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Post by South Oxfords Border Patrol on Feb 6, 2011 23:21:37 GMT
Yes your right there.. I also went to Luton yesterday with a few other lads,what can i say.. My third protest i have been to an not once have i seen any trouble,Yes the UAF tried to kick off with five lads at rail station,but the edl lads had the balls to just laugh at them... What pishes me off most of all is why people think we are Nazis I tell you now i am not,never will be either,we have White,Black,Muslim,Sihik,Jewish amoungts the edl,the edl are not like that at all,ok yes they have a few who try an wreck things,but slowly they will be booted out an not wanted within the edl... Remember we all have our own opinions,an if you ask me the edl are trying to do something GOOD for this country,Even David Cameroon as seen some day light about the evil part of Islam what we dont want here... Some should read a bit more it to an see what the edl are really about,dont listen to what you hear on the news,Take a look around the web an you will see things that prob a fair few people dont know about.. As we all know alot of Muslims are good people an abide by the way they should here,but you get a few who are extreme,just take a look at the ones who Burnt the poppies,the ones who spat an yelled abuse at our brave soliders who were returning from Afgan,These people need to show some respect to our country,the goverment need to start to do something about it because soon it going to get out of hand... They say that Islam is a peaceful religion,really when they take guns an bats to three peoples doors,send them an there familys death threats,One as even been told he will be killed soon,why,Because he is standing up for his rights is this country,is that wrong.. This is the problem. You say a lot of muslims are good people but your last paragraph implies that all of islam is bad. Which is it? There is a small majority who take Islam to far,This is what is needed to be sorted... If you ask me i think there are many Muslims out there to afraid to stand up an speak out against the Bad part of Islam,One of the main edl lads is a Muslim himself an had death threats,why,because he stood up against the bad side of it... Yesterday we had lots of all kinds of races hanging out of windows standing on bridges clapping as we marched by...
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Post by telboyc on Feb 6, 2011 23:21:58 GMT
Quip? it wasn't a quip it's a fact, you see religious adults taking their kids to grovel to an imaginary god, it must be a form of child abuse. I hope this is a windup, otherwise you are just as intolerant as the EDL people you are arguing against. Who said i was arguing against the EDL? they have a right to an opinion as much as muslims.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 6, 2011 23:22:59 GMT
I rest my case all relgious people are dangerous, especially gunmen. Are relgious people some kind of psychotic minority group bent on world domination. If so i'd say relgious people are a real threat yes.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 6, 2011 23:23:49 GMT
I hope this is a windup, otherwise you are just as intolerant as the EDL people you are arguing against. Who said i was arguing against the EDL? they have a right to an opinion as much as muslims. And relgious people I suppose.
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Post by telboyc on Feb 6, 2011 23:28:36 GMT
I rest my case all relgious people are dangerous, especially gunmen. Are relgious people some kind of psychotic minority group bent on world domination. If so i'd say relgious people are a real threat yes. Most wars are about religion, religious people ars too uptight about their own religion, insecurity maybe?
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 6, 2011 23:32:21 GMT
Are relgious people some kind of psychotic minority group bent on world domination. If so i'd say relgious people are a real threat yes. Most wars are about religion, religious people ars too uptight about their own religion, insecurity maybe? So everybody has a right to their opinion unless they are religious? You're the one who sounds insecure.
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Post by telboyc on Feb 6, 2011 23:36:45 GMT
Most wars are about religion, religious people ars too uptight about their own religion, insecurity maybe? So everybody has a right to their opinion unless they are religious? You're the one who sounds insecure. Where have i said you lot aren't entitled to your opinion? we're having a debate now aren't we? I don't know if there is a god or not so i suppose i could be a bit insecure.
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Post by moomooland on Feb 6, 2011 23:38:26 GMT
Religion is about beliefs.
Eveyone believes in something.
Harnessing belief is a very powerful weapon.
Even the Romans understood this. which is why they adopted a religion they had previously persecuted.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 6, 2011 23:40:16 GMT
So everybody has a right to their opinion unless they are religious? You're the one who sounds insecure. Where have i said you lot aren't entitled to your opinion?we're having a debate now aren't we? I don't know if there is a god or not so i suppose i could be a bit insecure. Well on the one hand you're saying muslims have just as much right to their opinion as the EDL and on the other stating that religious people are insecure, brainwashed and dangerous.
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Post by telboyc on Feb 6, 2011 23:43:47 GMT
Where have i said you lot aren't entitled to your opinion?we're having a debate now aren't we? I don't know if there is a god or not so i suppose i could be a bit insecure. Well on the one hand you're saying muslims have just as much right to their opinion as the EDL and on the other stating that religious people are insecure, brainwashed and dangerous. Just my opinion mate, anyway i havt take the dog out for a walk now so won't be able to reply for a while.
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Post by luvthepink on Feb 6, 2011 23:52:42 GMT
Shouldnt this be in the marches section??? ;D
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Post by foghornleghorn on Feb 7, 2011 0:14:49 GMT
Parts of Islam are evil, just read the Koran. The English Defence League are not targeting Islam or Muslims, but certain sections. There is a lot that goes on that people dont see, but the EDL bring it to peoples attention, and they are gaining a lot of support A dangerous thing for you to say. I think unless your an expert "just reading the Koran" is difficult as it is written in Arabic and does not translate to English that well (so i am told) so needs to be interpreted in English carefully! It translates fine (well accurately, anyway) , that's just the old get-out-jail-free card dragged up whenever loosing a theological debate. "eerrhhh, well, it may say that that but it doesn't really mean that, I would tell you what it really means but the English language just isnt equipped for such concepts so your brain would never be able to comprehend!" Yeah, seriously.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Feb 7, 2011 0:21:03 GMT
Are relgious people some kind of psychotic minority group bent on world domination. If so i'd say relgious people are a real threat yes. Most wars are about religion, religious people ars too uptight about their own religion, insecurity maybe? No they're not, most wars are about land, power and influence. Corrupt leaders just use religion as a motivator but it's a bit illogical (polite) to blame religion for wars (unless of course you learnt politics in a student union bar, in which case it's fine, anything goes there).
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 7, 2011 0:21:26 GMT
On the subject of religion, I'd like to thank God for making me an Atheist.
The issue I see with the EDL, and while I can sympathise with some of their views, they come across as football thugs looking for a scrap because they've been been banned from football. Even the name English Defence League comes across as xenophobic from the get go.
Any sort of fundamentalism shouldn't be tolerated and people like the UAF are as nutty as their far right counterparts, in some respects even more so. I have no time for either side in this argument that hijack what should be a sane and open discussion where all sides can air their views, into ranting, finger pointing, violence and burning stuff.
Normal people are afraid to get involved in this debate for fear of being labelled intolerant or racist (even though religion isn't a race).
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Post by foghornleghorn on Feb 7, 2011 0:33:00 GMT
A miserable 4000 people hardly counts as "lots of support" They are supported by women and children? Great, so were the Nazis. Parts of the Koran are evil - could say the same about pretty much any ancient religious text. I don't mind taking on religious bigotry, but the way the EDL portarys Islam, basically all muslims are guilty until proven innocent. The EDL are going to educate us? You're having a joke. Did you hear their "leader" on Newsnight? Yes, there is an element of middle class patronism that sniggers at the uneducated working class EDL member trying to get their head round complicated subjects, but there is nothing virtuous in what are, in effect, the expressions of lumpen and alienated people. tbf 4000 is a pretty decent turnout for what most folk see as a bunch of Nazi's causing trouble in Luton. For a little of-the-cuff local feedback, by coincidence I was visiting my dentist in Luton on Friday and a little girl was telling daughter not to go into town tomorrow as "there will be lots of angry people coming who just want to say horrible things to people - I don't know why". The local kids seem well versed, the EDL have a long way to go before they acquire the huggable-luvable EDL tag.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 7, 2011 0:35:34 GMT
On the subject of religion, I'd like to thank God for making me an Atheist. The issue I see with the EDL, and while I can sympathise with some of their views, they come across as football thugs looking for a scrap because they've been been banned from football. Even the name English Defence League comes across as xenophobic from the get go. Any sort of fundamentalism shouldn't be tolerated and people like the UAF are as nutty as their far right counterparts, in some respects even more so. I have no time for either side in this argument that hijack what should be a sane and open discussion where all sides can air their views, into ranting, finger pointing, violence and burning stuff. Normal people are afraid to get involved in this debate for fear of being labelled intolerant or racist (even though religion isn't a race). I think that's the main issue I have with the EDL too. I can see they have a point on radical and political islam but they dont ring quite true for me as a genuine pressure group or party, given that many of their leading lights seem to be people with chequred pasts who are on banning orders.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Feb 7, 2011 0:41:25 GMT
Normal people are afraid to get involved in this debate for fear of being labelled intolerant or racist (even though religion isn't a race). Telboy labelled all Muslims dangerous child abusers, that probably makes him the most racist person in the thread so far.
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Post by telboyc on Feb 7, 2011 1:07:11 GMT
Normal people are afraid to get involved in this debate for fear of being labelled intolerant or racist (even though religion isn't a race). Telboy labelled all Muslims dangerous child abusers, that probably makes him the most racist person in the thread so far. 1 muslims aren't a race, 2i didn't say muslims, 3 that probably makes you the thickest leftie on this thread.
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Post by Yellowbrains on Feb 7, 2011 1:12:34 GMT
Normal people are afraid to get involved in this debate for fear of being labelled intolerant or racist (even though religion isn't a race). Telboy labelled all Muslims dangerous child abusers, that probably makes him the most racist person in the thread so far. And Christians and Jews and any other religions. And instilling in your kids the fear of some imaginary, all-powerful being who will torture them for all eternity if they don't behave in according to some strict code of behaviour and values IS a form of child abuse.
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Post by telboyc on Feb 7, 2011 1:32:01 GMT
Normal people are afraid to get involved in this debate for fear of being labelled intolerant or racist (even though religion isn't a race). Telboy labelled all Muslims dangerous child abusers, that probably makes him the most racist person in the thread so far. Maybe i should sue you for libel, get your facts straight lefty girl or boy. Rest In Peace Gary Moore. True Legendery Axe man.
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Post by foghornleghorn on Feb 7, 2011 1:58:43 GMT
Telboy labelled all Muslims dangerous child abusers, that probably makes him the most racist person in the thread so far. 1 muslims aren't a race, 2i didn't say muslims, 3 that probably makes you the thickest leftie on this thread. 1. If you look, it’s in context to GBs post 2. Are you saying that you didn’t say religious people are dangerous and that religion is a form of child abuse or are you saying that Islam isn’t a religion? You can always Google it, but I’m pretty sure you’ll find Muslims are religious. So you did say it. 3. I’m pretty sure I’ve never been called a lefty before, that’s actually quite humorous. With this in mind, I’m not convinced you calling me thick carry’s much weight (and a thick lefty to boot!)
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Post by Robin Shater on Feb 7, 2011 8:09:47 GMT
So just what has this thread got to do with 'Matches'?
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Post by saddletramp on Feb 7, 2011 9:15:02 GMT
Religion is indoctrination by parents on children. Your CofE because your parents were, Muslim,Hindu,Catholic,ditto. You are not asked as a child what religion you want to be,you are told. Im an atheist same as my dad,why was my dad an atheist?well when he was in the navy,every Sunday the proddies had a service at the front of the ship,the catholics had mass at the back of the ship and the atheists had an extra hour in there hammocks!
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 7, 2011 9:37:55 GMT
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 7, 2011 9:52:53 GMT
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 7, 2011 10:14:22 GMT
Most wars are about religion Really? Let's examine that gem of a statement in terms of major 20th/21st century wars - > Boer war - no; > First world war - no; > Second world war - no; > Korean war - no; > Vietnam war(s) - no; > Kuwait war - no; > Balkan war(s) - no; > Afghanistan - yes, arguably; > Iraq war - no. Hardly compelling support for your argument. PS There are plenty of others too - Biafra, Dafur, anti-colonial conflicts, Malaysia.
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 7, 2011 10:16:29 GMT
Islam, is that the religion that stone women to death and chop peoples limbs off for stealing? Yes. And Christianity is that religion that burnt people at the stake and stretched them on the rack. Not currently, of course, but Christians have no right to be smug. PS I realise you're not sticking up for Christianity, I'm just making a salient point.
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 7, 2011 10:55:58 GMT
Parts of Islam are evil, just read the Koran. The English Defence League are not targeting Islam or Muslims, but certain sections. There is a lot that goes on that people dont see, but the EDL bring it to peoples attention, and they are gaining a lot of support Parts of Christianity are equally evil, and the EDL seem to be protesting islamism on the basis that Britain is a Christian nation. It paranoia. All this 'do you want sharia law in the UK' b#llock is just pure garbage. The day sharia is established in Britian I will go out and volunteer to be stoned to death. It is established in Britain. There are over 100 sharia law courts in Britain today, and the number is growing, and they have been here for a long time. In 2003, an in depth study was done into sharia law, and in the same year, the European court of human rights made it illegal. If you want to know about sharia law, and why people feel so strongly about it, then all you need to know is here englishdefenceleague.org/content.php?147-What-Is-Sharia-Law-And-How-Is-It-Constituted
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Post by klimt on Feb 7, 2011 11:12:54 GMT
The problem I see is that once people start to be defined and categorized by race and religious affiliation, we stop seeing 'individuals', and appreciating them accordingly.
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 7, 2011 11:13:37 GMT
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