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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 16, 2017 20:48:03 GMT
Some of this is getting a bit far fetched with Trump. It's hard to support such a stupid bell end, but the desperation to rake over anything and everything to get rid of him is quite sad. Democracy in action... It makes me wonder how Clinton got away with her email server scot free. It probably cost her the election - and given that these investigations are about power above all else, that's really the biggest penalty she could've faced. Even Nixon didn't get criminally prosecuted. What's going on isn't particularly unusual either. When Ken Starr was investigating Bill, it started out life as a probe into Whitewater, and ended up nailing him on 'sexual relations' with Lewinsky. Trump is not even close to being the first US president to face this kind of witch hunt. That it most certainly did. Comey's indecision and back covering was the final nail in her campaign. I agree on Slick Willy - it's just sad that people can lay down any old unsubstantiated stuff at people and reputations are led through the mud. My gut feel there is other stuff with Trump that is there, but the Russian obsession will effectively turn people off of anything more deeper or ruin the FBIs and medias reputation. If they waited long enough, he may well incriminate himself without the need to waste public money.
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Post by tonyw on Jun 16, 2017 20:58:23 GMT
My gut feel there is other stuff with Trump that is there, but the Russian obsession will effectively turn people off of anything more deeper or ruin the FBIs and medias reputation. If they waited long enough, he may well incriminate himself without the need to waste public money. It doesn't excuse a witch hunt - but I do think gut feel has a large part to play here. A lot of people on the left didn't like Dubya, and a lot on the right didn't like Obama - but neither had to go through similar, because people had this gut sense that they were probably pretty straight; the focus on both was therefore on their deficiencies in how they executed in office. With Trump - like Clinton before him - there's an overriding sense that he probably is crooked, so stuff is going to be continually thrown at him until he's had enough and quits or something sticks. It ain't right, but it's sadly the way the world works nowadays.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 16, 2017 21:06:31 GMT
Was just watching Have I Got News For You. They featured a Trump cabinet meeting. I couldn't quite believe what I was seeing.
Each cabinet member in turn had to give their thanks to Trump for sorting out the USA or just generally being a great man. As one finished he nodded his approval then his gaze moved on to the next, and so it went on.
Maybe each cabinet member really meant what they were saying. If they didn't, where's their self-respect? It looked and sounded like a cult.
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jun 16, 2017 21:32:36 GMT
Yes I just saw that. Both bizarre and worrying. He has obviously just installed a load of yes men (and women) to pander to his vastly inflated ego.
What would Kim Jong Un look like in a badly fitting blonde syrup?!
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 16, 2017 21:36:22 GMT
Trump's approval rating with likely voters is now 50% according to Rasmussen. 50% also disapprove of him. So there you go
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jun 16, 2017 21:38:56 GMT
Trump's approval rating with likely voters is now 50% according to Rasmussen. 50% also disapprove of him. So there you go 'So there you go'?
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 16, 2017 21:41:41 GMT
Trump's approval rating with likely voters is now 50% according to Rasmussen. 50% also disapprove of him. So there you go Must admit, my first thought was 'so what?' My second thought was 'no-one couldn't care less or is uncertain? Sounds unlikely!'
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Post by ZeroTheHero on Jun 16, 2017 21:49:22 GMT
Or, in the world of alternative facts, you could look at the Gallup site: www.gallup.com/poll/212120/trump-approval-edges-down-new-weekly-low.aspxSome quotes from there: "This rating is one percentage point below the previous week's rating and is the lowest weekly average of his administration. His disapproval rating for the same week, 58%, was his highest to date." "Trump continues to have the lowest ratings for a newly elected president in Gallup's history of approval ratings."
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 16, 2017 23:00:47 GMT
Considering his approval rating as been in the 30s and low 40s since election day, it's quite a step up to be purely 50/50 and just half of America not approving of him. I saw that Slick Willy had some rather low ratings when he got elected as well.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 17, 2017 9:22:36 GMT
Considering his approval rating as been in the 30s and low 40s since election day, it's quite a step up to be purely 50/50 and just half of America not approving of him. I saw that Slick Willy had some rather low ratings when he got elected as well. projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/Here are recent poll results. You've chosen the very best, and even then not the statistically adjusted version.
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Post by headingtonutd on Jun 17, 2017 11:27:39 GMT
Considering his approval rating as been in the 30s and low 40s since election day, it's quite a step up to be purely 50/50 and just half of America not approving of him. I saw that Slick Willy had some rather low ratings when he got elected as well. His approval rating is in the 30's to low 40's
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 17, 2017 12:16:35 GMT
Considering his approval rating as been in the 30s and low 40s since election day, it's quite a step up to be purely 50/50 and just half of America not approving of him. I saw that Slick Willy had some rather low ratings when he got elected as well. projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/Here are recent poll results. You've chosen the very best, and even then not the statistically adjusted version. At least one set of people don't despise him. Progress for Donald
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 17, 2017 21:01:27 GMT
At least one set of people don't despise him. Progress for Donald In the walk from Ape to Man, Trump has just learnt to take his arms off of the floor. A long way to go to before he can walk like an egyptian.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 21, 2017 20:46:30 GMT
The Republicans won again last night, so maybe the 50/50 approval rating is nearer the truth?
I jest. The Dems spent nearly $24- million to not win last night, with lots of Hollywood endorsements with that money. Clearly something is off between big liberal markets and everywhere else in the US.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 22, 2017 9:58:30 GMT
Trump has solved the funding issue for his wall with HIS idea*, it is going to be covered in solar panels.
*Never mind that it was a contractor who proposed it in their design rather than Trump.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 22, 2017 12:08:16 GMT
Removing the ginger quiff from the equation, it's actually a pretty good idea. 2 birds with 1 stone.
I'm sure using solar panels in that manner will go down like a bag of cold sick in some circles though.
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Post by winchesterox on Jun 22, 2017 12:16:19 GMT
If the wall is designed to stop naughty Mexicans from crossing the border, it might just do this. But won't the naughty boys nick the solar panels and sell them? If they cannot reach, will they just vandalise them.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 22, 2017 12:27:28 GMT
If the wall is designed to stop naughty Mexicans from crossing the border, it might just do this. But won't the naughty boys nick the solar panels and sell them? If they cannot reach, will they just vandalise them. The wall won't stop naughty mexicans anyway as they already tunnel under the existing fences.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 22, 2017 12:32:33 GMT
I wonder if Trump will try and sell the electricity back to Mexico?
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 22, 2017 13:55:01 GMT
I wonder if Trump will try and sell the electricity back to Mexico? That would tally with his comments about getting the Mexicans to pay for it. ) Seriously they'd get more selling the electricity in the US I reckon.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 22, 2017 16:29:45 GMT
I wonder if Trump will try and sell the electricity back to Mexico? That would tally with his comments about getting the Mexicans to pay for it. ) Seriously they'd get more selling the electricity in the US I reckon. And it would help them comply with the Paris Agreement if they were still in it.
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Post by tonyw on Jun 22, 2017 17:01:35 GMT
The Republicans won again last night, so maybe the 50/50 approval rating is nearer the truth? I jest. The Dems spent nearly $24- million to not win last night, with lots of Hollywood endorsements with that money. Clearly something is off between big liberal markets and everywhere else in the US. This doesn't really apply to Georgia 6 - because as a state, Georgia's districts are drawn up relatively fairly. The Republicans won there on Tuesday because Georgia 6 is a solidly red seat in a solidly red state...... .....But in general House elections are a poor way of measuring the US' political temperature. And for one reason in particular - Gerrymandering. I could write pages and pages on the subject, but instead it's probably better for everyone that I just let John Oliver discuss it.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-4dIImaodQ Despite the fact that Congress had approval ratings in the 10-15% region going into the last elections, only 8 incumbents lost their seats. Which is thoroughly undemocratic and a direct consequence of letting politicians (on both sides of the aisle) choose their own voters.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 22, 2017 20:34:17 GMT
The Republicans won again last night, so maybe the 50/50 approval rating is nearer the truth? I jest. The Dems spent nearly $24- million to not win last night, with lots of Hollywood endorsements with that money. Clearly something is off between big liberal markets and everywhere else in the US. This doesn't really apply to Georgia 6 - because as a state, Georgia's districts are drawn up relatively fairly. The Republicans won there on Tuesday because Georgia 6 is a solidly red seat in a solidly red state...... .....But in general House elections are a poor way of measuring the US' political temperature. And for one reason in particular - Gerrymandering. I could write pages and pages on the subject, but instead it's probably better for everyone that I just let John Oliver discuss it.....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-4dIImaodQ Despite the fact that Congress had approval ratings in the 10-15% region going into the last elections, only 8 incumbents lost their seats. Which is thoroughly undemocratic and a direct consequence of letting politicians (on both sides of the aisle) choose their own voters. My only point is the hysteria over Trump in the media is that he is completely unappealing to the Republican brand let alone the Dems, because he is being impeached, in the pocket of Russia or whatever. But yet with that, the Dems still can't crack an election open, which is what is the oddest thing in it all. They are in prime Lib Dem protest vote territory. You'd think that the Dems would be taking advantage of Trump's incompetency and making even the smallest inroad into the Senate or House. They aren't. And I find it most odd. I suppose their lack of leadership isn't helping.
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Post by tonyw on Jun 22, 2017 21:19:11 GMT
My only point is the hysteria over Trump in the media is that he is completely unappealing to the Republican brand let alone the Dems, because he is being impeached, in the pocket of Russia or whatever. But yet with that, the Dems still can't crack an election open, which is what is the oddest thing in it all. They are in prime Lib Dem protest vote territory. You'd think that the Dems would be taking advantage of Trump's incompetency and making even the smallest inroad into the Senate or House. They aren't. And I find it most odd. I suppose their lack of leadership isn't helping. Lack of leadership certainly isn't helping. Nor is the US' strict adherence to a highly polarised two party system, whereby a staunch Republican/Democrat, even when they hate their own candidate, still hates the other side's candidate more. I guess what I was saying though is that there really haven't been that many opportunities for a protest vote. There hasn't been a Senate election since Trump came to power, and there's only going to be one before November 2018 - and that's in Alabama (good luck winning there, Democrats!) Similarly the five special House elections that have come up have been in partisan districts of partisan states (Montana, Kansas, Georgia and South Carolina for the Republicans, California for the Dems). They're like a bi-election in the UK coming up in Henley or Sunderland North. However much the party that is in power in those seats is screwing up, they're still unlikely to flip to the other side.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 22, 2017 21:41:09 GMT
Which in itself makes it curious why the Dems wasted so much money in Georgia. They clearly thought it was winnable, and were close.
When Trump starts rubbing it in to Nancy Pelosi's face, you knows she's done and the Dems need to get themselves sorted. I find it odd they are still so rudderless when the President lurches from crisis to crisis and is there for taking.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 23, 2017 11:33:14 GMT
Trump's bullying attempt of Comey with the reference to tape recordings of their conversations was all poor bluster and bluff then. So when he threatens again (and he will based on his personality) on a personal level to another individual he is a busted flush.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 23, 2017 12:31:10 GMT
I always assumed it was at Comey for recording stuff and not him, which shows the level of paranoia at the time over the White House being a leaking sieve of gossip.
I'd much rather he'd said nothing though.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 26, 2017 20:27:53 GMT
The Travel Ban has been partially reinstated by the Supreme Court at 9-0, which really surprises me. Even with the 5-4 Republican slant, I thought it would be left until later in the year to be officially resolved. I'm sure Trump is cockahoop right now
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 27, 2017 9:06:29 GMT
While I'm not surprised it has been reinstated, at least partially, agree the 9-0 vote was a surprise.
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Post by rickyotto on Jun 27, 2017 11:39:09 GMT
I am not a Trump fan.
However living in the US and listening to / challenging intelligent Republican voters on their reasons for voting for him, it does moderate the level of contempt one might feel for the US electorate. There are two sides to every story and the European media certainly influences its population one way with rather slanted perspectives at times. Having said that someone should seriously close down that blokes Twitter account...he doesn't help himself.
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