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Post by Mark on May 10, 2017 16:03:59 GMT
Trying to tie a few more comments together. If Lundstram and Maguire are concerned about the possibility of Appleton leaving, is that because he is looking for the promise of Championship football / a competitive L1 budget? Or is it that a Sartori (or whoever) takeover would bring in their own management team?
There is talk of a leak, but for both BBC Oxford and Oxford Mail to "understand" suggests someone very close to negotiations has deliberately briefed the press. I'm slightly surprised nothing more has 'leaked' as usually someone close to the club tells a mate who posts on twitter/facebook/here, rather like the initial Sartori thread. So if there was a staff meeting, it can't have had much detail in it for it not to leak.
I notice the BBC report claims Stewart Donald as a minority shareholder but thought that never got taken up in the end.
Anyway, Eales has always claimed the club was not a property play - but getting the club to be a saleable asset for more than he invested perhaps is?
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Post by tinman on May 10, 2017 16:05:46 GMT
Don't think Donald can as he is involved with Eastleigh
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Post by oufcyellows on May 10, 2017 16:06:10 GMT
Don't think Donald can as he is involved with Eastleigh He's allowed to hold up to 10% in another club
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Post by foley on May 10, 2017 16:13:07 GMT
Trying to tie a few more comments together. If Lundstram and Maguire are concerned about the possibility of Appleton leaving, is that because he is looking for the promise of Championship football / a competitive L1 budget? Or is it that a Sartori (or whoever) takeover would bring in their own management team?There is talk of a leak, but for both BBC Oxford and Oxford Mail to "understand" suggests someone very close to negotiations has deliberately briefed the press. I'm slightly surprised nothing more has 'leaked' as usually someone close to the club tells a mate who posts on twitter/facebook/here, rather like the initial Sartori thread. So if there was a staff meeting, it can't have had much detail in it for it not to leak. I notice the BBC report claims Stewart Donald as a minority shareholder but thought that never got taken up in the end. Anyway, Eales has always claimed the club was not a property play - but getting the club to be a saleable asset for more than he invested perhaps is? I would be surprised. On the basis that MAPP has an excellent record of coaching young players and has done very well at Oxford. JS came to the Oxford game and seems to know Charlie and SD so is not coming in without any knowledge. My guess for what it is worth is that MAPP would be wanted by JS to carry on. The fact however that the AGM has been agreed, the retained list has been put back again, and MAPP keeps reiterating that the business needs to be done in May just makes you wonder whether things are close. If however JS wants the ground sorted as part of the deal then the whole thing could be a way away ....
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Post by mcf86 on May 10, 2017 16:15:16 GMT
I'd bet Blackburn Rovers would be ecstatic if their present owners the Venky's could be replaced by JS, that will apply to a fair number of other Clubs of various standing in the EFL. ''Chicken farmers'' or people who are 'Into their football' who want to develop the club and team with an eye on the Championship and possibly the Premiership, difficult choice, unless you're addicted to fowl food above football?!
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Post by oufcyellows on May 10, 2017 16:19:19 GMT
That's what I don't get with some people. Would u rather have a horrible foreign owner like satori. Or a decent English fellow like lee power running your team
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Post by salaghaf on May 10, 2017 16:19:28 GMT
Trying to tie a few more comments together. If Lundstram and Maguire are concerned about the possibility of Appleton leaving, is that because he is looking for the promise of Championship football / a competitive L1 budget? Or is it that a Sartori (or whoever) takeover would bring in their own management team?There is talk of a leak, but for both BBC Oxford and Oxford Mail to "understand" suggests someone very close to negotiations has deliberately briefed the press. I'm slightly surprised nothing more has 'leaked' as usually someone close to the club tells a mate who posts on twitter/facebook/here, rather like the initial Sartori thread. So if there was a staff meeting, it can't have had much detail in it for it not to leak. I notice the BBC report claims Stewart Donald as a minority shareholder but thought that never got taken up in the end. Anyway, Eales has always claimed the club was not a property play - but getting the club to be a saleable asset for more than he invested perhaps is? I would be surprised. On the basis that MAPP has an excellent record of coaching young players and has done very well at Oxford. JS came to the Oxford game and seems to know Charlie and SD so is not coming in without any knowledge. My guess for what it is worth is that MAPP would be wanted by JS to carry on. The fact however that the AGM has been agreed, the retained list has been put back again, and MAPP keeps reiterating that the business needs to be done in May just makes you wonder whether things are close. If however JS wants the ground sorted as part of the deal then the whole thing could be a way away .... But that caring "community" man Ka$$am won't sell the ground to an individual...... Hope JS didn't go and visit Fk on his own today. "It's not the money sir, it's the principle. I have the best interests of both OUFC and the wider community to consider....." Followed by "Where do i sign" when JS opens his exceedingly large briefcase full of cash.
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Post by manorlounger on May 10, 2017 16:32:37 GMT
FK not selling the ground to Eales is one thing, refusing to sell to the considerably richer son-in-law of one of your even richer neighbours of Russian descent may be a less attractive prospect. Doing one of your fellow Monagesque residents a favour may prove to be a concept that appeals to FK.
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Post by mcf86 on May 10, 2017 16:40:51 GMT
Satori bid 'Credible' - DE. And, Sartori meeting with kasham over the next two days. [Radox]
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Post by Marked Ox on May 10, 2017 16:49:02 GMT
Looking forward to the return of Mateo Corbo, league 1 wingers be afraid, be very afraid. That lad was a beast. Yellow cardtastic.
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Post by Eaststandboy on May 10, 2017 16:50:15 GMT
But selling the stadium to JS could see Kassams relations in Monaco boosted......
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Post by HeyMcAleny on May 10, 2017 16:54:53 GMT
I've watched a few videos of Santori being interviewed for news segments, and I have to say he's pretty impressive. He doesn't sound like some rich kid playing with parent's money - he sounds like a very smart investor.
When you look at the portfolio of his company, it's various sectors in Latin America. Football in the UK doesn't seem an obvious fit, although he prefers sectors where the assets are somewhat "distressed", which is to say they carry debt and are under-valued compared to their potential for growth.
These are his comments to Bloomberg last year following the Brexit referendum result, and the slide in value of the pound:-
"This currency effect has been very, very dramatic, and when you look at it from an individual point of view of buying a property in the UK for any foreigner it has become much, much more attractive and affordable than it used to be in the high times so it doesn't only have negative effects, and I think it's going to also drive new investments, it's going to drive the possibility of being more competitive abroad, and this currency is kind of adjusting the economy to a level where it's becoming interesting for many sectors."
I wonder if his interactions with Monaco, due his father-in-law have stirred an interest in him to become an owner. The question is then where to buy. He visits London quite regularly, and Oxford is nearby. He's a Harvard alumni, and Oxford is perhaps more of an interesting brand to him.
I think (assuming all this about him making an offer is accurate) that he sees it as a moment in time where his money has more value in the UK, and he sees OUFC as having room for growth. I also think that there is an element of status to this, and Oxford as a city is perhaps more interesting to him than others.
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Post by tonyw on May 10, 2017 17:04:47 GMT
To borrow a little from Tim from the Office.....
In the great game of football club owners, we at OUFC have rolled a '4'. DE is a great lower league chairman. He's found a terrific young manager, and then backed him with the resources needed to be successful. That's shown in the results on the pitch. But his pockets aren't deep enough to take us much further than he has done.....and he's also run up quite a debt.
So the question is - who wants to pick up the dice and have another roll?
We could roll a '6', and Sartori is another Maxim Denim. Or we could roll a '1', and he's another Bechetti. He doesn't seem that crazy and vindictive, but most of us don't know much about him.
Personally, I'd probably leave the dice well alone. But then again, I'm happy being in League One and not all that ambitious when it comes to football.......
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Post by mcf86 on May 10, 2017 17:35:01 GMT
Sartori suits us down to the ground, and his sartorial elegance will soon grace the boardroom of the Grenoble road stadium, hopefully!! Wondering if his name is derived from 'Sartorial'? Or, is his middle name 'al'? ;-)
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Post by The Fence End on May 10, 2017 17:41:42 GMT
Does he own socks do you think?
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Post by bashamwonderland on May 10, 2017 17:52:10 GMT
To borrow a little from Tim from the Office..... In the great game of football club owners, we at OUFC have rolled a '4'. DE is a great lower league chairman. He's found a terrific young manager, and then backed him with the resources needed to be successful. That's shown in the results on the pitch. But his pockets aren't deep enough to take us much further than he has done.....and he's also run up quite a debt. So the question is - who wants to pick up the dice and have another roll? We could roll a '6', and Sartori is another Maxim Denim. Or we could roll a '1', and he's another Bechetti. He doesn't seem that crazy and vindictive, but most of us don't know much about him. Personally, I'd probably leave the dice well alone. But then again, I'm happy being in League One and not all that ambitious when it comes to football....... This sums up my feelings better than I could. Good comment.
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Post by sideshowrob on May 10, 2017 18:23:10 GMT
This could be good fun... he being South American might bring in the Argentines. Horacio Rodriguez, and Ramon Diaz unfinished business... Looking forward to the return of Mateo Corbo, league 1 wingers be afraid, be very afraid. I doubt it, he's 41 now! He was great fun to watch back in the day though.
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Post by bigronaldo on May 10, 2017 18:27:44 GMT
The thing is, as we all know, we really have absolutely no influence whatsoever on the future owners of our club. If DE wanted to sell to Kim Jong il, then provided he was deemed fit by the football league then we would then be sponsored next season by IBM (intercontinental Ballistic Missiles). All we can do is hope against hope that this current tooing and froing eventually turns out well.
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Post by samueloufc - Disabled on May 10, 2017 18:28:48 GMT
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Post by oufcyellows on May 10, 2017 18:29:44 GMT
The thing is, as we all know, we really have absolutely no influence whatsoever on the future owners of our club. If DE wanted to sell to Kim Jong il, then provided he was deemed fit by the football league then we would then be sponsored next season by IBM (intercontinental Ballistic Missiles). All we can do is hope against hope that this turns out well. Can't see him being deemed fit, he's been dead 7 years
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Post by bigronaldo on May 10, 2017 18:32:46 GMT
'Un'-funny oufcyellows!
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Post by The Fence End on May 10, 2017 18:33:53 GMT
He was right about the new kit....
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Post by maggiesdad on May 10, 2017 18:37:06 GMT
The thing is, as we all know, we really have absolutely no influence whatsoever on the future owners of our club. If DE wanted to sell to Kim Jong il, then provided he was deemed fit by the football league then we would then be sponsored next season by IBM (intercontinental Ballistic Missiles). All we can do is hope against hope that this turns out well. Can't see him being deemed fit, he's been dead 7 years Still likely to pass the EFL Fit and Proper person test.....
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Post by saddletramp on May 10, 2017 18:40:20 GMT
Reading about Monaco's stadium it appears it is not owned by the football club. I may be wrong but it looks government owned with many different uses. Attendances are around 8000 with a maximum stadium capacity of 30000. Sound to me that oufc may be a better deal for Santori than his father in laws. And, some sort of deal that includes part fan ownership of the stadium may not be out of the question. All guesswork of course. Having been to the Stade Louis,i can assure you it holds nowhere near 30k. I actually saw the great Sartori play for Man United , en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Sartori
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Post by The Fence End on May 10, 2017 18:54:34 GMT
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Post by aaronoxf on May 10, 2017 18:55:23 GMT
I am happy with my club, my aspirations for Oxford aren't that of a top championship club but I would love the flirt with the championship under our own steam and development. For me we are a top league 1 team, no more.
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Post by samueloufc - Disabled on May 10, 2017 18:59:35 GMT
I am happy with my club, my aspirations for Oxford aren't that of a top championship club but I would love the flirt with the championship under our own steam and development. For me we are a top league 1 team, no more. Pure ambition 🙄
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Post by aaronoxf on May 10, 2017 19:01:02 GMT
I am happy with my club, my aspirations for Oxford aren't that of a top championship club but I would love the flirt with the championship under our own steam and development. For me we are a top league 1 team, no more. Pure ambition 🙄 Of course I'm ambitious but I'm also a realist. I can't imagine Sartori paying for my coach to Hartlepool or buying me a scarf or buying me a hot dog and a pint or another pint at a different game
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Post by gofish2 on May 10, 2017 19:14:01 GMT
I rather think that this talk of 'leaks' is a little bit paranoid, as are the cries of 'why haven't we been fully informed' etc etc..These are obviously delicate negotiations and the full picture is not likely to be revealed until/if all relevant parties have agreed a joint statement, working on the assumption that there is something important to say. There are legal considerations, not to mention diplomacy in negotiation, at play, and for these reasons we can only infer from what we are told what is actually happening. My interpretation (loosely cobbled together) is that; during commentary on the last match of the season Jerome said (not verbatim) " It will be an an interesting summer, which players will still be here, will there be a new owner?' followed today with news that DE has met with JS and confirmed that (A) he has received a "serious offer" and that (B) JS will meet with FK in the next couple of days. It occurs to me that (B) couldn't happen unless (A) was a viable possibility, thus allowing progression.
Clearly, this has been developing for some while and those whose business it really is, have been working hard and ensuring that their professionalism is maintained. So, those who might wish to critically imply that some Machiavellian sub plot is unfolding need to take a deep breath.
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Post by whitstablexile on May 10, 2017 19:15:57 GMT
Buy the bloke a life jacket!!
Love the thought of Kassam being the junior with something to lose now. Depends entirely on JS's ambitions for the club of course.
Be great if DE can stay on but again it depends on the plans and scale of investment.
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