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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 27, 2017 12:08:40 GMT
Agree on the Twitter account. There are times where you can tell he is bored or wants to have a go. The phone needs to be hidden when he in those moods as it's a detriment to Trump. Bigly.
One of the more fascinating discussions I saw about Obamacare was on Facebook between someone in the UK and US. The reality of the effects on small businesses and personally vs what the media were saying over here was enlightening. Just one perspective though.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Oct 23, 2017 18:38:28 GMT
I'd forgotten about this thread until Mr Trump's spat with a war widow today reminded me.
In other news, apparently the 13% rise in crime in the UK is down to Muslim extremists. It's quite remarkable the president can tweet what he pleases, when he pleases without, apparently, anyone advising him let alone vetting his outpourings.
Some retired US general was on C4 News just now. He was clearly very fond of the president and said we must understand that Mr Trump tweets so often and so bizarrely because he's 'not a politician'.
The world has definitely gone mad.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Oct 23, 2017 20:23:31 GMT
It has indeed. It's like having the Tasmanian Devil as the most powerful human in the world. Fascinating, shocking and riveting watching. In some respects the complete lack of filter is refreshing and far away from heavily scripted bland oratory of Presidents past.
Far better than selling a pity party book in Costco about why I'm to blame but it's actually everyone else's fault.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 29, 2017 13:17:07 GMT
Mr Trump, leader of the world's most powerful country, has excelled himself by re-tweeting unverified, hugely inflammatory anti-Islamic videos first tweeted by Ms Fransen, deputy leader of Britain First. Ms Fransen is delighted, proclaiming God bless Mr Trump, God bless America. What a lovely couple they make. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663
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Post by sihath on Nov 29, 2017 13:24:19 GMT
Mr Trump, leader of the world's most powerful country, has excelled himself by re-tweeting unverified, hugely inflammatory anti-Islamic videos first tweeted by Ms Fransen, deputy leader of Britain First. Ms Fransen is delighted, proclaiming God bless Mr Trump, God bless America. What a lovely couple they make. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663Britain First, a member of which murdered Jo Cox, whilst shouting "Britain First". And the President of the USA retweets them. Am I living in some weird dream?
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Post by Marked Ox on Nov 29, 2017 13:36:59 GMT
Mr Trump, leader of the world's most powerful country, has excelled himself by re-tweeting unverified, hugely inflammatory anti-Islamic videos first tweeted by Ms Fransen, deputy leader of Britain First. Ms Fransen is delighted, proclaiming God bless Mr Trump, God bless America. What a lovely couple they make. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663Britain First, a member of which murdered Jo Cox, whilst shouting "Britain First". And the President of the USA retweets them. Am I living in some weird dream? Sadly not.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 29, 2017 13:42:24 GMT
The devil does make work for idle thumbs doesn't he? I sometimes wonder if he does stuff like this just to annoy people or if he means it?
Earlier in the week he called Elizabeth Warren by her Republican nickname Pocahontas, which didn't resonate over here, but he got the reaction he desired from the Democrats and outlets such as CNN.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 29, 2017 13:45:10 GMT
Mr Trump, leader of the world's most powerful country, has excelled himself by re-tweeting unverified, hugely inflammatory anti-Islamic videos first tweeted by Ms Fransen, deputy leader of Britain First. Ms Fransen is delighted, proclaiming God bless Mr Trump, God bless America. What a lovely couple they make. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42166663Britain First, a member of which murdered Jo Cox, whilst shouting "Britain First". And the President of the USA retweets them. Am I living in some weird dream? Decision after decision by Trump makes any thinking person wonder whether he is mentally competent to lead the USA, and whether those 'advising' him have the interests of anyone else but themselves in mind. Unfortunately it's the ultimate power trip for him: running a country autocratically, as he might run a private business. Heard in a local pub: (to the effect of) 'We should have someone like Trump running this country. He talks straight and does what he says he's going to do.' Dear me.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 29, 2017 14:34:54 GMT
I sometimes wonder if he does stuff like this just to annoy people or if he means it? In either case it reflects very badly upon his willingness and ability to comprehend/research/be advised upon issues. I'm afraid that the man is an egotistical, ignorant, blowhard bigot and completely unsuitable to be leading a country of any size, never mind the USA.
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Post by tonyw on Nov 29, 2017 14:37:07 GMT
The devil does make work for idle thumbs doesn't he? I sometimes wonder if he does stuff like this just to annoy people or if he means it? Earlier in the week he called Elizabeth Warren by her Republican nickname Pocahontas, which didn't resonate over here, but he got the reaction he desired from the Democrats and outlets such as CNN. He didn't just call Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas - he took time out from a ceremony to honour Native American codetalker war heroes to take a random stab at Warren, for no apparent reason other than his brain linked the two and he can't go twenty minutes without trying to pick a fight with somebody. And didn't even get the 'joke' right (they call her Fauxcahontas, because earlier in her career she claimed Native American ancestry to improve her chances of getting a job at Harvard). I think - minus the crazy fringes - everyone in America has now reached the stage of accepting that Trump is a boorish, childish, thin-skinned neanderthal who really has no place anywhere near the White House. BUT when it comes to policy and governance, whilst he's achieving almost nothing - a chunk of America will view this as a good thing, because it means the business community and industry are getting on with things free of government interference. It's likely to be bad for equality, bad for the poor and bad for the environment but it could lead to big economic growth. And that in itself might just get him reelected, depending on who the Dems can find to oppose him.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 29, 2017 15:39:49 GMT
The devil does make work for idle thumbs doesn't he? I sometimes wonder if he does stuff like this just to annoy people or if he means it? Earlier in the week he called Elizabeth Warren by her Republican nickname Pocahontas, which didn't resonate over here, but he got the reaction he desired from the Democrats and outlets such as CNN. He didn't just call Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas - he took time out from a ceremony to honour Native American codetalker war heroes to take a random stab at Warren, for no apparent reason other than his brain linked the two and he can't go twenty minutes without trying to pick a fight with somebody. And didn't even get the 'joke' right (they call her Fauxcahontas, because earlier in her career she claimed Native American ancestry to improve her chances of getting a job at Harvard). I think - minus the crazy fringes - everyone in America has now reached the stage of accepting that Trump is a boorish, childish, thin-skinned neanderthal who really has no place anywhere near the White House. BUT when it comes to policy and governance, whilst he's achieving almost nothing - a chunk of America will view this as a good thing, because it means the business community and industry are getting on with things free of government interference. It's likely to be bad for equality, bad for the poor and bad for the environment but it could lead to big economic growth. And that in itself might just get him reelected, depending on who the Dems can find to oppose him. When I saw the clip, it was quite something. I know he can't stand Elizabeth Warren, but the time and place was, erm, interesting. I suppose he thought the "real" Native Americans would appreciate the dig at Warren. Regardless, it's something at worst to be kept in private. The last paragraph is interesting. Through friends on social media and other places, I see a lot of different opinions on Trump. There are those that can't stand him and perhaps more interesting are the different supporters who see stuff like Weinstein and Conyers, or fossil fuels/keystone pipeline to point out that Dems are worse or that Trump is getting stuff done where Obama didn't. The fact zero has gone through to legislation seems irrelevant to them because Obama didn't do that either and everyone loved him right? I don't see a Dem that will cope with Trump at the moment. It's the same way Trump won the Republican vote. Nothing Republican could get near Obama or Clinton.
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Post by unification on Nov 29, 2017 16:10:17 GMT
The usual rules of diplomacy go out of the window with Donald Trump. Even some of the most despised despots who have lead countries have acted with some level of statesmanship – Trump doesn’t. To many that’s refreshing and takes politics into a different direction. To anyone with even mild intelligence, they see him for what he is – a media personality who is blind to any criticism and if he shouts something enough it must be true.
Take the retweeting of the Britain First videos today. No checks made by him about whether the content was true, no thought to whoever had shared them. They fitted his agenda so he went with it. He then has the gall to proclaim ‘fake news!’ again against CNN a few tweets later! The irony would be lost on him as he simply doesn’t understand it, not embarrassed or ashamed by it.
Jeremy Corbyn’s longstanding view on solving problems in the Middle East has been diplomacy including opening dialogues with ISIS which he’s been criticised for. Many may laugh at that as an approach, but imagine anyone trying to get any sense into Trump through conversation? He’s a narcissistic, conceited firebrand and bully whose hubris could take the world to the very edge.
Having a chat with fundamental Islamic terrorists looks like a walk in the park when compared to trying to persuade Trump not to fire a nuke at North Korea.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 29, 2017 16:19:24 GMT
There are those that can't stand him and perhaps more interesting are the different supporters who see stuff like Weinstein and Conyers, or fossil fuels/keystone pipeline to point out that Dems are worse or that Trump is getting stuff done where Obama didn't. The fact zero has gone through to legislation seems irrelevant to them because Obama didn't do that either and everyone loved him right? And this is the frustrating bit about any 'political' discussion. Some will always support Trump as being 'better than the Democratic alternative', whatever he does or says. Personally, the fact he's a rabid right winger is not appealing to me, but my main objection is that he comes across as a horrible human being, and if a Democrat president acted in the same way I would have no truck with them either. His actions, in my opinion, go beyond politics and should be regarded as unacceptable.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 29, 2017 17:24:51 GMT
There are those that can't stand him and perhaps more interesting are the different supporters who see stuff like Weinstein and Conyers, or fossil fuels/keystone pipeline to point out that Dems are worse or that Trump is getting stuff done where Obama didn't. The fact zero has gone through to legislation seems irrelevant to them because Obama didn't do that either and everyone loved him right? And this is the frustrating bit about any 'political' discussion. Some will always support Trump as being 'better than the Democratic alternative', whatever he does or says. Personally, the fact he's a rabid right winger is not appealing to me, but my main objection is that he comes across as a horrible human being, and if a Democrat president acted in the same way I would have no truck with them either.His actions, in my opinion, go beyond politics and should be regarded as unacceptable. The interesting part is, a lot of his policies last year were more traditionally democratic/left wing than right wing (but Clinton was further to left) -I saw plenty of chat saying he was a Democrat running as a Republican. It's incredibly hard to believe given some of his twittering, but there was a lot of concern in the Republican party up to the election that he wasn't right wing enough for the core vote for it to mobilise and then vote for him! It's amazing to think that. What is frustrating, when he was in Asia he looked and acted presidential. As soon as he got home, the old Donald returned. The fact he ignored Eminem showed restraint that he's not shown ever.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 29, 2017 17:28:07 GMT
The usual rules of diplomacy go out of the window with Donald Trump. Even some of the most despised despots who have lead countries have acted with some level of statesmanship – Trump doesn’t. To many that’s refreshing and takes politics into a different direction. To anyone with even mild intelligence, they see him for what he is – a media personality who is blind to any criticism and if he shouts something enough it must be true. Take the retweeting of the Britain First videos today. No checks made by him about whether the content was true, no thought to whoever had shared them. They fitted his agenda so he went with it. He then has the gall to proclaim ‘fake news!’ again against CNN a few tweets later! The irony would be lost on him as he simply doesn’t understand it, not embarrassed or ashamed by it. Jeremy Corbyn’s longstanding view on solving problems in the Middle East has been diplomacy including opening dialogues with ISIS which he’s been criticised for. Many may laugh at that as an approach, but imagine anyone trying to get any sense into Trump through conversation? He’s a narcissistic, conceited firebrand and bully whose hubris could take the world to the very edge. Having a chat with fundamental Islamic terrorists looks like a walk in the park when compared to trying to persuade Trump not to fire a nuke at North Korea.Trump is a sales person who finds an extreme point to negotiate back from, with his ideal in that slot. I would be amazed if he got near launching a nuke at NK but he wants people to believe he will. As far as I can tell, Trump is a massive bullshitter whose bark is far worse than the bite. If you can take a step back, it's quite fascinating to watch people fall for it time and time again.
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 29, 2017 19:06:45 GMT
This is the worst thing he has done in my opinion.
Imagine if Theresa May retweeted something from the KKK.
Disgusting.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 30, 2017 8:04:30 GMT
And Trump has a pop at May over the "radical islamic terrorism" that is in the UK rather than criticising him. He isn't going down quietly.
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Post by flean on Nov 30, 2017 8:07:06 GMT
Is this really happening? When will it end?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 30, 2017 8:09:22 GMT
2021 or 2025, depending on if the Democrat party can find someone to run against him. Like the herpes virus, he isn't going away
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Post by Pete Burrett on Nov 30, 2017 8:34:34 GMT
He just can’t keep his gob shut, can he? Britain should work to control ‘our’ Muslim terrorists, eh? How about controlling mass murder by gun in your own hypocritical country Trump?
He’s like a child tweeting his sulky thoughts to the world.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 30, 2017 13:46:58 GMT
I sometimes wonder if people ignored Trump, whether he'd get bored with the lack of attention and headlines (eventually) and not as such go away, but regress back to a better norm. If your ego demands top billing on the daily news cycle and you know you can get it, Trump is getting what he wants right now.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 30, 2017 14:03:53 GMT
I sometimes wonder if people ignored Trump, whether he'd get bored with the lack of attention and headlines (eventually) and not as such go away, but regress back to a better norm. If your ego demands top billing on the daily news cycle and you know you can get it, Trump is getting what he wants right now. I suspect exactly the opposite would happen. His childish posts would just get more extreme - and no news media is going to ignore the outbursts of an American president whose grip on reality (not to mention commonsense and common decency) seems to be shakier every day.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Nov 30, 2017 16:53:25 GMT
I sometimes wonder if people ignored Trump, whether he'd get bored with the lack of attention and headlines (eventually) and not as such go away, but regress back to a better norm. If your ego demands top billing on the daily news cycle and you know you can get it, Trump is getting what he wants right now. I suspect exactly the opposite would happen. His childish posts would just get more extreme - and no news media is going to ignore the outbursts of an American president whose grip on reality (not to mention commonsense and common decency) seems to be shakier every day. But that's the whole point of it. If people took a breath and just let it go no matter how silly he got, he'd get the message (eventually). He knows that people love to hate him and crave him tweeting so they can get outraged, which is great for his ego! The pied piper of Twitter!
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Post by Marked Ox on Nov 30, 2017 17:52:25 GMT
I sometimes wonder if people ignored Trump, whether he'd get bored with the lack of attention and headlines (eventually) and not as such go away, but regress back to a better norm. If your ego demands top billing on the daily news cycle and you know you can get it, Trump is getting what he wants right now. I suspect exactly the opposite would happen. His childish posts would just get more extreme - and no news media is going to ignore the outbursts of an American president whose grip on reality (not to mention commonsense and common decency) seems to be shakier every day. Agreed. He'd probably nuke North Korea to be centre of attention again.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Nov 30, 2017 22:04:22 GMT
I suspect exactly the opposite would happen. His childish posts would just get more extreme - and no news media is going to ignore the outbursts of an American president whose grip on reality (not to mention commonsense and common decency) seems to be shakier every day. But that's the whole point of it. If people took a breath and just let it go no matter how silly he got, he'd get the message (eventually). He knows that people love to hate him and crave him tweeting so they can get outraged, which is great for his ego! The pied piper of Twitter! As I said - he is the president of one of the worlds most influential countries. Do you really think that worldwide news outlets, the twitterati and commentators everywhere will really 'take a breath and let it go'? I do agree that this is all to feed his own ego - I think the best we can hope for is that a) he isn't allowed actually DO anything that causes too many people too much harm and b) he decides the presidency is too much bother and people aren't 'respecting' him enough and concludes that one term is enough.
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Post by concretebob on Nov 30, 2017 22:22:05 GMT
Oh for the days of George W Bush dragging us into two unwinnable wars...
As for his state visit - how about no one turns up to see him? Then he won't be the centre of attention. He would spin any protest against him into some warped propaganda.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 1, 2017 8:49:34 GMT
But that's the whole point of it. If people took a breath and just let it go no matter how silly he got, he'd get the message (eventually). He knows that people love to hate him and crave him tweeting so they can get outraged, which is great for his ego! The pied piper of Twitter! As I said - he is the president of one of the worlds most influential countries. Do you really think that worldwide news outlets, the twitterati and commentators everywhere will really 'take a breath and let it go'? I do agree that this is all to feed his own ego - I think the best we can hope for is that a) he isn't allowed actually DO anything that causes too many people too much harm and b) he decides the presidency is too much bother and people aren't 'respecting' him enough and concludes that one term is enough. They won't let it go, which only legitimises his attitude (in his head). When he was in Asia, all stupidity (from both sides) largely disappeared and the media did their job and Trump did his. So it's possible everyone to grow up. I wish they would - tweeting Britain First isn't the way to do it. Other than talk a lot. What has he actually done? A half arsed travel ban and dropping a massive bomb on Afghanistan. Can't think of anything more concrete than that, other than keeping newspapers going or increase in the stock market.
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Post by Marked Ox on Dec 5, 2017 22:33:03 GMT
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Post by Pete Burrett on Dec 6, 2017 10:39:37 GMT
I'm really at the stage where words fail me.
Another act of stupidity by the world's leader. Can he and his 'advisors' really not see how incendiary this could be? Do they care?
This is probably far too extreme an observation, but is this Trump displaying (once again) a deep-rooted hatred of and disrespect for Muslims?
Does he appreciate how many Muslim countries he could alienate?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Dec 6, 2017 13:20:58 GMT
It seems there is a Jerusalem Embassy Act (1995) and this in part, but just a part, behind the decision. Or a convenient legislative vehicle.
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