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Post by onlyme on Aug 22, 2017 13:34:50 GMT
When the accounts come out a few years from now we'll know. I believe our owner. Money may still be there to spend. Window still open. How do you know what these players you mention are being paid. You are just guessing. The Azerbaijan League, the Czech League are not well-paid leagues. Tiendalli has not played for a year. Xemi has only ever played for Barelona's third team. That is not a high standard of football. Now we may well be paying them decent money. But we sure as hell shouldn't be. Are you anti Eales for some reason?
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Post by foley on Aug 22, 2017 13:36:42 GMT
Not to me it doesn't. Tiendalli Ricardinho Xemi GVK should (and I stress that word because it is entuirely possible agents have shafted us) be cheap wahes-wise. They're either injured or come from a standard far below League 1. Obika is about a bog-standard mid-table budget signing as possible. Lundstram would have been a decent earner. Maguire would have possibly been our biggest and McAleny certainly was on a big old wedge at Everton. Payne, Henry and WIlliamson are not cheap, though, of course. I cannot currently see where a 20 pc increase is coming from with 8 (possibly 9 with Johnson) exits I am not sure that you are right on some of those players. If Leeds were after GVK I reckon he would not be on a small salary. McAleny meanwhile had not played for quite a long time due to injury so we nay have got him for a (relatively) low amount. Regardless far from us guessing how much each player should be paid, DE has said that we are above last season's budget and I seem to recall that a coupe of weeks ago he said our budget was now more than £3M.
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Post by foley on Aug 22, 2017 13:38:42 GMT
Seriously if we're having to let hemmings to go to free up a wage then we are fucked. No way are we anywhere near our budget from last season let alone 20% extra from additional season ticket hikes and all this profitable income we are keep being told about. Got to be that we're playing 1 up top so don't feel the need to have 4 , 5 if u count strikers on the books Why? Isn't the squad (with a replacement for Hemmings) better than last season's (early days but it looks decent to date)? Of course if MJ goes then this means we will need somebody else in as well.
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 22, 2017 13:49:28 GMT
Seriously if we're having to let hemmings to go to free up a wage then we are fucked. No way are we anywhere near our budget from last season let alone 20% extra from additional season ticket hikes and all this profitable income we are keep being told about. Got to be that we're playing 1 up top so don't feel the need to have 4 , 5 if u count strikers on the books Why? Isn't the squad (with a replacement for Hemmings) better than last season's (early days but it looks decent to date)? Of course if MJ goes then this means we will need somebody else in as well. All dependant on what we're paying in wages I suppose. But how much do u offer someone like Williamson ? Great player but hasn't managed many in game in the last two seasons and is a risk. Do u make him a top earner ? All personal opinion, I personally don't think we will have as bigger wage bill as last season let alone 20% higher. And then there's the transfer pot on top of that. And additional revenue coming from Johno who were told we don't need to sell and we would be making a profit even without his sale this season. Not a whinge like u say we've done ok so far. Hard two judge personal I've only seen 2 games and one was total dog shit. We should certainly have enough for 1 or 2 major signings of intent. Plus a loan or two, that faz seemed hopeful of late in the window once Oren clubs had made up their minds
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 22, 2017 13:51:34 GMT
When the accounts come out a few years from now we'll know. I believe our owner. Money may still be there to spend. Window still open. How do you know what these players you mention are being paid. You are just guessing. The Azerbaijan League, the Czech League are not well-paid leagues. Tiendalli has not played for a year. Xemi has only ever played for Barelona's third team. That is not a high standard of football. Now we may well be paying them decent money. But we sure as hell shouldn't be. Small point but Xemi has played in the 3rd tier of Spanish football for both UE Cornella (scored the goal that got them promoted to the 3rd tier and played the following season in the 3rd tier) and Barcelona B (their 2nd team, not 3rd team, where he played 46 times and was a regular in a side that earned promotion to the Spanish equivalent of the Championship).
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Post by 1OUFC on Aug 22, 2017 13:56:01 GMT
I think it's time for a statement of intent to the players that we are serious A lot of money has come into the building. And soon a boatload will come for Marv We have supposedly increased the playing budget by 20 pc as well, despite very little evidence of signings in accordance with that A statement on the wing and striker. The spectre of injury is already hovering over Thomas after 2 league games, after he was subbed last outing for a tight hamstring.
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Post by Long John Silver on Aug 22, 2017 13:57:43 GMT
Not to me it doesn't. Tiendalli Ricardinho Xemi GVK should (and I stress that word because it is entuirely possible agents have shafted us) be cheap wahes-wise. They're either injured or come from a standard far below League 1. Obika is about a bog-standard mid-table budget signing as possible. Lundstram would have been a decent earner. Maguire would have possibly been our biggest and McAleny certainly was on a big old wedge at Everton. Payne, Henry and WIlliamson are not cheap, though, of course. I cannot currently see where a 20 pc increase is coming from with 8 (possibly 9 with Johnson) exits I am not sure that you are right on some of those players. If Leeds were after GVK I reckon he would not be on a small salary. McAleny meanwhile had not played for quite a long time due to injury so we nay have got him for a (relatively) low amount. Regardless far from us guessing how much each player should be paid, DE has said that we are above last season's budget and I seem to recall that a coupe of weeks ago he said our budget was now more than £3M.He said we have a bigger budget than last season... it doesn't necessarily mean that we are up to that figure yet. Also, as has been said, we also should have a rather large transfer budget that has hardly been touched yet.
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Post by socrates on Aug 22, 2017 14:01:11 GMT
The Azerbaijan League, the Czech League are not well-paid leagues. Tiendalli has not played for a year. Xemi has only ever played for Barelona's third team. That is not a high standard of football. Now we may well be paying them decent money. But we sure as hell shouldn't be. Are you anti Eales for some reason? no
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Post by foley on Aug 22, 2017 14:04:55 GMT
Why? Isn't the squad (with a replacement for Hemmings) better than last season's (early days but it looks decent to date)? Of course if MJ goes then this means we will need somebody else in as well. All dependant on what we're paying in wages I suppose. But how much do u offer someone like Williamson ? Great player but hasn't managed many in game in the last two seasons and is a risk. Do u make him a top earner ? All personal opinion, I personally don't think we will have as bigger wage bill as last season let alone 20% higher. And then there's the transfer pot on top of that. And additional revenue coming from Johno who were told we don't need to sell and we would be making a profit even without his sale this season. Not a whinge like u say we've done ok so far. Hard two judge personal I've only seen 2 games and one was total dog shit. We should certainly have enough for 1 or 2 major signings of intent. Plus a loan or two, that faz seemed hopeful of late in the window once Oren clubs had made up their minds I am simply quoting DE and the Oxvox notes. He has in the past couple of weeks (I seem to remember) suggesting that we are now over £3M on salaries. Why would you not believe something like that? I am not denying that we may have funds for transfer fees but from a salary perspective it sounds like prior to Hemmings we had reached the budget...
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 22, 2017 14:28:04 GMT
All dependant on what we're paying in wages I suppose. But how much do u offer someone like Williamson ? Great player but hasn't managed many in game in the last two seasons and is a risk. Do u make him a top earner ? All personal opinion, I personally don't think we will have as bigger wage bill as last season let alone 20% higher. And then there's the transfer pot on top of that. And additional revenue coming from Johno who were told we don't need to sell and we would be making a profit even without his sale this season. Not a whinge like u say we've done ok so far. Hard two judge personal I've only seen 2 games and one was total dog shit. We should certainly have enough for 1 or 2 major signings of intent. Plus a loan or two, that faz seemed hopeful of late in the window once Oren clubs had made up their minds I am simply quoting DE and the Oxvox notes. He has in the past couple of weeks (I seem to remember) suggesting that we are now over £3M on salaries. Why would you not believe something like that? I am not denying that we may have funds for transfer fees but from a salary perspective it sounds like prior to Hemmings we had reached the budget... Did it say that's what we're paying ATM , or what our budget is for the season ? I may have misread it . Says what the budget is expected to be . Plus 20% is just over £3.3m. Doesn't say what we're currently at
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Post by highlights on Aug 22, 2017 14:49:38 GMT
Right time to clear a few things up.
Naturally I don't know the exact wage bill, but it seems logical we have hit the top edge of it.
Some things you should know:
- Transfer money in does not go into the wage bill. Transfer money in usually is paid over the course of a players contract - so if they get a three year deal at the new club, you get 1/3 of the total a year. So an overnight transfer doesn't mean you are suddenly flush with cash. We also need to pay the operational budget before any excess is released - we are, and have been, in debt for a while now. Excess transfer fees largely go into making the club solvent, maybe 20-30% is reinvested. - Most of the people let go were on L2 money. Many were offered better money, but a lot of them turned it down. So Dunkley, Lundstrum, Sercombe etc would not have been on good L1 salaries. Unless they signed a new contract in the last 12 months, they aren't earning that much money. - An average player in L1 costs you more than in L2. Seems obvious, but many miss it. - Injury hit players like Willamson are likely on small wages, but big playing bonuses - incentives them to keep fit. - Not all contacts are created equal. A one year contract does not have the same risk as a three year one. Often heads of football calculate their budgets over rolling three year periods.
Offloading Kane very much seems about freeing up a hole in the budget to me. I've seen it many times before. I'd wager a loan or a free transfer is coming this way. Pep may well wait until the transfer window shuts, then when prices drop and managers know the squads they have to work with, loans are more likely to occur.
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Post by holdsteady on Aug 22, 2017 14:59:10 GMT
Right time to clear a few things up. Naturally I don't know the exact wage bill, but it seems logical we have hit the top edge of it. Some things you should know: - Transfer money in does not go into the wage bill. Transfer money in usually is paid over the course of a players contract - so if they get a three year deal at the new club, you get 1/3 of the total a year. So an overnight transfer doesn't mean you are suddenly flush with cash. We also need to pay the operational budget before any excess is released - we are, and have been, in debt for a while now. Excess transfer fees largely go into making the club solvent, maybe 20-30% is reinvested. - Most of the people let go were on L2 money. Many were offered better money, but a lot of them turned it down. So Dunkley, Lundstrum, Sercombe etc would not have been on good L1 salaries. Unless they signed a new contract in the last 12 months, they aren't earning that much money. - An average player in L1 costs you more than in L2. Seems obvious, but many miss it. - Injury hit players like Willamson are likely on small wages, but big playing bonuses - incentives them to keep fit. - Not all contacts are created equal. A one year contract does not have the same risk as a three year one. Often heads of football calculate their budgets over rolling three year periods. Offloading Kane very much seems about freeing up a hole in the budget to me. I've seen it many times before. I'd wager a loan or a free transfer is coming this way. Pep may well wait until the transfer window shuts, then when prices drop and managers know the squads they have to work with, loans are more likely to occur. I didn't think you could loan players outside of the transfer windows now?
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Post by Marked Ox on Aug 22, 2017 15:13:41 GMT
Right time to clear a few things up. Naturally I don't know the exact wage bill, but it seems logical we have hit the top edge of it. Some things you should know: - Transfer money in does not go into the wage bill. Transfer money in usually is paid over the course of a players contract - so if they get a three year deal at the new club, you get 1/3 of the total a year. So an overnight transfer doesn't mean you are suddenly flush with cash. We also need to pay the operational budget before any excess is released - we are, and have been, in debt for a while now. Excess transfer fees largely go into making the club solvent, maybe 20-30% is reinvested. - Most of the people let go were on L2 money. Many were offered better money, but a lot of them turned it down. So Dunkley, Lundstrum, Sercombe etc would not have been on good L1 salaries. Unless they signed a new contract in the last 12 months, they aren't earning that much money. - An average player in L1 costs you more than in L2. Seems obvious, but many miss it. - Injury hit players like Willamson are likely on small wages, but big playing bonuses - incentives them to keep fit. - Not all contacts are created equal. A one year contract does not have the same risk as a three year one. Often heads of football calculate their budgets over rolling three year periods. Offloading Kane very much seems about freeing up a hole in the budget to me. I've seen it many times before. I'd wager a loan or a free transfer is coming this way. Pep may well wait until the transfer window shuts, then when prices drop and managers know the squads they have to work with, loans are more likely to occur. I didn't think you could loan players outside of the transfer windows now? You can't.
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Post by deadmanwalking on Aug 22, 2017 15:42:28 GMT
Not really a surprise. The formation and style Pep is going for will not suit Kane. Far better he goes to a team who will play to his strengths. Hopefully he'll bang in a load of goals for them and show what he is capable of doing. I certainly don't see this as clearing a wage, more offloading someone who isn't able to adapt to the kind of football we want to play.
Good luck to him. Hopefully we got someone lined up to replace him.
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Post by highlights on Aug 22, 2017 15:45:04 GMT
I didn't think you could loan players outside of the transfer windows now? You can't. Ah yes, sorry thinking of the classic emergency loan, which was done away with.
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Post by mintyshoe on Aug 22, 2017 15:59:49 GMT
Lets not beat around the bush, Hemmings wasn't up to it. Next.
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Post by manorlounger on Aug 22, 2017 16:04:46 GMT
Lets not beat around the bush, Hemmings wasn't up to it. Next. More a case of square peg in a round hole than not up to it. (ok, I'm being a tad generous but he could still be good) Given that there is an agreement, apparently, to sell him to Mansfield if all are happy then I would like to see him banging in the goals and upping his value. No doubt they have an idea of how to play him at Mansfield otherwise why take him?
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Post by fishpaste on Aug 22, 2017 16:09:04 GMT
Because he is skilful, quick, can hold the ball up and can score from range. Something were missing with wes. All his football has been in higher divisions than league 1. Sent from my SM-G930F using proboards Fair enough, for me I'd want a bit more of a proven track record. Someone like steve Morrison I'm glad you put the word 'like' in to that sentence. Who could possibly want a 34 year old that only scored 11 league goals last season (incl. 2 penalties).
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Post by charliesghost on Aug 22, 2017 16:13:54 GMT
I am not sure that you are right on some of those players. If Leeds were after GVK I reckon he would not be on a small salary. McAleny meanwhile had not played for quite a long time due to injury so we nay have got him for a (relatively) low amount. Regardless far from us guessing how much each player should be paid, DE has said that we are above last season's budget and I seem to recall that a coupe of weeks ago he said our budget was now more than £3M.He said we have a bigger budget than last season... it doesn't necessarily mean that we are up to that figure yet. Also, as has been said, we also should have a rather large transfer budget that has hardly been touched yet. Er quite. No, the current wage bill is not higher than last year's. Or most of us would be astounded if it is. But that does not mean that over the course of the season we won't spend more. McAleny wasn't here this time last year. Nor was Johnson! So let's hold the horses before rushing to judgement. Likewise on the transfer fees (out) - there's still over a week left, and this is precisely the time of year when fees do get paid.
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Post by oxfordboy on Aug 22, 2017 16:14:47 GMT
Fair enough, for me I'd want a bit more of a proven track record. Someone like steve Morrison I'm glad you put the word 'like' in to that sentence. Who could possibly want a 34 year old that only scored 11 league goals last season (incl. 2 penalties). He scored 13 last season and offers a lot more than goals
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Aug 22, 2017 16:21:00 GMT
He'll do ok at L2. Not good enough for L1. A slightly better Pat Hoban imo.
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Post by harryhalitosis on Aug 22, 2017 16:38:51 GMT
Right time to clear a few things up. Naturally I don't know the exact wage bill, but it seems logical we have hit the top edge of it. Some things you should know: - Transfer money in does not go into the wage bill. Transfer money in usually is paid over the course of a players contract - so if they get a three year deal at the new club, you get 1/3 of the total a year. So an overnight transfer doesn't mean you are suddenly flush with cash. We also need to pay the operational budget before any excess is released - we are, and have been, in debt for a while now. Excess transfer fees largely go into making the club solvent, maybe 20-30% is reinvested. - Most of the people let go were on L2 money. Many were offered better money, but a lot of them turned it down. So Dunkley, Lundstrum, Sercombe etc would not have been on good L1 salaries. Unless they signed a new contract in the last 12 months, they aren't earning that much money. - An average player in L1 costs you more than in L2. Seems obvious, but many miss it. - Injury hit players like Willamson are likely on small wages, but big playing bonuses - incentives them to keep fit. - Not all contacts are created equal. A one year contract does not have the same risk as a three year one. Often heads of football calculate their budgets over rolling three year periods. Offloading Kane very much seems about freeing up a hole in the budget to me. I've seen it many times before. I'd wager a loan or a free transfer is coming this way. Pep may well wait until the transfer window shuts, then when prices drop and managers know the squads they have to work with, loans are more likely to occur. With respect, I'm not sure your first point is typical of most transfers at our level. To be clear, when a transfer happens it is the players' REGISTRATION (a piece of paper) that is transferred from one club to another, with the original registration remaining with the league, rather than the PLAYER being transferred himself (even though that is a consequence). Sometimes (but certainly not very often at lower-league level) the registration transfer terms (the transfer fee) will stipulate that the fee will be paid over so many years or months, with some extras paid on top depending on the number of appearance the player goes on to make/ goals scored / promotion achieved etc. Whether the transfer fee is put into the playing squad (for wages) is down to the Directors and Board to decide and agree but I think you'll find that many smaller clubs do exactly that - no point in a non-league club selling their star player for say £1M and then not being able to use a % of that fee to pay the wages of the replacement they bring in. HH
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 22, 2017 16:44:38 GMT
He'll do ok at L2. Not good enough for L1. A slightly better Pat Hoban imo. That why 6 league 1 clubs, 6 Scottish prem clubs, and numerous l2 clubs were after him were they
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Post by manorlounger on Aug 22, 2017 16:48:28 GMT
I'll tell you what, this bloke sounds bloody great!! Prolific goalscorerNice touch - “My thanks are also extended to Kane’s parent club for the professionalism in which they have dealt with our interest over a period of two to three months.
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Post by malcolmsmoustache on Aug 22, 2017 16:55:50 GMT
If all those L1 clubs were 'after' him, why did he go to Mansfield? And you will see SPL players going to L2 or Conference clubs, so their 'interest' proves nothing. Lack of pace. Slow feet. Not very good in the air. Apart from that, of course, he was brilliant!
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Post by Denissmithswig on Aug 22, 2017 17:01:35 GMT
If all those L1 clubs were 'after' him, why did he go to Mansfield? And you will see SPL players going to L2 or Conference clubs, so their 'interest' proves nothing. Lack of pace. Slow feet. Not very good in the air. Apart from that, of course, he was brilliant! Just because L1 clubs are interested in him doesn't mean we will allow a fellow team in our league have him. Why would we want one of our players going to a team in our league who could score 15 goals for them and helping them finish higher than us?
It makes sense to send him to a team who a going to be challenging in the league below.
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Post by tonyw on Aug 22, 2017 17:06:32 GMT
I'd like to know where we've maxed out our budget? We've lost McAleny, Maguire, Scarz, Lundstrum, Sercombe, Edwards, Dunkley and possibly Johnson's on his way out, so with what we've brought in I struggle to see the increase! Add to that the monies we've received and it looks more like selling assets to maximise returns to me. The next week or so will be very telling to me in what direction the club really want to go in. Highlights has already touched on this, but..... Skarz, Lundstram, Sercombe & Dunkley were all signed while we were in League Two, and I don't believe any of them renegotiated their deals. So all would likely have been on less than average League One wages. McAleny was on loan from Everton, so we may well have only been paying a proportion of his wages (admittedly, that's speculation, but it does happen with loans from established Premier league clubs). So I'd guess that Edwards and Maguire were the only two of those for whom we were paying a good League One wage. Now, I'd guess that we're paying Obika, Henry, Williamson and Payne good League One wages (perhaps with some terms that limit our exposure to injury). Add in Tiendalli, Pekalski, Ricardinho, Xemi, Van Kessel and Shearer....and even if they're cheaper than average, it seems very likely to me that our wage bill has gone up this year. We have more first team players in total compared to the end of last season, and more players that are established at this, or a higher level. No surpise for me at all that we're now in a One in - One out phase.
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Post by eighteen93 on Aug 22, 2017 17:08:52 GMT
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Post by campbell on Aug 22, 2017 17:17:22 GMT
This might be the first, and only time I ever say this.... but Steve Evans came across really well in that interview
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Post by oufcyellows on Aug 22, 2017 17:39:11 GMT
Saying those players were signed in l2 so would have been on l2 wages is probably not entirely true though. I would bet that most would have had a automatic promotion wage rise agreed in their contracts. Pretty common place
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