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Post by baldy on Aug 21, 2014 8:39:37 GMT
Rumour is that he is Manchester United bound in the next 48 hours for £50m.
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Post by amarillo on Aug 21, 2014 8:48:11 GMT
Rumour?
I'm surprised you haven't announced it as official.
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Post by baldy on Aug 21, 2014 8:51:05 GMT
Rumour? I'm surprised you haven't announced it as official. Would be a great signing though. Don't you agree ?
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 21, 2014 8:52:10 GMT
Rumour is that he is Manchester United bound in the next 48 hours for £50m. 50 million is way over the top for him.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 21, 2014 9:05:00 GMT
Zaha £10m Fellaini £27.5m Mata £37m Herrera £29m Shaw £27m Rojo £16m di Maria £50m?
£196.5m in a little over 12 months and will still struggle to finish in the top 4! Just goes to show how poor they have become when Paul Scholes has gone on record saying that he's scared for the clubs future.
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Post by SteMerritt on Aug 21, 2014 9:05:35 GMT
Just read this... That's what is needed, someone with a bit of a mental streak Good signing though, but it does make you wonder what it will mean for Juan Mata, surely they both couldn't play in the same team.
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Post by baldy on Aug 21, 2014 9:19:56 GMT
Zaha £10m Fellaini £27.5m Mata £37m Herrera £29m Shaw £27m Rojo £16m di Maria £50m? £196.5m in a little over 12 months and will still struggle to finish in the top 4! Just goes to show how poor they have become when Paul Scholes has gone on record saying that he's scared for the clubs future. I don't really get the point you're making. Zaha - Struggling to adapt at the minute but £10m is hardly a catastrophic purchase. For peanuts like that he's worth the gamble. Fellaini - Admittedly poor signing but likely to recoup £16m from Napoli for him so a £10m loss. Mata - Top class player with nothing to prove. Came in to a struggling side under Moyes but you cannot, at this stage, say that's £37m wasted. Herrera - His reputation in La Liga was among the very best. So far he looks a great player but too early to say whether that's a poor buy or not. Shaw - Undoubtedly one of the best left backs around. Played a full season and proven quality. Looks a sure fire bet to only get better. Rojo - Looked one of the best defenders at the WC. Time will tell but how can you see this as a negative signing ? Di Maria - Simeone says he's Reals best player ! He obviously isn't as good as Ronaldo but he's right at the top of those in the bracket below Ronaldo and Messi.
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 21, 2014 9:30:45 GMT
Zaha £10m Fellaini £27.5m Mata £37m Herrera £29m Shaw £27m Rojo £16m di Maria £50m? £196.5m in a little over 12 months and will still struggle to finish in the top 4! Just goes to show how poor they have become when Paul Scholes has gone on record saying that he's scared for the clubs future. I don't really get the point you're making. Zaha - Struggling to adapt at the minute but £10m is hardly a catastrophic purchase. For peanuts like that he's worth the gamble. Fellaini - Admittedly poor signing but likely to recoup £16m from Napoli for him so a £10m loss. Mata - Top class player with nothing to prove. Came in to a struggling side under Moyes but you cannot, at this stage, say that's £37m wasted. Herrera - His reputation in La Liga was among the very best. So far he looks a great player but too early to say whether that's a poor buy or not. Shaw - Undoubtedly one of the best left backs around. Played a full season and proven quality. Looks a sure fire bet to only get better. Rojo - Looked one of the best defenders at the WC. Time will tell but how can you see this as a negative signing ? Di Maria - Simeone says he's Reals best player ! He obviously isn't as good as Ronaldo but he's right at the top of those in the bracket below Ronaldo and Messi. Di Maria is a very good player but up there with Ronaldo and Messi? Bale for one is better than him, I would argue that Suarez is as well, add Neymar to the list and Ineista, As much of a good player he is, he is not what Man U need to help them get back in the top 4.
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Post by amarillo on Aug 21, 2014 9:33:08 GMT
Would be a great signing though. Don't you agree ? No as I said yesterday. 1) not the player they need and 2) overpriced. The player doesn't want to leave Real Madrid so you're not even getting someone who really wants to come. Vidal would be the signing I would want if I was a Man Utd fan. This signing if it happens smacks of just trying to make a big signing for the hell of it rather than a considered action.
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Post by Boogaloo on Aug 21, 2014 9:37:07 GMT
He's reasonably good, but he's certainly not world-class by any stretch of the imagination - not in the same league as Hazard or Sanchez. £20-25million is about the going rate for a player of this calibre. £30-40million is a bit steep, and if Man Utd as reports suggest are thinking of paying out £50million, then that absolutely reeks of desperation.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 21, 2014 9:38:45 GMT
Zaha £10m Fellaini £27.5m Mata £37m Herrera £29m Shaw £27m Rojo £16m di Maria £50m? £196.5m in a little over 12 months and will still struggle to finish in the top 4! Just goes to show how poor they have become when Paul Scholes has gone on record saying that he's scared for the clubs future. I don't really get the point you're making. Zaha - Struggling to adapt at the minute but £10m is hardly a catastrophic purchase. For peanuts like that he's worth the gamble. Fellaini - Admittedly poor signing but likely to recoup £16m from Napoli for him so a £10m loss. Mata - Top class player with nothing to prove. Came in to a struggling side under Moyes but you cannot, at this stage, say that's £37m wasted. Herrera - His reputation in La Liga was among the very best. So far he looks a great player but too early to say whether that's a poor buy or not. Shaw - Undoubtedly one of the best left backs around. Played a full season and proven quality. Looks a sure fire bet to only get better. Rojo - Looked one of the best defenders at the WC. Time will tell but how can you see this as a negative signing ? Di Maria - Simeone says he's Reals best player ! He obviously isn't as good as Ronaldo but he's right at the top of those in the bracket below Ronaldo and Messi. The point I'm making is very simple. £196.5m spent in a year and they will still finish below Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and possibly Liverpool. Spending silly to buy the league is on thing, doing the same to buy 4th is ridiculous.
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Post by baldy on Aug 21, 2014 9:40:37 GMT
No as I said yesterday. 1) not the player they need and 2) overpriced. The player doesn't want to leave Real Madrid so you're not even getting someone who really wants to come. Vidal would be the signing I would want if I was a Man Utd fan. This signing if it happens smacks of just trying to make a big signing for the hell of it rather than a considered action. There are problems with Vidal. He's a bit injury prone and I think Man U feel the price is high for someone of his age with his injury record. That said he is still a very good player and would make a great signing but I'm guessing they think there may be better options out there. I'm surprised people are criticising the prospective signing of ADM. Most, on here and elsewhere, don't think Young, Valencia and the recently departed Nani are up to it so surely a top class wide player like Di Maria is what they need ? No ? Of course they need to address central areas in defence - Rojo helps - and midfield but a top class wide man is also a requirement so they close in on one and get criticised for it. Strange.
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Post by amarillo on Aug 21, 2014 9:43:00 GMT
I don't really get the point you're making. Zaha - Struggling to adapt at the minute but £10m is hardly a catastrophic purchase. For peanuts like that he's worth the gamble. Fellaini - Admittedly poor signing but likely to recoup £16m from Napoli for him so a £10m loss. Mata - Top class player with nothing to prove. Came in to a struggling side under Moyes but you cannot, at this stage, say that's £37m wasted. Herrera - His reputation in La Liga was among the very best. So far he looks a great player but too early to say whether that's a poor buy or not. Shaw - Undoubtedly one of the best left backs around. Played a full season and proven quality. Looks a sure fire bet to only get better. Rojo - Looked one of the best defenders at the WC. Time will tell but how can you see this as a negative signing ? Di Maria - Simeone says he's Reals best player ! He obviously isn't as good as Ronaldo but he's right at the top of those in the bracket below Ronaldo and Messi. Zaha, yes nothing wrong with a £10m gamble, but it hasn't come off. You described him as the future of English football! Fellaini - awful Mata - as you say very good player, soild signing Herrera - A decent La Liga player but hardly one of the best. Has been poor so far. Overpriced. Shaw - one of the best English left backs around! Possibly in the top 50 left backs. Way overpriced. Rojo - decent world cup, as you say time will tell, but has a reputation for inconsistency and recklessness Di Maria - how you put him in the top of that bracket below Messi and Ronaldo I do not know. His standing is similar to Ozil when he left Real. In fact the circumstances of them leaving Real are very similar. Fans favourites, but the club very keen to offload.
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Post by baldy on Aug 21, 2014 9:43:33 GMT
He's reasonably good, but he's certainly not world-class by any stretch of the imagination - not in the same league as Hazard or Sanchez. £20-25million is about the going rate for a player of this calibre. £30-40million is a bit steep, and if Man Utd as reports suggest are thinking of paying out £50million, then that absolutely reeks of desperation. He's better than Ozil Mark 2.
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Post by amarillo on Aug 21, 2014 9:44:06 GMT
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 21, 2014 9:47:06 GMT
No as I said yesterday. 1) not the player they need and 2) overpriced. The player doesn't want to leave Real Madrid so you're not even getting someone who really wants to come. Vidal would be the signing I would want if I was a Man Utd fan. This signing if it happens smacks of just trying to make a big signing for the hell of it rather than a considered action. There are problems with Vidal. He's a bit injury prone and I think Man U feel the price is high for someone of his age with his injury record. That said he is still a very good player and would make a great signing but I'm guessing they think there may be better options out there. I'm surprised people are criticising the prospective signing of ADM. Most, on here and elsewhere, don't think Young, Valencia and the recently departed Nani are up to it so surely a top class wide player like Di Maria is what they need ? No ? Of course they need to address central areas in defence - Rojo helps - and midfield but a top class wide man is also a requirement so they close in on one and get criticised for it. Strange. Vidal is the player Man U are desperate to get, it is Juve who have said he isn't going any where. Nothing to do with Man U worried about the asking price.
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Post by baldy on Aug 21, 2014 9:51:32 GMT
Zaha, yes nothing wrong with a £10m gamble, but it hasn't come off. You described him as the future of English football! Fellaini - awful Mata - as you say very good player, soild signing Herrera - A decent La Liga player but hardly one of the best. Has been poor so far. Overpriced. Shaw - one of the best English left backs around! Possibly in the top 50 left backs. Way overpriced. Rojo - decent world cup, as you say time will tell, but has a reputation for inconsistency and recklessness Di Maria - how you put him in the top of that bracket below Messi and Ronaldo I do not know. His standing is similar to Ozil when he left Real. Herrera poor so far ! He's played an hour v Swansea ! Bloody hell, talk about not giving a player time to settle. Sanchez was abysmal v Palace - worst player on the pitch - waste of money ? He was great on their American tour. You're talking about Shaw as a conventional left back. That wont be his remit. I did not see a better up and down (the job of a wing back) left sided defender in the PL last season. No one, in my opinion, got remotely close to Shaw last season for working the length of the pitch allied to defensive solidity and attacking thrust. I may be wrong but I think he made the PFA team of the year so that's decent recognition. You can look at the likes of Baines and Azpi at Chelsea and possibly say that their added experience meant they were a touch sounder but neither covers the pitch as dynamically as Shaw.
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Post by Junior on Aug 21, 2014 9:56:17 GMT
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Post by amarillo on Aug 21, 2014 10:00:43 GMT
I have read that Herrera was poor in pre-season as well as against Swansea. Apart from the first game in which he was impressive. Obviously I haven't seen those games am going by what people say. No-one is calling Sanchez a waste of money because everyone knows his quality. He's far more proven than Herrera yet cost the same.
Shaw could well be a top player, but you're getting carried away - again.
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Post by Junior on Aug 21, 2014 10:01:26 GMT
Where did you read he was poor?
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Post by stevegilbert on Aug 21, 2014 10:02:28 GMT
Where does it say he is unhappy in that article? It says he needs to improve as in, work on the understanding with his new team mates which is understandable.
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Post by scotchegg on Aug 21, 2014 10:05:09 GMT
I did not see a better up and down (the job of a wing back) left sided defender in the PL last season. Yet you failed to notice Calum Chambers playing alongside him it appears? It is amazing how you only notice future Man Utd players and miss everyone else.
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Post by amarillo on Aug 21, 2014 10:05:38 GMT
No idea, maybe I was wrong.
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Post by Junior on Aug 21, 2014 10:12:19 GMT
Ah, that's a shame. Would have made for a fascinating read. Anyhow, it's nonsense. He had a very good preseason. Heavily involved with 5/6 goals...
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Post by sihath on Aug 21, 2014 10:17:54 GMT
I did not see a better up and down (the job of a wing back) left sided defender in the PL last season. Yet you failed to notice Calum Chambers playing alongside him it appears? It is amazing how you only notice future Man Utd players and miss everyone else. There's none so blind as those that won't see...
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Post by amarillo on Aug 21, 2014 10:20:08 GMT
Ah, that's a shame. Would have made for a fascinating read. Anyhow, it's nonsense. He had a very good preseason. Heavily involved with 5/6 goals... Sorry my mistake He's world class, I'd put him towards the top of that bracket just below Messi and Ronaldo.
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Post by Junior on Aug 21, 2014 10:24:05 GMT
No need to apologise. Would say its a bit early to be classing him in that bracket. There is certainly potential, the pre season showed that. He was very good..
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Post by oxfordyid on Aug 21, 2014 12:52:54 GMT
Panic buy! Not the player man united need!
Vidal would turn them into genuine title contenders would love to know why that transfers not going through
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Post by bazzer9461 on Aug 21, 2014 13:05:54 GMT
Panic buy! Not the player man united need! Vidal would turn them into genuine title contenders would love to know why that transfers not going through Perhaps Vidal is eyeing up a better club,
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Post by gofish on Aug 21, 2014 14:00:15 GMT
Di Maria will go to Arsenal
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