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Post by milburn on Oct 8, 2016 5:38:54 GMT
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Post by finlandia on Oct 8, 2016 5:42:14 GMT
What worries me is according to this story there has been no involvement from DE in these talks.
The club must be involved.
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Post by thesecretposter on Oct 8, 2016 6:01:52 GMT
What worries me is according to this story there has been no involvement from DE in these talks. The club must be involved. Why must the club be involved? If whoever owns the club at any given time doesn't own the stadium it means they can't shaft us if/when it comes to selling up much like when Kassam did. I would much rather the stadium was owned by OxVox and the council for example rather than the owners of the club.
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Post by lambchop on Oct 8, 2016 6:27:46 GMT
I have always said I would be willing to sell, it just has to be done in the right way so it is not abused by anybody ELSE further down the line." -(my favourite quote) There you go FK I've amended your quote for you.... I wonder what he's got up his sleave to shaft us with this time? Read more: yellowsforum.co.uk/thread/24588/heart-gold#ixzz4MTLVki8m
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Post by finlandia on Oct 8, 2016 6:50:23 GMT
Because OxVox members and committee are transient but the club would be permanent.
There's more to owning the stadium then just paying the money. Business plans, upkeep, etc.
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Post by blox21 on Oct 8, 2016 6:56:46 GMT
I feel another journey coming !
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Post by oxfordyankee on Oct 8, 2016 7:15:48 GMT
Don't buy this at all.
I respect the guys who run OxVox and they will always have the club's interest at heart, but as soon as FK starts to position his actions as anything other than purely maximising a return, then history tells us that all is not as it seems.
Good luck, guys, I trust that we'll end this with the important relationships intact.
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Post by myles on Oct 8, 2016 7:16:40 GMT
Because OxVox members and committee are transient but the club would be permanent. There's more to owning the stadium then just paying the money. Business plans, upkeep, etc. OxVox are no more transient than the football club. The club owners and directors are subject to change too. But I imagine this wouldn't just be OxVox anyway, it'd be a broader community trust to hold ownership. Of course the devil is in the detail and it seems like early days, but this looks like a very positive step.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 7:21:05 GMT
Because OxVox members and committee are transient but the club would be permanent. There's more to owning the stadium then just paying the money. Business plans, upkeep, etc. OxVox are no more transient than the football club. The club owners and directors are subject to change too. But I imagine this wouldn't just be OxVox anyway, it'd be a broader community trust to hold ownership. Of course the devil is in the detail and it seems like early days, but this looks like a very positive step. Steady , you didn't even mention watereaton once then 😉 no doubt Charlie will be along soon to say why it would be a bad idea . Although I think he did say he would eat his ox hat if anyone found away of us getting the kassam😃
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Post by holdsteady on Oct 8, 2016 7:40:57 GMT
The bit about it taking years is a bit worrying, you would hope not, but with provisions this is a positive piece of news.
Until more is known about the structure of the deal, it's hard to get to excited but it's at least a step in the right direction after years of being stuck
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Post by frankie on Oct 8, 2016 8:00:22 GMT
Seems to me that FK has found a way of putting a massive wedge between himself and DE. The 4th stand issue was a clever move by DE to expose yet again the uncooperative stance of FK. With the Community Asset in place all FK has done Is to bring his enemies closer. You can bet your last dollar this will go on and on and will in the end all come down to him getting building rights and a hefty sum. This will go on for years. I only hope it does not p*** off DE and he is being kept in the loop by OXvox.
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Post by haloras on Oct 8, 2016 8:27:57 GMT
Divide and conquer. This man is after 1 of 2 things either to keep the club paying a rent that they can't get out of or to bulldoze the place so that he can build his next project. He is doing what he is doing to cause disruption between a currently very harmonious club and supporters club to try and make a friction. Looks like he's doing us over all over again. For gods sake please someone win the euromillions so we can be rid of this man once and for all
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Post by cass63 on Oct 8, 2016 8:28:26 GMT
Surely community owned is the best option anyway,. We all know de is a great chairman but if he owned it and sold it on to a rogue the whole thing starts again.
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 8:39:38 GMT
Seems to me that FK has found a way of putting a massive wedge between himself and DE. The 4th stand issue was a clever move by DE to expose yet again the uncooperative stance of FK. With the Community Asset in place all FK has done Is to bring his enemies closer. You can bet your last dollar this will go on and on and will in the end all come down to him getting building rights and a hefty sum. This will go on for years. I only hope it does not p*** off DE and he is being kept in the loop by OXvox. Completely right, but I don't think he'll be years.
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Post by uptheus on Oct 8, 2016 8:40:06 GMT
Surely community owned is the best option anyway,. We all know de is a great chairman but if he owned it and sold it on to a rogue the whole thing starts again. Correct.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 8, 2016 8:48:38 GMT
This is exciting news. It should be seen in a positive light. Talks between OxVox and Kassam are bringing the prospect of community ownership of the ground forward. The fact that DE is not involved in talks is understandable. We, the fans, are the only constant at the club, and we are ably represented by the current OxVox team.
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Post by haloras on Oct 8, 2016 9:03:02 GMT
Whilst I get the whole rogue owner thing can anyone tell me how the club is supposed to make any meaningful profit without a stadium. This is nuts and must have de looking at his options. I seem to remember him saying that to make the club successful we'd need to own the stadium.....
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Post by manorlounger on Oct 8, 2016 9:10:59 GMT
Whilst I get the whole rogue owner thing can anyone tell me how the club is supposed to make any meaningful profit without a stadium. This is nuts and must have de looking at his options. I seem to remember him saying that to make the club successful we'd need to own the stadium..... What we need is the income from ownership. If the stadium can be community owned and then put at the disposal of the club to utilise for conference, catering and such like, then it will work. No owner of the club would be able to sell the ground but would not be paying rent in the stupid sums that is the present arrangement. (if at all!) It is a win, win solution.
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Post by ox4eva on Oct 8, 2016 9:14:09 GMT
Fair play to OxVox but I think they are getting played here!
FK will be happy when it's a community owned stadium along with his flats of course.
If it's community owned (not sure that means?) Then OUFC will still not make any revenue from the stadium I guess?
Excluding DE is interesting, and the mention of not selling to an idividual as well.
If FK is so keen for it to be community stadium then maybe he could show good will and officially rename it for starters!!
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Post by old on Oct 8, 2016 9:24:39 GMT
Interesting that Kassam chooses to make this public just 24hrs before the televised game where supporters were suggesting a well positioned banner and a show of discontentment with the stadium owner. Never trust this man.
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Post by haloras on Oct 8, 2016 9:30:06 GMT
Whilst I get the whole rogue owner thing can anyone tell me how the club is supposed to make any meaningful profit without a stadium. This is nuts and must have de looking at his options. I seem to remember him saying that to make the club successful we'd need to own the stadium..... What we need is the income from ownership. If the stadium can be community owned and then put at the disposal of the club to utilise for conference, catering and such like, then it will work. No owner of the club would be able to sell the ground but would not be paying rent in the stupid sums that is the present arrangement. (if at all!) It is a win, win solution. again how does the club make a profit. Even if this is community owned the investors will want s return of sorts even if to just break even. That would mean high rent for the club just to pay off the initial purchase price. This also means that FK can set the terms of the sale to include things like flats in the corners etc. It could also only be for the stadium and not the parking... Whoever the community consortium us they would need the very best lawyers and need to think of the needs of both the club and any current or future owners. I will never trust FK to do the right thing by anyone other than himself...
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Post by arthur on Oct 8, 2016 9:30:12 GMT
I was at the oxvox members meeting a couple of monts ago where DE and GBT were present, DE actually suggested that a community owned stadium rather than an outright purchase was his preferred option, I think DE has been quite clever here, he has planted the seed and then sat back and let the other interested parties run with it. It will be very interesting to see what OUFC terms of use are if this actually happens.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 8, 2016 9:30:50 GMT
Interesting that Kassam chooses to make this public just 24hrs before the televised game where supporters were suggesting a well positioned banner and a show of discontentment with the stadium owner. Never trust this man. Problem is old, if we 'never trust this man' the club / OxVox / a combination of the two will never negotiate with him. How will that take us forward? Mistrust is understandable, but time to move on for the benefit of the club.
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 9:31:10 GMT
Whilst I get the whole rogue owner thing can anyone tell me how the club is supposed to make any meaningful profit without a stadium. This is nuts and must have de looking at his options. I seem to remember him saying that to make the club successful we'd need to own the stadium..... If it's community not for profit organisation then the club would make the money on the thins they run like restaurant and such, and pay a much smaller rent to cover costs
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Post by Common Villager on Oct 8, 2016 10:02:53 GMT
DE is fully aware of these talks and has given his support to OxVox.
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Post by yellowoptimist on Oct 8, 2016 10:47:35 GMT
Feels like a complete smoke screen and convenient Kassam comes clean when he has some negative press ref the temp stand. Given his love of the club let them erect the temp stand and charge reasonable prices to allow the restaurant to function at a profit etc. I hope Oxvox are asking these questions as well!!
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Post by scoob on Oct 8, 2016 11:22:08 GMT
What we need is the income from ownership. If the stadium can be community owned and then put at the disposal of the club to utilise for conference, catering and such like, then it will work. No owner of the club would be able to sell the ground but would not be paying rent in the stupid sums that is the present arrangement. (if at all!) It is a win, win solution. again how does the club make a profit. Even if this is community owned the investors will want s return of sorts even if to just break even. That would mean high rent for the club just to pay off the initial purchase price. This also means that FK can set the terms of the sale to include things like flats in the corners etc. It could also only be for the stadium and not the parking... Whoever the community consortium us they would need the very best lawyers and need to think of the needs of both the club and any current or future owners. I will never trust FK to do the right thing by anyone other than himself... You, and others, really are trying to find the negatives. Instead of having an owner who takes cash of over half a million from owning the stadium that can be reinvested by reducing rent. The club and community trust owner will have the benefit of OUFC in mind and should work together to generate profit for both parties for mutual benefit. It will safeguard the asset from dodgy owners in the future. There are many risks that will have to be factored in but this can only be a positive in my mind provided the stadium is purchased at a viable price with the necessary safeguards.
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Post by scoob on Oct 8, 2016 11:24:38 GMT
I was at the oxvox members meeting a couple of monts ago where DE and GBT were present, DE actually suggested that a community owned stadium rather than an outright purchase was his preferred option, I think DE has been quite clever here, he has planted the seed and then sat back and let the other interested parties run with it. It will be very interesting to see what OUFC terms of use are if this actually happens. The seeds were planted long before DE was involved in OUFC!
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Post by minime on Oct 8, 2016 11:34:10 GMT
Surely community owned is the best option anyway,. We all know de is a great chairman but if he owned it and sold it on to a rogue the whole thing starts again. You really think the "community" will own anything?
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Post by oufcyellows on Oct 8, 2016 11:35:20 GMT
Surely community owned is the best option anyway,. We all know de is a great chairman but if he owned it and sold it on to a rogue the whole thing starts again. You really think the "community" will own anything? Why not ?
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