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Post by charliesghost on Jan 2, 2016 14:59:29 GMT
I understand all that, and it is dream scenario. But it's already been said water eaton is minimum 10years away and that's if planning is even granted there. Are u saying we can't move forward at our current ground as there are plenty of examples of how that is rubbish. Bournemouth ? If we own the stadium have all the revenue coming in from that and have a training/academy complex opposite ( which will bring more parking ) then we are way ahead of plenty of l1 and championship clubs. If it's what daryl and Stuart think is best to do, and they have both been pretty clear that it is, then that's fine by me. Very easy to spend someone else's money Charlie. Plus there is always the option then of once we own the kassam and are moving forward on a much better financial footing that we can start looking at water eaton, knowing we own a plot of land that could be possibly built on for housing to fund a move. Rather than waiting 10year before we start making money from a ground we own. You've said plenty of times in the past we will not move forward without a stadium. So why confine us to l2/l1 for the next decade Erm, in a recent interview Darryl said that Water Eaton would be 2 to 3 years away. His words, not mine. Still wi why let facts get in the way of delusion? As for the academy being opposite, I went off to look at that. Total non-starter. SODC have made an irrevocable commitment to their local (Tory) voters not to allow any development of any kind in between Grenoble Road and the Baldons. The City Council tries to fly a kite on that one from time to time, as they own the land, but if anything is a 10 year project then it's persuading SODC that losing a council ward is worth it for OUFC's sake. Honestly, I don't know where you're getting your stuff from, but on almost every area you're so far wide of the mark that it's slightly scary.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 2, 2016 15:15:31 GMT
I understand all that, and it is dream scenario. But it's already been said water eaton is minimum 10years away and that's if planning is even granted there. Are u saying we can't move forward at our current ground as there are plenty of examples of how that is rubbish. Bournemouth ? If we own the stadium have all the revenue coming in from that and have a training/academy complex opposite ( which will bring more parking ) then we are way ahead of plenty of l1 and championship clubs. If it's what daryl and Stuart think is best to do, and they have both been pretty clear that it is, then that's fine by me. Very easy to spend someone else's money Charlie. Plus there is always the option then of once we own the kassam and are moving forward on a much better financial footing that we can start looking at water eaton, knowing we own a plot of land that could be possibly built on for housing to fund a move. Rather than waiting 10year before we start making money from a ground we own. You've said plenty of times in the past we will not move forward without a stadium. So why confine us to l2/l1 for the next decade Erm, in a recent interview Darryl said that Water Eaton would be 2 to 3 years away. His words, not mine. Still wi why let facts get in the way of delusion? As for the academy being opposite, I went off to look at that. Total non-starter. SODC have made an irrevocable commitment to their local (Tory) voters not to allow any development of any kind in between Grenoble Road and the Baldons. The City Council tries to fly a kite on that one from time to time, as they own the land, but if anything is a 10 year project then it's persuading SODC that losing a council ward is worth it for OUFC's sake. Honestly, I don't know where you're getting your stuff from, but on almost every area you're so far wide of the mark that it's slightly scary. Well obviously ur a lot closer to the club. How is roofe 4K a week info going, don't know where u got that from , slightly scary. Again all I know about the land opposite is what's been released from the club! Where has de said we will be 2-3 years away? I've seen him say that about a training ground . U honestly think we could be playing there in under 3 years when drawings let alone planning applications haven't even started ! And the council there have said no exactly the same as sodc have ! Still lucky ur never wrong. Mickey Adams is doing a great job with us this season , oh no wait that never happened either. Seeing as everything the club is trying to do is not to ur liking maybe u would be happier teaming back up with mr Thomas.
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Post by scotchegg on Jan 2, 2016 19:12:24 GMT
Oh sh!t.... Charlie's back!!!!
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Post by Mark Sennett on Jan 2, 2016 21:19:04 GMT
Not sure this is the right thread to talk about attendances stadia etc but I will chip in as This a subject close to my heart and something I've spent too many hours working on to count!
The potential for our fanbase is phenomenal in fact we are one of only 16 clubs in England that the hierarchy at Wembley that believe will sell out 30k+ allocations at Wembley. We have no premier club within 50 miles of any border and our fanbase is pretty much identical to Brighton in terms that we are a county based fanbase rather than cut based.
The populations, average age and number of students for Brighton and oxford are near on identical and since BHA moved to a stadia by a rail station it's been transformational and in fact can't their board by sunrise when you ask them.
If oxford was to move to a stadia attached to a rail station, park and ride and widespread parking with easy access to the city centre it would revolutionise the match day experience, attendances and commercial opportunities.
The amount of research that I've done on This as has Charlie analysed the percentage of our fan base that is city based and county based and compared it to other clubs. It all pointed to one thing the club has real potential to pull in decent crowds if it is in the top two divisions.
One thing Brighton did was include free travel on public transport as part of season tickets and this was a HUGE success.
Another area Charlie touches on is the limitations of the Kassam stadium. Let's assume we could buy it at a fair price (and considering conversations I've had with Kassam including recently) this if at all possible would necessitate residential housing being built on or around the stadium. It's currently hellish to get in and out of the stadium with a 6k crowd so how would this not be an even bigger problem with double the gate and less parking?
I went to the Boxing Day game with family and arrived at 2pm. The quad bar was rammed and we had to give up on the idea of a drink. Our club currently suffers from the strangest of pre matchday customs where the car park is full of people drinking in their cars and not enjoying a drink at the ground. Even with the outside bar (when present) the quad bar and corporate hospitality only about 10% of a sell out game could be catered to drink before entering the stands and we all know how bad it can be queuing in the concourses so thus more than 80% of the punters won't bother to spend cash on refreshments. It's so counter productive to a good day out.
The point being even in the unlikely event a financially sensible (for OUFC) deal to acquire the Kassam could be struck then it still has huge limitations in terms of access/congestion and drink/refreshments
I think the thing that people overlook is that when the Lenagans tasked Charlie and OxVox to look at stadia options nobody said water eaton is the answer make it happen. We looked at several sites including the Kassam and it was the head of the county council that came up with the idea of water eaton. It was left field and led to extensive due diligence of our fan base, potential fanbase, comparable clubs, areas that influence growth and spend.
Long story long in my view based on this research OUFC has great potential for decent crowds but the current stadium doesn't necessarily help with this. Anyway we should be proud that e have great fans and great potential let's hope we are on our way to realising it...oh and the subject of this thread, Mr Roofe, certainly helped on that front today!
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Post by Long John Silver on Jan 2, 2016 21:34:39 GMT
Does DE agree with yourself and Charlie on all the ground issues and limitations... And is therefore actively looking at the WE alternative?
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 2, 2016 21:35:28 GMT
This is not a dig just straight forward questions
Is all the information in darryls possession now?
Does it still not benefit us to own the kassam, even if it's short term to then be sold as an asset to find a new ground?
With a new train station opening soon near the stadium, and easy to implement things like a second exit to the car park, or more stewarding directing traffic. As well as additional parking at science park possible. Is it not possible to improve vastly the kassam.
WE is close to the train station but anyone going into or out of Kidlington at rush hour knows that it bungs up around there, why would that be any different on a matchday. Where ever u have 20k it's going to take a while to get out of the car park. I sat at the o2 for two hours before
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jan 2, 2016 21:37:57 GMT
Does DE agree with yourself and Charlie on all the ground issues and limitations... And is therefore actively looking at the WE alternative? Something was mooted with DE/MA a while back but they are looking at the Kastad especially if the training ground comes off
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jan 2, 2016 22:08:44 GMT
Lenagans tried to introduce public transport with the coaches but they gave up on it. Fares were exoensive.
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Post by londonroader on Jan 2, 2016 22:35:05 GMT
Not sure this is the right thread to talk about attendances stadia etc but I will chip in as This a subject close to my heart and something I've spent too many hours working on to count! The potential for our fanbase is phenomenal in fact we are one of only 16 clubs in England that the hierarchy at Wembley that believe will sell out 30k+ allocations at Wembley. We have no premier club within 50 miles of any border and our fanbase is pretty much identical to Brighton in terms that we are a county based fanbase rather than cut based. The populations, average age and number of students for Brighton and oxford are near on identical and since BHA moved to a stadia by a rail station it's been transformational and in fact can't their board by sunrise when you ask them. If oxford was to move to a stadia attached to a rail station, park and ride and widespread parking with easy access to the city centre it would revolutionise the match day experience, attendances and commercial opportunities. The amount of research that I've done on This as has Charlie analysed the percentage of our fan base that is city based and county based and compared it to other clubs. It all pointed to one thing the club has real potential to pull in decent crowds if it is in the top two divisions. One thing Brighton did was include free travel on public transport as part of season tickets and this was a HUGE success. Another area Charlie touches on is the limitations of the Kassam stadium. Let's assume we could buy it at a fair price (and considering conversations I've had with Kassam including recently) this if at all possible would necessitate residential housing being built on or around the stadium. It's currently hellish to get in and out of the stadium with a 6k crowd so how would this not be an even bigger problem with double the gate and less parking? I went to the Boxing Day game with family and arrived at 2pm. The quad bar was rammed and we had to give up on the idea of a drink. Our club currently suffers from the strangest of pre matchday customs where the car park is full of people drinking in their cars and not enjoying a drink at the ground. Even with the outside bar (when present) the quad bar and corporate hospitality only about 10% of a sell out game could be catered to drink before entering the stands and we all know how bad it can be queuing in the concourses so thus more than 80% of the punters won't bother to spend cash on refreshments. It's so counter productive to a good day out. The point being even in the unlikely event a financially sensible (for OUFC) deal to acquire the Kassam could be struck then it still has huge limitations in terms of access/congestion and drink/refreshments I think the thing that people overlook is that when the Lenagans tasked Charlie and OxVox to look at stadia options nobody said water eaton is the answer make it happen. We looked at several sites including the Kassam and it was the head of the county council that came up with the idea of water eaton. It was left field and led to extensive due diligence of our fan base, potential fanbase, comparable clubs, areas that influence growth and spend. Long story long in my view based on this research OUFC has great potential for decent crowds but the current stadium doesn't necessarily help with this. Anyway we should be proud that e have great fans and great potential let's hope we are on our way to realising it...oh and the subject of this thread, Mr Roofe, certainly helped on that front today! Can you run along with your boyfriend and stand in the corner, isn't anyone listening to you at the club? So again you try and wage a campaign on the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 22:49:17 GMT
Come on peeps, less insults. I find what Mark and Charlie have to say about the stadium interesting. Just because it's not necessarily what people agree with doesn't mean they should be mocked.
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Post by scotchegg on Jan 2, 2016 23:12:01 GMT
Come on peeps, less insults. I find what Mark and Charlie have to say about the stadium interesting. Just because it's not necessarily what people agree with doesn't mean they should be mocked. It is the condescending way in which they treat other fans that annoys me. The reality is that we have a man running our club better than anyone has in generations and I will trust him to take the club forward. DE has been made aware of the WE project and still sees our immediate future at the Kassam. So why do Charlie and Mark feel it necessary to mock those who view our future in the same way as our Chairman? I have no doubt that both worked hard on the WE project, which is probably why they find it hard to let go. But the question I asked a year ago remains unanswered. If DE is an astute business man with the future of Oxford United at heart (and both appear to be the case) why is he not pursuing WE if it is so perfect?
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Post by charliesghost on Jan 3, 2016 2:47:48 GMT
Come on peeps, less insults. I find what Mark and Charlie have to say about the stadium interesting. Just because it's not necessarily what people agree with doesn't mean they should be mocked. Being mocked by a well-attested moron and trouble-maker is no burden. Independence of thought is valued by some, including many who disagree with me and others on many things. But lobotomy boy - if boy is the right word for a man of his many years - isn't much of a one for thinking. No part of his life has demanded it.
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Post by scotchegg on Jan 3, 2016 9:33:56 GMT
Come on peeps, less insults. I find what Mark and Charlie have to say about the stadium interesting. Just because it's not necessarily what people agree with doesn't mean they should be mocked. Being mocked by a well-attested moron and trouble-maker is no burden. Independence of thought is valued by some, including many who disagree with me and others on many things. But lobotomy boy - if boy is the right word for a man of his many years - isn't much of a one for thinking. No part of his life has demanded it. As a PR and marketing man it is surprising how many people you appear to alienate when you don't get your way. You put together a project for Water Eaton but IL moved on before it could be taken forward. DE has looked at everything produced but appears to favour the Kassam (at least for the immediate future). You have then described posters as hilariously ignorant and labotomy boys because they disagree with you. How would you describe DE? Is he also ignorant or an idiot?
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Post by Mark Sennett on Jan 3, 2016 9:41:45 GMT
Come on peeps, less insults. I find what Mark and Charlie have to say about the stadium interesting. Just because it's not necessarily what people agree with doesn't mean they should be mocked. It is the condescending way in which they treat other fans that annoys me. The reality is that we have a man running our club better than anyone has in generations and I will trust him to take the club forward. DE has been made aware of the WE project and still sees our immediate future at the Kassam. So why do Charlie and Mark feel it necessary to mock those who view our future in the same way as our Chairman? I have no doubt that both worked hard on the WE project, which is probably why they find it hard to let go. But the question I asked a year ago remains unanswered. If DE is an astute business man with the future of Oxford United at heart (and both appear to be the case) why is he not pursuing WE if it is so perfect? Where have I been condescending towards others in my reply. I've simply shared finding and opinions of somethings I've spent a lot of time working on. To answer the question yes the club has this information and has a different view on stadia than myself. That's their decision but none of the above is posted as an attack it's listed as a point of view in response to other posts. This is pretty much why I've stopped posting on here you can't have sensible debate without being accused of having agendas or personal attacks. Everyone is entitled to opinions for example I can see why the penalty was given yesterday and Carroll should have been send of for pretty much head butting the ref others strongly disagree. It's an opinion for heavens sake we all wan the same thing OUFC promoted and owning a stadium under the right terms!!!
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 3, 2016 9:46:34 GMT
I think that's understandable mark, and what also we all want. Charlie comes across that he wouldnt be happy if we owned our own stadium, if it's not the one he wants. Then criticises and belittles people who haven't got the info for suggesting things. I've never said I know as much about it as either of u, why would I? Like u said everyone is entitled to an opinion, that works two ways.
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Post by scotchegg on Jan 3, 2016 9:50:23 GMT
It is the condescending way in which they treat other fans that annoys me. The reality is that we have a man running our club better than anyone has in generations and I will trust him to take the club forward. DE has been made aware of the WE project and still sees our immediate future at the Kassam. So why do Charlie and Mark feel it necessary to mock those who view our future in the same way as our Chairman? I have no doubt that both worked hard on the WE project, which is probably why they find it hard to let go. But the question I asked a year ago remains unanswered. If DE is an astute business man with the future of Oxford United at heart (and both appear to be the case) why is he not pursuing WE if it is so perfect? Where have I been condescending towards others in my reply. I've simply shared finding and opinions of somethings I've spent a lot of time working on. To answer the question yes the club has this information and has a different view on stadia than myself. That's their decision but none of the above is posted as an attack it's listed as a point of view in response to other posts. This is pretty much why I've stopped posting on here you can't have sensible debate without being accused of having agendas or personal attacks. Everyone is entitled to opinions for example I can see why the penalty was given yesterday and Carroll should have been send of for pretty much head butting the ref others strongly disagree. It's an opinion for heavens sake we all wan the same thing OUFC promoted and owning a stadium under the right terms!!! The condescending accusation was aimed at Charlie so I apologise for including you with that. It is just frustrating that an issue that is potentially as divisive as this is being dragged back up at a time when we are seeing more success on and off the pitch than we have in years.
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Post by Mark Sennett on Jan 3, 2016 9:50:40 GMT
And nowhere in my post have I criticised anyone's view!
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Post by Mark Sennett on Jan 3, 2016 9:54:11 GMT
Where have I been condescending towards others in my reply. I've simply shared finding and opinions of somethings I've spent a lot of time working on. To answer the question yes the club has this information and has a different view on stadia than myself. That's their decision but none of the above is posted as an attack it's listed as a point of view in response to other posts. This is pretty much why I've stopped posting on here you can't have sensible debate without being accused of having agendas or personal attacks. Everyone is entitled to opinions for example I can see why the penalty was given yesterday and Carroll should have been send of for pretty much head butting the ref others strongly disagree. It's an opinion for heavens sake we all wan the same thing OUFC promoted and owning a stadium under the right terms!!! The condescending accusation was aimed at Charlie so I apologise for including you with that. It is just frustrating that an issue that is potentially as divisive as this is being dragged back up at a time when we are seeing more success on and off the pitch than we have in years. I appreciate that. I can understand your frustration. From my view I'm desperate for our club to be promoted the problem I have is having for years seen the inside running of the club it's hard for Me to simply see it as a football game I always have one eye on the business side. One constant remains throughout our time at the Kassam we need a stadium to move towards being a breakeven business that's sustainable in higher leagues so will celebrate all promotions and at the same time pray for the day that we can own a ground under the right terms so we can unlock the massive potential this club has!
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 3, 2016 9:54:15 GMT
And nowhere in my post have I criticised anyone's view! That's clear and also U haven't turned to personal insults. From an ex supporters trust and fan point of view, and leaving aside WE for a min. What is ur view on the kassam, is it still a totally workable long term plan, if not a dream ticket. ?
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Post by zakstratton on Jan 3, 2016 9:56:05 GMT
I do see why Mark feels so strongly about location and stadia issues, many would agree with me I think in saying our stadium doesn't feel like home. It's very hard to generate an atmosphere without say a 9K+ crowd, so therefore I can see why it's hard to let the issue go. That said we have to be realistic and realise we're a league two club that hasn't played any higher for years now. Building a new stadium would be a massive risk financially. Because of the league we're in (one league away from the conference) you'd be crazy to invest millions into a new stadium project. Anything can happen in football.. I think DE is being sensible as the stadium can be bought, then sold on if were progressing up the leagues and there is more of a case for a new stadium. But While we're in this league it's not a massive issue at the moment..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 9:57:05 GMT
Mark and Charlie. Please continue posting as the vast majority of the supporters find your comments not only informative and interesting but useful in terms of what we might expect for OUFC in the future. I am sure your objectives at least for the club are akin to what everyone wants on here. I don't think the Kassam stadium will have a long term future but we have to work with what we have at least for now. Those investors at the club are putting their own money in for the future of the club. Yes, we have had bad eggs in the past, but the current owners have put s lot of time and effort in for which everyone on here is thankful for. The fans are returning and are gradually being sold into the project. Swansea on Sunday will see another opportunity for a full house, more investment and another step towards returning the club to the levels they were at many years ago. We at last have a team that is delivering good football with good footballers. At least we have players that are talked about as being worth money than a lot of loan players or 35 year olds at the end of their careers. We have the likes of Roofe, Sercombe, Lundstram and Buchel. Callum is a local lad doing well, and there are more. At last we have a club going forward and I for one am grateful there is a future that is promising rather than one that was uncertain only two years ago
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Post by East Challow Yellow on Jan 3, 2016 9:57:07 GMT
It is the condescending way in which they treat other fans that annoys me. The reality is that we have a man running our club better than anyone has in generations and I will trust him to take the club forward. DE has been made aware of the WE project and still sees our immediate future at the Kassam. So why do Charlie and Mark feel it necessary to mock those who view our future in the same way as our Chairman? I have no doubt that both worked hard on the WE project, which is probably why they find it hard to let go. But the question I asked a year ago remains unanswered. If DE is an astute business man with the future of Oxford United at heart (and both appear to be the case) why is he not pursuing WE if it is so perfect? Where have I been condescending towards others in my reply. I've simply shared finding and opinions of somethings I've spent a lot of time working on. To answer the question yes the club has this information and has a different view on stadia than myself. That's their decision but none of the above is posted as an attack it's listed as a point of view in response to other posts. This is pretty much why I've stopped posting on here you can't have sensible debate without being accused of having agendas or personal attacks. Everyone is entitled to opinions for example I can see why the penalty was given yesterday and Carroll should have been send of for pretty much head butting the ref others strongly disagree. It's an opinion for heavens sake we all wan the same thing OUFC promoted and owning a stadium under the right terms!!! For what its worth, I enjoy reading Mark, Charlie et all's posts. They are most certainly associated with the club in a closer guise than me and so any sound bites that they choose to share is greatly received by me. I'd much rather read through posts from people that have gone to great lengths to research the possibilities of betterment for our club. Instead of a lot of the crap that gets posted by serial posters who seem to just enjoy having their voice heard without adding value to the debate. FWIW, based on the limited information I've read, i happen to think that the WE project represents a great opportunity for us to have a lifetime home that is accessible, offers the opportunity for growth and ticks a lot more boxes than the Kassam Stadium. That said, as our chairman, I'm confident DE will do the relevant due diligence to ensure the best decisions are taken for OUFC.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 3, 2016 10:00:06 GMT
The pro and cons
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jan 3, 2016 10:04:26 GMT
Well I think Kemar Roofe has been an outstanding signing for us.
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Post by billyox on Jan 3, 2016 10:05:29 GMT
Hopefully we can keep hold of him past February 2nd
Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 3, 2016 10:06:05 GMT
Haha , that would work I suppose
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 10:12:39 GMT
I agree Pete, and think we should sign a partner for Kemar
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Post by stokeu on Jan 3, 2016 10:15:30 GMT
. It's very hard to generate an atmosphere without say a 9K+ crowd, so therefore I can see why it's hard to let the issue go. I'm not sure you're right, take that 1350 and put them in the North Stand....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 10:20:18 GMT
I can't wait to pull this thread up in 9 months and laugh at all these posts when he turns out crap.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jan 3, 2016 10:26:41 GMT
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