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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 5:01:58 GMT
Yes having been given the initial opportunity they declined. Then the OUFC logos sprung up courtesy of OXVOX and FIROKA and they had a change of mind. I'd be interested to know the positioning of them just to make sure all's in order..... Not exactly how it happened but whatever it pleases you to believe, the fact is that during the negotiations to stay at the Kassam for the next three years it was agreed that LW could put up signage at the stadium, however a financial decision was taken to wait to see which league we were playing in before committing the money. As to the issue of rent, two seasons ago LW were paying something over £400k, which last season was negotiated down to just under £300k, with around about £2k per match deducted for not using the upper tier. For the following 3 seasons LW have negotiated a rent of just below two years ago, but for only the use of the one stand(both tiers)and I am sure we will pay extra up to what we were paying before if we use the North stand. As for attendances it looks like they are going to pass somewhere in the middle as LW's rise and OUFC's fall. Can you all stop whinging on about the pitch, it was better last season than many of the pitches OUFC will have played on away from home. the reason that other clubs with dual codes have immaculate pitches is that they are all owned by fairly well off football clubs and established premiership rugby sides, who can afford a 3G setup And the worst pitch in the last 30 years that we have played on at home. Your club has no soul. It's the Chelsea of rugby and a sell out. So spare us the lectures please.
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Post by Colin B on Sept 5, 2014 6:44:04 GMT
I really hope that, if we ever do move to a new stadium, we do it alone, and don't have egg chasing anywhere near the place! Agree with that. However, according to Ian Lenagan, who mentioned it at the AGM. He plans to take London Welsh with us should we move to Water Eaton. His arrogance knows no bounds. He's yesterday's man, and the sooner he's gone completely the better. His tenure has been a disaster and that statement appears to confirm that he's learnt little from his eight years at the helm.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Sept 5, 2014 11:34:26 GMT
Yes having been given the initial opportunity they declined. Then the OUFC logos sprung up courtesy of OXVOX and FIROKA and they had a change of mind. I'd be interested to know the positioning of them just to make sure all's in order..... Not exactly how it happened but whatever it pleases you to believe, the fact is that during the negotiations to stay at the Kassam for the next three years it was agreed that LW could put up signage at the stadium, however a financial decision was taken to wait to see which league we were playing in before committing the money. As to the issue of rent, two seasons ago LW were paying something over £400k, which last season was negotiated down to just under £300k, with around about £2k per match deducted for not using the upper tier. For the following 3 seasons LW have negotiated a rent of just below two years ago, but for only the use of the one stand(both tiers)and I am sure we will pay extra up to what we were paying before if we use the North stand. As for attendances it looks like they are going to pass somewhere in the middle as LW's rise and OUFC's fall. Can you all stop whinging on about the pitch, it was better last season than many of the pitches OUFC will have played on away from home. the reason that other clubs with dual codes have immaculate pitches is that they are all owned by fairly well off football clubs and established premiership rugby sides, who can afford a 3G setup I don't know who you are (employee or fan) but I'd suggest you get your facts right instead of inferring I am lying or fabricating the truth. I was quite aware of what happened having been involved with the proposals, having met Mr Kassam and his team and knowing that Firoka wanted to give LW the very same opportunity before they sanctioned the project. I am also very aware that LW declined (dress it up how you want but they declined at the time and I don't really care if that was because there was a financial decision or they wanted to wait). OxVox were then aware of your recent intentions, designs and proposal. Then I was contacted by your Commercial Director personally. So with respect, unless you're an employee, then I am quite comfortable with the accuracy of my original post. It'd be nice to work together but with your childish remarks about attendances then you don't do London Welsh many favours.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 11:54:43 GMT
The more people like Chappers aliebate the local sporting crowd the better as far as I can tell
They have the whiff of R&D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2014 12:17:37 GMT
As for attendances it looks like they are going to pass somewhere in the middle as LW's rise and OUFC's fall. You mean as LW's rise from an appallingly low start point to a still embarrassingly sparse figure, while Oxford's drop to a level that is still towards the top of the L2 averages, despite our current position? Don't get ahead of yourself. There's still a very clear senior / junior partner relationship at the Kassam.
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Post by Junior on Sept 5, 2014 14:03:36 GMT
But does Kassam view it like that? It seems LE actually get things done when they make noises. Now that's not a dig at Oxvox but it seems as soon as they complain about something it gets actioned.
Again no disrespect, but can we say the same for Oxvox and Oxford Utd?*
* delighted to be proved wrong on that last sentence.
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Post by scotters on Sept 5, 2014 14:13:08 GMT
But does Kassam view it like that? It seems LE actually get things done when they make noises. Now that's not a dig at Oxvox but it seems as soon as they complain about something it gets actioned. Again no disrespect, but can we say the same for Oxvox and Oxford Utd? LW have got more clout with Kassam because they've got other options than playing at Grenoble Road, simple as. Realistically if OUFC ever gets control of its stadium (whether Grenoble Road or elsewhere), whoever's in control of the club/stadium would be daft not to try to get LW in as tenants. Not many clubs that would turn down 300k a year (if what Chappers said is right) just for the benefit of a better playing surface.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Sept 5, 2014 14:21:16 GMT
Its a shame that the kind of snide arrogance exemplified by the likes of chappers is almost all we have ever had from LW. They had an real opportunity to make a success of the move to Oxford when they arrived, and it would have been so easy to embrace the football club to kick-start that process. I recall there being some token gestures made in this direction, but not nearly enough was done.
Then, you get LW fans coming on this board making disparaging comments about OUFC and failing to acknowledge any responsibility for the state of the pitch. This, while not solely their fault, would not have been as bad as it was had not the extra demands of rugby been placed on it, and is surely one of the sorest points in the two clubs' relations. Disclaiming responsibility for it only opens up this old wound.
The analogy of a cuckoo is not absolutely correct to describe Welsh but the visceral reaction that a lot of OUFC fans seem to have when LW are mentioned is the same as that which people have to a bird which plants its egg in someone else's nest so it can act as a parasite, eventually killing the existing chick.
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Post by grb on Sept 5, 2014 14:51:51 GMT
I can't begin to tell you how much I hate rugby!!
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Post by Si Bradbury on Sept 5, 2014 16:41:32 GMT
But does Kassam view it like that? It seems LE actually get things done when they make noises. Now that's not a dig at Oxvox but it seems as soon as they complain about something it gets actioned. Again no disrespect, but can we say the same for Oxvox and Oxford Utd?* * delighted to be proved wrong on that last sentence. Bit lost Junior. OxVox made representation to Firoka several years ago (see our minutes) on the prospect of getting approval to add signage to the stadium. All being part of the Heritage Project and trying to add some OUFC identity. It got blocked by people under Firoz and red tape. Then as recently as April OxVox met Firoz about a number of issues and we discussed the signage once more. Firoz approved it pretty much on the spot and we thanked him accordingly. In fact, he couldn't have been more accommodating in making it happen. At that very time, Welsh were invited to have them done at the same time, which they declined to do. Of course, they were expected to do them at some point in time in the future which everyone was aware of.
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Post by oxford84 on Sept 5, 2014 16:44:16 GMT
Yes having been given the initial opportunity they declined. Then the OUFC logos sprung up courtesy of OXVOX and FIROKA and they had a change of mind. I'd be interested to know the positioning of them just to make sure all's in order..... Not exactly how it happened but whatever it pleases you to believe, the fact is that during the negotiations to stay at the Kassam for the next three years it was agreed that LW could put up signage at the stadium, however a financial decision was taken to wait to see which league we were playing in before committing the money. As to the issue of rent, two seasons ago LW were paying something over £400k, which last season was negotiated down to just under £300k, with around about £2k per match deducted for not using the upper tier. For the following 3 seasons LW have negotiated a rent of just below two years ago, but for only the use of the one stand(both tiers)and I am sure we will pay extra up to what we were paying before if we use the North stand. As for attendances it looks like they are going to pass somewhere in the middle as LW's rise and OUFC's fall. Can you all stop whinging on about the pitch, it was better last season than many of the pitches OUFC will have played on away from home. the reason that other clubs with dual codes have immaculate pitches is that they are all owned by fairly well off football clubs and established premiership rugby sides, who can afford a 3G setup The pitch was still shit because you played on it,when you didnt play on the pitch there was never any problem at all. I hope you get relegated and cant afford the rent.
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Post by nick68 on Sept 5, 2014 17:58:17 GMT
In fairness regarding the pitch, I think it's was slowly getting worse over many years. What was the lifespan of the original pitch that was so high-tec and visited by other clubs? My guess is the arrival of London Welsh coincided with the final break down of that first pitch, not saying it didn't help speed that process up but don't think we can fully blame rugby! I think if we owned the stadium and were in receipt of their rent then we'd see things a little differently and would be better placed to ensure the pitch was suitably maintained.
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Post by Junior on Sept 5, 2014 20:19:48 GMT
The signs looks great and certainly makes it a have a more Oufc feel.
BB I was more referring to the lack of stadium improvements inside the ground. The toilets for example. Firoka have been approached I believe? Yet have done nothing.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 5, 2014 21:18:53 GMT
I dare say once the men in red trousers and their floppy-haired offspring in 3/4 length strides start going regularly the toilets will improve.
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Post by oxrox on Sept 7, 2014 15:39:55 GMT
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Post by stevegilbert on Sept 7, 2014 16:15:54 GMT
A massive 2766 in attendance as well.
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Post by Junior on Sept 7, 2014 19:04:20 GMT
How many home games do they have in the league? Be interesting to see if their total crowds out do ours.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 7, 2014 19:22:49 GMT
How many home games do they have in the league? Be interesting to see if their total crowds out do ours. Think it's about 16
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Post by Junior on Sept 7, 2014 19:24:23 GMT
There's a fair chance their total crowds may be above ours so may want to leave the p*ss taking on crowds out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 19:35:10 GMT
And if we were in the top flight of our sport ours would dwarf theirs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 20:00:27 GMT
There's a fair chance their total crowds may be above ours so may want to leave the p*ss taking on crowds out of it. Aren't LW only leasing the South Stand? So even if they sell out their remaining 10 home games, after today's 2,776, their maximum total will be 52,776. OUFC only need to average 2,295 over 23 games to beat that. I think it's doable.
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Post by billyox on Sept 7, 2014 20:00:49 GMT
There's a fair chance their total crowds may be above ours so may want to leave the p*ss taking on crowds out of it. That will only happen because the likes of Northampton and Leicester will fill the kassam with there own support. Lw own support is crap last season they was barely reaching 1000 att Sent from my SM-N9005 using proboards
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Post by Junior on Sept 7, 2014 20:03:05 GMT
There's a fair chance their total crowds may be above ours so may want to leave the p*ss taking on crowds out of it. Aren't LW only leasing the South Stand? So even if they sell out their remaining 10 home games, after today's 2,776, their maximum total will be 52,776. OUFC only need to average 2,295 over 23 games to beat that. I think it's doable. For the championship playoffs they opened the north stand.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 7, 2014 20:05:59 GMT
Aren't LW only leasing the South Stand? So even if they sell out their remaining 10 home games, after today's 2,776, their maximum total will be 52,776. OUFC only need to average 2,295 over 23 games to beat that. I think it's doable. For the championship playoffs they opened the north stand. Oooohhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 20:09:27 GMT
Aren't LW only leasing the South Stand? So even if they sell out their remaining 10 home games, after today's 2,776, their maximum total will be 52,776. OUFC only need to average 2,295 over 23 games to beat that. I think it's doable. For the championship playoffs they opened the north stand. OK, only they're only advertising seats in SSU and SSL on their website for championship matches.
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Post by Colin B on Sept 7, 2014 20:40:58 GMT
Aren't LW only leasing the South Stand? So even if they sell out their remaining 10 home games, after today's 2,776, their maximum total will be 52,776. OUFC only need to average 2,295 over 23 games to beat that. I think it's doable. For the championship playoffs they opened the north stand. What are you? A bloody LW fan now? Make your mind up. Is it OUFC, Man Utd, or LW that you follow?
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Post by Junior on Sept 7, 2014 22:16:59 GMT
Only one team for me, Eric. However, if there is top flight sport that I'm interested in on my door step I will go along and take advantage of it. Like other Oxford fans do.
If London Welsh stay up they will grow in and around Oxford. The links and foundations they are laying will get stronger. The fan base will get bigger. It will also benefit the city of Oxford. Now that can't be a bad thing, can it?
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Post by Si Bradbury on Sept 8, 2014 9:10:02 GMT
The signs looks great and certainly makes it a have a more Oufc feel. BB I was more referring to the lack of stadium improvements inside the ground. The toilets for example. Firoka have been approached I believe? Yet have done nothing. OK sorry, you are correct. The toilet areas are simply disgusting. I'll note this and report back.
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Post by chappers on Sept 9, 2014 22:45:35 GMT
Not exactly how it happened but whatever it pleases you to believe, the fact is that during the negotiations to stay at the Kassam for the next three years it was agreed that LW could put up signage at the stadium, however a financial decision was taken to wait to see which league we were playing in before committing the money. As to the issue of rent, two seasons ago LW were paying something over £400k, which last season was negotiated down to just under £300k, with around about £2k per match deducted for not using the upper tier. For the following 3 seasons LW have negotiated a rent of just below two years ago, but for only the use of the one stand(both tiers)and I am sure we will pay extra up to what we were paying before if we use the North stand. As for attendances it looks like they are going to pass somewhere in the middle as LW's rise and OUFC's fall. Can you all stop whinging on about the pitch, it was better last season than many of the pitches OUFC will have played on away from home. the reason that other clubs with dual codes have immaculate pitches is that they are all owned by fairly well off football clubs and established premiership rugby sides, who can afford a 3G setup I don't know who you are (employee or fan) but I'd suggest you get your facts right instead of inferring I am lying or fabricating the truth. I was quite aware of what happened having been involved with the proposals, having met Mr Kassam and his team and knowing that Firoka wanted to give LW the very same opportunity before they sanctioned the project. I am also very aware that LW declined (dress it up how you want but they declined at the time and I don't really care if that was because there was a financial decision or they wanted to wait). OxVox were then aware of your recent intentions, designs and proposal. Then I was contacted by your Commercial Director personally. So with respect, unless you're an employee, then I am quite comfortable with the accuracy of my original post. It'd be nice to work together but with your childish remarks about attendances then you don't do London Welsh many favours. My position is that I am the membership secretary of LW supporters club and like yourself regularly meet with our club, I have lived in Oxford for all of my life and have followed LW and OUFC since I was about 10. Rugby has always been my first love, however I care very much about what happens to OUFC. the fact of the matter is that at the time of the negotiations with regards to signage LW didn't know exactly where they were going to be this season, the new commercial director wasn't even in place and so for whatever reasons they decided not to commit to anything at that stage. My main issues surrounding the attendances come from the fact as to why OUFC fans are so concerned about LW's attendances and their finances. right from day one our chairman engaged fully with IL and in fact they both got on very well personally, however Il described FK as very hard to deal with whilst for whatever reason our Chairman managed to negotiate with fairly well. Lone Gunman describes my attitude as snide arrogance which I can assure you is not intended and nothing compared to the attitude on here when LW first moved to town and most people on here, thought that OUFC had all the rights to being the only professional sports team in town, the vitriol there had a hint of pure hatred, fortunately that has mellowed and most people at least have an argument to back up their position. As I see it both clubs are currently in a state of flux and some of the discontent would be better directed, back towards the clubs themselves. The one thing that has happened lately though is that LW finally seem to have a far more joined up strategy in place whereas OUFC are giving out very mixed messages, the whole Water Eaton thing doesn't strengthen the clubs position with Kassam, especially with LW being there and it doesn't even appear that OUFC are even singing from the same sheet on that one. From a personal point of view I would see nothing better than OUFC and LW coming together for the benefit of the two clubs and Brahmabul I would be more than happy to meet with you and arrange a meeting between the two supporters groups to see how we can benefit the two fanbases and clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2014 23:04:00 GMT
Secretary of the supporters club? I guess given your general attitude to Oxford fans on here you're not on a recruitment drive?
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