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Post by scotchegg on Sept 15, 2017 15:51:38 GMT
I'm not sure it is? It is becoming a regular issue at our games and we have a lot of fans who feel strongly about the impact it can have to their health or others. If a way of stopping it is posting pictures to see if anyone can identify who is letting the things off then I don't see a problem with it. Would you feel the same if it was you being accused without justification? Has anyone being accused? Seen a few comments about a couple of lads looking smug - hardly hung drawn and quartered!!
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Post by sarge on Sept 15, 2017 16:12:57 GMT
I'm not sure it is? It is becoming a regular issue at our games and we have a lot of fans who feel strongly about the impact it can have to their health or others. If a way of stopping it is posting pictures to see if anyone can identify who is letting the things off then I don't see a problem with it. Would you feel the same if it was you being accused without justification? Sounds like Mr Mixters Ox Tales database will get off to a flying start with some willing contributors to that particularly questionable 'proposal' already
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 15, 2017 16:13:35 GMT
I'm not sure it is? It is becoming a regular issue at our games and we have a lot of fans who feel strongly about the impact it can have to their health or others. If a way of stopping it is posting pictures to see if anyone can identify who is letting the things off then I don't see a problem with it. Would you feel the same if it was you being accused without justification? Would u feel the same if say ur old man collapsed because of breathing difficulties. Works both ways
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Post by yellowsarmy on Sept 15, 2017 16:43:37 GMT
The answer to this is very simple. Nobody gets killed by flares (at least not since 93 in the UK) but they are illegal. So firstly don't use them/bring them to football and secondly lets legislate them into modern football along with standing areas. Modern football and its nanny stating is strangling the game and I dont think we need to settle for sanitised football. Compare the Curva Nord for Lazio against Fiorentina (where i was lucky enough to be pre season) and compare this to the Swindon match in the same year. Now i know the Stadio Olympico is a much bigger stadium but the atmosphere was much better. Fans climbing on the fences (imaging the east stand stewards if that happened here!) flares going off huge flags (i bet with no safety certificate there). Yes it was noisy and intimidating but me and my other half loved it it's what football should be. If someone let a flare off and it went on the pitch the sole consequence was it ended up in a bucket of water.
So please keep your smoke bombs at home whilst they are illegal in the uk, BUT the rules and regulations around modern football are for me a bigger threat to the future of the weekend drama i love. The game is being strangled by rules and people saying you cant do that and if the atmosphere in the stadium is degraded further we might as well watch in on the TV instead. I hope one day the situation may occur where legally the east stand can be more like the curva nord.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 15, 2017 16:50:23 GMT
Posters putting up pictures of other fans and marking them as 'suspects' surley a new low for the forum I think calling for Ian Mixter to be lynched beats this.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 15, 2017 16:51:07 GMT
The answer to this is very simple. Nobody gets killed by flares (at least not since 93 in the UK) but they are illegal. So firstly don't use them/bring them to football and secondly lets legislate them into modern football along with standing areas. Modern football and its nanny stating is strangling the game and I dont think we need to settle for sanitised football. Compare the Curva Nord for Lazio against Fiorentina (where i was lucky enough to be pre season) and compare this to the Swindon match in the same year. Now i know the Stadio Olympico is a much bigger stadium but the atmosphere was much better. Fans climbing on the fences (imaging the east stand stewards if that happened here!) flares going off huge flags (i bet with no safety certificate there). Yes it was noisy and intimidating but me and my other half loved it it's what football should be. If someone let a flare off and it went on the pitch the sole consequence was it ended up in a bucket of water. So please keep your smoke bombs at home whilst they are illegal in the uk, BUT the rules and regulations around modern football are for me a bigger threat to the future of the weekend drama i love. The game is being strangled by rules and people saying you cant do that and if the atmosphere in the stadium is degraded further we might as well watch in on the TV instead. I hope one day the situation may occur where legally the east stand can be more like the curva nord. Good post. And I think that's the same as the issue wth the disagreements between sitter and standers, singers non singers. U need an area where each type of support can get the enjoyment they want from football without effecting others. If they were legalised, and the east stand/a certain block were made an "ultras" area, then people have a clear choice of where they choose to sit, knowing that if u do go in that area they are likely to be flags and flares and people standing
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Post by Junior on Sept 15, 2017 17:07:44 GMT
Would you feel the same if it was you being accused without justification? Sounds like Mr Mixters Ox Tales database will get off to a flying start with some willing contributors to that particularly questionable 'proposal' already Ah, Mr mixers database.. I'd suggest he starts doing some gardening around the info he releases..
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Post by essexyellows on Sept 15, 2017 19:26:17 GMT
Posters putting up pictures of other fans and marking them as 'suspects' surley a new low for the forum Really? I just pointed out that, amongst all the folk covering their mouths and generally not enjoying the experience, those two chaps looked decidedly smug, then lo & behold their twin brother was next to the MK one looking similarly "pleased". Now I`m not adverse to atmosphere etc at grounds, in fact I believe some of European Ultra types have designed and patented "safe" flares that can be used to great effect. However these pricks seem to be driven by a different agenda purely aimed at pissing off one of the best owners we have had for decades because he had to play by the rules that they seem to think don`t apply to them. Putting it very bluntly if such folk try it in my vicinity they can expect a less than tolerant reaction. Final footnote for the "Twitterati" I am not a South Stand coffin dodger.
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Post by loveandpride on Sept 15, 2017 20:06:05 GMT
Posters putting up pictures of other fans and marking them as 'suspects' surley a new low for the forum Really? I just pointed out that, amongst all the folk covering their mouths and generally not enjoying the experience, those two chaps looked decidedly smug, then lo & behold their twin brother was next to the MK one looking similarly "pleased". Now I`m not adverse to atmosphere etc at grounds, in fact I believe some of European Ultra types have designed and patented "safe" flares that can be used to great effect. However these pricks seem to be driven by a different agenda purely aimed at pissing off one of the best owners we have had for decades because he had to play by the rules that they seem to think don`t apply to them. Putting it very bluntly if such folk try it in my vicinity they can expect a less than tolerant reaction. Final footnote for the "Twitterati" I am not a South Stand coffin dodger. It just doesn't sit well with me, posting pictures of other fans and making assumptions about them.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Sept 15, 2017 21:18:17 GMT
I'm not sure it is? It is becoming a regular issue at our games and we have a lot of fans who feel strongly about the impact it can have to their health or others. If a way of stopping it is posting pictures to see if anyone can identify who is letting the things off then I don't see a problem with it. Would you feel the same if it was you being accused without justification? If I was stood right by it then I'd know who did it and would let the right people know who it was.
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Post by grenobleroad on Sept 15, 2017 21:28:14 GMT
Would you feel the same if it was you being accused without justification? If I was stood right by it then I'd know who did it and would let the right people know who it was. That's easy to say. I've been very close before at away games and wouldn't have a clue.
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Post by Denissmithswig on Sept 15, 2017 21:33:15 GMT
If I was stood right by it then I'd know who did it and would let the right people know who it was. That's easy to say. I've been very close before at away games and wouldn't have a clue. Agree it would be hard if not right next to them.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 16, 2017 10:01:00 GMT
In the Guardian magazine there is a full-page advert. The top 2 thirds are a youngish, affluent couple having a smily chat while walking one of them trendy dog types (a Schnauer?). He is holding a bag which looks like it has dogshit in it, she, mysteriously, is carrying what looks like a plastic coffee cup, it may contain the dog's p*ss - I would believe that.
There is a caption - "We don't just pick up his poo, we discuss it." These are the sort of people that gentrification is for, this is where grassing up fellow supporters gets you in the end. Have it.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 16, 2017 10:30:02 GMT
In the Guardian magazine there is a full-page advert. The top 2 thirds are a youngish, affluent couple having a smily chat while walking one of them trendy dog types (a Schnauer?). He is holding a bag which looks like it has dogshit in it, she, mysteriously, is carrying what looks like a plastic coffee cup, it may contain the dog's p*ss - I would believe that. There is a caption - "We don't just pick up his poo, we discuss it." These are the sort of people that gentrification is for, this is where grassing up fellow supporters gets you in the end. Have it. What about the type of people who go to the trouble of picking up their dog shit in a bag, but then decide to hang it in a tree rather than bin it
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Post by rickyotto on Sept 16, 2017 11:57:41 GMT
Would you feel the same if it was you being accused without justification? Would u feel the same if say ur old man collapsed because of breathing difficulties. Works both ways Dangerous legal territory is it not? Accusing people on the internet of crimes based on a few pictures. Good luck 😘
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 16, 2017 12:01:23 GMT
Was it not Louis Aragon who wrote of the Blvd Hausmann that he longed to see every tree bedecked with shite?
I like them, reminds me of Christmas when Our Lord came down to save us from the fires of hell. Bet he was against smoke bombs.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 16, 2017 12:41:14 GMT
Would u feel the same if say ur old man collapsed because of breathing difficulties. Works both ways Dangerous legal territory is it not? Accusing people on the internet of crimes based on a few pictures. Good luck 😘 Good luck with what? I haven't accused anyone of anything. I asked to see the picture as I'm in it. (No it wasn't me)
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Post by rickyotto on Sept 16, 2017 12:43:47 GMT
Dangerous legal territory is it not? Accusing people on the internet of crimes based on a few pictures. Good luck 😘 Good luck with what? I haven't accused anyone of anything. I asked to see the picture as I'm in it. (No it wasn't me) Bit defensive old boy. But I did read it as implicit support for the concept hence the overall sunnier that this is a dangerous route to go down unless people want to end up in a mixter style pickle
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 16, 2017 12:51:21 GMT
Good luck with what? I haven't accused anyone of anything. I asked to see the picture as I'm in it. (No it wasn't me) Bit defensive old boy. But I did read it as implicit support for the concept hence the overall sunnier that this is a dangerous route to go down unless people want to end up in a mixter style pickle I fully support anyone trying to get them stopped. Like I said I don't agree with them while they are illegal and a possible threat of fine or points deduction and I think they have to stop. It's a different matter if they are allowed and are used in an area where people have a choice to be near them. Anyone who thinks we won't get fined or points deducted needs to take a look at the bell ends that dish this sort of punishment out, the same people the deducted us points in the conference for a late fax, the same people that insist it's in all our best interests to have bteams play amongst us, without listening to what the fans want. The efl will make an example of someone at some point. As for accusing anyone like I said I haven't, I doubt I would grass someone up unless I felt very good need, like it injured someone or a family member. But I'm sure others will, or take it into their own hands. As for the mixter style pickle, by the sounds of it I'm probably on the app now just for being in the same bloody stand
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Post by rickyotto on Sept 16, 2017 12:59:35 GMT
Bit defensive old boy. But I did read it as implicit support for the concept hence the overall sunnier that this is a dangerous route to go down unless people want to end up in a mixter style pickle I fully support anyone trying to get them stopped. Like I said I don't agree with them while they are illegal and a possible threat of fine or points deduction and I think they have to stop. It's a different matter if they are allowed and are used in an area where people have a choice to be near them. Anyone who thinks we won't get fined or points deducted needs to take a look at the bell ends that dish this sort of punishment out, the same people the deducted us points in the conference for a late fax, the same people that insist it's in all our best interests to have bteams play amongst us, without listening to what the fans want. The efl will make an example of someone at some point. As for accusing anyone like I said I haven't, I doubt I would grass someone up unless I felt very good need, like it injured someone or a family member. But I'm sure others will, or take it into their own hands. As for the mixter style pickle, by the sounds of it I'm probably on the app now just for being in the same bloody stand I'm supportive of stamping this out (regrettably as it's a shame but agreed it needs nipping in the bid for reasons discussed before) but not to the extent of breaking laws on the way to do it. That's a mixter game. Your card is marked 😜
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Post by plonker on Sept 16, 2017 13:00:17 GMT
Good luck with what? I haven't accused anyone of anything. I asked to see the picture as I'm in it. (No it wasn't me) Bit defensive old boy. But I did read it as implicit support for the concept hence the overall sunnier that this is a dangerous route to go down unless people want to end up in a mixter style pickle Slightly different in the sense that the photo was taken and shared because something did happen, they weren't just snapping away in case something might happen at some point in the future. Fine lines. Is that not one of the ways persons of interest are identified after a crime has been committed? Not accusing anyone, just meant in general.
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Post by plonker on Sept 16, 2017 13:02:29 GMT
Bit defensive old boy. But I did read it as implicit support for the concept hence the overall sunnier that this is a dangerous route to go down unless people want to end up in a mixter style pickle I fully support anyone trying to get them stopped. Like I said I don't agree with them while they are illegal and a possible threat of fine or points deduction and I think they have to stop. It's a different matter if they are allowed and are used in an area where people have a choice to be near them. Anyone who thinks we won't get fined or points deducted needs to take a look at the bell ends that dish this sort of punishment out, the same people the deducted us points in the conference for a late fax, the same people that insist it's in all our best interests to have bteams play amongst us, without listening to what the fans want. The efl will make an example of someone at some point. As for accusing anyone like I said I haven't, I doubt I would grass someone up unless I felt very good need, like it injured someone or a family member. But I'm sure others will, or take it into their own hands. As for the mixter style pickle, by the sounds of it I'm probably on the app now just for being in the same bloody stand Yeah, me too. Shaved head and a resting bitch face that makes Stuart Pearce look like a Girl Scout? I'd be surprised if I wasn't.
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Post by bicesterox on Sept 17, 2017 7:31:36 GMT
Bloody smoke bomb at yesterday's FA cup game Banbury v Thatcham. Set off right behind me but got to say it didn't smell, or taste anything like as bad as the Bradford game, and that was 50 yards away but still got in my throat. Worst thing about Banbury was it was that disgusting colour..red 😀
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 30, 2017 16:16:56 GMT
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Post by CheltenhamYellow on Sept 30, 2017 16:18:45 GMT
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Post by manorlounger on Sept 30, 2017 16:24:48 GMT
Well, there's one "fan" who won't be seeing any more live footy this season. (Probably longer)
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Post by yellowandbluearmy on Sept 30, 2017 16:55:45 GMT
Hopefully one of the Ultras
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 30, 2017 17:01:08 GMT
Hopefully one of the Ultras Harsh when there is no evidence they are anything to do with the ultras. What did the last chap get in the end ? 3 year ban
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Post by plonker on Sept 30, 2017 17:06:29 GMT
Hopefully one of the Ultras Why? If it is then it is, and they should be dealt with accordingly, but I don't understand why someone would hope it's a member of the group. Strange.
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Post by yellowandbluearmy on Sept 30, 2017 17:12:33 GMT
Hopefully one of the Ultras Harsh when there is no evidence they are anything to do with the ultras. What did the last chap get in the end ? 3 year ban Previous smoke bombs have definitely been involved with the Ultras, this one may not tbf
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