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Post by foley on May 17, 2017 10:33:40 GMT
I really hope that they don't go up...
Having said that, on the basis that we haven't played them in a league game for 16 years it is hardly surprising that many fans do not see them as a big rival.
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May 17, 2017 11:03:58 GMT
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Post by unification on May 17, 2017 11:03:58 GMT
We played them in a couple of League Cup ties back in 2003 and 2004.
You wouldn't have known it was a derby other than seeing a few extra fans in the away section for a Tuesday night game. The atmosphere was no different to any other game and the 'edge' that others here have cited was non-existent.
It probably is a generational thing. For me, they're no more a rival than Bury, Gilligham or Yeovil are. I can't fabricate a dislike of them simply because I'm told to.
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May 17, 2017 11:21:14 GMT
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Post by ox4eva on May 17, 2017 11:21:14 GMT
We played them in a couple of League Cup ties back in 2003 and 2004. You wouldn't have known it was a derby other than seeing a few extra fans in the away section for a Tuesday night game. The atmosphere was no different to any other game and the 'edge' that others here have cited was non-existent. It probably is a generational thing. For me, they're no more a rival than Bury, Gilligham or Yeovil are. I can't fabricate a dislike of them simply because I'm told to. Same with me and the swine
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May 17, 2017 11:23:37 GMT
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Post by haloras on May 17, 2017 11:23:37 GMT
We played them in a couple of League Cup ties back in 2003 and 2004. You wouldn't have known it was a derby other than seeing a few extra fans in the away section for a Tuesday night game. The atmosphere was no different to any other game and the 'edge' that others here have cited was non-existent. It probably is a generational thing. For me, they're no more a rival than Bury, Gilligham or Yeovil are. I can't fabricate a dislike of them simply because I'm told to. I feel the same. I worked in reading for a while and they hate us, as much as we do sw****n. They don't get it that were a a bit meh about them.
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May 17, 2017 17:04:44 GMT
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Post by lambchop on May 17, 2017 17:04:44 GMT
Wycombe more of a rival than Reading, that's got to be a wind up surely!..... even my Mrs laughed when I said that Neither are rivals. Don't tell me you're boycotting rivalries MrBob
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May 17, 2017 17:55:57 GMT
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Post by ox4eva on May 17, 2017 17:55:57 GMT
We played them in a couple of League Cup ties back in 2003 and 2004. You wouldn't have known it was a derby other than seeing a few extra fans in the away section for a Tuesday night game. The atmosphere was no different to any other game and the 'edge' that others here have cited was non-existent. It probably is a generational thing. For me, they're no more a rival than Bury, Gilligham or Yeovil are. I can't fabricate a dislike of them simply because I'm told to. I feel the same. I worked in reading for a while and they hate us, as much as we do sw****n. They don't get it that were a a bit meh about them. Not all U's feel like that though, it's just because we have not really been playing them for years and younger U's fans are not aware which I can understand. But the feeling is still there for plenty of us!
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Post by harrycarry on May 17, 2017 20:00:26 GMT
Who will we play next in a league game - Reading or Swindleton?
I think I'd go for Reading in the championship, as I can't see us dropping back to the National league any time soon.
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Post by oldham on May 17, 2017 20:05:48 GMT
Wycombe more of a rival than Reading, that's got to be a wind up surely!..... even my Mrs laughed when I said that Neither are rivals. CB you are obviously too young to know or to get it my friend...
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May 17, 2017 20:20:36 GMT
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Post by concretebob on May 17, 2017 20:20:36 GMT
CB you are obviously too young to know or to get it my friend... And here in the present day - there is only one rival. And they are in the bottom tier! (It's not Wycombe)
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Post by oufcyellows on May 17, 2017 20:24:08 GMT
CB you are obviously too young to know or to get it my friend... And here in the present day - there is only one rival. And they are in the bottom tier! (It's not Wycombe) Luton ?
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May 17, 2017 20:26:07 GMT
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Post by bigfella72 on May 17, 2017 20:26:07 GMT
CB you are obviously too young to know or to get it my friend... And here in the present day - there is only one rival. And they are in the bottom tier! (It's not Wycombe) He doesn't get it Oldham
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Post by oldham on May 17, 2017 20:27:37 GMT
And here in the present day - there is only one rival. And they are in the bottom tier! (It's not Wycombe) He doesn't get it Oldham I gathered
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Post by concretebob on May 17, 2017 20:30:05 GMT
I'll try and be born a couple of decades earlier next time. Sorry, but my generation only know one rival. Young pups!
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Post by MJB on May 17, 2017 21:32:05 GMT
My first away game was at Elm Park and I distinctly remember a shower of bottles flying towards us in the away end.
That was in about 96 too (Jemson put us ahead very early before we lost 2-1) so hardly in the days of particularly bad trouble but there was definitely an edge.
Also saw us play them at their new place and it all felt very sanitised. I imagine that would continue to be a big factor in terms of the chance of any trouble should we play them again.
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Post by ox4eva on May 17, 2017 22:11:46 GMT
My first away game was at Elm Park and I distinctly remember a shower of bottles flying towards us in the away end. That was in about 96 too (Jemson put us ahead very early before we lost 2-1) so hardly in the days of particularly bad trouble but there was definitely an edge. Also saw us play them at their new place and it all felt very sanitised. I imagine that would continue to be a big factor in terms of the chance of any trouble should we play them again. The same can now be said for any visit to our gaff these days. But I think I am right in saying that any visit from Reading will make a game against the swine look like a trip to Balamory if we get them at any stage!
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Post by oldham on May 17, 2017 22:23:26 GMT
My first away game was at Elm Park and I distinctly remember a shower of bottles flying towards us in the away end. That was in about 96 too (Jemson put us ahead very early before we lost 2-1) so hardly in the days of particularly bad trouble but there was definitely an edge. Also saw us play them at their new place and it all felt very sanitised. I imagine that would continue to be a big factor in terms of the chance of any trouble should we play them again. The same can now be said for any visit to our gaff these days. But I think I am right in saying that any visit from Reading will make a game against the swine look like a trip to Balamory if we get them at any stage! Too true, they seem to bring out their "premier league" chaps when they come to us for some reason
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Post by sonofivan on May 18, 2017 4:42:33 GMT
My neighbour is a fan of the carrier bag crew. The first time I met him I overheard him joking about an argument he had with a swine fan about who hated oxford more. He was quite sheepish when I revealed my allegiance to the mighty yellows and despite his questionable football loyalties we get on ok. Do you think Danny Dyer might want to do a documentary about the two of us?
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Post by yellowfever1 on May 18, 2017 6:06:23 GMT
Surely our biggest rival is whoever Chris Wilder manages!
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Post by lambchop on May 18, 2017 6:21:51 GMT
Personally I always put Swine before the plastics. I didn't know any scum fans so it was easy to hate them, but kicking around in Wallingford I had a few Reading mates. It was funny seeing them on one side of the town waiting to go to Elm Park and us on the other going to the Manor... a bit of friendly banter was always thrown around....but when we played each other it wasn't friendly anymore....until the next day when it reverted back. I used to love Elm Park a real old school ground (shit hole but who really cared back then). When we played them at their place last I was very disappointed. They really lived up to their plastic status then and it was a very premiership type experience with no edge at all. They came to us when the bowl plea was being built and there was a bit of a flash back for times gone by. I for one think it's still there simering waiting for a league clash to ignite the rivalry again. Small town in Chelsea
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Post by Denissmithswig on May 18, 2017 6:32:42 GMT
I went to Wallingford school and the lunch time kick about was always Oxford vs Reading. I hate Reading as much as Swindon but I can see why some younger fans don't get it. I remember the first time we played them at the Kassam in the league cup and that was certainly lively before and after the game.
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Post by saddletramp on May 18, 2017 8:33:17 GMT
We played them in a couple of League Cup ties back in 2003 and 2004. You wouldn't have known it was a derby other than seeing a few extra fans in the away section for a Tuesday night game. The atmosphere was no different to any other game and the 'edge' that others here have cited was non-existent. It probably is a generational thing. For me, they're no more a rival than Bury, Gilligham or Yeovil are. I can't fabricate a dislike of them simply because I'm told to. Bollox. Reading got given the Priory,Oxford came down from Littlemore round the back of the (unfinished) bowling alley kicked off big time,with the Plod on horseback driving the Oxford back towards Littlemore,then kicked off in the car park as Reading made their way to the North stand. Reading at the Manor midweek,brought 50 lads into Headington in the afternoon,kicked off big time,17 Oxford lads in Crown court on yet another TVP stitch up. I know trouble at football is not a measure of rivalry (Millwall) but how can you talk about Swindon and "edge " when you don't see their fans before or after the game at home,and you drink where ever you want away ? We had 1,000 drinking in Swindon this season,unchallenged until we got to the skip (and then only behind mass police ranks) that wouldn't happen in Reading.
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Post by unification on May 18, 2017 8:55:21 GMT
We played them in a couple of League Cup ties back in 2003 and 2004. You wouldn't have known it was a derby other than seeing a few extra fans in the away section for a Tuesday night game. The atmosphere was no different to any other game and the 'edge' that others here have cited was non-existent. It probably is a generational thing. For me, they're no more a rival than Bury, Gilligham or Yeovil are. I can't fabricate a dislike of them simply because I'm told to. Bollox. Reading got given the Priory,Oxford came down from Littlemore round the back of the (unfinished) bowling alley kicked off big time,with the Plod on horseback driving the Oxford back towards Littlemore,then kicked off in the car park as Reading made their way to the North stand. Reading at the Manor midweek,brought 50 lads into Headington in the afternoon,kicked off big time,17 Oxford lads in Crown court on yet another TVP stitch up. I know trouble at football is not a measure of rivalry (Millwall) but how can you talk about Swindon and "edge " when you don't see their fans before or after the game at home,and you drink where ever you want away ? We had 1,000 drinking in Swindon this season,unchallenged until we got to the skip (and then only behind mass police ranks) that wouldn't happen in Reading. I couldn’t give a toss about any of that. Not my scene, never has been and never will be. You even admit it’s no measure of rivalry so why is my post ‘bollox’ (sic)? I’m sure that those involved in that dark side of football fandom can point to an incident at every ground they’ve visited. It doesn’t mean we have a ‘rivalry’ with another side just because a couple of Stone Island clad lads had a fight once round the back of the North Stand and created their own myths and legends out of it. ‘There was five of us and 100 of ‘em. We gave a good account of ourselves and sent ‘em runnin’’ … Yawn. I’ll judge what happened in the ground and what I witnessed and heard was an atmosphere and edge that could have passed for any other League game. Swindon on the other hand always has an edge. The crowd are louder, the chants more sharp, the shouts when a rough tackle goes in are more fierce and when we inevitably score the celebrating goes on for longer. You don’t get that against Reading.
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Post by Denissmithswig on May 18, 2017 9:14:34 GMT
Bollox. Reading got given the Priory,Oxford came down from Littlemore round the back of the (unfinished) bowling alley kicked off big time,with the Plod on horseback driving the Oxford back towards Littlemore,then kicked off in the car park as Reading made their way to the North stand. Reading at the Manor midweek,brought 50 lads into Headington in the afternoon,kicked off big time,17 Oxford lads in Crown court on yet another TVP stitch up. I know trouble at football is not a measure of rivalry (Millwall) but how can you talk about Swindon and "edge " when you don't see their fans before or after the game at home,and you drink where ever you want away ? We had 1,000 drinking in Swindon this season,unchallenged until we got to the skip (and then only behind mass police ranks) that wouldn't happen in Reading. I couldn’t give a toss about any of that. Not my scene, never has been and never will be. You even admit it’s no measure of rivalry so why is my post ‘bollox’ (sic)? I’m sure that those involved in that dark side of football fandom can point to an incident at every ground they’ve visited. It doesn’t mean we have a ‘rivalry’ with another side just because a couple of Stone Island clad lads had a fight once round the back of the North Stand and created their own myths and legends out of it. ‘There was five of us and 100 of ‘em. We gave a good account of ourselves and sent ‘em runnin’’ … Yawn. I’ll judge what happened in the ground and what I witnessed and heard was an atmosphere and edge that could have passed for any other League game. Swindon on the other hand always has an edge. The crowd are louder, the chants more sharp, the shouts when a rough tackle goes in are more fierce and when we inevitably score the celebrating goes on for longer. You don’t get that against Reading. Out of interest how old are you?
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Post by ox4eva on May 18, 2017 9:53:40 GMT
Bollox. Reading got given the Priory,Oxford came down from Littlemore round the back of the (unfinished) bowling alley kicked off big time,with the Plod on horseback driving the Oxford back towards Littlemore,then kicked off in the car park as Reading made their way to the North stand. Reading at the Manor midweek,brought 50 lads into Headington in the afternoon,kicked off big time,17 Oxford lads in Crown court on yet another TVP stitch up. I know trouble at football is not a measure of rivalry (Millwall) but how can you talk about Swindon and "edge " when you don't see their fans before or after the game at home,and you drink where ever you want away ? We had 1,000 drinking in Swindon this season,unchallenged until we got to the skip (and then only behind mass police ranks) that wouldn't happen in Reading. I couldn’t give a toss about any of that. Not my scene, never has been and never will be. You even admit it’s no measure of rivalry so why is my post ‘bollox’ (sic)? I’m sure that those involved in that dark side of football fandom can point to an incident at every ground they’ve visited. It doesn’t mean we have a ‘rivalry’ with another side just because a couple of Stone Island clad lads had a fight once round the back of the North Stand and created their own myths and legends out of it. ‘There was five of us and 100 of ‘em. We gave a good account of ourselves and sent ‘em runnin’’ … Yawn. I’ll judge what happened in the ground and what I witnessed and heard was an atmosphere and edge that could have passed for any other League game. Swindon on the other hand always has an edge. The crowd are louder, the chants more sharp, the shouts when a rough tackle goes in are more fierce and when we inevitably score the celebrating goes on for longer. You don’t get that against Reading. It's all about opinions and everyone has there own view. But to say there is no edge when we play Reading is ridiculous! It's just a long time since we played them regularly but if we did you would see more 'edge' on and off the pitch than against the swine. How many swine games home and away have ever been sell outs? As this is such a huge rivalry that some cling to so they can sing about them. Reality for many U's fans of a certain age is we have the swine and Reading on our hate lists in equal measure. Those who don't get it are our younger fans but maybe they need to learn some more of our history and it does not make you any less of a U's diehard to dislike Reading as well as the swine!
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Post by lambchop on May 18, 2017 11:48:11 GMT
Bollox. Reading got given the Priory,Oxford came down from Littlemore round the back of the (unfinished) bowling alley kicked off big time,with the Plod on horseback driving the Oxford back towards Littlemore,then kicked off in the car park as Reading made their way to the North stand. Reading at the Manor midweek,brought 50 lads into Headington in the afternoon,kicked off big time,17 Oxford lads in Crown court on yet another TVP stitch up. I know trouble at football is not a measure of rivalry (Millwall) but how can you talk about Swindon and "edge " when you don't see their fans before or after the game at home,and you drink where ever you want away ? We had 1,000 drinking in Swindon this season,unchallenged until we got to the skip (and then only behind mass police ranks) that wouldn't happen in Reading. I couldn’t give a toss about any of that. Not my scene, never has been and never will be. You even admit it’s no measure of rivalry so why is my post ‘bollox’ (sic)? I’m sure that those involved in that dark side of football fandom can point to an incident at every ground they’ve visited. It doesn’t mean we have a ‘rivalry’ with another side just because a couple of Stone Island clad lads had a fight once round the back of the North Stand and created their own myths and legends out of it. ‘There was five of us and 100 of ‘em. We gave a good account of ourselves and sent ‘em runnin’’ … Yawn. I’ll judge what happened in the ground and what I witnessed and heard was an atmosphere and edge that could have passed for any other League game. Swindon on the other hand always has an edge. The crowd are louder, the chants more sharp, the shouts when a rough tackle goes in are more fierce and when we inevitably score the celebrating goes on for longer. You don’t get that against Reading. Did you not go to Elm Park? If you did then you would know that all you mentioned as much if not more there and at the Manor. It's been a few years since we played them in a league match and they've left us behind a little. Maybe their ranks aren't full of Chelsea yoof anymore and there're more families there now. So maybe the rivalry has been watered down. I've not seen my old Reading buddies for years now so I've no one to ask. We will see hopefully one day.
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Post by lambchop on May 18, 2017 11:49:46 GMT
I couldn’t give a toss about any of that. Not my scene, never has been and never will be. You even admit it’s no measure of rivalry so why is my post ‘bollox’ (sic)? I’m sure that those involved in that dark side of football fandom can point to an incident at every ground they’ve visited. It doesn’t mean we have a ‘rivalry’ with another side just because a couple of Stone Island clad lads had a fight once round the back of the North Stand and created their own myths and legends out of it. ‘There was five of us and 100 of ‘em. We gave a good account of ourselves and sent ‘em runnin’’ … Yawn. I’ll judge what happened in the ground and what I witnessed and heard was an atmosphere and edge that could have passed for any other League game. Swindon on the other hand always has an edge. The crowd are louder, the chants more sharp, the shouts when a rough tackle goes in are more fierce and when we inevitably score the celebrating goes on for longer. You don’t get that against Reading. It's all about opinions and everyone has there own view. But to say there is no edge when we play Reading is ridiculous! It's just a long time since we played them regularly but if we did you would see more 'edge' on and off the pitch than against the swine. How many swine games home and away have ever been sell outs? As this is such a huge rivalry that some cling to so they can sing about them. Reality for many U's fans of a certain age is we have the swine and Reading on our hate lists in equal measure. Those who don't get it are our younger fans but maybe they need to learn some more of our history and it does not make you any less of a U's diehard to dislike Reading as well as the swine! This ^
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Post by unification on May 18, 2017 12:06:01 GMT
I couldn’t give a toss about any of that. Not my scene, never has been and never will be. You even admit it’s no measure of rivalry so why is my post ‘bollox’ (sic)? I’m sure that those involved in that dark side of football fandom can point to an incident at every ground they’ve visited. It doesn’t mean we have a ‘rivalry’ with another side just because a couple of Stone Island clad lads had a fight once round the back of the North Stand and created their own myths and legends out of it. ‘There was five of us and 100 of ‘em. We gave a good account of ourselves and sent ‘em runnin’’ … Yawn. I’ll judge what happened in the ground and what I witnessed and heard was an atmosphere and edge that could have passed for any other League game. Swindon on the other hand always has an edge. The crowd are louder, the chants more sharp, the shouts when a rough tackle goes in are more fierce and when we inevitably score the celebrating goes on for longer. You don’t get that against Reading. It's all about opinions and everyone has there own view. But to say there is no edge when we play Reading is ridiculous! It's just a long time since we played them regularly but if we did you would see more 'edge' on and off the pitch than against the swine. How many swine games home and away have ever been sell outs? As this is such a huge rivalry that some cling to so they can sing about them. Reality for many U's fans of a certain age is we have the swine and Reading on our hate lists in equal measure. Those who don't get it are our younger fans but maybe they need to learn some more of our history and it does not make you any less of a U's diehard to dislike Reading as well as the swine! I can’t have you up for choosing Reading as your main rival. We’re all entitled to choose. There’s probably an Oxford fan out in the masses who detests Scunthorpe for a reason that would seem pointlessly bizarre to the rest of us! However, even with the context of history, I can’t get worked up about Reading or bring myself to fabricate a rivalry with them. I think you and I are in agreement that it’s a generational thing and for those who experienced the whole Thames Valley Royals saga it probably would mean something. However, time moves on and other teams enter and exit the rivalry stakes for varying reasons –Dagenham & Redbridge in our quest for the BSP title, Luton when they thought they were the dog’s bollocks in the fifth tier, Northampton won the war last season but MApp expertly trolled their victory celebrations with the ‘best team in League 2’ comment. I wouldn’t regard any as a rival now and I file Reading in the same category. The rivalry may raise its head again in the future and actually playing them once in a blue moon would help too. I think the Oxfordshire public know who the main rival is too. The attendances for those two recent memory Reading League Cup matches: 2003-04: 9,870 2004-05: 5,919 I’ll give you a few mitigating circumstances. Atkins’ side in 2003-04 never drew big crowds, League Cup attendances are always down on League crowds, Rix’s assembled side was dross and the wheels were already starting to fall off (check out the XI he put out that day – zero pace in it), Reading hadn’t visited the Kassam prior to 2003-04 so they brought a healthy number that didn’t follow the year after. Like all clubs, fans turn up more when the going is good so Oxford’s numbers were down. However, against Swindon in the Football League Trophy, a lesser cup over the League Cup, we’ve still mustered some healthy crowds. 2012-13 was a nothing, absolute waste of a season for Oxford and our highest attendance all season was the 1-0 win over Swindon in the FLT with 7,745. Even overall average attendance stats have attendances against Swindon as higher than those against Reading. I think that shows who the majority of the Oxford faithful regard as our main rival. Reading just isn’t the lure it used to be.
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Post by Denissmithswig on May 18, 2017 12:27:54 GMT
To just disregard Reading as a rival is IMO not having a full understanding of Oxford United history. Yes the clubs have grown apart in terms of Reading going one way and us going the other way but believe me if we were in the same league again you would witness and fierce local derby.
You get 'rivalries" with teams like Luton over the years but it wouldn't be classed as a local derby. Reading in my eyes is a local derby and one that I would hate to lose as much as I would hate to lose to Swindon.
If they aren't rivals then why do we sing build a bonfire, put the Swindon on the top, you put the Reading in the middle and you burning the f*cking lot.
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Post by oufcyellows on May 18, 2017 12:32:49 GMT
To just disregard Reading as a rival is IMO not having a full understanding of Oxford United history. Yes the clubs have grown apart in terms of Reading going one way and us going the other way but believe me if we were in the same league again you would witness and fierce local derby. You get 'rivalries" with teams like Luton over the years but it wouldn't be classed as a local derby. Reading in my eyes is a local derby and one that I would hate to lose as much as I would hate to lose to Swindon. If they aren't rivals then why do we sing build a bonfire, put the Swindon on the top, you put the Reading in the middle and you burning the f*cking lot. I know they ain't rivals but can we use Wycombe as kindling anyway
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Post by bigronaldo on May 18, 2017 12:53:57 GMT
To just disregard Reading as a rival is IMO not having a full understanding of Oxford United history. Yes the clubs have grown apart in terms of Reading going one way and us going the other way but believe me if we were in the same league again you would witness and fierce local derby. You get 'rivalries" with teams like Luton over the years but it wouldn't be classed as a local derby. Reading in my eyes is a local derby and one that I would hate to lose as much as I would hate to lose to Swindon. If they aren't rivals then why do we sing build a bonfire, put the Swindon on the top, you put the Reading in the middle and you burning the f*cking lot. I know they ain't rivals but can we use Wycombe as kindling anyway No!
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