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Post by mcf86 on Mar 4, 2014 10:05:39 GMT
English Heritage and Oxford Civic Society have both urged Oxford City Council to 'Intervene' with regards the Priory? PH and 'take action' to stop it from falling into ruin. It has already been vandalised, windows smashed, fires lit and rough sleepers using it.
The grade 2 listed building is leased by firoka and has 50 years lease left.
Members of the Civic society have said it's a 'disgrace' that the building is so damagingly neglected.
Only 3/4 weeks ago I made a formal complaint to OCC about the state of The Priory (As it is suggested members of the public do to report unused buildings) and filled in a 'complaint form' online, so far, no response. So I hope that the interest of the Civic society and English heritage will prompt OCC to force firoka to clean up their act.
Would be great if it could be re-opened sometime in the not too distant, preferably owned by a more responsible landlord.
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Post by Hicko on Mar 4, 2014 17:03:31 GMT
im a bit surprised there hasnt been a big "accidental" fire there and the place has had to get knocked down. poor old Kassam would have to pay out of his own pocket to build some brand new building there and make lots of money out of it.
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Post by Maurice Earp on Mar 4, 2014 17:33:05 GMT
Its a grade 2* listed building and I e-mailed English Heritage, receiving the following reply "Thank you for emailing English Heritage about The Priory in Littlemore. The responsibilities associated with the ownership of a listed building include requiring listed building consent for any material changes to the property. Unless Listed Building Consent or Planning Permission have been applied for, English Heritage would not be consulted. I would advise passing your concerns about the property on to the Conservation Officer in the Planning Department of the Local Authority. The Local Authority have the power to take action to secure the repair of a listed building if they are concerned about its condition. The link below contains further information about this: www.english-heritage.org.uk/professional/advice/hpg/HAR/urgentworks/ You can also request that the building be considered for inclusion on the English Heritage Buildings at Risk register, if you consider that the property is at risk of being irreparably damaged by a lack of maintenance. If you feel this is the case I will notify the team that deal with Heritage at Risk".
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Post by cruz on Mar 4, 2014 18:34:50 GMT
>Maurice..good for you..but re that last bit.. "You can also request that the building be considered for inclusion on the English Heritage Buildings at Risk register, if you consider that the property is at risk of being irreparably damaged by a lack of maintenance. If you feel this is the case I will notify the team that deal with Heritage at Risk".
well it is isn't it?..so did you tell 'em to do that? would be good no?
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Post by mcf86 on Mar 4, 2014 19:18:49 GMT
Its a grade 2* listed building and I e-mailed English Heritage, receiving the following reply "Thank you for emailing English Heritage about The Priory in Littlemore. The responsibilities associated with the ownership of a listed building include requiring listed building consent for any material changes to the property. Unless Listed Building Consent or Planning Permission have been applied for, English Heritage would not be consulted. I would advise passing your concerns about the property on to the Conservation Officer in the Planning Department of the Local Authority. The Local Authority have the power to take action to secure the repair of a listed building if they are concerned about its condition. The link below contains further information about this: www.english-heritage.org.uk/professional/advice/hpg/HAR/urgentworks/ You can also request that the building be considered for inclusion on the English Heritage Buildings at Risk register, if you consider that the property is at risk of being irreparably damaged by a lack of maintenance. If you feel this is the case I will notify the team that deal with Heritage at Risk". Just emailed EH and said that, in my opinion the property is at risk of being 'irreparably damaged' as the vandalism is likely to continue and there are no indications that the damage already done will be rectified.
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Post by sarge on Mar 4, 2014 20:37:56 GMT
im a bit surprised there hasnt been a big "accidental" fire there and the place has had to get knocked down. poor old Kassam would have to pay out of his own pocket to build some brand new building there and make lots of money out of it. actually, there was an attempted fire there...the same night a few windows went in too....OM reported it...it wasnt long after it shut, maybe the night after....voiced my similar suspicions to yours, at the time it happened
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Post by oxymoron on Mar 4, 2014 21:10:48 GMT
im a bit surprised there hasnt been a big "accidental" fire there and the place has had to get knocked down. poor old Kassam would have to pay out of his own pocket to build some brand new building there and make lots of money out of it. OCC own the building. If there was a big "accidental" fire, it would be the council taxpayer that would be funding the restoration works, just as it is they who are being urged to take action, ie spend money, to secure the building. "Poor old Kassam" would probably just get out of his 50 year lease without penalty....
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Post by Hicko on Mar 4, 2014 22:37:27 GMT
im a bit surprised there hasnt been a big "accidental" fire there and the place has had to get knocked down. poor old Kassam would have to pay out of his own pocket to build some brand new building there and make lots of money out of it. actually, there was an attempted fire there...the same night a few windows went in too....OM reported it...it wasnt long after it shut, maybe the night after....voiced my similar suspicions to yours, at the time it happened i would have thought he would have waited a year, let people forget about it, then have it burnt down. then again it might have been too obvious, so might have been a better plan. no one would believe it was an inside job a few days after it being closed.
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Post by Hicko on Mar 4, 2014 22:41:29 GMT
im a bit surprised there hasnt been a big "accidental" fire there and the place has had to get knocked down. poor old Kassam would have to pay out of his own pocket to build some brand new building there and make lots of money out of it. OCC own the building. If there was a big "accidental" fire, it would be the council taxpayer that would be funding the restoration works, just as it is they who are being urged to take action, ie spend money, to secure the building. "Poor old Kassam" would probably just get out of his 50 year lease without penalty.... but if there wasnt a building there, then the council would be more open to selling the land, Kassam wouldnt have to keep paying the rest of the lease and he would be able to build whatever he likes on the land after buying it. IF there was a fire and the building had to be knocked down, there wouldnt be any downside for Kassam.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Mar 4, 2014 23:20:25 GMT
I think the OCC will hope it is in so much disrepair that it has to be demolished for safety reasons, Then Firoka and OCC can settle the land and some dwvwloper can come in and build student flats for 600 students
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Post by Maurice Earp on Mar 5, 2014 0:01:39 GMT
>Maurice..good for you..but re that last bit.. "You can also request that the building be considered for inclusion on the English Heritage Buildings at Risk register, if you consider that the property is at risk of being irreparably damaged by a lack of maintenance. If you feel this is the case I will notify the team that deal with Heritage at Risk". well it is isn't it?..so did you tell 'em to do that? would be good no? I e-mailed them and said "Are you able to include this building on the "Buildings at Risk register"? Nothing has happened (apart from the site being boarded up last year) for nearly 8 months." Will see what response I get.
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 9, 2014 8:23:13 GMT
Radio Oxford ran a news item today about OCC taking action to stop Pubs from being turned into Supermarkets, admirable from our local Council- or maybe not, since they own The Priory and seem to have ignored the fact it has been closed for many months and is being allowed to fall into disrepair due to vandalism. I contacted Radox and accused OCC of 'Double standards' -they (Radox) are researching the facts, and will physically be visiting the Priory before running a story.
Watch this space!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 8:33:52 GMT
What I can't understand is why Oxford City Council, as owners of the Priory, aren't obliged to keep the building to a satisfactory grade 2 listed standard. Aren't they effectively acting like vandals by letting it deteriorate?
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 9, 2014 8:49:18 GMT
What I can't understand is why Oxford City Council, as owners of the Priory, aren't obliged to keep the building to a satisfactory grade 2 listed standard. Aren't they effectively acting like vandals by letting it deteriorate? Me neither, that's why I accused the council of 'double standards' - The Council do have a duty to maintain their own Properties and ensure their tenants do likewise. I have the feeling that the longer the Priory is closed- and allowed to deteriorate it would become an eyesore and past viable repair and therefore there might be less out cry if it was demolished to make way for another piece in the jigsaw of firokas' portfolio.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 9, 2014 8:53:16 GMT
Good work Mr 86. Keep going, if u need help.....
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Post by Eaststandboy on Apr 9, 2014 8:54:28 GMT
Just emailed Historic Buildings and Conservation Areas Team at OCC
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 9, 2014 9:22:01 GMT
Good work Mr 86. Keep going, if u need help..... The more people who get involved and put pressure on the council- the better! So sending an email to Heritage trust and Radox etc would be a good starting point. I'm hoping Radox air it this week and so if anyone can phone or text in a message to the station it would be great.
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Post by Maurice Earp on Apr 9, 2014 12:24:06 GMT
Radio Oxford ran a news item today about OCC taking action to stop Pubs from being turned into Supermarkets, admirable from our local Council- or maybe not, since they own The Priory and seem to have ignored the fact it has been closed for many months and is being allowed to fall into disrepair due to vandalism. I contacted Radox and accused OCC of 'Double standards' -they (Radox) are researching the facts, and will physically be visiting the Priory before running a story. Watch this space! MCF have responded to your pm.
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Post by sarge on Apr 9, 2014 12:54:37 GMT
Just emailed Historic Buildings and Conservation Areas Team at OCC so did I ..... AND Andrew Smith mp & English Heritage too
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Post by sarge on Apr 9, 2014 12:57:09 GMT
Good work Mr 86. Keep going, if u need help..... The more people who get involved and put pressure on the council- the better! So sending an email to Heritage trust and Radox etc would be a good starting point. I'm hoping Radox air it this week and so if anyone can phone or text in a message to the station it would be great. Whats the email adress for RadOx? - let me/US know (if)when its being aired I'll fire a text in, hopefully others will too
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Post by sarge on Apr 9, 2014 12:58:22 GMT
Good work Mr 86. Keep going, if u need help..... ditto that
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 9, 2014 13:31:56 GMT
The more people who get involved and put pressure on the council- the better! So sending an email to Heritage trust and Radox etc would be a good starting point. I'm hoping Radox air it this week and so if anyone can phone or text in a message to the station it would be great. Whats the email adress for RadOx? - let me/US know (if)when its being aired I'll fire a text in, hopefully others will too Depends whose show they air the feature on, likely to be Malcolm Boyden's show. malcolm.boyden@bbc.co.uk Text messages to 81333 -Start message with the word 'Oxford' or it won't get there! Phone in 03459-311111. I'll post here if and when there's any news.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 9, 2014 13:33:47 GMT
Just emailed Historic Buildings and Conservation Areas Team at OCC Emailed English Heritage & Oxford Planning dept as directed by Mr Earp. I'll mail Radox if someone would kindly..........
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 9, 2014 13:45:23 GMT
Malcolm Boyden's show. malcolm.boyden@bbc.co.uk Done. Thanks, mcf.
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Post by sarge on Apr 9, 2014 14:44:10 GMT
I emailed Phil Gayle as it was his show that had the pub/ supermarket /developers piece earlier ( wasnt it) .....still, the more presenters that are made aware of it the better :-)
the more pressure that can be put on the owners OCC, and from various avenues, the sooner they will have to act ! ( at least thats the theory!)
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 9, 2014 15:23:06 GMT
I emailed Phil Gayle as it was his show that had the pub/ supermarket /developers piece earlier ( wasnt it) .....still, the more presenters that are made aware of it the better :-) the more pressure that can be put on the owners OCC, and from various avenues, the sooner they will have to act ! ( at least thats the theory!) We want our boozer back.. we want our boozer back!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2014 15:26:05 GMT
I emailed Phil Gayle as it was his show that had the pub/ supermarket /developers piece earlier ( wasnt it) .....still, the more presenters that are made aware of it the better :-) the more pressure that can be put on the owners OCC, and from various avenues, the sooner they will have to act ! ( at least thats the theory!) We want our boozer back.. we want our boozer back!! We certainly do! Always used to have a couple of pints in the Priory before home matches, but now I tend to get to Oxford later and go straight into the ground. Don't like any of the options near the ground, or the Bird (sorry regulars!)
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 9, 2014 17:07:23 GMT
Just a thought, you have probably seen the thread on the situation regarding the Priory? - As a member of OxVox I'd like to know if the group could affect pressure on OCC to bring firoka to heel and either bring the PH back into its intended use and fit for purpose, or for them to relinquish the tenancy?
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Post by sarge on Apr 9, 2014 17:14:29 GMT
Just a thought, you have probably seen the thread on the situation regarding the Priory? - As a member of OxVox I'd like to know if the group could affect pressure on OCC to bring firoka to heel and either bring the PH back into its intended use and fit for purpose, or for them to relinquish the tenancy? as a member of OxVox I second that ....maybe Yellow Army will 'get on board' too?
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Post by sarge on Apr 9, 2014 17:18:51 GMT
The council not granting the marquee had a big influence on Tim walking and ultimately led to the situation we have today. It seems ironic that keeping the marquee in situ would be less of an eyesore than the current mess. Perhaps the council should be queried on this point.Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards ...good call Yuri' ..... mind you trying to get ANY kind of response regarding the Priory from Oxford City Council, so far, is like getting blood out of the proverbial stone(- or like getting £1 out of Ka$$am'$ pocket!)
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