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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2014 11:59:47 GMT
I'll tell you what I wouldn't do if I was owed £50, I wouldn't write a long, long thread on a forum whining about it. I don't think you're in the right or the wrong. Like 99.9% of other people (if not 100%), I couldn't care less. I do care about reinstating the Priory though, and applaud any ideas associated with it. Later today I'll write a piece about how I was short changed in my local Tesco,. It really was most unfair. See now that IS childish. Being short changed is clearly different to being not paid twice and lied to.
I'll ask you again, would you be happy to not be paid to do your job? Well?
It's £100 anyway
So what if you couldn't care less? Some people do. I couldn't care less about the priory. It was a dump which attracted dickheads and trouble. I'm more interested in watching a football match than drinking heavily and bellowing loudly beforehand.
So people who drank in the Priory were dickheads? The more you post the more pathetic you sound. If you are such an avid OUFC supporter perhaps you could have taken the horrendous strain of playing a few tunes for nothing, for the benefit of the club, rather than expecting to get paid and complaining to the world when you don't. (By the way, get a sense of humour. My Tesco comment was so clearly ironic that surely even the most challenged intellect could spot it?)
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Post by foley on Apr 11, 2014 12:01:42 GMT
The lack of the Priory is a major influence in our decision not to come down to as many home matches as in the past. Travelling from York and arriving for around 1pm to ensure a parking space is fine but to then face effectively nothing to do for the 2 hours before kick-off just isn't attractive. The pubs in sandford are a good walk away, It isn't far to Sandford. I get to the Priory car park at 1.10- in the CW at around 1.25 and don't have to leave until 2.20-2.25. So an hour in the pub. I appreciate that you may well miss the Priory, but there are options.
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Post by captainox on Apr 11, 2014 12:18:55 GMT
The lack of the Priory is a major influence in our decision not to come down to as many home matches as in the past. Travelling from York and arriving for around 1pm to ensure a parking space is fine but to then face effectively nothing to do for the 2 hours before kick-off just isn't attractive. The pubs in sandford are a good walk away, so by the time you've wandered down that way and had a pint, it is time to wander back again. I generally refuse to use any Kassam owned outlets so the bowlplex/hotel/ozone aren't an option but unfortunately may have to become one if the Priory can't be made to work. At the Priory you could leave at 14:50 and still be in your seat for 15:00. We came down on Boxing Day and it was poor. We resorted to turkey sandwiches in the car park whilst listening to Radio Oxford. If their hadn't been the stuff organised inside the ground pre kick-off, it would have been an awful matchday experience. We can't be a very attractive away day for many clubs now - miles away from the centre of town, little to do around the ground before kickoff and a poorly maintained ground. A lot of friends are travelling down from York for the game on Good Friday and have been asking why I'm not. In addition to the pessimism surrounding the team, the awful matchday experience just doesn't make me want to spend money to travel a 400 mile round trip. I'd rather save it for Scunthorpe/Northampton and the summer. I'm not sure if people like you are just stupid or hypocritical - or both?
So you will boycott the Bowlplex which Kassam owns, but were happy to go to the Priory - which he also owns? Can you explain how it's ok to by a drink in the priory but not in the Bowlplex?
All these silly little protests are just childish and pointless. It's impossible for any of us not to end up funding Kassam in some way, so why be so childish about it and why not just accept it?
Where does a lot of the club's income come from? Match days. And what's a massive outgoing for us? Rent - to Kassam. So it's pretty safe to say that some of our ticket money pays the rent to him. Which is no different to spending money in the Priory because most of the money made in there went to rent to Kassam! But somehow that's OK, but drinking in the Bowlplex isn't?
These petty and contradictory little protests are a waste of time and are about as effective as a cat-flap in the elephant house. Grow up.
Yes FK made money from the Priory but the landlord did as much as possible to make this a welcoming place for football fans. I'd much rather enjoy a drink in the atmosphere of a pub mixing with fellow OUFC fans and talking to away fans. Having the choice of a bowling alley which from experience often has a lot of families in on a Saturday afternoon who look totally confused/unnerved when a load of football fans start queuing at the bars. The Priory as I understand didn't make very much money during the week and weekends if OUFC were playing away, so I felt less guilty about going there and spending than the Bowlplex/Ozone complexes that are open 7 days a week and raking in the money for FK. As for the point about ticket money. I HAVE to pay my ticket money if I want to watch OUFC at home, I have no choice in the matter. However, I had a choice about where else I could spend my money around the ground, yes it is impossible to not fund Kassam in some way but I'd rather fund Kassam from a pub than through a bowling alley & leisure centre. A lot of football fans like to have couple of pints before they attend the game, I'd say the majority of those who do this would much prefer to have a drink in a recognised pub than other alternatives that happen to sell alcohol.
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Post by southstandyellow on Apr 11, 2014 13:32:51 GMT
good post that ^^^^^
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Post by sarge on Apr 11, 2014 15:04:11 GMT
Hm, English Heritage have sent my query (asking to have the Priory put on the at risk register) to their heritage at risk team. We'll see. Nothing at all from the council. 5 'emails' ( to various Oxford City Council departments) via the City Councils own website over the past 4 months.... NOTHING emailed my two councillors asking why Ive had no replies.... ONE councilor is investigating why no replies, from the other councilor ...NOTHING ...ditto English Heritage though
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 11, 2014 15:56:38 GMT
...ditto English Heritage though I have received an application form to apply for Heritage at Risk status, which I want to fill in by end of April. I need photos, and I won't be able to get to the Priory in the next couple of weeks, so if anyone has photos of the damage please PM me. Thanks in advance.
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Post by sarge on Apr 11, 2014 16:26:51 GMT
...ditto English Heritage though I have received an application form to apply for Heritage at Risk status, which I want to fill in by end of April. I need photos, and I won't be able to get to the Priory in the next couple of weeks, so if anyone has photos of the damage please PM me. Thanks in advance. PM sent
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Post by sarge on Apr 11, 2014 16:27:39 GMT
I'll repeat myself, if I may. I have received an application form to apply for Heritage at Risk status, which I want to fill in by end of April. I need photos, and I won't be able to get to the Priory in the next couple of weeks, so if anyone has photos of the damage please PM me. Thanks in advance. pm sent
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Post by m on Apr 11, 2014 17:28:36 GMT
Shilbottle ..... more like Shitbottle. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards I feel dirty for laughing at that. I did though.
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Post by londonroader on Apr 11, 2014 17:55:31 GMT
I'll tell you what I wouldn't do if I was owed £50, I wouldn't write a long, long thread on a forum whining about it. I don't think you're in the right or the wrong. Like 99.9% of other people (if not 100%), I couldn't care less. I do care about reinstating the Priory though, and applaud any ideas associated with it. Later today I'll write a piece about how I was short changed in my local Tesco,. It really was most unfair. See now that IS childish. Being short changed is clearly different to being not paid twice and lied to.
I'll ask you again, would you be happy to not be paid to do your job? Well?
It's £100 anyway
So what if you couldn't care less? Some people do. I couldn't care less about the priory. It was a dump which attracted dickheads and trouble. I'm more interested in watching a football match than drinking heavily and bellowing loudly beforehand.
Welcome, I have empathy with your DJ issues. You will be fun around here
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 11, 2014 18:11:16 GMT
I'll tell you what I wouldn't do if I was owed £50, I wouldn't write a long, long thread on a forum whining about it. I don't think you're in the right or the wrong. Like 99.9% of other people (if not 100%), I couldn't care less. I do care about reinstating the Priory though, and applaud any ideas associated with it. Later today I'll write a piece about how I was short changed in my local Tesco,. It really was most unfair. See now that IS childish. Being short changed is clearly different to being not paid twice and lied to.
I'll ask you again, would you be happy to not be paid to do your job? Well?
It's £100 anyway
So what if you couldn't care less? Some people do. I couldn't care less about the priory. It was a dump which attracted dickheads and trouble. I'm more interested in watching a football match than drinking heavily and bellowing loudly beforehand.
What a pr*ck you are, been on here 5 minutes and you are lording it by insulting OUFC fans what a prat. I used to go for a pint with my mates have a beer, chat and a laugh no trouble then went to the match. I don't think well I know my mates and I wouldn't welcome you and if you called us d**kheads well I will leave that to your imagination.
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Post by sarge on Apr 11, 2014 20:20:23 GMT
See now that IS childish. Being short changed is clearly different to being not paid twice and lied to.
I'll ask you again, would you be happy to not be paid to do your job? Well?
It's £100 anyway
So what if you couldn't care less? Some people do. I couldn't care less about the priory. It was a dump which attracted dickheads and trouble. I'm more interested in watching a football match than drinking heavily and bellowing loudly beforehand.
Oh dear.... well shilbottle,....(or ' J.T,' from Kidlington area perhaps? ),.... any degree of sympathy you may previously have had regarding your experiences surrounding your try out/trial/audition as matchday 'DJ' has, Id say, gone out the window now!
Fact is, you had a trial as matchday 'DJ', the powers that be decided you werent good enough for what they required, wheras the person who is currently doing that particular 'job', by default, if nothing else, was chosen. End of.
.....A little tip for you, free, gratis, - and this is from experience as someone who DJs almost every weekend.... from original vinyl records.... ( discs which each command considerably more that £50 on the sizeable current market btw).... and that is Djing not only in the UK, but in various mainland European countries as well - ensure you ALWAYS get any agreement regarding payment (and rider) IN WRITING, before you actually do any work! You'll find that (literally) pays dividends time and time again
As for your comments stating you couldnt care less about the Priory and then insulting each and everyone of its many regular matchday customers..... if that is your view ( which I disagree with, but you are entitled to, no matter how erroneous or offensive I find your opinion to be) ... WHY even bother contributing to a thread titled " Priory? OCC 'Urged to take action' , if , as you claim, you couldnt care less about the Priory? ........ its confrontational, infantile and quite simply idiotic
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Post by Gary Baldi on Apr 11, 2014 20:51:09 GMT
If your local councillor is unresponsive, find out who the communications person is in the local party and complain to them. With local elections on a constant cycle, there are is mileage to be made if a councillor goes in communicado. It might be cynical, but parties want to get elected or remain in power.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 11, 2014 20:59:15 GMT
Where do they come from sarge?
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 12, 2014 6:22:14 GMT
Below is the link to Oxford City Council's complaints procedure, on this page there is a link to a straightforward online complaints form which takes 2 minutes to complete. The council have an obligation to formally respond to your complaint. I would use the form to complain regarding the Priory but you may also use the form to complain about the lack of response from various council departments. If anyone is still yet to contact Oxford City Council about their negligence regarding the upkeep of the Priory Public House, a listed building, I would urge them to do it through the link below. www.oxford.gov.uk/PageRender/decVanilla/CommentsComplimentsorComplaints.htmI filled in an online form alerting OCC to the state of the Priory -months ago and, nothing. I didn't realise they had a 'complaints procedure' so thank you, i'll give it a go!!
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Post by sarge on Apr 12, 2014 11:16:38 GMT
...... reply from one of my councilors ( nowt from t'other as yet).... it seems Oxford City Council's 'principle officer' regarding my communication in December, was off work, sick.... he hasnt as yet found out why Ive had no response to my communications of Jan & March this year as yet...apparently, the (City) councils principle officer hasnt got cover for when he/she is on hol or off sick I assume?..... also Im informed that , despite contacting Oxford City Council via their official website on the subject of the Priory, they ( Oxford City Council) have no record of any communications on the subject, from me! .....cynic that I am, I wonder if someone at Oxford City Council who 'looks after' communications via the website, has been a bit 'eager' with pressing that there DELETE button when certain subjects have been raised? ?? EDIT- letter received from Andrew Smith mp, who shares 'my' concerns about the state of repair of The Priory, and has contacted Oxford City Council to acertain what the terms of the lease in relation to the management of the site, and what the (City) Council are doing to enforce them....he is going to let me know their response....... I cant see Oxford City Council being able to 'conveniently' ignore (or delete/ lose) the MP for Oxford East's enquiry on the subject
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 12, 2014 12:45:58 GMT
...... reply from one of my councilors ( nowt from t'other as yet).... it seems Oxford City Council's 'principle officer' regarding my communication in December, was off work, sick.... he hasnt as yet found out why Ive had no response to my communications of Jan & March this year as yet...apparently, the (City) councils principle officer hasnt got cover for when he/she is on hol or off sick I assume?..... also Im informed that , despite contacting Oxford City Council via their official website on the subject of the Priory, they ( Oxford City Council) have no record of any communications on the subject, from me! .....cynic that I am, I wonder if someone at Oxford City Council who 'looks after' communications via the website, has been a bit 'eager' with pressing that there DELETE button when certain subjects have been raised? ?? EDIT- letter received from Andrew Smith mp, who shares 'my' concerns about the state of repair of The Priory, and has contacted Oxford City Council to acertain what the terms of the lease in relation to the management of the site, and what the (City) Council are doing to enforce them....he is going to let me know their response....... I cant see Oxford City Council being able to 'conveniently' ignore (or delete/ lose) the MP for Oxford East's enquiry on the subject Nice one sarge!! I filled in an online 'complaints form' to OCC, this time I actually got a Ref Number, so I can badger them!!
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Post by Eaststandboy on Apr 14, 2014 9:32:41 GMT
Just had a reply:
"I do apologise for the delay in responding to it. We have had a number of site meetings and also a member of staff off sick last week.
Thank you for your email. We are aware of the condition of the Priory and have been asking the tenants to take appropriate action to ensure that the building is secure and weather tight. We are also in discussion with the tenants agents about a repair programme associated with the planning permission for a hotel next door.
We are very appreciative of the time and effort you have taken to inspect the property. In a period of stretched resources local 'eyes' are of immense value.
Kind regards Sarah"
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 14, 2014 11:47:49 GMT
Just had a reply: "I do apologise for the delay in responding to it. We have had a number of site meetings and also a member of staff off sick last week. Thank you for your email. We are aware of the condition of the Priory and have been asking the tenants to take appropriate action to ensure that the building is secure and weather tight. We are also in discussion with the tenants agents about a repair programme associated with the planning permission for a hotel next door. We are very appreciative of the time and effort you have taken to inspect the property. In a period of stretched resources local 'eyes' are of immense value. Kind regards Sarah" At least you have had a response, interesting Re the PP application for 'A Hotel next door.' Not sure I'm too happy with OCC who appear to be pussy-footing about though- and don't mention any intention of getting the PH back into use.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Apr 14, 2014 12:01:02 GMT
sbaines@oxford.gov.uk was the person to reply. cc'd to JDRZEWICKA@oxford.gov.uk and nworlledge@oxford.gov.uk.
We always knew Mr K wants a hotel next to the priory.
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Post by mcf86 on Apr 14, 2014 12:08:03 GMT
sbaines@oxford.gov.uk was the person to reply. cc'd to JDRZEWICKA@oxford.gov.uk and nworlledge@oxford.gov.uk. We always knew Mr K wants a hotel next to the priory. Yes, but does he want a 'skanky' looking old building 'next door'? Hopefully, the Council will use the application for a Hotel to insist the Priory has a total refurb before any construction begins?
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Post by Eaststandboy on Apr 14, 2014 12:10:04 GMT
sbaines@oxford.gov.uk was the person to reply. cc'd to JDRZEWICKA@oxford.gov.uk and nworlledge@oxford.gov.uk. We always knew Mr K wants a hotel next to the priory. Yes, but does he want a 'skanky' looking old building 'next door'? Hopefully, the Council will use the application for a Hotel to insist the Priory has a total refurb before any construction begins? "We are also in discussion with the tenants agents about a repair programme associated with the planning permission for a hotel next door. " I guess that is exactly what she means. But still, its coming up to a year since the Priory was vacated and Mr K hasnt bothered to do anything. I sent a reply to her asking for confirmation of the grade listing.
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Post by Eaststandboy on Apr 14, 2014 14:41:21 GMT
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 14, 2014 15:39:22 GMT
Just had a reply: "I do apologise for the delay in responding to it. We have had a number of site meetings and also a member of staff off sick last week. Thank you for your email. We are aware of the condition of the Priory and have been asking the tenants to take appropriate action to ensure that the building is secure and weather tight. We are also in discussion with the tenants agents about a repair programme associated with the planning permission for a hotel next door. We are very appreciative of the time and effort you have taken to inspect the property. In a period of stretched resources local 'eyes' are of immense value. Kind regards Sarah" At least you have had a response, interesting Re the PP application for 'A Hotel next door.' Not sure I'm too happy with OCC who appear to be pus*y-footing about though- and don't mention any intention of getting the PH back into use. I got this reply, too.
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Post by sarge on Apr 14, 2014 15:50:01 GMT
Glad someone has had a reply on the subject FROM OCC at last!
English Heritage have acknowleged receipt of my email, and have since requested images ( taken taken on Fri evening) clearly showing, damage and deterioration to the Priory building
( Severe damage to the front door, severe damage to the beer- cellar cooler unit, an ever growing pile of fly tipped rubbish ( at the old minchery farm building end), which amongst the piles of it also shows clearly visible signs of at lest 2 attempts to set fire to the fly tipped trash. Also on the side of the Priory, faccing the opposite side to the leaseholder of The Priory's self- named 'breeze blook' stadium, most if not ALL the cast iron drain pipes have been removed ( Stolen & sold for scrap? ), visible water damage to the walls of the grade 2 listed building is clearly there for all to see)
I also via OCC website posted another complaint re the Priory & the way its been allowed to fall into seriously bad repair, this time I attached some of the photos I took on Friday. Surprisingly I had a(n automated) response from OCC giving me a complaint reference number! - Seems OCC with responses to complaints via their own website are about as prolific as OUFC winning games,(of late). Mind you an away win at Plymouth plus a response from OCC too,both give hope for the forthcoming weeks, albeit in different 'arenas' :-)
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 14, 2014 15:54:37 GMT
Building at Risk application is progressing with us supporting an application from a body that's set up to do this sort of thing. There's a clear timetable for actions.
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Post by chappers on Apr 14, 2014 16:41:00 GMT
Not with a £50k per annum lease Is that what Firoz is paying for it, or the figure he passes on to the tenant? That was what Tim as paying
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Post by sarge on Apr 14, 2014 18:19:58 GMT
That was what Tim as paying the Owner of the Priory , Oxford City Council should make the leaseholder ( Ka$$am, via one of his property companys), stump up the £500, 000 that will probably need to be invested in the grade 2 listed building, to put it back into being a viable business as a pub, and also to pay for the extensive repairs and refurbishment, as the building has been allowed to fall into a disgraceful condition since OGB boarded it up last summer!- he obviosly didnt reinvest ANY of the extortianately outrageously pricey rent he charged for the Priory back into the Grade 2 listed building which is leased into HIS care!!! then maybe, OxVox WILL try to get OUFC to take the lease as a matchday supporters club? ( maybe share the lease with the, & it pains me to say this, eggchasing 'magpies'LW, as also 'their' matchday supporters club too? )
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Post by sarge on Apr 15, 2014 12:12:39 GMT
AT LAST..... seems someone has stirred something up at Oxford City Council.....had a phone call apologising for no response to my enquiries/complaints re The Priory over the past 5 months..... also I was assured that not only is the current ( Priory) situation being looked at by the several different City Council departments relevant to the various issues....also there is an investigation as to why my previous communications were not responded to.
Oxford Preservation Trust, English Heritage, one of my local Councilors, My MP, as well as finally (the Owner of The Priory) Oxford City Council are all 'on the case' .....
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Post by bazzer9461 on Apr 15, 2014 14:54:29 GMT
AT LAST..... seems someone has stirred something up at Oxford City Council.....had a phone call apologising for no response to my enquiries/complaints re The Priory over the past 5 months..... also I was assured that not only is the current ( Priory) situation being looked at by the several different City Council departments relevant to the various issues....also there is an investigation as to why my previous communications were not responded to. Oxford Preservation Trust, English Heritage, one of my local Councilors, My MP, as well as finally (the Owner of The Priory) Oxford City Council are all 'on the case' ..... About bloody time Sarge keep us informed mate.
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