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Post by mcf86 on Apr 15, 2014 15:37:10 GMT
AT LAST..... seems someone has stirred something up at Oxford City Council.....had a phone call apologising for no response to my enquiries/complaints re The Priory over the past 5 months..... also I was assured that not only is the current ( Priory) situation being looked at by the several different City Council departments relevant to the various issues....also there is an investigation as to why my previous communications were not responded to. Oxford Preservation Trust, English Heritage, one of my local Councilors, My MP, as well as finally (the Owner of The Priory) Oxford City Council are all 'on the case' ..... Brilliant news! Only thing is, I'm now taking it personally that they have not responded to my communications!! I'm going to fire off a 'Mr Angry' email forthwith!! Good work sarge.
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Post by sarge on Apr 15, 2014 15:46:35 GMT
...... well it HAS taken me 5 months to get one response from Oxford City Council :-D
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 15, 2014 15:51:13 GMT
...... well it HAS taken me 5 months to get one response from Oxford City Council :-D Unless I have missed something, it's disappointing that OxVox don't appear to have taken this up?! Anyone know the whereabouts of MS?
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Post by Mark Sennett on Apr 15, 2014 16:32:12 GMT
I have taken this up with the council and they said they are looking at what can be done. It's been a part of my very long to do list!
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 15, 2014 21:43:14 GMT
I have taken this up with the council and they said they are looking at what can be done. It's been a part of my very long to do list! The long to do list as you put it MS, Is taking a very long time!
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 15, 2014 22:02:16 GMT
I agree that it's a disgrace what's happening to the Priory. But I really can't see it opening as a pub again anytime soon. OGB will maybe have to secure the building and make some repairs - but surely there's no way of forcing him to run a loss-making boozer, much as we might all want it back? And he isn't going to do it out of the kindness of his heart!
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 16, 2014 7:29:01 GMT
I agree that it's a disgrace what's happening to the Priory. But I really can't see it opening as a pub again anytime soon. OGB will maybe have to secure the building and make some repairs - but surely there's no way of forcing him to run a loss-making boozer, much as we might all want it back? And he isn't going to do it out of the kindness of his heart! We don't know what's in the terms and conditions of the lease, also, since it's a listed building it might be the case it has to be used for its original purpose? I can't see that the OGB can be allowed to just tart it up, lock it up and forget about it. He's not in the business of having property that is costing him money without any returns, so although it's difficult or nigh impossible to make a profit running it as a PH- there might be a Brewery out there willing to try?
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Post by sarge on Apr 16, 2014 8:00:21 GMT
I agree that it's a disgrace what's happening to the Priory. But I really can't see it opening as a pub again anytime soon. OGB will maybe have to secure the building and make some repairs - but surely there's no way of forcing him to run a loss-making boozer, much as we might all want it back? And he isn't going to do it out of the kindness of his heart! While you may be right zerothehero.....at least by calling the owner Oxford City Council to task on the sad state of repair that Ka$$am has ALLOWED the building to fall into, by involving English Heritage, Oxford Preservation', The local MP, and other organisations/people, OGB isnt going to get away with letting the building become so unsafe that it has to be demolished as easily as he was probably hoping!!! The more individuals that contact Oxford City Council, Engish Heritage, Oxfordshire Preservation trust, their MP, their local councilor etc the more likely it becomes that firstly OGB is forced to pay out on repairs, secondly IF he has breached ANY aspect of the lease he holds, there is likely to be a financial penalty ( as well as the Owners OCC having the potential to 'take back' the lease)... ... Besides with spokespersons from OxVox and Yellow Army BOTH having alluded that they support the idea of OUFC Admin utilising The Priory as matchday supporters club, we will see just how much influence both or either fans group has with the current OUFC Admin regarding 'improving the matchday experience'....bring The Priory back into matchday use and the Matchday experience will instantly be improved..... but, for there to be anylikelyhood of that happening, firstly The Priory as a building needs to be 'saved' In the meantime, The Priory, a grade 2 listed building, owned by Oxford City Council, Leased to Ka$$am, has, since it was boarded up last summer, fallen into a shocking state of repairs....which both OCC and Ka$$am are jointly responsible for 'looking after', neither have been meeting their responsibilities regarding the Priory, hopefully English Heritage, Oxfordshire preservation trust etc have got TEETH on this one Ka$$am has allowed the Priory to be vandalised, he has 'permitted' items/fixtures stolen from the outside of the building and allowed it to be come a focal point for fly tipped rubbish ( flytipped rubbish could be the fuel for another 'mystery' fire perhaps ?.... After all, Minchery Farm country club experienced a 'mystery fire' that resulted in its demolition while under the tenure of the current leaseholder!!!) the more individuals that raise the condition that The Priory has been allowed to fall into, with the relevant authorities and individuals, the better... the alternative of doing nothing is not only apathy, but the way I see it, it allows OGB to get away with being held to account for his mismanagement of a grade 2 listed building! Its a SHAME the local paper, The Oxford Fail is not on the case.... but who knows....maybe contacting local TV such as BBC Oxford and also Meridian would get the ball rolling so to speak down that particular avenue?..... remember how much the stadium landlord loves adverse publicity!!! ..... ( oh , and ZTH, dont call me shirley :-D )
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Post by sarge on Apr 16, 2014 8:12:11 GMT
I agree that it's a disgrace what's happening to the Priory. But I really can't see it opening as a pub again anytime soon. OGB will maybe have to secure the building and make some repairs - but surely there's no way of forcing him to run a loss-making boozer, much as we might all want it back? And he isn't going to do it out of the kindness of his heart! We don't know what's in the terms and conditions of the lease, also, since it's a listed building it might be the case it has to be used for its original purpose? I can't see that the OGB can be allowed to just tart it up, lock it up and forget about it. He's not in the business of having property that is costing him money without any returns, so although it's difficult or nigh impossible to make a profit running it as a PH- there might be a Brewery out there willing to try? well put mcf86
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Post by SteMerritt on Apr 16, 2014 8:25:02 GMT
Keep up the good work Sarge (and the Sarge posse), hopefully something positive can come of all this.
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 16, 2014 8:27:50 GMT
PLANS to turn pubs into supermarkets and other businesses in the city will have to come under closer scrutiny in the future.
Oxford Mail: Tony Goulding
Oxford City Council wants ‘change of use’ proposals to face three key questions rather than the one used at the moment.
They are if the pub is a viable business, that efforts to market it have been made and that alternative pubs exist in the area.
But the council said a change in policy set by national planning bosses from 2001 meant only one currently needs to be met, the viability test.
Now it is to apply to The Planning Inspectorate – which changed the policy – so it can demand more than one of the criteria is met.
Executive board member for city development Colin Cook said: “We want to stop losing pubs in Oxford and make it more difficult for people trying to sell them off for uses such as accommodation.”
He said the council is also assessing each city pub for whether it should go on a list – the heritage assets register – that give buildings further protection.
These include “public houses of historic or architectural interest”.
Mr Cook said: “Getting these extra powers will enable us to stop more planning applications for a change of use in public houses.
“And we are working as hard as we can to achieve that.”
Planning permission is not required to convert a pub to a restaurant.
The council said it will need the backing of other councils and the Campaign For Real Ale (CAMRA) to change its criteria policy.
Tony Goulding, CAMRA Oxford chairman, said it would help the council “lead the charge”.
He said: “This is what we have been fighting for. It is great to have the city council’s support, because not all local authorities are so enthusiastic about it.
“We absolutely need these measures to protect our pubs.”
He added: “The worst predators are the supermarkets at the moment, nowhere is safe from them, because they can do deals behind closed doors with breweries and suddenly just change the use with no proper process. We want that legal loophole to be closed.
“Pubs need legal protection so they can stop just disappearing.”
He pointed to the loss The Friar in Marston Road, Marston, set to be turned into a Tesco Express in the summer. Mr Goulding said CAMRA also supports pubs being designated “community assets” by the council, following a public nomination by an organisation.
Owners of community assets must put off any sale for six months so the community can put together a bid, though the owner has the final decision.
The council’s executive board will meet to discuss the proposed measures on Wednesday at Oxford town hall, St Aldate’s, from 5pm.
Some interesting items there, also interesting that OCC appear to be so concerned about Pubs 'Disappearing' yet can't keep their own 'House' in order!! Also, might be worth contacting CAMRA since they have interest in preserving PH's??
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Post by sarge on Apr 16, 2014 8:40:56 GMT
PLANS to turn pubs into supermarkets and other businesses in the city will have to come under closer scrutiny in the future. Oxford Mail: Tony Goulding Oxford City Council wants ‘change of use’ proposals to face three key questions rather than the one used at the moment. They are if the pub is a viable business, that efforts to market it have been made and that alternative pubs exist in the area. But the council said a change in policy set by national planning bosses from 2001 meant only one currently needs to be met, the viability test. Now it is to apply to The Planning Inspectorate – which changed the policy – so it can demand more than one of the criteria is met. Executive board member for city development Colin Cook said: “ We want to stop losing pubs in Oxford and make it more difficult for people trying to sell them off for uses such as accommodation.”
He said the council is also assessing each city pub for whether it should go on a list – the heritage assets register – that give buildings further protection. These include “public houses of historic or architectural interest”. Mr Cook said: “Getting these extra powers will enable us to stop more planning applications for a change of use in public houses. “And we are working as hard as we can to achieve that.” Planning permission is not required to convert a pub to a restaurant. The council said it will need the backing of other councils and the Campaign For Real Ale (CAMRA) to change its criteria policy. Tony Goulding, CAMRA Oxford chairman, said it would help the council “lead the charge”. He said: “This is what we have been fighting for. It is great to have the city council’s support, because not all local authorities are so enthusiastic about it. “We absolutely need these measures to protect our pubs.” He added: “The worst predators are the supermarkets at the moment, nowhere is safe from them, because they can do deals behind closed doors with breweries and suddenly just change the use with no proper process. We want that legal loophole to be closed. “ Pubs need legal protection so they can stop just disappearing.”
He pointed to the loss The Friar in Marston Road, Marston, set to be turned into a Tesco Express in the summer. Mr Goulding said CAMRA also supports pubs being designated “community assets” by the council, following a public nomination by an organisation. Owners of community assets must put off any sale for six months so the community can put together a bid, though the owner has the final decision. The council’s executive board will meet to discuss the proposed measures on Wednesday at Oxford town hall, St Aldate’s, from 5pm. Some interesting items there, also interesting that OCC appear to be so concerned about Pubs 'Disappearing' yet can't keep their own 'House' in order!! Also, might be worth contacting CAMRA since they have interest in preserving PH's?? Excellent post
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 16, 2014 9:20:32 GMT
Executive board member for city development Colin Cook said: “ We want to stop losing pubs in Oxford and make it more difficult for people trying to sell them off for uses such as accommodation.”
He said the council is also assessing each city pub for whether it should go on a list – the heritage assets register – that give buildings further protection. These include “public houses of historic or architectural interest”. Mr Cook said: “Getting these extra powers will enable us to stop more planning applications for a change of use in public houses. “And we are working as hard as we can to achieve that.” Excellent post Yup. Anyone know what a "heritage asset register" is?
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Post by brokeandobscure on Apr 16, 2014 11:19:53 GMT
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Post by sarge on Apr 16, 2014 12:13:54 GMT
...... INTERESTING information regarding Grade 2 listed buildings and their 'importance' to Oxford City Council and how grade 2 listed buildings are held in such esteem by the City Council..... so WHY have the OWNERS (Oxford City Council) of The Priory, a grade 2 listed building in OXFORD allowed the leaseholder to permit said building fall into such a disgraceful state of repair? ..... and WHY have Oxford City Council ( who happen to have a waste and refuse department) allowed a huge pile on growing flytipped rubbish to accumulate at one end of the aforemention building....a pile of fly tipped rubbish, that even a casual observer can easily notice that earlier stages of the growing pile have been set fire to, on , at least 2 separate occasions? ..... things dont seem to add up regarding the Priory!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 16, 2014 12:28:47 GMT
True. In my effort to find out about the Oxford heritage register I may have piled a little more fuel on the fire. Not the one that might be set outside the Priory.
Council have questions to answer.
C'mon. Pile the pressure on, as many as possible email your councilors (sp?).
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Post by brokeandobscure on Apr 16, 2014 12:39:10 GMT
When I was up there earlier there was a geezer in a hard hat moving fence panels around so maybe your enquiries have set things in motion about clearing the rubbish at least?
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Post by sarge on Apr 16, 2014 13:21:58 GMT
When I was up there earlier there was a geezer in a hard hat moving fence panels around so maybe your enquiries have set things in motion about clearing the rubbish at least? fingers crossed something IS being done.....and that Ka$$am gets billed for it too!
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Post by Maurice Earp on Apr 16, 2014 14:37:39 GMT
I have taken this up with the council and they said they are looking at what can be done. It's been a part of my very long to do list! The long to do list as you put it MS, Is taking a very long time! OxVox committee members do have jobs/lives outside of football, so items on a long to do list will inevitably take time.
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 16, 2014 15:21:15 GMT
True. In my effort to find out about the Oxford heritage register I may have piled a little more fuel on the fire. Not the one that might be set outside the Priory. Council have questions to answer. C'mon. Pile the pressure on, as many as possible email your councilors (sp?). Sent two emails to my local Councillor- incidentally, he's specifically involved in sports development, and both emails remain unanswered. Undaunted, I copied in his superior to both my original emails- and hallelujah.. I got a reply!! And she is or has contacted OCC to ascertain why my correspondence with them has been one way only!! Also, she will try and get a comment/s on the condition of the Priory. So I go along fully with the plea to get many more emailing OCC regarding this situation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 16:30:06 GMT
#SaveThePriory
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 16, 2014 17:33:11 GMT
The long to do list as you put it MS, Is taking a very long time! OxVox committee members do have jobs/lives outside of football, so items on a long to do list will inevitably take time. But this has dragged on for long enough.
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Post by Maurice Earp on Apr 16, 2014 17:42:52 GMT
OxVox committee members do have jobs/lives outside of football, so items on a long to do list will inevitably take time. But this has dragged on for long enough. Have you tried to contact Oxford City Council? or English Heritage?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 16, 2014 18:08:28 GMT
But this has dragged on for long enough. Have you tried to contact Oxford City Council? or English Heritage? That I thought was down to Oxvox the voice of Oxford utd.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 18:50:44 GMT
Baz is right. I hear that OxVox committee members are taking their kids for half term days out when they should be working for us. SORT IT OUT GUYS! If you can't spend 24/7 dealing with our queries perhaps you should get another job? What the Hell do we pay you for?
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 16, 2014 19:18:00 GMT
Quite.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 16, 2014 20:15:15 GMT
That I thought was down to Oxvox the voice of Oxford utd. [/quote] Baz, we are the voice of Oxford United; us supporters. OxVox represents us in certain ways - like with the club. This is a situation where the volume of complaints may be changing the attitude of the Council. It's good if Oxvox helps but it's not just their fight - it's ours. The more complaints there are about the Priory, and it's owners shamefully letting it fall to bits, the better. Getcha game face on feller. We're starting to make a difference.
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Post by londonroader on Apr 16, 2014 20:31:24 GMT
I agree that it's a disgrace what's happening to the Priory. But I really can't see it opening as a pub again anytime soon. OGB will maybe have to secure the building and make some repairs - but surely there's no way of forcing him to run a loss-making boozer, much as we might all want it back? And he isn't going to do it out of the kindness of his heart! Loss making!! I thought there was a roaring trade in food, tins and cider?
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 16, 2014 20:37:18 GMT
That I thought was down to Oxvox the voice of Oxford utd. Baz, we are the voice of Oxford United; us supporters. OxVox represents us in certain ways - like with the club. This is a situation where the volume of complaints may be changing the attitude of the Council. It's good if Oxvox helps but it's not just their fight - it's ours. The more complaints there are about the Priory, and it's owners shamefully letting it fall to bits, the better. Getcha game face on feller. We're starting to make a difference.[/quote] I hope we are making a difference Paul, Im not trying to appear pessimistic, it's just ....... well his as CW once said Poxy council they are blinkered. If however the university had something to do with the priory you bet your life the OCC would be very prompt with their action over the well being of the Priory.
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Post by Maurice Earp on Apr 16, 2014 21:38:07 GMT
Have you tried to contact Oxford City Council? or English Heritage? That I thought was down to Oxvox the voice of Oxford utd. Are you a member of OxVox? Just askin.
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