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Post by bazzer9461 on Jun 19, 2014 20:52:16 GMT
Were shite simple.
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jun 19, 2014 20:53:14 GMT
Ah well back to the soaps....Some consolation
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jun 19, 2014 20:56:27 GMT
Will the FA permit he new England manager to look at other clubs for English players all this hype 5 Liverpool players in the starting line up Gerrard and Johnson shite and should never play again and tell Raheem to pass sooner.
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Post by sox on Jun 19, 2014 20:57:21 GMT
Right result. No excuses. Shite. Rooney, Gerard offered little ... Along with the kids. A guy receiving from a knee injury offered so much more.
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Post by bicesteryellow on Jun 19, 2014 20:57:23 GMT
Gerrard was poor tonight. Suárez was excellent. Rooney was good, but as a team England were too defensive, and one more a bit naïve tactically
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 19, 2014 21:02:14 GMT
Where our passing was crisp against Italy it was ponderous and laboured tonight. When we played with tempo, Uruguay struggled but it was so infrequent that it merely highlighted the issue even more. I was half wondering if OUFC were at the WC instead of England because I saw plenty of those games over the past few years.
But. We know Sturridge is international class. We know Sterling can hack it at the top level. We know that Johnson, Baines and Jagielka are keeping the seat warm for someone younger.
It's disappointing but hardly unexpected. The saddest thing is we've not made the opposition work hard enough.
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Post by unification on Jun 19, 2014 21:10:08 GMT
Where our passing was crisp against Italy it was ponderous and laboured tonight. When we played with tempo, Uruguay struggled but it was so infrequent that it merely highlighted the issue even more. I was half wondering if OUFC were at the WC instead of England because I saw plenty of those games over the past few years. But. We know Sturridge is international class. We know Sterling can hack it at the top level. We know that Johnson, Baines and Jagielka are keeping the seat warm for someone younger. It's disappointing but hardly unexpected. The saddest thing is we've not made the opposition work hard enough. That's a nice summary, GB, and a fair one. I think another feature was that England just weren't ponderous in possession, but Uruguay closed down quickly too. I think that tackle on Johnson summed it up - Johnson was happy to let the ball run for a throw in (something else England struggled to deal with), but an opposition defender charged it, and sent the ball down the line. I just hope the reaction from the press isn't against Hodgson. He's been brave to blood the kids (a number who have won junior honours with England) at this World Cup, yet has been undone by an ageing pro in Pirlo for Italy and possibly the most dangerous striker on the planet right now in Suarez for Uruguay. I can see what he's trying to build with England. A team which can flow and every element fits with the rest, rather than throwing the eleven 'best' players and hoping that they work together. It's a good approach to have and one to persist with.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jun 19, 2014 21:11:23 GMT
It was nowhere near quick enough. One of the advantages we supposedly had was the pace of the younger players - but we saw very little of that tonight. Rooney spent too much time out wide - a position he supposedly doesn't like and wasn't playing tonight. Gerrard looks like he's had it and the defence? Terrible. Uruguay had three chances in the first ten minutes of the second half to kill the game. Perhaps four years time will be better when the current crop of youngsters are in their prime. That's it. I can now forget about England and start worrying about Farnborough away!
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Post by Junior on Jun 19, 2014 21:15:26 GMT
3/4 of our defence are not up to it. Cahill being the expecting. He's 34 but Ashley Cole is our best Left back. Let's hope Shaw can be the next first choice.
Gerrard, I've said it for months. Slows it all down, is ponderous. Is a liability. Tonight showed it all up. Should never play for England again. Along with Henderson I must add.
Sterling played well but lacked options. A plus and a important player. Irving forward. Welbeck and Rooney ( judge honestly ) were our best attacking players. Sturridge has a part to play but needs to lift his head a lot lot more.
Hart? Well for me he needs to stand bigger on the second goal and boss his defence a lot more.
It's not as bad as people make out. Moving forward in optimistic.
Time for a pint!
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Post by bazzer9461 on Jun 19, 2014 21:18:24 GMT
It was nowhere near quick enough. One of the advantages we supposedly had was the pace of the younger players - but we saw very little of that tonight. Rooney spent too much time out wide - a position he supposedly doesn't like and wasn't playing tonight. Gerrard looks like he's had it and the defence? Terrible. Uruguay had three chances in the first ten minutes of the second half to kill the game. Perhaps four years time will be better when the current crop of youngsters are in their prime. That's it. I can now forget about England and start worrying about Farnborough away! Also the problem with Rooney in tonights game Sturridge and Sterling had a free role swapping positions and colliding or getting n the way of Rooney when there could have been a decent shot.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 19, 2014 21:20:27 GMT
Uruguay were up for it, it's not for nothing they won the South America version of the Euro against Brasil, Argentina and Chile etc.
Not a bad performance from England, against a team with class and very savvy. I hope Woy gets another 2 years to replace Rooney, Gerrard, Johnson and find a decent centre-back pair.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 19, 2014 21:24:56 GMT
I think we'll be a better team at the Euros in 2016. There were glimpses of class today, but it was so infrequent that it made it frustrating. Players such as Barkley and Sterling, if managed right, will be big players for us going forward. The media will want their pound of flesh, but it's not all doom and gloom.
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Post by Junior on Jun 19, 2014 21:27:36 GMT
Uruguay were up for it, it's not for nothing they won the South America version of the Euro against Brasil, Argentina and Chile etc. Not a bad performance from England, against a team with class and very savvy. I hope Woy gets another 2 years to replace Rooney, Gerrard, Johnson and find a decent centre-back pair. Why replace your top scorer in qualifying and the bloke who's scored 1 and assisted 1 in this World Cup?
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Post by john47 on Jun 19, 2014 21:28:06 GMT
They should be sat down and made to watch the earlier game. Ivory Coast were class and should have beat Columbia. They played for their country with pride. Interesting that the two countries with the so called top league ie La Lega and the Premiership cannot produce the goods when needed.
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Post by bicesteryellow on Jun 19, 2014 21:31:45 GMT
Against Costa Rica, England should line up like this
Hart Johnson Cahill Jagielka Shaw Wilshere Henderson Sterling Rooney Lallana Sturridge
Gerrard was lacking tonight, and Lallana made a difference when he came on. I want to give Shaw a taste, and let him know what international football is.
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Post by oxfordyid on Jun 19, 2014 21:37:06 GMT
I'm gutted after that, such a shame to be so in impressive after the Italy performance
I actually thought Cahill had a good game, and even though the second was sloppy, the first was just class from cavani
Sterling was poor tonight but apparently he's not trained all week
Still enthusiastic moving forward.. I'd like to see the ox step up into the gerrard role now, he was a class act in that role for bayern and Wiltshire just doesn't look upto it atm even though he does have bags of potential
The back 4 still worries me, our lack of any strength in depth was highlighted in the pre-tourno friendliest and although I think shaw's the real deal, and i rate Cahill, I think we're going to look shakey at the back even into 2016.
2 players I'm intrigued by next season are stones and trippier.. Will be interesting to see how they develop with a full year of prem football under their belts
On the bright side I'd expect the Italians to win both their games and we should beat Costa Rica so we could still be in with a shout.....
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Post by Junior on Jun 19, 2014 21:40:57 GMT
Stones won't be first choice, either at fullback or centre half. Think Coleman, Distan & Jagielka.
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Post by tonyw on Jun 19, 2014 21:43:52 GMT
On the bright side I'd expect the Italians to win both their games and we should beat Costa Rica so we could still be in with a shout..... I wouldn't We'll still have a shot against Costa Rica - but Italy vs. Uruguay with the Italians having nothing to play for? The Azzuri giving us the help we need seems very, very unlikely. (and then Colombia are significantly better than Uruguay anyway!)
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Post by huggett on Jun 19, 2014 21:43:57 GMT
3/4 of our defence are not up to it. Cahill being the expecting. He's 34 but Ashley Cole is our best Left back. Let's hope Shaw can be the next first choice. Gerrard, I've said it for months. Slows it all down, is ponderous. Is a liability. Tonight showed it all up. Should never play for England again. Along with Henderson I must add. Sterling played well but lacked options. A plus and a important player. Irving forward. Welbeck and Rooney ( judge honestly ) were our best attacking players. Sturridge has a part to play but needs to lift his head a lot lot more. Hart? Well for me he needs to stand bigger on the second goal and boss his defence a lot more. It's not as bad as people make out. Moving forward in optimistic. Time for a pint! Am gonna guess ur bed covers aren't LFC!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 19, 2014 21:44:27 GMT
Why replace your top scorer in qualifying and the bloke who's scored 1 and assisted 1 in this World Cup? Because he's a flat-track bully, because he's the past, because if England ever want to win anything they have to play as a team.
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Post by East Challow Yellow on Jun 19, 2014 21:47:16 GMT
Absolutely gutted!
Cahill aside, the defence is as bad as I remember from an England side.
Steven Gerrard's race is run for England, it's time for him to stand aside.
Sterling and Berkley are still very very raw at this level and are nowhere near the finished article.
Rooney wasn't bad tonight and showed some flashes of excellence second half. Sturridge didn't have a good game.
We will continue to struggle at these tournament until the F.A recognise that our young players in age groups from u17 - u21 need tournament experience in their respective age groups.
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Post by mcf86 on Jun 19, 2014 21:47:47 GMT
An embarrassment, just like the Eurovision song contest.
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Post by horseman on Jun 19, 2014 21:52:40 GMT
Uruguay were up for it, it's not for nothing they won the South America version of the Euro against Brasil, Argentina and Chile etc. Not a bad performance from England, against a team with class and very savvy. I hope Woy gets another 2 years to replace Rooney, Gerrard, Johnson and find a decent centre-back pair. Why replace your top scorer in qualifying and the bloke who's scored 1 and assisted 1 in this World Cup? Because he is not and never will be world class despite all the hype.....he missed 2 absolute sitters in 2 games.....his control and passing is woeful.
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Post by Junior on Jun 19, 2014 21:56:55 GMT
His stats at club level suggest otherwise. His international record is decent. World Cup not so great.
1 goal and 1 assist in two games. If that's a problem player then England have very few worries moving forward.
What's your thoughts on Gerrard? On Johnson? On Baines?
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Post by nige01ox on Jun 19, 2014 22:04:00 GMT
His stats at club level suggest otherwise. His international record is decent. World Cup not so great. 1 goal and 1 assist in two games. If that's a problem player then England have very few worries moving forward. What's your thoughts on Gerrard? On Johnson? On Baines? Awful. I'd get rid of Gerrard & Rooney, plus 3/4 of the back 4.
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Post by londonroader on Jun 19, 2014 22:08:16 GMT
I think one of England biggest flaws is the squad’s lack of playing abroad, we hardly have any players getting experience from playing in other countries, almost all the other teams have players playing in teams abroad and getting invaluable experience.
The players in our squad play mostly for teams who have a lot of foreign players in, and it is those foreign player who make those teams work best, we lack the experience and nous to complete against these better players.
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Post by Si Bradbury on Jun 19, 2014 22:08:22 GMT
3/4 of our defence are not up to it. Cahill being the expecting. He's 34 but Ashley Cole is our best Left back. Let's hope Shaw can be the next first choice. Gerrard, I've said it for months. Slows it all down, is ponderous. Is a liability. Tonight showed it all up. Should never play for England again. Along with Henderson I must add. Sterling played well but lacked options. A plus and a important player. Irving forward. Welbeck and Rooney ( judge honestly ) were our best attacking players. Sturridge has a part to play but needs to lift his head a lot lot more. Hart? Well for me he needs to stand bigger on the second goal and boss his defence a lot more. It's not as bad as people make out. Moving forward in optimistic. Time for a pint! Pretty decent overview. I think Gerrard will now call it a day. Rooney has been getting this bizarre battering for months. He was one of our better players tonight and actually started to fight for the ball and show far more passion than some. Sterling is key, yet he was replaced by Hodgson. Barkley is such a wonderful talent and Sturridge and Lallana are going to be mainstays for England moving forward. Hart has no competition at all and yes he should have done so much better for the second Suarez goal and was at equal fault for Ballotelli's winner. Gary Cahill is our stand out defender. Luke Shaw, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Townsend should start to look to make the step-up. Our defence in general is awful. As for Hodgson, been happy with him for 2 years and credit for brining the kids - perhaps a little reluctantly I might add but tonight he was as culpable as some of our poor performers on the pitch.
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Post by jimmycarterxi on Jun 19, 2014 22:16:07 GMT
Should have taken Ashley Cole, proven himself in every international tournament, never ever let England down, other than that I don't think Hodgson could have picked a better squad with players availible
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Post by horseman on Jun 19, 2014 22:21:23 GMT
His international record is decent? don't make me laugh, he might do it against the likes of Moldova etc but he never has done it when it matters at tournaments...he has missed 2 absolute sitters and been shown for what he really is Average.
Gerrard has done what he was asked to do....Johnson is not a defender, he's far better going forward even Liverpool fans know this....Baines has been left too exposed by lack of cover from your wonder boy and welbeck against Italy, he is no Ashley Cole defensively but far better attacking wise.
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Post by Junior on Jun 19, 2014 22:25:30 GMT
Rooney was up top and welbeck subbed for the second goal. The first came from the middle then the right. Gerrard missed a key tackle in midfield then Johnson decided he'd allow Cavani all the time and space he reauired to cross for Suarez.
Gerrard done what he needed to do? Are city you about his Liverpool performances? As the assist tonight was better suited to Anfield than São Paulo.
What's he done for England this World Cup?
Rooney had one shot well saved by the keeper and one against the bar when he was at his maximum jumping height.
Add to assist and goal he's played his part. 40 goals now in 94 games for England. Not to be sniffed at.
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