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Post by yellowox29 (BANNED) on Apr 3, 2017 10:51:35 GMT
And well done to those who stuck to their principles and were not tempted by Wembley. They deserve just as much respect. Principles over supporting your team when they needed it? Never. A fan is a true fan whatever the tournament,you support the team not the tournament, Didnt I see a picture of you in Dubai?
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Post by oxford84 on Apr 3, 2017 11:07:51 GMT
And well done to those who stuck to their principles and were not tempted by Wembley. They deserve just as much respect. Thank you. It is appreciated. Wembley is an awful place to watch football. Wudnt waste my hard earned on a day out @ the national dump, playing in a meaningless match, in a competition that is meaningless. Says a meaningless c*nt of a poster.
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Post by essexyellows on Apr 3, 2017 11:11:35 GMT
I have a minging hangover...... just saying..
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Post by minime on Apr 3, 2017 11:13:28 GMT
We were very, very poor today. Only Lunny,, Sercombe and Rothwell made any real effort. Hall has been too lightweight in the vast majority of big games including today. His effort when one on one was shocking. Johnson was marked out of the game and why did we keep passing it backwards when close to their penalty box? We need to find replacements for Edwards, Dunkley, a left back as Johnson can't play there, Hall and we need to sign McAleny and another forward as Hemming isn't up to it. It would be good to see Ribeiro given the start in the remaining games, to give Mapp a chance to evaluate him before next season. I still strongly believe DE and Mapp are great for our club, but we will need to strengthen the squad significantly if next season is going to be a promotion push. March and today has shown we are not ready to go up. Rothwell??? Watching a different game to me then
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Post by dabigfella on Apr 3, 2017 11:24:58 GMT
Agreed many of the players underperformed yesterday. But Appleton certainly didn't help. Too many square pegs in round holes. Johnson never has been and never will be a left back and as a consequence he left Dunkley in a mess a number of times (though it has to be said Dunkley had a poor all round game). Rothwell never has been and never will be a winger. Hemmings never has been and never will be able to play the lone forward. And what system were we playing? 4-4-2, or 4-4-1-1, or what happened most of the match 4-5-1. Playing two holding midfielders in Rothwell and Ledson caused confusion.
In contrast Coventry did not have any players with the ability of Oxford's players. But they had a strict, well organised 4-4-2 formation and each player knew his place in it. Hence the result.
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Post by concretebob on Apr 3, 2017 11:25:14 GMT
Thank you. It is appreciated. Wembley is an awful place to watch football. Wudnt waste my hard earned on a day out @ the national dump, playing in a meaningless match, in a competition that is meaningless. Says a meaningless c*nt of a poster. No need for that.
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Post by winchesterox on Apr 3, 2017 11:26:41 GMT
Ok it was disappointing but not worth all the overreaction. We lost because: 1) They took their chances well and although not a great side they stuck to the task 2) We were tired from a demanding season 3) We do not have a large squad 4) Their support was larger and provided more encouragement for the players, as typified by Lunny's arm waving 5) I did not drink my morning coffee out of my Manor mug All the above with varying degrees of plausibility. I don't think you can blame the size of the squad when a fresh player in Sercombe was left on the bench, and Martinez hasn't been playing much recently either, we could have 10 more players and they could all be left on the bench, what would that do?? Martinez unavailable? Forgot to add: 6) Players coming back from injury and still not 100% I.e. Mags
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Post by Young Money on Apr 3, 2017 11:28:08 GMT
I don't think you can blame the size of the squad when a fresh player in Sercombe was left on the bench, and Martinez hasn't been playing much recently either, we could have 10 more players and they could all be left on the bench, what would that do?? Martinez unavailable? Forgot to add: 6) Players coming back from injury and still not 100% I.e. Mags That's my point, Martinez could have played in earlier games and thus Hemmings would be rested. No point in blaming the size of the squad when it's not used
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Post by sarge on Apr 3, 2017 11:36:43 GMT
the Ian Hislop, with hair lookalike referereealong with his assistant missed one hell of a foul in their pen area in the first half... not the push on Hemmings which was one of those 50/50 decision that are sometimes given & sometimes not... the manhandling of Nelson for his header, by former scummer jordan turnbull ( who was sent off in the JPT v Oxford in 2015), who evidently, ( after watching the incident on C5 highlights last night at 12 midnight- couldnt see from the opposite end at the game, and the big screen replay there managed to omit it!), didnt want to wait for the final whistle to swap shirts, instead he had a handful of the front of Curtis' shirt ( close to his neck)in the 16 yard box, as he was about to go for the header. For me stonewall pen and red card ....albeit in retrospect.
Any wonder Nelson's header went slightly awry?
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 3, 2017 11:38:02 GMT
Forgot to add: 6) Players coming back from injury and still not 100% I.e. Mags I'm not at all convinced that Maguire was fit enough (or in form good enough) to warrant a start. It was a bit of a strange selection (among a few odd choices Appleton made) given that he had apparently only trained once.
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Post by amershamdave on Apr 3, 2017 11:41:27 GMT
I agree with your post, Sarge, with an additional............aaaarrrggghhh! we were horrible. UUrrgghh!
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Post by eighteen93 on Apr 3, 2017 11:51:33 GMT
Forgot to add: 6) Players coming back from injury and still not 100% I.e. Mags I'm not at all convinced that Maguire was fit enough (or in form good enough) to warrant a start. It was a bit of a strange selection (among a few odd choices Appleton made) given that he had apparently only trained once. Thought Maguire was OK. Let's not forget the ball he played through to Hemmings to run on to in the second half - Hemmings lacked speed and turned back out after failing to dummy the defender (willis) who did well.
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Post by uptheus on Apr 3, 2017 12:09:16 GMT
Rothwell had a good game and worked hard, but forbtge life if me I never understood why he didn't over-lap Johnson? May be because he's not a natural winger.
Also so frustrating that Johnson hardly ever took on their last man. Said to my son early on that he had that billy big bollox attitude look!
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Post by dubaiyellow on Apr 3, 2017 12:26:47 GMT
Agreed many of the players underperformed yesterday. But Appleton certainly didn't help. Too many square pegs in round holes. Johnson never has been and never will be a left back and as a consequence he left Dunkley in a mess a number of times (though it has to be said Dunkley had a poor all round game). Rothwell never has been and never will be a winger. Hemmings never has been and never will be able to play the lone forward. And what system were we playing? 4-4-2, or 4-4-1-1, or what happened most of the match 4-5-1. Playing two holding midfielders in Rothwell and Ledson caused confusion. In contrast Coventry did not have any players with the ability of Oxford's players. But they had a strict, well organised 4-4-2 formation and each player knew his place in it. Hence the result. Think we will all agree it was a bad day at the office and im sure MAPP isnt one to shy away from taking some of the responsibility. Lets not forget, he, just like the young team are still learning and, although its not great to lose 2 Wembley finals on the trot, better we learn from these games rather than losing something a bit more important like a play off final.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 3, 2017 12:45:30 GMT
I'm not at all convinced that Maguire was fit enough (or in form good enough) to warrant a start. It was a bit of a strange selection (among a few odd choices Appleton made) given that he had apparently only trained once. Thought Maguire was OK. Let's not forget the ball he played through to Hemmings to run on to in the second half - Hemmings lacked speed and turned back out after failing to dummy the defender (willis) who did well. Yes that was a good pass. And his free kick was very decent as well. But in general, I thought he lacked energy, was more prepared to go backward than forward and wasn't his normal self. I thought his lack of fitness showed because every time he got the ball any speed at all we had in the attack just evaporated. The last two sentences could be equally applied to more than just Maguire though. The niggling thought is that Appleton wants him here next season and denying him a Wembley appearance wouldn't have helped matters....
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Post by dubaiyellow on Apr 3, 2017 12:56:39 GMT
Thought Maguire was OK. Let's not forget the ball he played through to Hemmings to run on to in the second half - Hemmings lacked speed and turned back out after failing to dummy the defender (willis) who did well. Yes that was a good pass. And his free kick was very decent as well. But in general, I thought he lacked energy, was more prepared to go backward than forward and wasn't his normal self. I thought his lack of fitness showed because every time he got the ball any speed at all we had in the attack just evaporated. The last two sentences could be equally applied to more than just Maguire though. The niggling thought is that Appleton wants him here next season and denying him a Wembley appearance wouldn't have helped matters.... Who wouldnt have played him? (Maguire), we have a thread bare squad and surely (in MAPPs head) the only decision to be made yesterday was Rothwell or Sercombe?. Dont think he will suffer fools for long, Maguire may be one of our more creative options but he is not irreplaceable.
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Post by scottie on Apr 3, 2017 13:02:29 GMT
In hindsight I think MAP was a little slow to react, the substitution for Ledson to be replaced by Sercombe should have been done at halftime, I would have also changed Rothwell for Skarz and moved Johnson up to the wing also at halftime. This would have provided a far greater attacking threat and stabilized the defence by giving Dunks the much needed support playing on the left. He could then have changed Edwards for Riberio if steady eddie did not improve during the next 20.
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Post by londonroader on Apr 3, 2017 13:18:30 GMT
Desire...
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 3, 2017 13:19:46 GMT
A fit Maguire would have been in everyone's starting line up. A Maguire who looked as off the pace as he did on Sunday is perhaps a different matter.
Of course, this is said with the benefit of hindsight and it is easy to be wise after the event!
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Post by scottie on Apr 3, 2017 13:35:37 GMT
A fit Maguire would have been in everyone's starting line up. A Maguire who looked as off the pace as he did on Sunday is perhaps a different matter. Of course, this is said with the benefit of hindsight and it is easy to be wise after the event! Unfortunately Mapp did not have many options for this game and the lack of forward players available meant that he had to play Maguire. It really highlights just how thin the squad is. Also think it was the weakest bench we have seen this season, so we needed everyone, especially Hemmings and Maguire to perform well.
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Post by yellowsarmy on Apr 3, 2017 14:03:56 GMT
And well done to those who stuck to their principles and were not tempted by Wembley. They deserve just as much respect. Principles over supporting your team when they needed it? Never. A fan is a true fan whatever the tournament,you support the team not the tournament, As i said I supported the team at Macclesfield, Remember a pointless end of season game in the conference at Ebsfleet watching Matt Green score and was there at Mertesham and away at birmingham for the league cup. I hope you were mr sussex ox supporting the team otherwise your just a part time supporter (maybe even an owner of a half and half scarf) and in no position to critisise those of us who were. Thanks Concrete I am pleased to have stuck out my protest against this rediculous trophy now now we need our club (and others) to actually vote against it happening next year now!
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Post by sussox on Apr 3, 2017 14:46:18 GMT
Principles over supporting your team when they needed it? Never. A fan is a true fan whatever the tournament,you support the team not the tournament, Didnt I see a picture of you in Dubai? Those that could have been there, but boycotted.
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Post by bigfella72 on Apr 3, 2017 15:45:23 GMT
A fit Maguire would have been in everyone's starting line up. A Maguire who looked as off the pace as he did on Sunday is perhaps a different matter. Of course, this is said with the benefit of hindsight and it is easy to be wise after the event! Unfortunately Mapp did not have many options for this game and the lack of forward players available meant that he had to play Maguire. It really highlights just how thin the squad is. Also think it was the weakest bench we have seen this season, so we needed everyone, especially Hemmings and Maguire to perform well. Not 100% true as Skarz at LB could have meant Mags on the bench if not fit!
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Post by lambchop on Apr 3, 2017 16:02:09 GMT
Everyone desearves respect whether they went or not.... can we drop this rubbish now?
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Post by chippsy on Apr 3, 2017 16:04:15 GMT
And well done to those who stuck to their principles and were not tempted by Wembley. They deserve just as much respect. Thank you. It is appreciated. Wembley is an awful place to watch football. Wudnt waste my hard earned on a day out @ the national dump, playing in a meaningless match, in a competition that is meaningless. Almost as meaningless and as trashy as many of your posts then. You don't like Wembley and you think the Checkatrade is meaningless. we get it. Get over yourself and stop going on about it. Cue Concretebob to stick up for this irritating poster. Starting to wonder if these two are related.
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Post by socrates on Apr 3, 2017 16:39:07 GMT
And well done to those who stuck to their principles and were not tempted by Wembley. They deserve just as much respect. Principles over supporting your team when they needed it? Never. A fan is a true fan whatever the tournament,you support the team not the tournament, Sorry, didn't want to have to raise this again but have to have a say here. Sussox, one of the reasons for the boycott was to do exactly what you are moaning about: supporting the team. Boycotters boycotted because they were supporting the right of their team to exist, not to be swallowed up or sidelined by B teams. To stand up against the might of the Premier League and to say enough is enough. Ok, it failed. But there you go. As soon as that cretin Harvey started boasting about 70k at Wembley the battle was lost. A shame.
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 3, 2017 17:09:30 GMT
Principles over supporting your team when they needed it? Never. A fan is a true fan whatever the tournament,you support the team not the tournament, Sorry, didn't want to have to raise this again but have to have a say here. Sussox, one of the reasons for the boycott was to do exactly what you are moaning about: supporting the team. Boycotters boycotted because they were supporting the right of their team to exist, not to be swallowed up or sidelined by B teams. To stand up against the might of the Premier League and to say enough is enough. Ok, it failed. But there you go. As soon as that cretin Harvey started boasting about 70k at Wembley the battle was lost. A shame. Isn't that the point though? Harvey would have boasted about pretty any figure over 30k he could even have used it to his advantage if it was less saying how it's lucky the prize pot is bigger or them teams wouldn't have done as well. The boycott was never going to win directly. The only way it could possibly work is to appeal strongly to each individual club. To ours it did with Darryl promising to vote no as a club in a few weeks time. If other clubs equally listen to their fans then it won't matter a shit what that pillock thinks.
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Post by Young Money on Apr 3, 2017 17:13:52 GMT
A fit Maguire would have been in everyone's starting line up. A Maguire who looked as off the pace as he did on Sunday is perhaps a different matter. Of course, this is said with the benefit of hindsight and it is easy to be wise after the event! Unfortunately Mapp did not have many options for this game and the lack of forward players available meant that he had to play Maguire. It really highlights just how thin the squad is. Also think it was the weakest bench we have seen this season, so we needed everyone, especially Hemmings and Maguire to perform well. People keep saying this but it's just wrong, wrong, wrong! It's weird! A fully fit Skarz at left back. Johnson in his better position wide left. Sercombe on the right. And Rothwell in his preferred position behind the striker! The squad is NOT so threadbare that playing a half fit and dosed up on painkillers Maguire was the only option.
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Post by concretebob on Apr 3, 2017 18:20:04 GMT
Sorry, didn't want to have to raise this again but have to have a say here. Sussox, one of the reasons for the boycott was to do exactly what you are moaning about: supporting the team. Boycotters boycotted because they were supporting the right of their team to exist, not to be swallowed up or sidelined by B teams. To stand up against the might of the Premier League and to say enough is enough. Ok, it failed. But there you go. As soon as that cretin Harvey started boasting about 70k at Wembley the battle was lost. A shame. Isn't that the point though? Harvey would have boasted about pretty any figure over 30k he could even have used it to his advantage if it was less saying how it's lucky the prize pot is bigger or them teams wouldn't have done as well. The boycott was never going to win directly. The only way it could possibly work is to appeal strongly to each individual club. To ours it did with Darryl promising to vote no as a club in a few weeks time. If other clubs equally listen to their fans then it won't matter a shit what that pillock thinks. I really do hope DE sticks to his word - must admit I totally trust him to deliver the correct vote. He appears to be a man of principle
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 3, 2017 18:24:51 GMT
Isn't that the point though? Harvey would have boasted about pretty any figure over 30k he could even have used it to his advantage if it was less saying how it's lucky the prize pot is bigger or them teams wouldn't have done as well. The boycott was never going to win directly. The only way it could possibly work is to appeal strongly to each individual club. To ours it did with Darryl promising to vote no as a club in a few weeks time. If other clubs equally listen to their fans then it won't matter a shit what that pillock thinks. I really do hope DE sticks to his word - must admit I totally trust him to deliver the correct vote. He appears to be a man of principle So do I , I think many felt let down after we voted for it last time, after twice now saying it was just a trial, and now that we won't vote for it again. Go against that and the shit will hit the fan big time
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