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Post by joey on Aug 26, 2017 22:22:20 GMT
Do you think there'll ever be a game where you don't complain about the ref after? As far as I could see he was well in credit with us for not giving them a pen and sending Ricardinho off after 20 minutes. Constantly blaming officials and making excuses take a responsibility away from the team and their performance. Regarding the game, Christ we played so deep. It was like an away performance trying to nick something on the counter. We left Gino completely isolated up top, there was space behind their defence but we were hitting long balls from so far away that by the time ita reached him hes got a defender up his arse and won't win the header. If you're going to play him up there then the man off him has to be much closer, trying to play balls through from 10/20 yards. We seemed stuck between attack and defence again today, in the first half we didn't commit anyone forward, second half when the subs came on sometimes we had plenty of men up there and looked a bit dangerous but we got caught on the break a few times. Very early days and I'm sure when Pep's had more time with the team we'll get the balance a bit better. If you don't like me commenting on Refs, so be it, but if I see an inconsistent performance, I say it. I don't care what is given, as long as it's consistent for both sides. The nature of the game dictates that both sides will get free kicks because both teams will break the rules, hence why I found it strange we struggled in that regard. We found it hard with Hall and Ricardinho on one side. Hall's positioning was all over the place and his work rate was off which meant they had overloads available and lots of space to work in. When Pep made the change with Henry and Hall, we looked more solid and started to play more than we had. Their channels balls were suddenly not on and the CBs looked more comfortable. Obika made such a difference when he came on - pace, power and work rate - must not be fully fit to be on the bench. Rothwell was the one that got us going though. He was everything Hall wasn't today. But we did miss Marv's pace and skill out wide today. I'm not sure what Eastwood was doing rushing out like that. Let the defenders deal with that as Morris was not going to score from there. I get that, but it seems every week you are complaining about the ref, implying we only get the rough end of the stick with them. Today the ref has done us a favour keeping it 11v11 for over an hour and not giving them a pen (it also looked on the Football League Show or whatever it's called that Morris' shot crossed the line but it happened quick, potentially another huge let off). For the first line of your post to be saying we struggled to get free kicks off him is very rich considering he possibly gave us 2 goals! Agree about Obika and Rothwell making a difference, although I thought Rothwell was fairly quiet but this was partly down to Shrewsbury controlling the midfield. I think we started off too defensively Today, especially for a home team. Ledson and Ruffels both started playing just in front of the defence before Ruffels bizarrely ended up playing as the furthest forward midfielder. You lose a bit of that bite with Rothwell in there but if Johnson is going then he is pretty much temhe only player capable of taking on a man and getting us further up the pitch.
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Post by ontheup01 on Aug 26, 2017 23:14:29 GMT
Pretty disjointed performance all in all. Hardly surprising really, early season and 12 new signings... For me Hall was a big disappointment, defensively nowhere at times and lacking confidence in attack, right decision to be subbed. A lot of huff and puff from Payne, we are as reliant on him currently as we were with Maguire this time last year. Bit concerning if he does go back in Jan. Was it me or did Ledson look a bit short of fitness towards the end? I know he's in the engine room and 90 minutes is a big ask but he looked leggy towards the end. I suppose I just wasn't expecting that from a 20 year old at the start of the season. Definite foul by the Brazilian master at left back, he is a lucky boy. I also love the way he plays the game. All in all, take the point, Shrewsbury were far better than I was expecting, we weren't quite at it today. Phone interview after the game showed Pep as flustered as we have heard him to date. Wouldn't be drawn on signings or Johnson although reading between the lines there has been a falling out no question. Great point in the end. Today we played without a midfield and striker. At least until big John came on. dispite his goal, Gino generally had a very poor game. The tippy tippy passing in midfield didn't work today. They set up to match us across the middle, man for man and won that battle easily. Just showed how we are missing an experienced centre mid to control the match. For all our energy we lack nounce. Some of our touches look great but sometimes flatter to deceive. Couldn't understand why we didn't choose to tighten up to defend lead in last term minutes. Instead we seemed to prefer to just push forward with what looked like a 4321. Nuts. Really need an experienced centre mid with a range of passing to compliment either Ruffles or Ledson. Fans favourite Ricardinho was wise enough to stay on the ground injured for long enough for others to forget he was on the wrong side of his man for the goal, Also need Johnson or equivalent to allow Hall to do his best work from the bench in the last 25. Nearly there, just missing a few experienced players to help the talented squad see games out.
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Post by ontheup01 on Aug 26, 2017 23:17:32 GMT
Well we played a seasons worth of get out of gaol cards this afternoon. Defensively were reasonably strong but our inability to hold the ball in midfield and upfront put the back 4 under almost constant pressure especially second half when ribs and Ric were stiffled and couldn't get into any sort of attacking game. We need to sort the middle of the park out as we give away possession far too easily. Only a lone striker at home is utter folly I'm and just gives the opposition defenders a massive phsycolocical boost. Obika needs two start along side van the man. I thought shrews looked a very neat footballing side and will probably play worse than that and win. I like to think of it as point earned rather than two lost. I didn't think Williamson or Henry were much good today and Ric was very lucky the ref didn't go to specsavers. We need more consistency in the players performances but it Will come. Enjoy the BH everyone. 👍
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Post by arthurturner on Aug 27, 2017 7:21:38 GMT
Shrewsbury took us apart today. We were fortunate to get a point. We were completely dis/unorganised and lacked any movement off the ball. Whatever system we were trying to play didn't work. Huge gaps in midfield. Josh Ruffles didn't get into the game and didn't seem to know what role he was supposed to be playing. Gino can't (or didn't want to) play the lone striker role. Only Ricardinho of the back four was on his game. It didn't seem to me that we'd done our homework on how to set up against a very good Shrews side. Pep needs to get on top of things asap. We got lucky today and should have been thrashed. If Pep thinks he's got all the players he needs to be successful this season then he's living in cloud cuckoo land.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Aug 27, 2017 7:21:50 GMT
Ricardinho was brilliant. We defend corners well. Obika gets stuck in.
I'm beginning to struggle for positives after that. Shrewsbury do look massively improved from last season though - no stars, but big, fit and compact.
Our goal was like one of this efforts you score during morning break at primary school; a scruffy mess - still they all count.
I feel sorry for OUFC - the Johnson situation is a real pain - we missed his pace and flair so much yesterday.
The baleful impact of agents does my head in- it would appear that the lad has effectively gone on strike. Poor, poor, poor.
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Post by uptheus on Aug 27, 2017 7:48:22 GMT
From the way Pep spoke after the game, I get the feeling that it's the club who are choosing not to pick Johnson rather than Johnson not wanting to play. Having said that, it could be that a deal is imminent and we/he wouldn't want to risk him getting injured etc.
Be interesting if he's not sold by the end of the transfer window. If that's the case, then I could see Johnson coming back in and playing really well, but my gut feeling is he'll go between now and Thursday.
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Post by diagocostapacket on Aug 27, 2017 7:48:37 GMT
Ricardinho was brilliant. We defend corners well. Obika gets stuck in. I'm beginning to struggle for positives after that. Shrewsbury do look massively improved from last season though - no stars, but big, fit and compact. Our goal was like one of this efforts you score during morning break at primary school; a scruffy mess - still they all count. I feel sorry for OUFC - the Johnson situation is a real pain - we missed his pace and flair so much yesterday. The baleful impact of agents does my head in- it would appear that the lad has effectively gone on strike. Poor, poor, poor. We must resolve the Johnson situation and keep him at the club..its a crazy position to be in. There is obviously some personality clash there between him and Pep...We did indeed miss his creativity yesterday.
Obika must start the next game and if I were the manager he would be the first name on the team sheet ...he scares the life out of defenders.
I liken the team to an artists palette, we have the canvas, all the colours and the brushes but the artist is going through his experimental phase at the moment.
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Post by uptheus on Aug 27, 2017 7:55:25 GMT
Shrewsbury took us apart today. We were fortunate to get a point. We were completely dis/unorganised and lacked any movement off the ball. Whatever system we were trying to play didn't work. Huge gaps in midfield. Josh Ruffles didn't get into the game and didn't seem to know what role he was supposed to be playing. Gino can't (or didn't want to) play the lone striker role. Only Ricardinho of the back four was on his game. It didn't seem to me that we'd done our homework on how to set up against a very good Shrews side. Pep needs to get on top of things asap. We got lucky today and should have been thrashed. If Pep thinks he's got all the players he needs to be successful this season then he's living in cloud cuckoo land. Totally agree. And oddly enough, both Williamson and Nelson had poor games with Williamson looking very edgy on the ball which I've not seen today. Maybe they were both carrying knocks which impacted on their performances. Thought Rothwell made a difference today when he came on. He injected pace, movement and proactive thinking which I'm afraid we don't get from either Ruffels or Ledson. Also, I'm not a fan of Henry, just adds absolutely nothing to the team.
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Post by bigronaldo on Aug 27, 2017 8:49:24 GMT
Definitely got away with one yesterday as we were largely second best. Slight improvement with the substitutions but I think we would have lost that game last year as they had some gilt edged chances to put the game out of reach. For me, Payne and Ricardinho were the stand outs for us, those two pygmys were class.
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Post by johnf on Aug 27, 2017 9:37:24 GMT
We played a very good team yesterday and yes we were fortunate to get a draw but in my book that makes it a great point. We weren't at our best but we kept going to earn that point and when Obika came on we caused them problems and hopefully the more games we play the better we will get it's still early days. COYY
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Post by oxford84 on Aug 27, 2017 10:35:22 GMT
That was a Cheltenham type game for me and shows that if we play 1 up front at home then we are going to get more performances like that this season.
You can have an ideal way of playing as a manager but until you start to look to reality then you will struggle. When Appleton first came in he had his ideal way of playing and we didn't start winning games until he changed his style to what was actual reality. I don't like are current style at all,weve gone from a team that controls the game pushing the opposition back to one that gets everyone behind the ball and tries to counter attack at home games. Shrewsbury are nothing special at all and I cant see them fininshing in the top ten but we made them look good by playing this shit 1 up front counter attacking style.
As soon as Obika came on and Gino basically played along side him we had Shrewsbury worried.
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Post by ox4eva on Aug 27, 2017 10:37:45 GMT
It was a good point against a strong side, not unhappy with that!
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Post by fishpaste on Aug 27, 2017 11:17:46 GMT
This is so disappointing reading how bad we were yesterday but we have only played 4 games. Sheffield United were bottom with 1 point after 4 games last season and Chesterfield were 4th with 7 points. There's time to improve.
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Post by mcf86 on Aug 27, 2017 11:22:27 GMT
We were woeful, first shot on goal - after an hour had passed. Shrews were in compete control and I was shocked that the manager (Ours) didn't change personnel and/or our formation at half time after somehow getting through a torrid and embarrassing first 45 minutes.
Pep seems a knowledgeable type so hopefully he'll have learnt from his mistakes and make alterations to our formation and team. Obviously far too early to make judgements and our up/down start was pretty predictable given the managerial change and new recruits on the playing side. Talking of which, hopefully, if sulky Sue gets her way and is transferred it will produce significant funds to allow Pep to acquire some new players.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Aug 27, 2017 11:24:00 GMT
This is so disappointing reading how bad we were yesterday but we have only played 4 games. Sheffield United were bottom with 1 point after 4 games last season and Chesterfield were 4th with 7 points. There's time to improve. So what you're saying is that we're currently as good as Chesterfield were last season. WELL WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE A MASSIVE DUMP ALL OVER MY SUNDAY.
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Post by dubaiyellow on Aug 27, 2017 11:44:44 GMT
I thought Ledson's post match reaction was good, he didnt say anything too specific but you could tell, he was really disappointed with the performance. I think he said something along the lines of "i train with this group of players all week and i know what we are capable of, so we are disappointed with the way we played... and also something about the fans deserving a better performance.
On the plus side, despite the performance, we didnt lose the game and they have to take some credit for that.
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Post by fishpaste on Aug 27, 2017 11:45:21 GMT
This is so disappointing reading how bad we were yesterday but we have only played 4 games. Sheffield United were bottom with 1 point after 4 games last season and Chesterfield were 4th with 7 points. There's time to improve. So what you're saying is that we're currently as good as Chesterfield were last season. WELL WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE A MASSIVE DUMP ALL OVER MY SUNDAY. You won't want to know that Swindon and Port Vale were on 7 points too.
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Post by ryaniobirdio on Aug 27, 2017 11:46:05 GMT
So what you're saying is that we're currently as good as Chesterfield were last season. WELL WHY DON'T YOU JUST TAKE A MASSIVE DUMP ALL OVER MY SUNDAY. You won't want to know that Swindon and Port Vale were on 7 points too.
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Post by highlights on Aug 27, 2017 11:47:34 GMT
Not doing a highlights analysis this week, I'm just too busy, so just a quick summary
- VK as a lone striker is daft - that flicked header is a classic example of what a proper number 9 could do with that chance. - That said, VK's runs looked really good, although we didn't pick them out very well - VK's finish is harder than it looks, wrong foot and a small gap to hit - Their goal we're guilty of ball watching. Curtis Nelson particularly, he stands directly in front of Ruffels instead of marking their man. It all happens quickly, but a man all alone in the six yard box is not cool. - It looks like we're playing a high line and getting it wrong on occasion, although it's hard to tell
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Post by newyorkyellow on Aug 27, 2017 11:48:43 GMT
Not doing a highlights analysis this week, I'm just too busy, so just a quick summary - VG as a lone striker is daft - that flicked header is a classic example of what a proper number 9 could do with that chance. - That said, VG's runs looked really good, although we didn't pick them out very well - VG's finish is harder than it looks, wrong foot and a small gap to hit - Their goal we're guilty of ball watching. Curtis Nelson particularly, he stands directly in front of Ruffels instead of marking their man. It all happens quickly, but a man all alone in the six yard box is not cool. - It looks like we're playing a high line and getting it wrong on occasion, although it's hard to tell Who's is VG?
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Post by highlights on Aug 27, 2017 12:17:25 GMT
Not doing a highlights analysis this week, I'm just too busy, so just a quick summary - VG as a lone striker is daft - that flicked header is a classic example of what a proper number 9 could do with that chance. - That said, VG's runs looked really good, although we didn't pick them out very well - VG's finish is harder than it looks, wrong foot and a small gap to hit - Their goal we're guilty of ball watching. Curtis Nelson particularly, he stands directly in front of Ruffels instead of marking their man. It all happens quickly, but a man all alone in the six yard box is not cool. - It looks like we're playing a high line and getting it wrong on occasion, although it's hard to tell Who's is VG? Oops
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Post by Gary Baldi on Aug 27, 2017 12:28:16 GMT
If you don't like me commenting on Refs, so be it, but if I see an inconsistent performance, I say it. I don't care what is given, as long as it's consistent for both sides. The nature of the game dictates that both sides will get free kicks because both teams will break the rules, hence why I found it strange we struggled in that regard. We found it hard with Hall and Ricardinho on one side. Hall's positioning was all over the place and his work rate was off which meant they had overloads available and lots of space to work in. When Pep made the change with Henry and Hall, we looked more solid and started to play more than we had. Their channels balls were suddenly not on and the CBs looked more comfortable. Obika made such a difference when he came on - pace, power and work rate - must not be fully fit to be on the bench. Rothwell was the one that got us going though. He was everything Hall wasn't today. But we did miss Marv's pace and skill out wide today. I'm not sure what Eastwood was doing rushing out like that. Let the defenders deal with that as Morris was not going to score from there. I get that, but it seems every week you are complaining about the ref, implying we only get the rough end of the stick with them. Today the ref has done us a favour keeping it 11v11 for over an hour and not giving them a pen (it also looked on the Football League Show or whatever it's called that Morris' shot crossed the line but it happened quick, potentially another huge let off). For the first line of your post to be saying we struggled to get free kicks off him is very rich considering he possibly gave us 2 goals! Agree about Obika and Rothwell making a difference, although I thought Rothwell was fairly quiet but this was partly down to Shrewsbury controlling the midfield. I think we started off too defensively Today, especially for a home team. Ledson and Ruffels both started playing just in front of the defence before Ruffels bizarrely ended up playing as the furthest forward midfielder. You lose a bit of that bite with Rothwell in there but if Johnson is going then he is pretty much temhe only player capable of taking on a man and getting us further up the pitch. If it bothers you, stick me on ignore and I won't ruin your day with Ref talk. Our central midfield does change with who pushes up. Sometimes its Ledson, sometimes its Ruffels, sometimes its both . Ruffels does have a knack for making good runs into the box and timing them to get chances. Unappreciated part of his game.
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Post by sarge on Aug 28, 2017 13:23:18 GMT
New breaking news from oxbible Free pad thai at away games. ..... or perhaps he was personally delivering the 250 thais that Mr. Mixter ordered for this seasons stewards?
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 28, 2017 13:30:19 GMT
Free pad thai at away games. ..... or perhaps he was personally delivering the 250 thais that Mr. Mixter ordered for this seasons stewards? Boom - post of the week
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Post by Paul Cannell on Aug 28, 2017 15:05:02 GMT
Thai stewards could be fun.
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Post by arthurturner on Aug 28, 2017 15:22:10 GMT
I thought Ledson's post match reaction was good, he didnt say anything too specific but you could tell, he was really disappointed with the performance. I think he said something along the lines of "i train with this group of players all week and i know what we are capable of, so we are disappointed with the way we played... and also something about the fans deserving a better performance. On the plus side, despite the performance, we didnt lose the game and they have to take some credit for that. [/quote Ledson was easily our best midfield player yesterday. Please God we don't lose him in this transfer window. His post match interview was was excellent and articulate and showed him to be a guy who cares about the team. Unlike Mr Johnson it seems, whose behaviour I'm sure had an unsettling influence on the team performance. What we needed yesterday, apart from better tactics from the manager, was an experienced midfield general. Dean Whitehead would give us that if he could be prised away from Huddersfield.
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Post by ontheup01 on Aug 28, 2017 16:56:51 GMT
On the plus side, despite the performance, we didnt lose the game and they have to take some credit for that. [/quote Ledson was easily our best midfield player yesterday. Please God we don't lose him in this transfer window. His post match interview was was excellent and articulate and showed him to be a guy who cares about the team. Unlike Mr Johnson it seems, whose behaviour I'm sure had an unsettling influence on the team performance. What we needed yesterday, apart from better tactics from the manager, was an experienced midfield general. Dean Whitehead would give us that if he could be prised away from Huddersfield. Totally agree 👏👏👏👏
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