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Post by flean on Feb 7, 2011 21:44:57 GMT
Honest question... do you think had Cameron been in power in 2001 and 2003, he wouldn't have joined Bush in the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq? It's a moot point So let's not give the impression that Cameron is the Great British saviour.. FollowtheOx... i'm not a right wing bigot, so the Daily Mail is the last place i'd read the news.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 7, 2011 21:47:07 GMT
Why on earth did you post that link? And I can't believe that i've been on the Daily Mail website now Because this is what this country is coming to,makes me sad that stuff like this is wrong,they are living in OUR country an should respect our things,if we was in there country we would have to there's Simples... But the point of your story is that it is the teacher and not the children who removed the books. So i am not clear what they are not respecting?
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Post by flean on Feb 7, 2011 21:48:50 GMT
"Headteacher Barbara Harris said the books remained in the school library for children to read."
However, the Daily Mail uses the headline "ban".
And the most worrying thing is that this 'journalism' has a big influence on a lot of the population of the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 21:49:08 GMT
Why on earth did you post that link? And I can't believe that i've been on the Daily Mail website now Because this is what this country is coming to,makes me sad that stuff like this is wrong,they are living in OUR country an should respect our things,if we was in there country we would have to there's Simples... But THEY didn't do anything! The head did. If you highlighting morons in British society then you could just pick any story on the Mail's website and look at the comments.
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 7, 2011 21:50:39 GMT
So let's not give the impression that Cameron is the Great British saviour.. FollowtheOx... i'm not a right wing bigot, so the Daily Mail is the last place i'd read the news. Neither am i which is why i read it from time to time! I think it is imperative to know what your criticising which is i would encourage everybody to read it!
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Post by flean on Feb 7, 2011 21:52:24 GMT
So let's not give the impression that Cameron is the Great British saviour.. FollowtheOx... i'm not a right wing bigot, so the Daily Mail is the last place i'd read the news. Neither am i which is why i read it from time to time! I think it is imperative to know what your criticising which is i would encourage everybody to read it! Fairy nuff, good point. Sadly, a colleague of mine (who should know better as we're both expats living in Germany), takes the Mail as gospel, so I have to listen to his daily rants about immigrants ruining the country.
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 7, 2011 22:11:35 GMT
Islam in its 7th century barbaric form is evil. 3,000 people died on 9/11 in the name of islam, 52 people died in our country in 2005 in the name of islam. The Koran has some very evil teachings in it, the book all muslims follow. People are dying all over the world because of the teachings of Islam. Ive not just jumped on the EDL bandwagon for nothing, ive done a lot of research and made up my own mind. There is a huge problem within islam, and its not being addressed. A good video to learn more is this one. All tthe things mentioned in this video can be found by yourself by searching the internet and researching islam. www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUYI had a good look at that video, in the hope I might be enlightened a bit, but I ain't being funny or anything, but do you seriously believe what is said in that video? That Arabic is some sort of secret code understood only by the followers of Islam (of which there are over a billion). Surely someone would have rumbled this by now, and it would be widespread knowledge? It looks like a piece of anti-Islamic propaganda to me. Don't get me wrong I support the ideas behind the EDL - We do need to challange Islamic extremism in this country - we can't keep pretending that being politically correct all the time will spare us because it won't. David Cameron's speech the other day pretty much called it right. However where I disagree with the EDL is that it does come across as quite anarchic, and some are simply spoiling for a fight. They are shooting themselves in the foot, much like the UAF.
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Post by Belgian Yellow on Feb 7, 2011 22:28:16 GMT
I seem to remember that being in the bible as well. If people wanted to argue for a better, more humane and tolerant society, then I'd have more sympathy. But you'll find most of the EDL, BNP, UKIP and co actually favour hang and flog 'em policies. I think you have a vivid imagination if you really believe that. I know a lot of UKIP supporters and am one myself. Not many I know go along with hanging but I am sure that there is still a good case that can be put to hang some of the evil terrorists that are living in this country. What evidence have you anyway to suggest that parties on the right have a mostly hang and flog them mentality. There are plenty in the Labour Party who favour capital punishment Hanging is official UKIP policy blog.ukipwatch.org/2005/11/ukip-show-support-for-death-penalty.html
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Post by followtheox (the original) on Feb 7, 2011 22:33:25 GMT
I seem to remember that being in the bible as well. If people wanted to argue for a better, more humane and tolerant society, then I'd have more sympathy. But you'll find most of the EDL, BNP, UKIP and co actually favour hang and flog 'em policies. I think you have a vivid imagination if you really believe that. I know a lot of UKIP supporters and am one myself. Not many I know go along with hanging but I am sure that there is still a good case that can be put to hang some of the evil terrorists that are living in this country. What evidence have you anyway to suggest that parties on the right have a mostly hang and flog them mentality. There are plenty in the Labour Party who favour capital punishment Hanging is official UKIP policy blog.ukipwatch.org/2005/11/ukip-show-support-for-death-penalty.htmlTo be fair it says nothing about hanging just that they support the death penalty which at least 50% of the uk do in most polls!
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Post by Paul Cannell on Feb 8, 2011 8:18:56 GMT
No neet to get up-tight, I meant the comment slightly in jest (I thought i'd covered my back with the winking smiley! ) I wonder how far your knowledge of such things extends and while I think you make valid points on some issues I think you are not treading carefully enough when making accusations of a lack of knowledge when you yourself are using highly emotive and politicised terms often associated with poorly informed axe-grinders. Oops, yeah a bit of an overreaction. It was the high horse that got me, since I was trying quite hard to be very reasonable.
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Post by moobs on Feb 8, 2011 9:40:17 GMT
So let's not give the impression that Cameron is the Great British saviour.. FollowtheOx... i'm not a right wing bigot, so the Daily Mail is the last place i'd read the news. I'm not saying that but you're alluding to the point that whoever was in charge at the time would have done the same thing as Bliar and i'm not sure I would agree on that. If Brown was in charge I don't think we would. He hated the fact we went to war and didn't form any real bond with Bush unlike Bliar who cosied up to him and was suckered into the whole American invasion. If you listen to Bliar even today he's still hungry for us to invade Iran but Cameron is dead against it, as far as the occupation of Afghanistan is concerned he just wants to get us the hell out of there and I don't see him cosying up to Barack Obama all the time either.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 8, 2011 13:39:30 GMT
So let's not give the impression that Cameron is the Great British saviour.. FollowtheOx... i'm not a right wing bigot, so the Daily Mail is the last place i'd read the news. I'm not saying that but you're alluding to the point that whoever was in charge at the time would have done the same thing as Bliar and i'm not sure I would agree on that. If Brown was in charge I don't think we would. He hated the fact we went to war and didn't form any real bond with Bush unlike Bliar who cosied up to him and was suckered into the whole American invasion. If you listen to Bliar even today he's still hungry for us to invade Iran but Cameron is dead against it, as far as the occupation of Afghanistan is concerned he just wants to get us the hell out of there and I don't see him cosying up to Barack Obama all the time either. Could those two things be somehow related? If we had not gone to war in Iraq in 2003 do you think Cameron would be more keen on military intervention in Iran now? It doesn't matter either way since Israel is going to force our hand on Iran. If and when Iran develops a nuclear weapon or shortly before I expect to see a unilateral Israeli strike on the country, possibly using nuclear weapons, and if the whole situation is not going to get fatally out of hand we are going to have to get involved.
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 8, 2011 14:32:13 GMT
I think this debate needs to change from peoples views of the EDL, because many dont agree with who the EDL are. But what we cant get away from, is that there is a big problem in this country, not just the threat of terrorism, but the way certain muslims behave and treat our country with disrespect. Not all muslims i know but a ever increasing number, who are being radicalised, maybe not to blow us up, but to hate everything Christian or British. Next week, channel 4 are putting out a documentary. It may just open a few peoples eyes www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-80/episode-1
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 8, 2011 14:33:38 GMT
Islam in its 7th century barbaric form is evil. 3,000 people died on 9/11 in the name of islam, 52 people died in our country in 2005 in the name of islam. The Koran has some very evil teachings in it, the book all muslims follow. People are dying all over the world because of the teachings of Islam. Ive not just jumped on the EDL bandwagon for nothing, ive done a lot of research and made up my own mind. There is a huge problem within islam, and its not being addressed. A good video to learn more is this one. All tthe things mentioned in this video can be found by yourself by searching the internet and researching islam. www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgsrnmzxEUYI had a good look at that video, in the hope I might be enlightened a bit, but I ain't being funny or anything, but do you seriously believe what is said in that video? That Arabic is some sort of secret code understood only by the followers of Islam (of which there are over a billion). Surely someone would have rumbled this by now, and it would be widespread knowledge? It looks like a piece of anti-Islamic propaganda to me. Don't get me wrong I support the ideas behind the EDL - We do need to challange Islamic extremism in this country - we can't keep pretending that being politically correct all the time will spare us because it won't. David Cameron's speech the other day pretty much called it right. However where I disagree with the EDL is that it does come across as quite anarchic, and some are simply spoiling for a fight. They are shooting themselves in the foot, much like the UAF. I thought the same when i first watched the video. So i did a lot of research, and pretty much everything said in that video can be found and proved to be true on the internet
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 8, 2011 14:47:04 GMT
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 8, 2011 14:57:45 GMT
The halal meat thing is another big issue. For a start, the way the animal is killed is said to be humane, and the animal doesnt suffer. But the truth is, they way they kill the animal, many times, the animal is left to bleed to death, and doesnt die straight away, resulting in serius suffering. The animal is given a special islamic prayer. Personally, id like to be given the choice of whether i eat it or not. But far to often, we dont know. All the major supermarkets sell halal meat. You may not be aware of this, and thats because they dont put it on the labal. Everyone on here who has eaten meat recently has eaten halal meat. Some may not care to much. But i think we should be given the choice, and we are not
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 8, 2011 15:04:48 GMT
It does make you wonder why these 17 colleges have done this when the majority of their students are not Muslim, and for that matter why supermarkets sell meat to non muslims that have had an islamic prayer and not told their customers. There is so many things even here in Oxford, why no Christmas lights on Cowley road? but the EID ones are up and kept up not just for Eid but all year round.
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Post by John Lennon on Feb 8, 2011 15:09:19 GMT
It does make you wonder why these 17 colleges have done this when the majority of their students are not Muslim, and for that matter why supermarkets sell meat to non muslims that have had an islamic prayer and not told their customers. There is so many things even here in Oxford, why no Christmas lights on Cowley road? but the EID ones are up and kept up not just for Eid but all year round. And this is why some people hate all muslims. Im not saying thats right, but the things that go on are disgraceful. This is meant to be England. While we accept and respect other faiths, it sometimes feels like we are being taken over, and losing our identity
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Post by Contact eaststandboy on Feb 8, 2011 15:16:00 GMT
So now they do not get the choice of meat. They are just given Halal meat... Imagne if they used normal meat and passed it off for Halal!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 15:33:59 GMT
So now they do not get the choice of meat. They are just given Halal meat... Imagne if they used normal meat and passed it off for Halal! But thats totally different. Anyone who eats meat when there is no information about it clearly doesn't care, so making it halal only is not deceiving anyone and everyone is happy. The only logical objection to halal is being anti-muslim. If you object on animal welfare grounds then you wouldn't be eating meat from an unspecified source anyway. And halal is likely to be better quality and more humanely treated anyway.
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 8, 2011 15:52:05 GMT
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Post by Contact eaststandboy on Feb 8, 2011 15:54:35 GMT
I dont want to eat Halal!! I assume that if i am not told otherwise, i am eating normal meat!
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 8, 2011 15:54:44 GMT
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Post by moobs on Feb 8, 2011 15:59:39 GMT
I'm not saying that but you're alluding to the point that whoever was in charge at the time would have done the same thing as Bliar and i'm not sure I would agree on that. If Brown was in charge I don't think we would. He hated the fact we went to war and didn't form any real bond with Bush unlike Bliar who cosied up to him and was suckered into the whole American invasion. If you listen to Bliar even today he's still hungry for us to invade Iran but Cameron is dead against it, as far as the occupation of Afghanistan is concerned he just wants to get us the hell out of there and I don't see him cosying up to Barack Obama all the time either. Could those two things be somehow related? If we had not gone to war in Iraq in 2003 do you think Cameron would be more keen on military intervention in Iran now? It doesn't matter either way since Israel is going to force our hand on Iran. If and when Iran develops a nuclear weapon or shortly before I expect to see a unilateral Israeli strike on the country, possibly using nuclear weapons, and if the whole situation is not going to get fatally out of hand we are going to have to get involved. If Israel have a beef with Iran and vice versa, let them get on with it. Let the Middle East sort itself out without intervention from the West, it's got nothing to do with us. They have been fighting for hundreds of years and we aint gonna stop that. Obviously the Americans will stick their oar in which only inflames the situation. Iranians don't want their country occupied and blown to smithereens by the Americans. Do not buy into the nuclear threat posed by Iran, it's lies made up by the Americans to force regime change just like Iraq. Why should these leaders and countries and do what we tell them? It's got nothing to do with us.... Why should more innocent civilians and British Troops lose their lives just because America doesn't like who runs another country?
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 8, 2011 16:04:47 GMT
they are living in OUR country an should respect our things .... except the Muslims who are British citizens, many of whom were born here. It's THEIR country too. You say we're under threat - how, apart from drowning in our own paranoia? Lone Gunman - to go back to religion being the cause of wars, the Balkans disintegration was based on ethnic squabbling and a desire to establish independent countries, surely? the fact that there were Muslim Bosnians, Catholic Croatians, Orthodox Serbians involved was just an additional complication.
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 8, 2011 16:13:26 GMT
thousands are born here, but many hate Britain and want Sharia law. What are lot of people can't understand is why, if they hate Britain so much is why don't they go and live in an Islamic country that has Sharia law if it's so great?
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Post by yellowhoods on Feb 8, 2011 16:15:17 GMT
I think you have hit the nail on the head there. Some people put all muslims in the same bracket. I dont think many mean to, but there is no muslim leadership coming out against radical Islam. There is no muslim outrage when people are killed in the name if islam. Its confusing, and not helpful to the good muslims of this countryWheres the confusion?? when people refuse to condemn the bombings it shows where their affinities lie. When the inevitable happens and we go to war with an Islamic state who have nuclear weapons all hell will break loose as ALL Muslims here will side with that state and we will have civil war on our streets. we see stories of "normal law abiding" Muslims who go as far to murder their own daughters if they veer from the Islamic way,if they can do that do you really think they will think twice about us?? wake up!! their silence is deafening. In 2010 there were 2,869,000 Muslims in the UK, under 5% of the total population. That includes the 25,000 hiding under your bed, the 50,000 in the wardrobe in your spare room and the thousands who obviously follow you around, making your life so uncomfortable. Under 5%. If it comes to it we can take them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 16:16:19 GMT
I dont want to eat Halal!! I assume that if i am not told otherwise, i am eating normal meat! Thats not the way it works Unless it specifically tells you what the meat is, then it could be anything. What is "normal meat"? So if you're happy to eat meat that doesn't specify anything then whether it is halal should not bother you. You don't want to eat halal meat because you don't like muslims. Thats the only reason that makes any sense.
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Post by boltonsmiley on Feb 8, 2011 16:20:38 GMT
I think you have hit the nail on the head there. Some people put all muslims in the same bracket. I dont think many mean to, but there is no muslim leadership coming out against radical Islam. There is no muslim outrage when people are killed in the name if islam. Its confusing, and not helpful to the good muslims of this countryWheres the confusion?? when people refuse to condemn the bombings it shows where their affinities lie. When the inevitable happens and we go to war with an Islamic state who have nuclear weapons all hell will break loose as ALL Muslims here will side with that state and we will have civil war on our streets. we see stories of "normal law abiding" Muslims who go as far to murder their own daughters if they veer from the Islamic way,if they can do that do you really think they will think twice about us?? wake up!! their silence is deafening. In 2010 there were 2,869,000 Muslims in the UK, under 5% of the total population. That includes the 25,000 hiding under your bed, the 50,000 in the wardrobe in your spare room and the thousands who obviously follow you around, making your life so uncomfortable. Under 5%. If it comes to it we can take them. The numbers if correct are fast growing, isn't there a census soon? it will be interesting what numbers they throw up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2011 16:20:41 GMT
thousands are born here, but many hate Britain and want Sharia law. What are lot of people can't understand is why, if they hate Britain so much is why don't they go and live in an Islamic country that has Sharia law if it's so great? Fair point, which I agree with, but I do not think there are "many" muslims who live in this country yet hate it. You just hear about them because they are the idiots parading the streets with anti-British banners etc. The huge majority are the ones you don't hear anything about who just get on with their lives and mix with everyone else.
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