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Post by yellowsarmy on Sept 2, 2017 23:45:06 GMT
A whole thread of people complaining about fans standing up and singing, what has football come to Complaining about selfish individuals spoiling other's enjoyment! A group who think it's acceptable to be abusive to other fellow supporters and spoil their enjoyment. Man goes to football and is upset about away fans singing and standing behind the goal. This sums up everything wrong about modern english football.
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Post by littlemore on Sept 2, 2017 23:47:56 GMT
Some of the reaction to the smoke bomb is over the top. But TVP used over excessive force to throw out one person which can only be for two reasons to show force or to try and entice further trouble. Considering we supposedly have a member of TVP on here trying to improve relations I have to question if they listen at all. By all means if you feel the need to eject the person do it in a reasonable manner but to use riot police and large numbers is not the correct approach.
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Post by eraser on Sept 3, 2017 0:05:46 GMT
The Ultras are appreciated by me and add to the atmosphere, so much of the grumping on here is why i dislike modern football. There is no reason for people to not see the game there were thousands of spare unrestricted seats today. Some people need to get back to their south sand upper and eat their prawn sandwiches where they wont see people stand up or say naughty words. Give me a raucous london road over the SSU any day of the week. The footballing authorities need to introduce safe standing behind the goals asap let them generate atmosphere and shift the stuffy ones elsewhere. I have been to see Lazio in the curva Nord no issues with flares or being stood up all match give me some european passion over the sale mundane affair we seem to be going towards here. It's the english laws that need to change not the english football. Another selfish fool that thinks tribalism rules over every decent supporter! Go and support some Eastern European team and let supporters of the game enjoy it! I loved the London Road but we could stand then! Bring back safe standing but until then stop being complete arseholes to fellow fans!
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Post by yellowsarmy on Sept 3, 2017 0:06:33 GMT
Regarding the actual match we are still to inconsistent, Martin was actually ok today ribs got forward but in the first half (because i still remember the cheltenham game) i counted his successful pass ratio (it wasnt very good). Da Silva and Williamson were good too (the later man of the match. The beak was good too missed an easy header he went with his feet instead and that finishing at the end made me think he is just a more robust hemmings. Lego and Rothwell played poorly, I really don't think Rothwell is starting 11 material (Ruffels is much better). Nice finish from hall who seemed up for the game. Van Kessel seemed to either have an injury of be so slow. The clearance near the post at the end showed one player desperate to get the ball and put himself on the line busting a gut to get there and that was the MK defender not van kessel. His offside at the end was laughable about how long he had to get himself back onside. That said if I had to watch Henrys performance for all that time and the manager thinks he is a better player and is playing in preference to me i wouldn't be over enthusiastic about playing (that was a dire one paced performance from henry especially second half). Overall I would like to see incisive passes into the box not this silly tappy tappy stuff we play in the corners at times, MK's play was more direct and when we actually played forward balls in the last 10 mins we looked threatening.
So in summary Ruffels next game please, tell james henry he needs to speed up or play Gino there, pray williamson doesnt get injured and finally play incisive forward football we are not arsenal and to be fair that sort of football hasn't worked well for them recently either. 6/10
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Post by eraser on Sept 3, 2017 0:09:08 GMT
Some of the reaction to the smoke bomb is over the top. But TVP used over excessive force to throw out one person which can only be for two reasons to show force or to try and entice further trouble. Considering we supposedly have a member of TVP on here trying to improve relations I have to question if they listen at all. By all means if you feel the need to eject the person do it in a reasonable manner but to use riot police and large numbers is not the correct approach. Have you not considered that Pyros are frigging dangerous and illegal! Another fool who thinks football fans should be allowed to do what they like to every decent supporters detriment!
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Post by eraser on Sept 3, 2017 0:17:26 GMT
Complaining about selfish individuals spoiling other's enjoyment! A group who think it's acceptable to be abusive to other fellow supporters and spoil their enjoyment. Man goes to football and is upset about away fans singing and standing behind the goal. This sums up everything wrong about modern english football. Man (use the term loosely) goes to football and stands in front of disabled person and children who then can't see the match. Sums up what's wrong about modern english football! You Cock
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Post by bacon on Sept 3, 2017 0:35:41 GMT
That's a joke right ??
I cant think of two better players to be honest.
Both had to defend well at times today and both did.
Our two best chances late on came from great crosses from Ribeiro at least one of which should have been put away.
Go and get your self a cup of Tea and think positive thoughts and chill.
Top effort by the travelling fans too.. I know its the next county but even so. Well I can think of two better players baldock and Johno. That's not a dig at ribs and silva , I think they are an improvement on last season, but they are full backs that are brilliant at defending who will get forward at times. They are not wing backs, who will do the work of wingers. That's not being negative, that's not having a go at them, it's playing to their strengths. Apart from Nelson I also don't think the back 3 would have enough pace. So u go and make the tea 😉 u also lose rob hall from the line up, and possibly Payne, as the 3 in the middle need to be strong and dictate the game. And the two up top need to be strikers, all very well coming out and saying we need to change the formation to this or that, but it doesn't work, which is why two managers now haven't played it at oufc. Actually that's a lie, mapp tried it once and we got totally dicked But we are not playing a wing back system...
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Post by rickyotto on Sept 3, 2017 4:01:14 GMT
I can't help but feel a lot of sympathy for the ultras when I read the rudeness and angry ramblings of Eraser.
He strikes me as having the sense of entitlement he's claiming to rally against.
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Post by flean on Sept 3, 2017 5:10:13 GMT
I can't help but feel a lot of sympathy for the ultras when I read the rudeness and angry ramblings of Eraser. He strikes me as having the sense of entitlement he's claiming to rally against. I've been reading his comments out loud in a Victor Meldrew voice but then adding some MR T for every sentence he "pities the fool". Helps get through his bad day.
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Post by brassmonkey on Sept 3, 2017 5:41:33 GMT
Every club has it's miserable gits. Don't worry ultras keep up the good work.
Sent from my SM-G930F using proboards
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Post by blox21 on Sept 3, 2017 6:05:52 GMT
I think Eraser needs erasing ! He sounds like he's a member of the health and safety brigade !
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Post by Paul Cannell on Sept 3, 2017 7:31:12 GMT
Red-faced man keeps up rude, angry and bitter tirade against other people being inconsiderate far longer than you would have thought possible.
I enjoyed it.
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Post by oslerian on Sept 3, 2017 7:33:53 GMT
Some pretty dim-witted stewarding contributed to the Ultra issues, which I witnessed from close quarters. We were told very firmly to sit in our ticketed seats, so instead of the usual away match process of finding somewhere congenial, people were lumped together at random. When this caused friction, the stewards adopted a very officious approach. Instead of offering to find the unhappy fans better seats (and there were several thousand available), the stewards tried to move the Ultras, demanding to see the their tickets and trying to drag them out when these were not forthcoming. A little diplomacy and common sense would have gone a long way. Instead, there was an unseemly tug of war.
It was in the midst of this that the smoke bomb was dropped. We all know that these are not allowed but I was about 3 foot from it and it seemed pretty harmless and unthreatening to me.
When we scored, the Ultras celebrated vigorously, accidentally knocking a nearby elderly lady with limited mobility on the head. The lady was understandably frightened and I am sure it will have ruined her afternoon. It happened in the heat of the moment but an apology would have been appropriate. Some of the Ultras then realised they were causing distress and started an unofficial seat-swapping exercise which enabled the frailer supporters to move away, at which point the stewards belatedly joined in.
I am not an 80s hooligan but I do enjoy the contribution that the Ultras make to the atmosphere at matches, and I really think the stewards could have avoided much of this trouble.
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Post by oufcbenjyp on Sept 3, 2017 7:41:53 GMT
I can't help but feel a lot of sympathy for the ultras when I read the rudeness and angry ramblings of Eraser. He strikes me as having the sense of entitlement he's claiming to rally against. I think it's fair to say that the 'rudeness of Eraser' was far outweighed by the behaviour of a minority of our fans yesterday. Being in a group with your mates does not give you licence to behave like a moron. I think we'll all be complaining if the club end up being sanctioned as a result of flares set off by our fans.
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Post by ontheup01 on Sept 3, 2017 8:00:18 GMT
Regarding the actual match we are still to inconsistent, Martin was actually ok today ribs got forward but in the first half (because i still remember the cheltenham game) i counted his successful pass ratio (it wasnt very good). Da Silva and Williamson were good too (the later man of the match. The beak was good too missed an easy header he went with his feet instead and that finishing at the end made me think he is just a more robust hemmings. Lego and Rothwell played poorly, I really don't think Rothwell is starting 11 material (Ruffels is much better). Nice finish from hall who seemed up for the game. Van Kessel seemed to either have an injury of be so slow. The clearance near the post at the end showed one player desperate to get the ball and put himself on the line busting a gut to get there and that was the MK defender not van kessel. His offside at the end was laughable about how long he had to get himself back onside. That said if I had to watch Henrys performance for all that time and the manager thinks he is a better player and is playing in preference to me i wouldn't be over enthusiastic about playing (that was a dire one paced performance from henry especially second half). Overall I would like to see incisive passes into the box not this silly tappy tappy stuff we play in the corners at times, MK's play was more direct and when we actually played forward balls in the last 10 mins we looked threatening. So in summary Ruffels next game please, tell james henry he needs to speed up or play Gino there, pray williamson doesnt get injured and finally play incisive forward football we are not arsenal and to be fair that sort of football hasn't worked well for them recently either. 6/10 A very "yeh but no but" view. Martin and Ribs had good games, so did Williamson. Obika worked their defence all match. If he gets into his stride we have a good powerful striker on our hands. Generally though finishing was poor and we could have slotted away 3/4 on another day. Thought Hall took his goal very well and is now finding some form near the opposition box. Didnt work out again for Payne, he is so important to our style of play, missed a gilt edged chance to win game, from great pull back from Ribs. Gino missed what looked like a simple opportunity at the end. Think he is more effective off the bench where it his hard to predict play, is more effective. Biggest current issue is that our lMidfield to a man faded out of the game again, just like the Shrewsbury game. We really are missing an experienced player to control the key parts of a match. Wouldn't be surprised to see new signings both starting in midfield for next league match. In the end probably a couple of points lost. But still an away point and the development of our evolving and improving squad continues. looking for some more rotation during cup games to keep squad fresh and match fit. UP THE YELLOWS
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 3, 2017 8:04:53 GMT
Well I can think of two better players baldock and Johno. That's not a dig at ribs and silva , I think they are an improvement on last season, but they are full backs that are brilliant at defending who will get forward at times. They are not wing backs, who will do the work of wingers. That's not being negative, that's not having a go at them, it's playing to their strengths. Apart from Nelson I also don't think the back 3 would have enough pace. So u go and make the tea 😉 u also lose rob hall from the line up, and possibly Payne, as the 3 in the middle need to be strong and dictate the game. And the two up top need to be strikers, all very well coming out and saying we need to change the formation to this or that, but it doesn't work, which is why two managers now haven't played it at oufc. Actually that's a lie, mapp tried it once and we got totally dicked But we are not playing a wing back system... Read previous posts before just picking on the answer
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Post by Junior on Sept 3, 2017 8:29:15 GMT
I think oxford fans have no problem with the ultras and appreciate what they do but standing at the front of a stand blocking other fans is common sense. As is smoke bombs. Does it really take a big fine for the club or a points deduction until the message gets through? Some of the lads don't help themselves on social media either. I've seen one of the lads really struggle tonight to understand why it is a no go for smoke bombs to be let of in stadiums in this country. I get the ultras want to add colour and atmosphere to games like they do in other European leagues but you have to understand some of the laws in this country are different to those in Europe. Dear ULTRAS - assuming you can read this - are you seeing the theme coming through on the forum? Real football fans are fed up with you? Please bring an atmosphere (excluding smoke bombs) but not to the detriment of supporters who want to watch a game of football. We are not interested in war!! Can you define a real football fan please. Thanks in advance..
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Post by gilgy on Sept 3, 2017 8:35:47 GMT
Talking of young fans who might call themselves ultras, I have a vivid memory of one of you (couldn't have been much older than 17)from the jpt game against the scum in 2015. An elderly gentleman who has been a season ticket holder for over 40 years asked if you could sit down as he could not see the pitch. You tried to pull him to his feet, swore at him repeatedly and told him to get on his f*cking feet. The man had to ask a steward if he could move, and to do so had to force his way down to the front, and was moved elsewhere. Every time I see you I'm enraged by the memory. Fans like that ruin football, jog on
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Post by pottersrightboot on Sept 3, 2017 8:49:06 GMT
Heard some odious barracking of Obika when he screwed up that chance. We have our share of morons.
There was also a bit of random standing up by fans in our area which was blocking pitch views. But it all got resolved in a fairly gentlemanly way., The stewards seemed to be enforcing seating aisle policy rigorously. So I guess there were some elderly supporters 'sat' in with the ultras. This lack of flexibility on seating arrangements doesn't help.
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Post by bigronaldo on Sept 3, 2017 8:57:36 GMT
I despair at some of our fans attitudes. The ultras have contributed massively to the matchday experience both home and away. I read that many fans are fed up with their freestanding, singing, swearing, smoke bomb flag waving support. What the f*ck? If you want to be sat comfortably in your seat, with not a sound to disturb your concentration of the game. If you don't want to experience passionate support, or flag waving that takes away your view in any way. If swearing or singing is not your thing. Then don't go travelling to away games to watch Oxford. Nooo....Get yourself a season ticket for MKDons. Because they are just the perfect club for you... Goodness knows, you will thorougly enjoy the silence and they really f*cking need you.
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Post by grenobleroad on Sept 3, 2017 9:02:58 GMT
2 points squandered yesterday. I thought we were comfortable until the equalizer and then let them get on top for 15-20 minutes and it was end to end for the last 10.
I think we are stronger then last season and will have a very good season. It's coming together bit by bit. We are picking up draws where I think we would of lost the game last season, the last two league games in particular.
I'm not concerned about needing another striker, think we have plenty of goal threats, lots actually.
Two big home games now. 4 points will be great, 6 excellent.
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Post by manorlounger on Sept 3, 2017 9:04:05 GMT
The Ultras are appreciated by me and add to the atmosphere, so much of the grumping on here is why i dislike modern football. There is no reason for people to not see the game there were thousands of spare unrestricted seats today. Some people need to get back to their south sand upper and eat their prawn sandwiches where they wont see people stand up or say naughty words. Give me a raucous london road over the SSU any day of the week. The footballing authorities need to introduce safe standing behind the goals asap let them generate atmosphere and shift the stuffy ones elsewhere. I have been to see Lazio in the curva Nord no issues with flares or being stood up all match give me some european passion over the sale mundane affair we seem to be going towards here. It's the english laws that need to change not the english football. Let me address some of your issues. 1. I do appreciate the ultras and their efforts. I have contributed financially to their cause in the past. - have you? The issue yesterday was their insistence on pushing other supporters aside to form their own area regardless of the feelings of those others. The lady who was knocked on the head and scared being a good example. 2.The seats at MK Dons were not unrestricted, the stewards instructed us to sit in our allocated seats. This system was circumnavigated by some and it became clear that the stewards had no way of enforcing this unnecessary restriction. However some folk feel obliged to do as told, some were probably quite happy with the view from their allocated seats and, once seated, why should folk be forced to move by a minority? 3.Yes, I am a season ticket holder in the SSU and enjoy the odd prawn sandwich - at matches I prefer a balti pie but hey, why quibble? In my youth, some 40+ years ago I stood in the London Road having graduated from the Beech Road even younger. I now take my wife to the football which involves a 170 mile round trip and two season tickets. We also travel to a fair few away games. We are of an age where to stand for the entire game would be uncomfortable and therefor prefer the option to sit. As to the language in the SSU, you would be surprised. Yes, we try and keep it down for the sake of the young and perhaps more genteel but don't think it doesn't happen, it does! 4. Yes, safe standing would be a solution and should be introduced asap. Give the Ultras their own section, it would be good to see if they can fill it. 5. Flares, smoke bombs etc. are illegal in this country and for very good reasons. The club has been warned on several occasions that heavy fines would be imposed if the practice continued. So, these fantastic fans want the club fined? Until the law changes (which it won't) then that is the law and they should abide by it or take their "fun" elsewhere. In conclusion, we have laws in this country to prevent discrimination and they apply to all walks of life and should be observed. That includes football supporters.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 3, 2017 9:06:50 GMT
I despair at some of our fans attitudes. The ultras have contributed massively to the matchday experience both home and away. I read that many fans are fed up with their freestanding, singing, swearing, smoke bomb flag waving support. What the f*ck? If you want to be sat comfortably in your seat, with not a sound to disturb your concentration of the game. If you don't want to experience passionate support, or flag waving that takes away your view in any way. If swearing or singing is not your thing. Then don't go travelling to away games to watch Oxford. Nooo....Get yourself a season ticket for MKDons. Because they are just the perfect club for you... Goodness knows, you will thorougly enjoy the silence and they really f*cking need you. To be fair that's as stupid a post as some I've seen from the other side. People want different things from a football match, some prefer to sit and watch, some prefer to stand and sing. Both sets have supporters that pay thousands of pounds and travel thousands of miles supporting the same team. Neither make u a superior fan to the other. And a bit of common sense and thought from both side s is all that's needed. Manorlounger was made to sit in his seat by the stewards, junior says his ticket was thrown away and told to sit where they like, so picking the back of the stand is probably a better option than the front, as u won't force all those behind to stand as well. Also the end blocks are normally the emptiest, and last to fill so would probably make sense that fans wanting to stand could gather there and not have people telling them to sit down or get out their seat, rather than forcing into the middle where people have already taken their seats. Like I said bit of common sense from both sides, acceptance from the ultras that not everyone wants to stand and sing and is an idiot for not wanting to, and from others that everyone was young once and doing the same things on the London Rd, and that without them supporting oufc would be a lot less colourful and quiet.
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Post by carefreeoufc on Sept 3, 2017 9:09:01 GMT
Oh look at me other teams have let me in their stand at a football match so I must be respected. The groups you refer to in your post are proper and respected. They are not a group of skinny jean wearing sixteen year olds who are p*ssed after a couple of pints and think they are lads.
You're tourists not ultras.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Sept 3, 2017 9:13:12 GMT
The only people who should be sat down at an away game are the few disabled and the elderly, at the front.
I don't get why people bother going to away games if they are just going to sit and politely clap each goal. Home crowds are already sterilised beyond recognition, away crowds are the last remaining relic of real football. Or at least they should be.
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Post by carefreeoufc on Sept 3, 2017 9:14:18 GMT
Some of the reaction to the smoke bomb is over the top. But TVP used over excessive force to throw out one person which can only be for two reasons to show force or to try and entice further trouble. Considering we supposedly have a member of TVP on here trying to improve relations I have to question if they listen at all. By all means if you feel the need to eject the person do it in a reasonable manner but to use riot police and large numbers is not the correct approach. Have you not considered that Pyros are frigging dangerous and illegal! Another fool who thinks football fans should be allowed to do what they like to every decent supporters detriment! Go to IPlayer and watch some of the Glastonbury highlights. Pyro is leg off and no one is arrested. Go to a political rally at Westminster or Google it and there is Pyro let off. No one is hurt or arrested. It's a tool like the mobile phone app to ban or marginalise supporters. Pyro in a football ground isn't dangerous, those that pretend to keep order are
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Post by Denissmithswig on Sept 3, 2017 9:21:14 GMT
I think a few posters are missing a few points that are being debating on this thread.
It is clear fans appreciate what the ultras do in adding colour and atmosphere to OUFC games. However there are 2 main issues yesterday, 1 being the group choosing to stand at the front of the stand rather than at the back and the 2nd one being the smoke bomb.
1. It is surely common sense that if you are in a large group and want to stand you go towards the back of the stand? Yes stewards may not of helped by trying to enforce some to sit in their seats and others not. I personally think all away ends should be unreserved seating so groups of fans can sit together.
2. It is just plain stupid to let off a smoke bomb in this country and especially at an OUFC game when the club have had so many warnings. Ultra's are then surprised by how they get treated at games when they act like this.
It seems there was a lot of common sense lacking yesterday from both the ultras and the MK stewards. Like I have said before, fans appreciate what the ultras try to do but at the same time they need to take a bit more responsibility of their own actions and some of the abuse towards other OUFC fans last night who didn't share their opinion was out of order and also a bit childish.
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Post by werthersoriginal on Sept 3, 2017 9:21:40 GMT
Have you not considered that Pyros are frigging dangerous and illegal! Another fool who thinks football fans should be allowed to do what they like to every decent supporters detriment! Go to IPlayer and watch some of the Glastonbury highlights. Pyro is leg off and no one is arrested. Go to a political rally at Westminster or Google it and there is Pyro let off. No one is hurt or arrested. It's a tool like the mobile phone app to ban or marginalise supporters. Pyro in a football ground isn't dangerous, those that pretend to keep order are Your opinion isn't relevant sonny, they are illegal and that's the end of it. i go to very few away games but when I have been the ultras were a bunch of kids, they were very excited but seemed harmless in general.
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Post by oufcyellows on Sept 3, 2017 9:21:56 GMT
The only people who should be sat down at an away game are the few disabled and the elderly, at the front. I don't get why people bother going to away games if they are just going to sit and politely clap each goal. Home crowds are already sterilised beyond recognition, away crowds are the last remaining relic of real football. Or at least they should be. Look at the % at home games 7000 home fans, 6800 prefer to sit to watch the game. Why do u think that would or should change at away matches. Again that's what u enjoy about football , not what everyone does
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Post by manorlounger on Sept 3, 2017 9:23:13 GMT
The only people who should be sat down at an away game are the few disabled and the elderly, at the front. I don't get why people bother going to away games if they are just going to sit and politely clap each goal. Home crowds are already sterilised beyond recognition, away crowds are the last remaining relic of real football. Or at least they should be. Why not have them put down? Useless lot. Just taking up space where others could stand and behave normally.
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