ready for a bigger club, although he genuinely seems to like Oxford and want to stay, a bit of hope in my comment. It is, provided he gets the backing to achieve that aim. And I believe that is going to be the crucial issue here.
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Post by arthurturner on May 5, 2017 13:24:31 GMT
This is just the Oxford Mail stirring things up.
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Post by yellowfever1 on May 5, 2017 13:28:04 GMT
The only benefit to MAPP leaving is that Sercombe would stay. It's just not worth it.
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Post by Mark on May 5, 2017 13:34:40 GMT
When he joined and Eales was asked if a successful team meant the manager might be at risk of leaving, I think this was handed over to Appleton who said he needed a good three year track record to cover for his three previous clubs.
So three years is up now. I wouldn't hold him to a quote as circumstances change, but I think that you could now see Appleton doing a Roofe. He's proved what he can do when given time and resources to get from L2 to L1, but the question is could he do this again at a higher level and would it be with OUFC?
After being rollocked by Ferguson for joining the wrong clubs without doing his due diligence, he won't go to the first club offering a pay rise, but would I think want at L1 level a top 3 budget, and above that level decent training ground facilities, and more backroom staff so he could focus more on being head coach.
Surprised no-ones mentioned Eastleigh yet.
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Post by scotchegg on May 5, 2017 14:00:42 GMT
MApp is a good manager. No denying that. But is he guaranteed to walk into a bigger and more secure job?
Premiership clubs and Championship contenders tend to go for foreign managers or established British managers like Pardew. When you look to the rest of the Championships, many clubs have a revolving door policy to management without any promise of success. It has taken MApp a long time to rebuild his cv, why throw that away with 6 months at Birmingham, or 10 games at Leeds?
MApp is pretty well supported at Oxford financially, with a fairly competitive budget, fairly realistic expectations and the general support of fans, players and chairman. There are plenty of worse places to be.
Personally, I hope we keep MApp. I also hope we keep Chris Maguire, Marvin Johnson, Johnnie Lundstrum, Ryan Ledson etc. But we can not be held to ransom by any of them.
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Post by bazzer9461 on May 5, 2017 14:04:21 GMT
It would be in MAPP's interest to stay and complete his own aim then he will know if he is ready for a bigger club, although he genuinely seems to like Oxford and want to stay, a bit of hope in my comment. It is, provided he gets the backing to achieve that aim. And I believe that is going to be the crucial issue here. Well let's hope DE carries on giving the backing he has given since he has been here
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Post by oxfordmitch on May 5, 2017 17:03:22 GMT
While MAPP has been nothing short of phenomenal for OUFC, he still owes Darryl Eales for reigniting his career and keeping faith in him during his first season as well as putting his hand in his pocket to give him a nice budget.
I would suggest there are not many better bosses to work under in football.
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Post by dabigfella on May 5, 2017 17:17:26 GMT
Appleton strikes me as the sort of man who would use the well known phrase "I've started so I'll finish".
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Post by tatabanya on May 5, 2017 17:27:19 GMT
While MAPP has been nothing short of phenomenal for OUFC, he still owes Darryl Eales for reigniting his career and keeping faith in him during his first season as well as putting his hand in his pocket to give him a nice budget. I would suggest there are not many better bosses to work under in football. Hasn't he repaid Darryl by taking his business and making it successful (albeit not profitable)?
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Post by themightyaldo on May 5, 2017 17:50:44 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if both Eagles and Appleton left and who could blame them.
Because Eagles has been unable to buy the stadium his project to be like Brighton will collapse so,I think he will cut his losses and try with another club who could be in our division or one of the smaller clubs in the Championship
He could persuade Mapp to join him and then he could achieve what he wants.
Not sure who owns Bristol City but with Ashton already there and them just avoiding the drop,they could both end up there.
I really do believe that Kassams reluctance to sell the stadium will really hinder whoever is in charge and in the long term that means we are unable to progress any further than where we are now.
Eagles must realise this and so will Mapp.
It was good while it lasted
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Post by oufcyellows on May 5, 2017 18:08:59 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if both Eagles and Appleton left and who could blame them. Because Eagles has been unable to buy the stadium his project to be like Brighton will collapse so,I think he will cut his losses and try with another club who could be in our division or one of the smaller clubs in the Championship He could persuade Mapp to join him and then he could achieve what he wants. Not sure who owns Bristol City but with Ashton already there and them just avoiding the drop,they could both end up there. I really do believe that Kassams reluctance to sell the stadium will really hinder whoever is in charge and in the long term that means we are unable to progress any further than where we are now. Eagles must realise this and so will Mapp. It was good while it lasted
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Post by manor96 on May 5, 2017 18:16:46 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if both Eagles and Appleton left and who could blame them. Because Eagles has been unable to buy the stadium his project to be like Brighton will collapse so,I think he will cut his losses and try with another club who could be in our division or one of the smaller clubs in the Championship He could persuade Mapp to join him and then he could achieve what he wants. Not sure who owns Bristol City but with Ashton already there and them just avoiding the drop,they could both end up there. I really do believe that Kassams reluctance to sell the stadium will really hinder whoever is in charge and in the long term that means we are unable to progress any further than where we are now. Eagles must realise this and so will Mapp. It was good while it lasted 'Eagles' is not even the most stupid part of this comment. Bristol City are owned by Steve Lansdown. He is not only a billionaire (net worth of over £1.5 billion) but also a lifelong fan. Chances of him selling up to Eales? Slim.
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