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Post by sarge on Apr 29, 2017 18:19:04 GMT
This reply is for "ag" I would support SOME fans against dodgy owners. Most fans even. But these wankers I will not. They were disrespectful at our lowest hour, in a big way. Since then they have tried to rewrite the history of that day on message boards, tried to take the p*ss with their chants to us at their place last season ("we made your kids cry" was one chant), and continue to try to take the p*ss to this day. Now the boot is on the other foot and they're the ones suffering and you expect us to show empathy? No, no, no, no a thousand nos. They deserve all the misery they're currently getting and that's coming to them. Go away Orient, for a long time. Learn some manners, some respect, and some humility. Then and only then will they be ready to return, but even then, I'll forever hate the bastards for how they behaved in 2006 and since. The I don't think you're an appropriate person to have anything to do with our fans organisation. We need a calm head. not a childish grudge bearer If youre not an oxvox member your use of the word 'we' is pointless ... if you are, see ya may 25th for the agm, and Ill have discussion with you about weather or not Orient deserve to be detested forever, Ill even buy the first round
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Post by Colin B on Apr 29, 2017 18:20:36 GMT
This reply is for "ag" I would support SOME fans against dodgy owners. Most fans even. But these wankers I will not. They were disrespectful at our lowest hour, in a big way. Since then they have tried to rewrite the history of that day on message boards, tried to take the p*ss with their chants to us at their place last season ("we made your kids cry" was one chant), and continue to try to take the p*ss to this day. Now the boot is on the other foot and they're the ones suffering and you expect us to show empathy? No, no, no, no a thousand nos. They deserve all the misery they're currently getting and that's coming to them. Go away Orient, for a long time. Learn some manners, some respect, and some humility. Then and only then will they be ready to return, but even then, I'll forever hate the bastards for how they behaved in 2006 and since. The I don't think you're an appropriate person to have anything to do with our fans organisation. We need a calm head. not a childish grudge bearer I'm happy to let the rest of the membership decide that at the ballot box when the time comes.
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Post by holdsteady on Apr 29, 2017 18:23:45 GMT
When he first took over he spent plenty of money (badly), he paid the wages and taxes for over two years as well. How were the FA/FL supposed to know this would happen 2 years down the line. Nearly 100% of Orient fans backed his takeover as he was going to fund their push into the championship. Having took over then having done what he did what where the FA/FL supposed to do? Fine him? He wouldn't pay. Take points off of Orient? They don't have many and he doesn't care. Relegate them? That's just impatient. Unless they go down the franchise route then the FA/FL have very little power over club owners who go AWOL. The fit and proper nonsense is a joke, but mainly because the football authorities do not have the ability to see into the future or tell when someone is lying, and the Bechettis of this world rarely come straight out and tell you they are cunts. Orient got unlucky and got an extremely incompetent millionaire who threw the toys out of his pram spectaculary when he spent his money badly and he didn't get his own way. It wasn't difficult to find out about Becchetti's history or connections. He's not just incompetent. Β Then there's the fact that he kicked his own managerHow were they supposed to know he was going to kick his own manager? They could ban him from the ground for it but not much else. The above bit is mostly about his uncle, if having dodgy relatives takes you out of the running to own a football club then we are fucked if i become a billionaire. Not one Orient fan complained when Hearn sold to him, now they claim that the FL should do something about it, but they (or you) never say what. The only power the FL have essentially punishes the club, how does that affect an owner who doesn't care anymore?
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Post by ag on Apr 29, 2017 18:34:25 GMT
How were they supposed to know he was going to kick his own manager? They could ban him from the ground for it but not much else. The above bit is mostly about his uncle, if having dodgy relatives takes you out of the running to own a football club then we are fucked if i become a billionaire. Not one Orient fan complained when Hearn sold to him, now they claim that the FL should do something about it, but they (or you) never say what. The only power the FL have essentially punishes the club, how does that affect an owner who doesn't care anymore? There's a law of libel, but it's perfectly possible to discover the kind of businesses Becchetti and his family are involved with. Hearn should not have been allowed to sell to him, because, as you say, once an owner takes over the club they can do as they please. The FA has laws to prevent exactly this kind of eventuality.
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Post by ag on Apr 29, 2017 18:37:32 GMT
As you will have seen I deleted my post about Colin B- but someone had quote replied before I had done so. I still think it's a shame that because some fans and the then owner behaved badly 11 years ago that our fans group can't respond to fans of another club in a desperate situation
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Post by sarge on Apr 29, 2017 18:39:13 GMT
How were they supposed to know he was going to kick his own manager? They could ban him from the ground for it but not much else. The above bit is mostly about his uncle, if having dodgy relatives takes you out of the running to own a football club then we are fucked if i become a billionaire. Not one Orient fan complained when Hearn sold to him, now they claim that the FL should do something about it, but they (or you) never say what. The only power the FL have essentially punishes the club, how does that affect an owner who doesn't care anymore? There's a law of libel, but it's perfectly possible to discover the kind of businesses Becchetti and his family are involved with. Hearn should not have been allowed to sell to him, because, as you say, once an owner takes over the club they can do as they please. The FA has laws to prevent exactly this kind of eventuality. Do the fa? ....I thought that upstanding international businessman Murdoch always has the final say, as he has done eversince the premiership was created?
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Post by sarge on Apr 29, 2017 18:40:45 GMT
As you will have seen I deleted my post about Colin B- but someone had quote replied before I had done so. I still think it's a shame that because some fans and the then owner behaved badly 11 years ago that our fans group can't respond to fans of another club in a desperate situation KARMA
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Post by oufcyellows on Apr 29, 2017 18:41:47 GMT
I think you will find our fans group is stood firmly with their fans group and all others as part of supporters direct . That doesn't mean people can't have their own opinions, or that anyone wants them to go out of business. They didn't give 2 shits about our relegation that day so why should we ?
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Post by sarumox on Apr 29, 2017 18:53:42 GMT
Delighted they will be mixing it with the Bromleys, and Guiseleys of this world but there are plenty more clubs higher up the food chain who are doing more damage to us and football at our level in general that I would like to go to the wall before Orient. This latest episode is just the start of their problems which will provide more warm feelings of revenge. They go out of business, where is the fun in that. Most clubs have dodgy owners, we have had a few in the past, From Man U to Blackburn, Southampton and Portsmouth, even Salisbury have had issues with owners. Happens at all levels, where Orient is slightly different is they had one shyster selling to another but to lay blame at the door of others is where they lose any support from other fans like us, particularly when added to their behaviour at our relgation wake.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 29, 2017 19:35:29 GMT
As you will have seen I deleted my post about Colin B- but someone had quote replied before I had done so. I still think it's a shame that because some fans and the then owner behaved badly 11 years ago that our fans group can't respond to fans of another club in a desperate situation f*ck them.
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Post by holdsteady on Apr 29, 2017 19:43:18 GMT
As you will have seen I deleted my post about Colin B- but someone had quote replied before I had done so. I still think it's a shame that because some fans and the then owner behaved badly 11 years ago that our fans group can't respond to fans of another club in a desperate situation f*ck them. I think a pot bellied middle aged Italian beat you to it.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 29, 2017 19:56:47 GMT
Jesus. I wouldn't poke an Orient supporter with yours.
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Post by bicesterox on Apr 29, 2017 20:05:38 GMT
Says on the beeb that 'the police told the media not to put anything about restarting on social media until more police arrived to secure the ground'. Some woman on 606 saying they invaded to force an abandonment, she was right p*ssed off about the restart.....got what they deserved I reckon She said as a S/T holder she should have been able to see the full game....Silly cow was one of them who got it called off in the first place ! Did feel sorry for the Colchester fan who said ' were on the A12 and I'm trying to get my dad to go back but he's not having it.
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Post by Kairdiff Exile on Apr 29, 2017 21:19:13 GMT
Absolute disgrace to see the authorities do what they did today. Lying to fans, telling them the match was abandoned, only to restart it in front of an empty stadium speaks volumes about the (dis)regard in which we are held by the FA, the Football League and others. And disappointing to see a lack of real media scrutiny about the extent to which those same authorities have allowed Orient's demise to happen without stepping in and removing their crooked owners.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Apr 29, 2017 21:30:54 GMT
Standard Operating Procedure. Kill yourself or get over it.
With apologies to Black Box Recorder.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Apr 29, 2017 21:39:31 GMT
Absolute disgrace to see the authorities do what they did today. Lying to fans, telling them the match was abandoned, only to restart it in front of an empty stadium speaks volumes about the (dis)regard in which we are held by the FA, the Football League and others. And disappointing to see a lack of real media scrutiny about the extent to which those same authorities have allowed Orient's demise to happen without stepping in and removing their crooked owners. I don't agree with some of that. If it becomes known that crowds can force abandonments by invading the pitch then it will keep happening. (I do accept that in this case the Orient supporters were protesting about their owners rather than trying to somehow change the outcome of the game, but it was incredibly disrespectful to their opponents and sets a potential precedent). I think there were two choices. Simply abandon the match giving the points to Colchester, or do what they did. The problem with the first option is that Colchester could have scored another goal in the remaining time, thus improving their play-off chances - so not fair to them. Or Orient could have scored - not fair to Colchester's rivals. So if we accept that the match had to be finished and had to really, practically had to be finished today, and they had told the crowd that - I think we would still be waiting for it to restart! Of course it isn't a long term solution. They have to make an example of Orient and their supporters so people aren't tempted to try it again. Whether that's a fine (ha! ha! ha!), a points deduction for next season or making them play a few games behind closed doors (or at least with no home fans!) - I don't know. I do agree with the second part of your post though. The powers that be have signally failed to scrutinise potential owners (of many clubs) BEFORE they get their hands on a precious asset that morally 'belongs' to the supporters and the community in which the club is based.
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Post by My Manor on Apr 29, 2017 22:26:32 GMT
Standard Operating Procedure. Kill yourself or get over it. With apologies to Black Box Recorder. Will that be a black tie event( to celebrate the end of the Orient in the East end!) Perhaps the Bird will lay on a spread. Is there a current format for dead cockney football clubs with regards to dining?
I'd imagine it may Oyster based to start, with perhaps a Pie & Mash base main course.
Unless the Bird would prefer to base it more on the Orient, Chow mien, Crisp Duck?
Personally, I'd rather get an award winning Kebab, go home and watch highlights of the Yellows.
I hope they suffer for at least five years!!
F!!UCK of Orient
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Post by Colin B on Apr 29, 2017 22:51:44 GMT
As you will have seen I deleted my post about Colin B- but someone had quote replied before I had done so. I still think it's a shame that because some fans and the then owner behaved badly 11 years ago that our fans group can't respond to fans of another club in a desperate situation My views are my own personal views, not those of OxVox. However, I'm very sure that you would find that my colleagues on the OxVox committee have very similar views.
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Post by holdsteady on Apr 30, 2017 0:27:52 GMT
Absolute disgrace to see the authorities do what they did today. Lying to fans, telling them the match was abandoned, only to restart it in front of an empty stadium speaks volumes about the (dis)regard in which we are held by the FA, the Football League and others. And disappointing to see a lack of real media scrutiny about the extent to which those same authorities have allowed Orient's demise to happen without stepping in and removing their crooked owners. I don't agree with some of that. If it becomes known that crowds can force abandonments by invading the pitch then it will keep happening. (I do accept that in this case the Orient supporters were protesting about their owners rather than trying to somehow change the outcome of the game, but it was incredibly disrespectful to their opponents and sets a potential precedent). I think there were two choices. Simply abandon the match giving the points to Colchester, or do what they did. The problem with the first option is that Colchester could have scored another goal in the remaining time, thus improving their play-off chances - so not fair to them. Or Orient could have scored - not fair to Colchester's rivals. So if we accept that the match had to be finished and had to really, practically had to be finished today, and they had told the crowd that - I think we would still be waiting for it to restart! Of course it isn't a long term solution. They have to make an example of Orient and their supporters so people aren't tempted to try it again. Whether that's a fine (ha! ha! ha!), a points deduction for next season or making them play a few games behind closed doors (or at least with no home fans!) - I don't know. I do agree with the second part of your post though. The powers that be have signally failed to scrutinise potential owners (of many clubs) BEFORE they get their hands on a precious asset that morally 'belongs' to the supporters and the community in which the club is based. Agree with most of what you post, but, how do you think fans will react if a takeover promising significant investment is turned down by the FL? Brave man to deny a club of their messiah who will take them on a journey.
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Post by didcotox on Apr 30, 2017 9:47:57 GMT
Absolute disgrace to see the authorities do what they did today. Lying to fans, telling them the match was abandoned, only to restart it in front of an empty stadium speaks volumes about the (dis)regard in which we are held by the FA, the Football League and others. And disappointing to see a lack of real media scrutiny about the extent to which those same authorities have allowed Orient's demise to happen without stepping in and removing their crooked owners. I don't agree with some of that. If it becomes known that crowds can force abandonments by invading the pitch then it will keep happening. (I do accept that in this case the Orient supporters were protesting about their owners rather than trying to somehow change the outcome of the game, but it was incredibly disrespectful to their opponents and sets a potential precedent). I think there were two choices. Simply abandon the match giving the points to Colchester, or do what they did. The problem with the first option is that Colchester could have scored another goal in the remaining time, thus improving their play-off chances - so not fair to them. Or Orient could have scored - not fair to Colchester's rivals. So if we accept that the match had to be finished and had to really, practically had to be finished today, and they had told the crowd that - I think we would still be waiting for it to restart! Of course it isn't a long term solution. They have to make an example of Orient and their supporters so people aren't tempted to try it again. Whether that's a fine (ha! ha! ha!), a points deduction for next season or making them play a few games behind closed doors (or at least with no home fans!) - I don't know. I do agree with the second part of your post though. The powers that be have signally failed to scrutinise potential owners (of many clubs) BEFORE they get their hands on a precious asset that morally 'belongs' to the supporters and the community in which the club is based. Fully agree. Fans can't be allowed to hold up a game. A fine would be ineffectual as it's not the fans who pay the price. Only way is for a points deduction next season or forced to play ga,es behind closed doors. The FA have to come down hard on Orient as a deterrent to others. I am beginning to feel less and less sorry for Orient the more I read about their situation.
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Post by bashamwonderland on Apr 30, 2017 10:11:39 GMT
Those Orient fans who didn't dance on the pitch in 2006 are of course welcome to come and watch a real team challenge for the Championship next year.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 1, 2017 18:43:46 GMT
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Post by didcotox on May 1, 2017 19:01:07 GMT
Only have themselves to blame. Serves them right.
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Post by holdsteady on May 1, 2017 19:08:59 GMT
The FL ain't going to let them f*ck up the play offs, with Blackpool being in the final spot but having problems of their own with fans and owners, didn't they have a game called off a year or two back?
Can see it being a home season ticket holder only game.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 19:21:12 GMT
That's a pity as I am sure there are plenty of Oxford fans who wield like to share Blackpools joy at making the play offs
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Post by ZeroTheHero on May 1, 2017 19:47:40 GMT
There are some on their forum who are desperate to get on Blackpool's pitch and stay there to make sure the match isn't finished. Despite the fact that the match is important as far as Blackpool are concerned, that Blackpool are having a bucket collection FOR Orient and that by all accounts the Blackpool fan's organisation has been incredibly supportive to them. And now they will doubtless whinge about this. Classless - it shows complete disregard for other clubs and (more importantly) other supporters. But they'll want other fans to be sympathetic.
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Post by greatunclekip on May 1, 2017 19:52:45 GMT
Cant help but chuckle at Orients situation and antics. Actually. Scrap that. I find it absolutely hilarious.
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Post by Colin B on May 1, 2017 20:21:36 GMT
What goes around comes aroundβ¦β¦β¦β¦..
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Post by oufcgav on May 1, 2017 20:26:00 GMT
The FL ain't going to let them f*ck up the play offs, with Blackpool being in the final spot but having problems of their own with fans and owners, didn't they have a game called off a year or two back? Can see it being a home season ticket holder only game. Blackpool didn't complete their final game of 14/15 - the FL were seemingly less concerned about the integrity of the league that season and didn't insist on the completion of the game. Blackpool were punished with a Β£50,000 fine (there was also a suspended 1 game behind closed doors punishment that has already expired). As for Blackpool's issues, I won't put details on here - the Oystons have sued a number of Blackpool's fans for comments on forums.
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Post by concretebob on May 1, 2017 20:29:21 GMT
They'll blame the football league. Certainly not the Orient fans fault!
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