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Post by kclass on Feb 6, 2011 20:17:29 GMT
Dismayed to overhear someone stating that he "should have gone to the EDL march instead" at Gillingham yesterday.
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 6, 2011 20:34:21 GMT
Dont believe all the bad stuff you hear about the EDL. There are a small amount of racist people who attach themselves to the EDL, but they are a non racist organisation and have done a lot of work to get rid of racists. Yesterday, when 4,000 EDL supporters protested in Luton, it was peaceful. The lefties want you to believe the EDL are racist thugs, but it isnt true. A lot of women and older people attend demos. Have a look at this from yesterday, worth listening to it all www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHoG_o-P_rw&feature=autofb
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Post by agioliver on Feb 6, 2011 21:05:02 GMT
I'm not sure that the 'Islam is Evil' banners agree with you
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 6, 2011 21:07:34 GMT
I'm not sure that the 'Islam is Evil' banners agree with you Parts of Islam are evil, just read the Koran. The English Defence League are not targeting Islam or Muslims, but certain sections. There is a lot that goes on that people dont see, but the EDL bring it to peoples attention, and they are gaining a lot of support
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 6, 2011 21:20:30 GMT
I'm not sure that the 'Islam is Evil' banners agree with you Parts of Islam are evil, just read the Koran. The English Defence League are not targeting Islam or Muslims, but certain sections. There is a lot that goes on that people dont see, but the EDL bring it to peoples attention, and they are gaining a lot of support A dangerous thing for you to say. I think unless your an expert "just reading the Koran" is difficult as it is written in Arabic and does not translate to English that well (so i am told) so needs to be interpreted in English carefully! I have no doubt that the EDL's original message of standing up to fundamentalist Islam is a good one and I would think that most Britians feel the same. However, they clearly have some racist elements which can't be denied and this is why so many people don't like them but their main problem is that they are full of street thugs (racist or not) ie football hooligans who who don't appear to be able to translate the original message to the masses very well! I would not attend an EDL march as i am not comfortable associating with either racists or thugs.
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Post by concretebob on Feb 6, 2011 21:21:02 GMT
All we need now is dannyc to pop up.
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Feb 6, 2011 21:21:06 GMT
A miserable 4000 people hardly counts as "lots of support"
They are supported by women and children? Great, so were the Nazis.
Parts of the Koran are evil - could say the same about pretty much any ancient religious text.
I don't mind taking on religious bigotry, but the way the EDL portarys Islam, basically all muslims are guilty until proven innocent.
The EDL are going to educate us? You're having a joke. Did you hear their "leader" on Newsnight? Yes, there is an element of middle class patronism that sniggers at the uneducated working class EDL member trying to get their head round complicated subjects, but there is nothing virtuous in what are, in effect, the expressions of lumpen and alienated people.
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Post by agioliver on Feb 6, 2011 21:21:11 GMT
Why does everyone in the video look like they'd chop your cock off for a fiver.
It will be a sad day when that lot of stone island asbos have a say in politics
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 6, 2011 21:27:18 GMT
A miserable 4000 people hardly counts as "lots of support" They are supported by women and children? Great, so were the Nazis. Parts of the Koran are evil - could say the same about pretty much any ancient religious text. I don't mind taking on religious bigotry, but the way the EDL portarys Islam, basically all muslims are guilty until proven innocent. The EDL are going to educate us? You're having a joke. Did you hear their "leader" on Newsnight? Yes, there is an element of middle class patronism that sniggers at the uneducated working class EDL member trying to get their head round complicated subjects, but there is nothing virtuous in what are, in effect, the expressions of lumpen and alienated people. 75,000 support the Edl on Facebook, and the number grows each day. Yes you could say that about any ancient religious text, but these people want to blow us up, and have done, and will again. Some people will never be convinced of the EDL. Thats what makes our country great, we are all allowed our views, we live in a free land. But people support the EDL for a reason, and thats their right. Yesterday, the only trouble caused in Luton was by members of the UAF. So at least the EDL's hard work to make all protests peaceful has worked
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Post by WeAreTheResurrection on Feb 6, 2011 21:48:41 GMT
A miserable 4000 people hardly counts as "lots of support" They are supported by women and children? Great, so were the Nazis. Parts of the Koran are evil - could say the same about pretty much any ancient religious text. I don't mind taking on religious bigotry, but the way the EDL portarys Islam, basically all muslims are guilty until proven innocent. The EDL are going to educate us? You're having a joke. Did you hear their "leader" on Newsnight? Yes, there is an element of middle class patronism that sniggers at the uneducated working class EDL member trying to get their head round complicated subjects, but there is nothing virtuous in what are, in effect, the expressions of lumpen and alienated people. 75,000 support the Edl on Facebook, and the number grows each day. Yes you could say that about any ancient religious text, but these people want to blow us up, and have done, and will again. Some people will never be convinced of the EDL. Thats what makes our country great, we are all allowed our views, we live in a free land. But people support the EDL for a reason, and thats their right. Yesterday, the only trouble caused in Luton was by members of the UAF. So at least the EDL's hard work to make all protests peaceful has workedOr was it more to do with 1800 police drafted in for it? While alot of people may agree with some of the princibles of the EDL, they are not going to support them when they try to kick off and riot everywhere.
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 6, 2011 21:55:17 GMT
75,000 support the Edl on Facebook, and the number grows each day. Yes you could say that about any ancient religious text, but these people want to blow us up, and have done, and will again. Some people will never be convinced of the EDL. Thats what makes our country great, we are all allowed our views, we live in a free land. But people support the EDL for a reason, and thats their right. Yesterday, the only trouble caused in Luton was by members of the UAF. So at least the EDL's hard work to make all protests peaceful has workedOr was it more to do with 1800 police drafted in for it? While alot of people may agree with some of the princibles of the EDL, they are not going to support them when they try to kick off and riot everywhere. If all the EDL wanted to do was kick off and riot, then they would have done so with the police. But it was peaceful, what more do you want?
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 6, 2011 22:01:17 GMT
Or was it more to do with 1800 police drafted in for it? While alot of people may agree with some of the princibles of the EDL, they are not going to support them when they try to kick off and riot everywhere. If all the EDL wanted to do was kick off and riot, then they would have done so with the police. But it was peaceful, what more do you want? I think that it was more to do with the police too. They seemed to keep the two sides apart much better than at previous protests and of course the pubs stopped serving alcohol at 12 and we know how unbrave a football thug is without booze!
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 6, 2011 22:08:07 GMT
If all the EDL wanted to do was kick off and riot, then they would have done so with the police. But it was peaceful, what more do you want? I think that it was more to do with the police too. They seemed to keep the two sides apart much better than at previous protests and of course the pubs stopped serving alcohol at 12 and we know how unbrave a football thug is without booze! You clearly dont know many football thugs do you. At previous EDL demos, the majority of flash points have come when the EDL have come under attack from UAF and local Muslims. The EDL have worked with the police to avoid this happening. Obviously i can see that no matter what anyone says or what the EDL do thats gets rid or racism and violence, that it doesnt get listened to, so this will be my last post on the subject. Its funny how nothing gets said about the UAF, who yesterday caused trouble, escaped from police lines to attack the EDL. The very same people who were behind the violence at the student demos. Nothing said about that, from the same people who have a go at the EDL for violence
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 6, 2011 22:14:41 GMT
I think that it was more to do with the police too. They seemed to keep the two sides apart much better than at previous protests and of course the pubs stopped serving alcohol at 12 and we know how unbrave a football thug is without booze! You clearly dont know many football thugs do you. At previous EDL demos, the majority of flash points have come when the EDL have come under attack from UAF and local Muslims. The EDL have worked with the police to avoid this happening. Obviously i can see that no matter what anyone says or what the EDL do thats gets rid or racism and violence, that it doesnt get listened to, so this will be my last post on the subject. Its funny how nothing gets said about the UAF, who yesterday caused trouble, escaped from police lines to attack the EDL. The very same people who were behind the violence at the student demos. Nothing said about that, from the same people who have a go at the EDL for violence To be fair to you I have a deep unease about UAF too. As someoone who is more left than right I feel they are a poor outfit who don't quite understand what they stand for. They are happy to except extremists and thugs into their ranks too as long as they bulk their numbers in protest at the perceived traditional far right, while not realising that those extremists they accept are as racist and facist as can be!
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 6, 2011 22:21:06 GMT
I'm not sure that the 'Islam is Evil' banners agree with you Parts of Islam are evil, just read the Koran. The English Defence League are not targeting Islam or Muslims, but certain sections. There is a lot that goes on that people dont see, but the EDL bring it to peoples attention, and they are gaining a lot of support Parts of Christianity are equally evil, and the EDL seem to be protesting islamism on the basis that Britain is a Christian nation. It paranoia. All this 'do you want sharia law in the UK' b#llock is just pure garbage. The day sharia is established in Britian I will go out and volunteer to be stoned to death.
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Post by telboyc on Feb 6, 2011 22:21:34 GMT
Islam, is that the religion that stone women to death and chop peoples limbs off for stealing?
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Post by flean on Feb 6, 2011 22:28:52 GMT
SOme frightening opinions on this thread. Racist, nasty, sad little men wearing Stone Island. "We're not racist but..." etc etc
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Post by pugs on Feb 6, 2011 22:48:09 GMT
SOme frightening opinions on this thread. Racist, nasty, sad little men wearing Stone Island. "We're not racist but..." etc etc Really? frightening opinions you say? seems like a reasonable debate & discussion to me. i think you need to grow a pair once you climb down off your pedestal.......
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Post by mazarronox (banned) on Feb 6, 2011 22:53:58 GMT
Dont believe all the bad stuff you hear about the EDL. There are a small amount of racist people who attach themselves to the EDL, but they are a non racist organisation and have done a lot of work to get rid of racists. Yesterday, when 4,000 EDL supporters protested in Luton, it was peaceful. The lefties want you to believe the EDL are racist thugs, but it isnt true. A lot of women and older people attend demos. Have a look at this from yesterday, worth listening to it all www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHoG_o-P_rw&feature=autofbEven looking at the news reports yesterday, it was clear ther was a mixture of races supporting the EDL.. The Edinburgh airport taxi driver who was a hero some time ago was even there. He said he was warmly welcomed. Therefore leaving the th communists with no arguement really.
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Feb 6, 2011 22:58:22 GMT
Islam, is that the religion that stone women to death and chop peoples limbs off for stealing? I seem to remember that being in the bible as well. If people wanted to argue for a better, more humane and tolerant society, then I'd have more sympathy. But you'll find most of the EDL, BNP, UKIP and co actually favour hang and flog 'em policies.
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Post by South Oxfords Border Patrol on Feb 6, 2011 23:05:28 GMT
Islam, is that the religion that stone women to death and chop peoples limbs off for stealing? Yes your right there.. I also went to Luton yesterday with a few other lads,what can i say.. My third protest i have been to an not once have i seen any trouble,Yes the UAF tried to kick off with five lads at rail station,but the edl lads had the balls to just laugh at them... What pishes me off most of all is why people think we are Nazis I tell you now i am not,never will be either,we have White,Black,Muslim,Sihik,Jewish amoungts the edl,the edl are not like that at all,ok yes they have a few who try an wreck things,but slowly they will be booted out an not wanted within the edl... Remember we all have our own opinions,an if you ask me the edl are trying to do something GOOD for this country,Even David Cameroon as seen some day light about the evil part of Islam what we dont want here... Some should read a bit more it to an see what the edl are really about,dont listen to what you hear on the news,Take a look around the web an you will see things that prob a fair few people dont know about.. As we all know alot of Muslims are good people an abide by the way they should here,but you get a few who are extreme,just take a look at the ones who Burnt the poppies,the ones who spat an yelled abuse at our brave soliders who were returning from Afgan,These people need to show some respect to our country,the goverment need to start to do something about it because soon it going to get out of hand... They say that Islam is a peaceful religion,really when they take guns an bats to three peoples doors,send them an there familys death threats,One as even been told he will be killed soon,why,Because he is standing up for his rights is this country,is that wrong..
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Post by moomooland on Feb 6, 2011 23:05:57 GMT
How many muslims do you know?
Most muslims I know are very nice people.
It's the people who are taken in by extremists that are the problem. And that applies to all sections of society.
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Post by telboyc on Feb 6, 2011 23:07:20 GMT
Islam, is that the religion that stone women to death and chop peoples limbs off for stealing? I seem to remember that being in the bible as well. If people wanted to argue for a better, more humane and tolerant society, then I'd have more sympathy. But you'll find most of the EDL, BNP, UKIP and co actually favour hang and flog 'em policies. The bible is a load of tosh too, religious people are dangerous whatever religion they've been brainwashed into believing.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 6, 2011 23:08:36 GMT
Islam, is that the religion that stone women to death and chop peoples limbs off for stealing? Yes your right there.. I also went to Luton yesterday with a few other lads,what can i say.. My third protest i have been to an not once have i seen any trouble,Yes the UAF tried to kick off with five lads at rail station,but the edl lads had the balls to just laugh at them... What pishes me off most of all is why people think we are Nazis I tell you now i am not,never will be either,we have White,Black,Muslim,Sihik,Jewish amoungts the edl,the edl are not like that at all,ok yes they have a few who try an wreck things,but slowly they will be booted out an not wanted within the edl... Remember we all have our own opinions,an if you ask me the edl are trying to do something GOOD for this country,Even David Cameroon as seen some day light about the evil part of Islam what we dont want here... Some should read a bit more it to an see what the edl are really about,dont listen to what you hear on the news,Take a look around the web an you will see things that prob a fair few people dont know about.. As we all know alot of Muslims are good people an abide by the way they should here,but you get a few who are extreme,just take a look at the ones who Burnt the poppies,the ones who spat an yelled abuse at our brave soliders who were returning from Afgan,These people need to show some respect to our country,the goverment need to start to do something about it because soon it going to get out of hand... They say that Islam is a peaceful religion,really when they take guns an bats to three peoples doors,send them an there familys death threats,One as even been told he will be killed soon,why,Because he is standing up for his rights is this country,is that wrong.. This is the problem. You say a lot of muslims are good people but your last paragraph implies that all of islam is bad. Which is it?
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 6, 2011 23:10:05 GMT
I seem to remember that being in the bible as well. If people wanted to argue for a better, more humane and tolerant society, then I'd have more sympathy. But you'll find most of the EDL, BNP, UKIP and co actually favour hang and flog 'em policies. The bible is a load of tosh too, religious people are dangerous whatever religion they've been brainwashed into believing. I'm religious. Am I dangerous? I also find your 'brainwashing' quip insulting.
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Post by South Oxfords Border Patrol on Feb 6, 2011 23:11:22 GMT
How many muslims do you know? Most muslims I know are very nice people. It's the people who are taken in by extremists that are the problem. And that applies to all sections of society. I know of plenty,and yes many are very nice people.. I even have one within the family.. But do we see any other religion going round blowing them selfs up killing innocent people..??
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Post by telboyc on Feb 6, 2011 23:14:30 GMT
The bible is a load of tosh too, religious people are dangerous whatever religion they've been brainwashed into believing. I'm religious. Am I dangerous? I also find your 'brainwashing' quip insulting. Quip? it wasn't a quip it's a fact, you see religious adults taking their kids to grovel to an imaginary god, it must be a form of child abuse.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 6, 2011 23:16:19 GMT
I'm religious. Am I dangerous? I also find your 'brainwashing' quip insulting. Quip? it wasn't a quip it's a fact, you see religious adults taking their kids to grovel to an imaginary god, it must be a form of child abuse. I hope this is a windup, otherwise you are just as intolerant as the EDL people you are arguing against.
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Post by telboyc on Feb 6, 2011 23:18:34 GMT
I rest my case all relgious people are dangerous, especially gunmen.
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Post by moomooland on Feb 6, 2011 23:21:14 GMT
How many muslims do you know? Most muslims I know are very nice people. It's the people who are taken in by extremists that are the problem. And that applies to all sections of society. I know of plenty,and yes many are very nice people.. I even have one within the family.. But do we see any other religion going round blowing them selfs up killing innocent people..?? Your family member probably isn't killing innocent people for a start ( I hope) This is a bit like the Irish question. Lot's of nice people suddenly finding themselves divided by religeon, fueled by extemists, driven to extremes. In the end everyone loses. In the end everyone has to live together. (in this world)
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