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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 25, 2014 17:08:13 GMT
I would have thought you would all have learned not to argue with Man U fans about football by now...
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Post by baldy on Aug 25, 2014 17:22:04 GMT
Genuine world class. £60m is about right for top bracket footballers like him. Maybe slightly over but it's delusional to think you're going to get a player the quality of Di Maria for £30 or 40 million. Graham Hunter, respected Spanish pundit, said on Sky that Man U are getting a steal because he's the best around to play a wing back role. Works his nuts off in attack and defence and once Shaw is fit on the left this is an awesome pairing in what is a pivotal position in the set up of an LVG team.
One more central midfielder and a centre back and I think they will be nicely set. Vidal, Blind and Hummels or Benatia will be ideal. Jones is having his best spell in a Man U shirt and looks like he's nailing down one of the three defensive positions. All in all good times ahead for Man U.
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Post by Junior on Aug 25, 2014 17:23:53 GMT
I would have thought you would all have learned not to argue with Man U fans about football by now... Not impressed with those stats then?
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 25, 2014 17:28:57 GMT
I would have thought you would all have learned not to argue with Man U fans about football by now... Not impressed with those stats then? They arent showing up for me - on the mobile site on my phone - he is a good player but he starts from zero in England. Not worth £60M in my opinion.
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 25, 2014 18:04:00 GMT
I think Junior is struggling here. No one is doubting he is a great player but Man U have already got too many attacking players and a very average defence.
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Post by Junior on Aug 25, 2014 18:06:37 GMT
Not struggling. A world class player was on the market and was affordable to club so they snapped him up. It's what big clubs do.
Besides, according to many on here, Rooney is not world class and RVP is past it and injury prone. On that basis this signing is needed badly...
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 25, 2014 18:21:10 GMT
Not struggling. A world class player was on the market and was affordable to club so they snapped him up. It's what big clubs do. Besides, according to many on here, Rooney is not world class and RVP is past it and injury prone. On that basis this signing is needed badly... Di Maria isn't a centre forward though. I will obviously respect yours and badly's view of the transfer over any of the actual experts who have said it is a poor, desperate signing.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 25, 2014 18:23:26 GMT
Genuine world class. £60m is about right for top bracket footballers like him. Maybe slightly over but it's delusional to think you're going to get a player the quality of Di Maria for £30 or 40 million. Graham Hunter, respected Spanish pundit, said on Sky that Man U are getting a steal because he's the best around to play a wing back role. Works his nuts off in attack and defence and once Shaw is fit on the left this is an awesome pairing in what is a pivotal position in the set up of an LVG team. One more central midfielder and a centre back and I think they will be nicely set. Vidal, Blind and Hummels or Benatia will be ideal. Jones is having his best spell in a Man U shirt and looks like he's nailing down one of the three defensive positions. All in all good times ahead for Man U. Didn't world class only Include messi and ronaldo a few months ago. ? Or was that only when arsenal were signing Sanchez. A very similar player to di maria. And at least half the price
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Post by reedie8610 on Aug 25, 2014 18:28:14 GMT
Not struggling. A world class player was on the market and was affordable to club so they snapped him up. It's what big clubs do. Besides, according to many on here, Rooney is not world class and RVP is past it and injury prone. On that basis this signing is needed badly... Think di Maria is a good buy but 20 mill overpriced but man utd need him. They were awful yesterday Rooney and rvp looked totally disinterested their midfield was woeful and kept giving the ball away and wickham ran their defence ragged. It's just a shame Sunderland didn't have the confidence to go for the kill. If man utd don't buy Maria plus at least 3 more top quality players this week they won't finish any higher than last season
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Post by baldy on Aug 25, 2014 18:58:32 GMT
Not struggling. A world class player was on the market and was affordable to club so they snapped him up. It's what big clubs do. Besides, according to many on here, Rooney is not world class and RVP is past it and injury prone. On that basis this signing is needed badly... Think di Maria is a good buy but 20 mill overpriced but man utd need him. They were awful yesterday Rooney and rvp looked totally disinterested their midfield was woeful and kept giving the ball away and wickham ran their defence ragged. It's just a shame Sunderland didn't have the confidence to go for the kill. If man utd don't buy Maria plus at least 3 more top quality players this week they won't finish any higher than last season Hold on a minute, you're getting ahead of yourself. From yesterday add Carrick, Shaw, Di Maria, Rojo and Evans to the starting eleven. That's four very good footballers. Add also a properly fit RVP and a confident Kagawa, Valencia, Young and Januzai to challenge Shaw and Di Maria. Two perfectly good back up strikers in Welbeck and Hernandez Thats plenty in offensive positions of exceptional or very good back up. Give me the Chelsea and City squads going forward and they won't be any stronger than Man U. The likes of Cleverey, Fellaini and Anderson are all internationals who will provide additional numbers. Where they need reinforcement is in central areas defensively and in the middle of the pitch. The squad needs surgery, we all know that, but depth wise if they can add another defender (maybe two) and a central midfielder then they're not far away. Evans and Rojo alone are going to immediately strengthen the defence.
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Post by baldy on Aug 25, 2014 19:00:43 GMT
Not struggling. A world class player was on the market and was affordable to club so they snapped him up. It's what big clubs do. Besides, according to many on here, Rooney is not world class and RVP is past it and injury prone. On that basis this signing is needed badly... Think di Maria is a good buy but 20 mill overpriced but man utd need him. They were awful yesterday Rooney and rvp looked totally disinterested their midfield was woeful and kept giving the ball away and wickham ran their defence ragged. It's just a shame Sunderland didn't have the confidence to go for the kill. If man utd don't buy Maria plus at least 3 more top quality players this week they won't finish any higher than last season What game were you watching ? Sunderland go for the kill ! You need to get out of your own half to 'go for the kill' ! * * oh and you also need possession of the football.
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 25, 2014 19:02:35 GMT
Think di Maria is a good buy but 20 mill overpriced but man utd need him. They were awful yesterday Rooney and rvp looked totally disinterested their midfield was woeful and kept giving the ball away and wickham ran their defence ragged. It's just a shame Sunderland didn't have the confidence to go for the kill. If man utd don't buy Maria plus at least 3 more top quality players this week they won't finish any higher than last season Hold on a minute, you're getting ahead of yourself. From yesterday add Carrick, Shaw, Di Maria, Rojo and Evans to the starting eleven. That's four very good footballers. Add also a properly fit RVP and a confident Kagawa, Valencia, Young and Januzai to challenge Shaw and Di Maria. Two perfectly good back up strikers in Welbeck and Hernandez Thats plenty in offensive positions of exceptional or very good back up. Give me the Chelsea and City squads going forward and they won't be any stronger than Man U. The likes of Cleverey, Fellaini and Anderson are all internationals who will provide additional numbers. Where they need reinforcement is in central areas defensively and in the middle of the pitch. The squad needs surgery, we all know that, but depth wise if they can add another defender (maybe two) and a central midfielder then they're not far away. Evans and Rojo alone are going to immediately strengthen the defence. Out of interest baldy, and i am actually interested, what is opinion of the Man U performance?
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 25, 2014 19:05:22 GMT
Think di Maria is a good buy but 20 mill overpriced but man utd need him. They were awful yesterday Rooney and rvp looked totally disinterested their midfield was woeful and kept giving the ball away and wickham ran their defence ragged. It's just a shame Sunderland didn't have the confidence to go for the kill. If man utd don't buy Maria plus at least 3 more top quality players this week they won't finish any higher than last season Hold on a minute, you're getting ahead of yourself. From yesterday add Carrick, Shaw, Di Maria, Rojo and Evans to the starting eleven. That's four very good footballers. Add also a properly fit RVP and a confident Kagawa, Valencia, Young and Januzai to challenge Shaw and Di Maria. Two perfectly good back up strikers in Welbeck and Hernandez Thats plenty in offensive positions of exceptional or very good back up. Give me the Chelsea and City squads going forward and they won't be any stronger than Man U. The likes of Cleverey, Fellaini and Anderson are all internationals who will provide additional numbers. Where they need reinforcement is in central areas defensively and in the middle of the pitch. The squad needs surgery, we all know that, but depth wise if they can add another defender (maybe two) and a central midfielder then they're not far away. Evans and Rojo alone are going to immediately strengthen the defence. Newey would immediately strengthen that defence!!! Sticking to di Maria, as I've said earlier he is a very good player but never more than £40m within the current market. Time will tell to see the impact he makes but I'd still be surprised if Man Utd challenge the top 3 this season.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 25, 2014 19:07:46 GMT
Hold on a minute, you're getting ahead of yourself. From yesterday add Carrick, Shaw, Di Maria, Rojo and Evans to the starting eleven. That's four very good footballers. Add also a properly fit RVP and a confident Kagawa, Valencia, Young and Januzai to challenge Shaw and Di Maria. Two perfectly good back up strikers in Welbeck and Hernandez Thats plenty in offensive positions of exceptional or very good back up. Give me the Chelsea and City squads going forward and they won't be any stronger than Man U. The likes of Cleverey, Fellaini and Anderson are all internationals who will provide additional numbers. Where they need reinforcement is in central areas defensively and in the middle of the pitch. The squad needs surgery, we all know that, but depth wise if they can add another defender (maybe two) and a central midfielder then they're not far away. Evans and Rojo alone are going to immediately strengthen the defence. Newey would immediately strengthen that defence!!! Sticking to di Maria, as I've said earlier he is a very good player but never more than £40m within the current market. Time will tell to see the impact he makes but I'd still be surprised if Man Utd challenge the top 3 this season. Thing is this time last summer we were hearing the exact same things about mata, the summer before that felaini. And all the time hearing that experienced quality players like fletcher and carrick, Rooney and rvp r all there and experienced winners. Guess what didn't mean shit
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Post by Junior on Aug 25, 2014 19:13:43 GMT
Not struggling. A world class player was on the market and was affordable to club so they snapped him up. It's what big clubs do. Besides, according to many on here, Rooney is not world class and RVP is past it and injury prone. On that basis this signing is needed badly... Di Maria isn't a centre forward though. I will obviously respect yours and badly's view of the transfer over any of the actual experts who have said it is a poor, desperate signing. Which experts have said he's a " poor and desperate signing "
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Post by Junior on Aug 25, 2014 19:17:06 GMT
Not struggling. A world class player was on the market and was affordable to club so they snapped him up. It's what big clubs do. Besides, according to many on here, Rooney is not world class and RVP is past it and injury prone. On that basis this signing is needed badly... Think di Maria is a good buy but 20 mill overpriced but man utd need him. They were awful yesterday Rooney and rvp looked totally disinterested their midfield was woeful and kept giving the ball away and wickham ran their defence ragged. It's just a shame Sunderland didn't have the confidence to go for the kill. If man utd don't buy Maria plus at least 3 more top quality players this week they won't finish any higher than last season The Geordie took a while to wake up, still an interesting take on the game. Notice he didn't mention the penalty for RVP.. Whys that?
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 25, 2014 19:17:04 GMT
Mata?? Top top player, not Ronaldo and Messi standard but just below. A steal at £37.1million!!
Fellaini?? Proven record at this level, top top player. A steal at £27million!!
Zaha?? The future of English football. A steal at £12million!!
£210million+ spent in the last 12 months and still miles off the pace? Even the strongest of fans must be praying that this pays off!!
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 25, 2014 19:36:13 GMT
Di Maria isn't a centre forward though. I will obviously respect yours and badly's view of the transfer over any of the actual experts who have said it is a poor, desperate signing. Which experts have said he's a " poor and desperate signing " I would say the most high profile is Ray Wilkins.
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Post by Junior on Aug 25, 2014 19:38:26 GMT
Anymore?
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 25, 2014 19:39:40 GMT
Alan shearer
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Post by Junior on Aug 25, 2014 19:42:46 GMT
Struggling to see the word 'poor', Steve. Unless you have another quite from the Great Ray.. Attachments:
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 25, 2014 19:43:23 GMT
Neil Warnock
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 25, 2014 19:46:14 GMT
So because he only said it was a desperate signing then it is fine.
You claim to be a OUFC and only a OUFC yet you are very quick to ask questions of anything the board do or criticise other parts of the club yet will back a club who are miles away in everything they do.
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Post by baldy on Aug 25, 2014 19:59:54 GMT
He's hardly a desperatel signing. Wing back is a key position of the LVG blueprint and Di Maria is probably the best out there to execute this. I have certainly not seen an up and down the flank player better than Shaw in the PL. Perhaps someone will tell me a left sided player better suited to playing the wing back role better than Shaw and a right sided player who works the length of a football pitch better than Di Maria. Who is there ? Answers please.
Man U have, in my opinion, the two best there is and in Valencia, Young and Janazuij good back up too. Di Maria works as hard as any player anywhere but few who work as hard as him possess his level of intricacy.
Look at it how you like but he's a phenomenal signing. Quality costs.
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Post by Junior on Aug 25, 2014 20:04:06 GMT
Don't change the goal posts. You said said poor and desperate, not me.
For balance, this from Neville.
Former Manchester United player Gary Neville has said that di Maria will fit in with manager Louis van Gaal's system.
"He can run and Manchester United haven't got any pace in wide areas. It is incredible," Neville told Sky Sports.
"That is what the club has been built on for the last 10 to 15 years - being able to get from box to box quickly, being able to spring on teams, having people that can dribble and are quick in the final third."
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Post by Junior on Aug 25, 2014 20:05:06 GMT
Since when he's an expert on the top players in European football...
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Post by nige01ox on Aug 25, 2014 20:08:39 GMT
Even if it is a desperate signing and they are overpaying I don't see why it matters, ultimately he is a massive improvement on what they currently have. Not like Man U are a club where a big expensive flop could bankrupt them. However I do think signing a star defender like Hummels would be a more urgent requirement.
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 25, 2014 20:13:29 GMT
He's hardly a desperatel signing. Wing back is a key position of the LVG blueprint and Di Maria is probably the best out there to execute this. I have certainly not seen an up and down the flank player better than Shaw in the PL. Perhaps someone will tell me a left sided player better suited to playing the wing back role better than Shaw and a right sided player who works the length of a football pitch better than Di Maria. Who is there ? Answers please. Man U have, in my opinion, the two best there is and in Valencia, Young and Janazuij good back up too. Di Maria works as hard as any player anywhere but few who work as hard as him possess his level of intricacy. Look at it how you like but he's a phenomenal signing. Quality costs. I would agree that there aren't many but I am a bit surprised they haven't gone for an alves type. As for prem wing backs then I would say Baines and Coleman are 2 of the best. If Di Maria is going to be a wing back then it could go 2 ways, really well or badly because of his lack of defending.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 25, 2014 20:18:10 GMT
Don't change the goal posts. You said said poor and desperate, not me. For balance, this from Neville. Former Manchester United player Gary Neville has said that di Maria will fit in with manager Louis van Gaal's system. "He can run and Manchester United haven't got any pace in wide areas. It is incredible," Neville told Sky Sports. "That is what the club has been built on for the last 10 to 15 years - being able to get from box to box quickly, being able to spring on teams, having people that can dribble and are quick in the final third." That quote was used to underline how poor the current team is. He said that di Maria was quality but significantly over priced, and how Man Utd had lost any bargaining power the moment they lost to Swansea. He said that every club in Europe wanted the phone call from Man Utd as it was clear that they would over spend. That sounds to me like he thinks the situation was desperate if he doesn't use those exact words for this individual signing.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 25, 2014 20:19:31 GMT
Since when he's an expert on the top players in European football... Don't knock him, he could be your next manager when van Gall fucks up!!!
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