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Post by Young Money on Apr 3, 2017 7:45:56 GMT
Ok it was disappointing but not worth all the overreaction. We lost because: 1) They took their chances well and although not a great side they stuck to the task 2) We were tired from a demanding season 3) We do not have a large squad 4) Their support was larger and provided more encouragement for the players, as typified by Lunny's arm waving 5) I did not drink my morning coffee out of my Manor mug All the above with varying degrees of plausibility. I don't think you can blame the size of the squad when a fresh player in Sercombe was left on the bench, and Martinez hasn't been playing much recently either, we could have 10 more players and they could all be left on the bench, what would that do??
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 3, 2017 7:50:25 GMT
It's all just shit. If anyone's read the programme notes as well,!?!! arrgh. Made me wish I'd fckin boycotted. I think the more I brood upon today's events the worse I feel Beggars my imagination about what you thought you'd find in the programme notes. I bet you paid for them as well. Anyway, well done those of us who went to Wembley, they'll be calling us the silent sell-outs when B-teams enter the league.
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Post by outsidethebox on Apr 3, 2017 7:59:35 GMT
MApp was very subdued and disappointed in his post match interview, as you'd expect. Candid, as usual, but intimated there was a lot to learn about his squad from the display. Another lightbulb moment maybe, but he doesn't dole out many second chances to those who let him down on the big stage. Be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out.
Regarding the match, with the benefit of hindsight I wonder if Skarz or Ruffels should have started at left back allowing Johnson to get at Cov further forward? He was allowed little time to run from deep. Starting in a more advanced position reduces the margin of error when defending against him. Add in the nervous edge of a Final and we may well have benefited.
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Post by outsidethebox on Apr 3, 2017 8:03:43 GMT
Ok it was disappointing but not worth all the overreaction. We lost because: 1) They took their chances well and although not a great side they stuck to the task 2) We were tired from a demanding season 3) We do not have a large squad 4) Their support was larger and provided more encouragement for the players, as typified by Lunny's arm waving 5) I did not drink my morning coffee out of my Manor mug All the above with varying degrees of plausibility. If these are in the order of likely prominence to the result, then 5 should be 1. Schoolboy error for which you will doubtless be getting a call from MApp for!
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Post by 54-46 on Apr 3, 2017 8:16:14 GMT
MApp was very subdued and disappointed in his post match interview, as you'd expect. Candid, as usual, but intimated there was a lot to learn about his squad from the display. Another lightbulb moment maybe, but he doesn't dole out many second chances to those who let him down on the big stage. Be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out. Regarding the match, with the benefit of hindsight I wonder if Skarz or Ruffels should have started at left back allowing Johnson to get at Cov further forward? He was allowed little time to run from deep. Starting in a more advanced position reduces the margin of error when defending against him. Add in the nervous edge of a Final and we may well have benefited. I thought Marvin Johnson looked too disciplined at lb at times. Would've been great to seen him more advanced. Hemings had a mare, but to be fair he was very well marked, and isolated from team mates. As someone else said Mapp will've take note of those that didn't perform, and interesting summer ahead. As DE said at the gathering afterwards, the word Bugger springs to mind. Anyway, win or lose - up the U's.
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Post by essexyellows on Apr 3, 2017 8:16:21 GMT
As always some good comments on here, and some odd ones too :-) They were very lucky with the first goal. The ricochet could've gone anywhere but dropped at his feet. Good touch and finish tho. Could we have been tighter to him on the cross? Deffo a pen on Hemings. But at the time I thought it was shoulder to shoulder. So I'll let the ref off. Great second goal for them! We had several very good chances to score and really should've been level if not in front. But if you don't take the shot or hit the target you can never score. How did the ball stay out at the end! Arrrrh. In general Not just yesterday but in many games this season we don't have it right in the final 3rd. Not enough players getting forward to support the 1 up front. The Commentators said the same thing. I think this is something we need desperately to sort out next season. If we want to go up. The first real save I remember their keeper making was about an hour into the game! That's why the fans didn't sing. I've said it before an I'll say it again. Atmosphere is generated by the football on the pitch fuelling the fans excitement. Sure you can start off singing and being excited but when your team doesn't even force a proper save from the keeper until the second half it's hard. The amount of times we could've shot but opted to pass was incredible. I don't think we can realistically make the playoffs. I don't think we're good enough consistently to win through the playoffs even if we did get there. Sorry. Saved me some ink... spot on.
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Post by ontheup01 on Apr 3, 2017 8:16:21 GMT
I watched the game on Sky today. These are my thoughts. Nelson looked class, I like seeing him take the ball up field. Our only real success in attacking terms was channeling the play through Marvin down the left. Hemmings was largely isolated and he just isn't that kind of a striker. Would of been nice to see more affective play between Hall, Maguire and Rothwell in the final third. Dunkley seemed to loose his cool today and looked a little shaken, I think his confidence is low atm. Lundstrum played well, shame he can't shoot for toffee, he had a few chances. Sercs showed the character from a promotion winning side. We dominated large swathes of the game but were ineffectual with it. Cov took there chances, had a little luck and defended for their lives. If only McAleny was legible to play! Obviously a disappointing day but great atmoshere at a fairly full stadium. Only a couple of players had decent games such as Eastward and Nelson. Unfortunately so many just huffed and puffed but didn't show the composure, quality and pace required. For me our biggest weakness was on the flanks. Our fullbacks did not join in and get overlaps in when the wide players had the ball. we just failed to out number their FBs and get to the bye line for crosses. As such Hemings had no decent service to work with and instead had to resort to playing the strong lone front man, which he failed in miserably. Johnson had a poor game by his standards just a few flashes of his quality. but Edwards offered nothing. Nearly all his forward passes went astray, which is maybe why he simply ducks responsibility and passes backwards most of the time to Nelson. Their winger skinned him so many times including the build up for the second. Thought Sercs brought so much needed energy and confidence to just go for it. Crowd went nuts when he scored. They weren't a good side but in the end our performance and their effort won them the game. The match showed clearly where we need replacements if we want to push for promotion next season. hey hoy, on to Wed and an important fixture in our faint hope of playoffs.
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Post by concretebob on Apr 3, 2017 8:20:11 GMT
It's all just shit. If anyone's read the programme notes as well,!?!! arrgh. Made me wish I'd fckin boycotted. I think the more I brood upon today's events the worse I feel Beggars my imagination about what you thought you'd find in the programme notes. I bet you paid for them as well. Anyway, well done those of us who went to Wembley, they'll be calling us the silent sell-outs when B-teams enter the league. And well done to those who stuck to their principles and were not tempted by Wembley. They deserve just as much respect.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 3, 2017 8:23:11 GMT
Yeah, none as well.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 3, 2017 8:23:43 GMT
Yeah, none as well. But high marks for being s smug bastard.
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Post by concretebob on Apr 3, 2017 8:24:22 GMT
Yeah, none as well. But high marks for being s smug bastard. How does that make me a smug bastard?
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Post by eighteen93 on Apr 3, 2017 8:26:34 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04xmryp#playAppleton's post match interview (16 minutes 30 seconds in) Very low - as low as he's ever been in management - and his mind is now made up on players it seems.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 3, 2017 8:28:41 GMT
In truth, I agree with you. But why be so quick to justify yourself bob?
You did seem a touch smug to me, plenty others will explain why they think that, in their normal rational, unself-righteous and polite manner.
Sunday afternoon in a mausoleum full of gentry anyway.
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Post by concretebob on Apr 3, 2017 8:31:38 GMT
In truth, I agree with you. But why be so quick to justify yourself bob? You did seem a touch smug to me, plenty others will explain why they think that, in their normal rational, unself-righteous and polite manner. Sunday afternoon in a mausoleum full of gentry anyway. Well I apologise if I've come across that way. I have nothing against anyone who went.
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Post by Young Money on Apr 3, 2017 8:32:48 GMT
It's a really sad moment when Nathan says 'I've never seen you this down Michael' - he sounds genuinely concerned!!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 3, 2017 8:33:40 GMT
Well I apologise if I've come across that way. I have nothing against anyone who went. No need to apologise to me old lad.
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Post by Junior on Apr 3, 2017 8:43:23 GMT
It's a really sad moment when Nathan says 'I've never seen you this down Michael' - he sounds genuinely concerned!! With the greatest respect to Appleton he needs to (I'm sure he will in time) hold his hands up and say he got the team and tactics wrong.
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Post by makv on Apr 3, 2017 8:44:50 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04xmryp#playAppleton's post match interview (16 minutes 30 seconds in) Very low - as low as he's ever been in management - and his mind is now made up on players it seems. "No one will learn more from this game than I will". Ouch.
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Post by trainingcone on Apr 3, 2017 8:50:05 GMT
What a disappointment yesterday.
A match which Oxford chucked away. Coventry were more up for it. 1st half and the first 10-15 minutes of the second were poor. When the second goal went in I felt we could end up losing 3 of 4 nil we were on the ropes. Appleton did the right thing in bringing Sercombe on. Oxford seemed to get themselves mentally back into the match, especially after Sercombe's goal. We had 2 -3 gilt edge chances to equalise and even win the game, we had the momentum and if Hall scored I think we would have won as Coventry would have capitulated.
Tough ask now to make the playoffs this season, but it's still worth a shot.
We've done well this season. We've got the right people running our club and DE has said that the playing budget for next season will increase. Things are looking bright.
COME ON YOU YELLOWS
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Post by pottersrightboot on Apr 3, 2017 8:58:19 GMT
The main reason we lost is that our two best players were not fit.
Maguire conned his way through the game, still partly influential though.
Johnson was at 70% pace - at best.
Can see us winning on Weds though - with the other 2 forwards back.
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Post by cowleylad on Apr 3, 2017 9:26:37 GMT
After a 20 hour trip leaving home at 4.30am and arriving back at 12.30am i feel the same frustration as most on here, i agree Johnson should have been left midfield but for most of the first half he was in acres of space and the passes he received were either behind him or to a standing position, there was space to put the ball 10yds in front of him and let him take them on. I was disappointed with Hemmings but he obviously needed help, would it not have been Worth keeping James Roberts around for this competition to at least have had a striker on the bench. We only got going after the 2nd goal and we still created enough to win the game.
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Post by chippy on Apr 3, 2017 9:28:12 GMT
Lots of knee jerk reactions...as usual..on here. I watched it back last evening when home. Interesting pundit comments too. Also Robins felt they were largely chasing the ball and would have struggled had we equalised. The general consensus..and after second viewing I concur..was that Hemmings needed runners around and beyond him and they were slightly critical of Hall, Maguire and Rothwell in that respect. I felt Hall was overawed by the occasion and had his poorest game. Also, when he was one on one for the chance of an equaliser he lacked any conviction but the easier option was to square to an unmarked Hemmings for a tap in. They felt Johnson was very good and he seemed to have a better game..not brilliant but better..than I thought live. Hemmings worked hard but missed a half chance near the end. He has neither the pace or aerial prowess to play a lone role. We missed McAleny cos Maguire does not play the no 10 role properly. He drifts into midfield and wide but rarely got around or beyond Kane. On replay it should have been a penalty. Clear shove in the back on Hemmings in slow mo. Clear improvement when Sercs came on. Not just his goal but his energy. Out of contract and listening to interview can see him leaving. Hope I am wrong. The last min golden chance was bizarre. Great reaction save from Ruffles header but though laying on the ground Edwards had an open goal 1 yard out but somehow scooped it to only defender standing on opposite side of the goal. For those continuing to disown the competition it bas earned the club close to a million. That will come in very handy in the transfer window, I imagine. Result not the end of the world but performance was disappointing. DE Said last week its around £500k income we don't budget for. Your other comments are all spot on imo.
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Post by canterburyexile on Apr 3, 2017 9:45:45 GMT
Chippy, I think Darryl estimated £500,000 from the final. We had prize money and semis TV money to add so maybe £700,000 optimistically. The rest would be unbudgetted cash from Cup runs and TV live games.
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Post by sussox on Apr 3, 2017 9:51:33 GMT
Beggars my imagination about what you thought you'd find in the programme notes. I bet you paid for them as well. Anyway, well done those of us who went to Wembley, they'll be calling us the silent sell-outs when B-teams enter the league. And well done to those who stuck to their principles and were not tempted by Wembley. They deserve just as much respect. Principles over supporting your team when they needed it? Never. A fan is a true fan whatever the tournament,you support the team not the tournament,
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 3, 2017 10:00:35 GMT
Thought I heard the smug bastard alarm going off.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Apr 3, 2017 10:07:09 GMT
Obviously a disappointing day but great atmoshere at a fairly full stadium. Only a couple of players had decent games such as Eastward and Nelson. Unfortunately so many just huffed and puffed but didn't show the composure, quality and pace required. For me our biggest weakness was on the flanks. Our fullbacks did not join in and get overlaps in when the wide players had the ball. we just failed to out number their FBs and get to the bye line for crosses. As such Hemings had no decent service to work with and instead had to resort to playing the strong lone front man, which he failed in miserably. Johnson had a poor game by his standards just a few flashes of his quality. but Edwards offered nothing. Nearly all his forward passes went astray, which is maybe why he simply ducks responsibility and passes backwards most of the time to Nelson. Their winger skinned him so many times including the build up for the second. Thought Sercs brought so much needed energy and confidence to just go for it. Crowd went nuts when he scored. They weren't a good side but in the end our performance and their effort won them the game. The match showed clearly where we need replacements if we want to push for promotion next season. hey hoy, on to Wed and an important fixture in our faint hope of playoffs. As I saw it too.. we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory with a poor performance all round on the day... I have been a fan of Edwards this season as generally he's done a Job...but yesterday he was very poor he just didn't have the pace.. Why Mapp didn't give Ribs a run out is strange..his pace and attacking game on the right could have been just what was needed yesterday to stem the threat on the left flank and perhaps provide Hemmings with something to go at.....should have been brought on the same time as Sercs... Still that kick up the arse by the divisions whipping boys is perhaps just what we need .. we have an outside chance of the Play-Offs and its obviously a tall order but we might just do it now the distraction of Wembley is out of the way.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Apr 3, 2017 10:17:13 GMT
I can only despair at the amount of miserable knuckle draggers on here..they must have been born over the border in deliverance county..
To travel to the metropolis and watch your team in a league cup final ( of any description ) at the national stadium is the dogs as far as I'm concerned...I'm sure Coventry fans and players felt that way...
Shame on all you fair weather supporters suggesting a boycott..have a long look at yourselves in the mirror.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 3, 2017 10:25:52 GMT
I can only despair at the number of despairers on here. Perhaps it's the remorse. Who can say? I can. I won't. That's that. Bye bye.
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Post by horseman on Apr 3, 2017 10:37:53 GMT
And well done to those who stuck to their principles and were not tempted by Wembley. They deserve just as much respect. Principles over supporting your team when they needed it? Never. A fan is a true fan whatever the tournament,you support the team not the tournament, That being the case then, where were the 30,000 in the earlier rounds? as i've said on a previous thread when out of the league what we would give to see the likes of Bolton Sheff utd etc yet very few turned up for those preferring a day out at wembley. you cannot have it both ways.
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Post by yellowox29 (BANNED) on Apr 3, 2017 10:49:21 GMT
Beggars my imagination about what you thought you'd find in the programme notes. I bet you paid for them as well. Anyway, well done those of us who went to Wembley, they'll be calling us the silent sell-outs when B-teams enter the league. And well done to those who stuck to their principles and were not tempted by Wembley. They deserve just as much respect. Thank you. It is appreciated. Wembley is an awful place to watch football. Wudnt waste my hard earned on a day out @ the national dump, playing in a meaningless match, in a competition that is meaningless.
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