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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 12, 2017 9:05:41 GMT
Trump apparently won't visit the UK unless the British public support him rather than protest. He'll never visit then.
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Post by Pete Burrett on Jun 12, 2017 9:20:07 GMT
Trump apparently won't visit the UK unless the British public support him rather than protest. He'll never visit then. From the BBC website (caveat: they're obviously left-leaning tree-huggers): The White House and Downing Street have denied US President Donald Trump wants to delay his state visit to the UK.It comes after the Guardian reported Mr Trump called Prime Minister Theresa May to say he did not want to visit until he had support from the British public.US administration officials have, however, told the BBC the president "does not feel like" visiting the UK any time soon.Mr Trump was invited for the state visit by the Queen.Downing Street says there has been "no change" to his planned trip.Mr Trump came in for criticism after attacking London Mayor Sadiq Khan over his response to the recent terror attacks.Mr Khan had told the public they should not be alarmed at the increased police presence on the streets after the attacks on London Bridge and at Borough Market. But Mr Trump then accused him via Twitter of making "pathetic excuses".
Poor Donald 'doesn't feel like' visiting. Sounds like a sulky teenager. Trump's still not been big enough to back track on his criticism of Sadiq Khan. (Elephant in the room: Mr Khan's a Muslim). I wonder if that's why he doesn't want to visit? Or maybe the official line is correct and we can all enjoy his wisdom (tweets) as he swans around London.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 12, 2017 9:27:49 GMT
Mr Trump was invited for the state visit by the Queen. Like she was really up for that. Story is she was not amused but constitutionally unable to avoid formally issuing the offer.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 12, 2017 10:32:49 GMT
Trump apparently won't visit the UK unless the British public support him rather than protest. He'll never visit then. From the BBC website (caveat: they're obviously left-leaning tree-huggers): The White House and Downing Street have denied US President Donald Trump wants to delay his state visit to the UK.It comes after the Guardian reported Mr Trump called Prime Minister Theresa May to say he did not want to visit until he had support from the British public.US administration officials have, however, told the BBC the president "does not feel like" visiting the UK any time soon.Mr Trump was invited for the state visit by the Queen.Downing Street says there has been "no change" to his planned trip.Mr Trump came in for criticism after attacking London Mayor Sadiq Khan over his response to the recent terror attacks.Mr Khan had told the public they should not be alarmed at the increased police presence on the streets after the attacks on London Bridge and at Borough Market. But Mr Trump then accused him via Twitter of making "pathetic excuses".
Poor Donald 'doesn't feel like' visiting. Sounds like a sulky teenager. Trump's still not been big enough to back track on his criticism of Sadiq Khan. (Elephant in the room: Mr Khan's a Muslim). I wonder if that's why he doesn't want to visit? Or maybe the official line is correct and we can all enjoy his wisdom (tweets) as he swans around London.
What are the odds he'll be mysteriously ill or something significant happens that means it doesn't happen?
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Post by winchesterox on Jun 12, 2017 11:33:08 GMT
Awaiting the tweet which says that the Donald doesn't like the Brits any more and that they can get to the back of the queue when it comes to doing a trade deal.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 13, 2017 13:42:22 GMT
Not a good few days for Trump:
The states of Maryland and Washington DC are bringing lawsuits against Trump for accepting payments from foreign governments via his business empire. Forbidden under the Constitution if the states prove their cases.
A US Appeals Court have upheld a block on Trump's travel ban. So it is onwards to the Supreme Court for a decision.
Some of his conservative allies are clearly getting nervous about the Special Counsel, Robert Mueller and his investigation including the team he is putting together for it. They are urging he be sacked by Trump ignoring the fact he can't sack him but could Trump could pressure Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to sack him. According to a long time friend Trump is considering trying to get him sacked. This could be ominous for Trump if it happened from what I've read as it could lead to renewed calls for impeachment for obstruction of justice.
US Attorney General Jeff Sessions, appointed by Trump, is facing the Senate Intelligence Committee today. He will have some difficult questions around Comey and his meetings with the Russian Ambassador.
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Post by gofish2 on Jun 13, 2017 13:45:36 GMT
This rather self propelling catalogue of inept actions from DT has only one conclusion, impeachment.
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Post by headingtonutd on Jun 13, 2017 13:53:09 GMT
Not a good few days for Trump: The states of Maryland and Washington DC are bringing lawsuits against Trump for accepting payments from foreign governments via his business empire. Forbidden under the Constitution if the states prove their cases. A US Appeals Court have upheld a block on Trump's travel ban. So it is onwards to the Supreme Court for a decision. Some of his conservative allies are clearly getting nervous about the Special Counsel, Robert Mueller and his investigation including the team he is putting together for it. They are urging he be sacked by Trump ignoring the fact he can't sack him but could Trump could pressure Deputy Attorney General Rod Eisenstein to sack him. According to a long time friend Trump is considering trying to get him sacked. This could be ominous for Trump if it happened from what I've read as it could lead to renewed calls for impeachment for obstruction of justice. US Attorney General Jeff Sessions, appointed by Trump, is facing the Senate Intelligence Committee today. He will have some difficult questions around Comey and his meetings with the Russian Ambassador. I had been reading much the same. Interesting stuff indeed. Bush Jr, Obama and Clinton for all their differing failures and shortcomings had respect for the position of president and the importance of it's standing. Trump seems to treat it in the same manner he does his business standing and celebrity, a stick to hit people with or to dazzle them with (or 'grab their pussy' apparently). I just can't see him lasting his term.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 13, 2017 14:06:07 GMT
It was interesting to see that Comey admitted Trump had no connections to Russia, no matter what the WaPo had been alluding to for months.
I think the states will have trouble empirically proving their cases but the PR factor is worth the gamble. Trump is pretty powerless now it's out there.
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 13, 2017 14:21:19 GMT
It was interesting to see that Comey admitted Trump had no connections to Russia, no matter what the WaPo had been alluding to for months. Not sure that's what he said. I understood that Comey, when repeatedly urged by Trump to say he had no connections to Russia, was that (paraphrased) [to date nothing had been found that led directly to Grump] and that by definition ]the ongoing inquiries (the ones Frump wanted him to can) were designed to test whether this is / was the case.] I maybe wrong, but no way was Comey exonerating Prump.
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Post by headingtonutd on Jun 13, 2017 14:39:12 GMT
It was interesting to see that Comey admitted Trump had no connections to Russia, no matter what the WaPo had been alluding to for months. Not sure that's what he said. I understood that Comey, when repeatedly urged by Trump to say he had no connections to Russia, was that (paraphrased) [to date nothing had been found that led directly to Grump] and that by definition ]the ongoing inquiries (the ones Frump wanted him to can) were designed to test whether this is / was the case.] I maybe wrong, but no way was Comey exonerating Prump. Agreed, I think you'd do well to paint Trump at the victim here. He made hay with (and encouraged) the investigation into Hillary pre election by the very same man. You can't have it both ways. The Americans are very weary of weakening the standing of the position of president so this may not go after Trump as hard but the man himself is twittering away that standing on a daily basis so who knows?
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 13, 2017 16:38:23 GMT
The moderate Republicans in Congress and some of the conservative Republicans must be cringing just about everyday. How long will they put up with this almost daily circus? John McCain has been outspoken as have plenty of others but in the long term if it continues then it will only harm their party*.
*I'm certain the more conservative voters will stick with the party but I think those who move vote between both main parties could well be pushed towards the Democrats in future.
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Post by tonyw on Jun 13, 2017 17:15:30 GMT
The moderate Republicans in Congress and some of the conservative Republicans must be cringing just about everyday. How long will they put up with this almost daily circus? John McCain has been outspoken as have plenty of others but in the long term if it continues then it will only harm their party*. *I'm certain the more conservative voters will stick with the party but I think those who move vote between both main parties could well be pushed towards the Democrats in future. I regularly read some of the more conservative blogs/websites like RedState. I always find it important to seek at least some opinion that is different from my own instinctual reaction. Whilst applauding some of his decisions (like appointing Gorsuch to the Supreme Court), for the most part they despise Trump, and are distancing themselves from his presidency, and the Republican Party in general. There is growing talk of a new third party movement. In part, this is because of his personal behaviour (past and present), and inability to effectively wield the power of the office - despite a Republican House and a Republican Senate, he's basically not managed to get anything done in his first six months because he has zero skill in political diplomacy and consensus building. And in part, it's because they don't fundamentally believe he is Conservative. They see a Big Government Liberal with a few populist talking points on immigration and trade, who took the most personally expedient route to power. The only people that really support Trump are the 'alt-right'. Socially conservative, isolationists on migration and trade, but favouring government engagement and investment in US jobs and infrastructure. There's very, very few of those in Congress.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 13, 2017 17:31:18 GMT
The moderate Republicans in Congress and some of the conservative Republicans must be cringing just about everyday. How long will they put up with this almost daily circus? John McCain has been outspoken as have plenty of others but in the long term if it continues then it will only harm their party*. *I'm certain the more conservative voters will stick with the party but I think those who move vote between both main parties could well be pushed towards the Democrats in future. I regularly read some of the more conservative blogs/websites like RedState. I always find it important to seek at least some opinion that is different from my own instinctual reaction. Whilst applauding some of his decisions (like appointing Gorsuch to the Supreme Court), for the most part they despise Trump, and are distancing themselves from his presidency, and the Republican Party in general. There is growing talk of a new third party movement. In part, this is because of his personal behaviour (past and present), and inability to effectively wield the power of the office - despite a Republican House and a Republican Senate, he's basically not managed to get anything done in his first six months because he has zero skill in political diplomacy and consensus building. And in part, it's because they don't fundamentally believe he is Conservative. They see a Big Government Liberal with a few populist talking points on immigration and trade, who took the most personally expedient route to power. The only people that really support Trump are the 'alt-right'. Socially conservative, isolationists on migration and trade, but favouring government engagement and investment in US jobs and infrastructure. There's very, very few of those in Congress. Ah, a useful summary on the conservatives. So could Trump fundamentally split the Republican Party?
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Post by tonyw on Jun 13, 2017 17:38:31 GMT
Ah, a useful summary on the conservatives. So could Trump fundamentally split the Republican Party? Honestly, the US is so wedded to two party politics that ultimately in 4/8 years time, I suspect the Republicans will find a way to nominate some more establishment figure. And they'll brush the whole Trump era under the carpet and try to forget it ever happened. Then the Alt-right will go back to being what it was before. A loud, brash group of outsiders.....that will still vote Republican because they hate the lefty Democrats.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 13, 2017 20:49:29 GMT
It was interesting to see that Comey admitted Trump had no connections to Russia, no matter what the WaPo had been alluding to for months. Not sure that's what he said. I understood that Comey, when repeatedly urged by Trump to say he had no connections to Russia, was that (paraphrased) [to date nothing had been found that led directly to Grump] and that by definition ]the ongoing inquiries (the ones Frump wanted him to can) were designed to test whether this is / was the case.] I maybe wrong, but no way was Comey exonerating Prump. He certainly repeated the findings elsewhere that there was nothing relating to Trump. Which was something that some people have been praying for. Right now, the whole impeachment wish is in a galaxy far, far away. What is interesting in the other direction is the breadcrumb trail leading to Comey as the man behind some of the leaks. Pinch of salt, but interesting nonetheless. Both sides are playing dirty as hell
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Post by winchesterox on Jun 13, 2017 21:54:44 GMT
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 14, 2017 13:11:44 GMT
Nearly 200 Democrats have launched a lawsuit against Donald Trump for receiving foreign payments along the lines of those already filed by Maryland and Columbia. This is on top of all the other legal investigations going on at State and Federal levels.
A senior Republican Steve Scalise, a House of Representatives Majority Whip, was shot (reportedly in the hip) in an attack in which 4 aides got shot as well. Reports of 50 to 100 bullets were shot from a rifle by the attacker/suspect. The attack happened at the Republican Baseball practice ahead of their game with the Democrats.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 14, 2017 20:52:49 GMT
The lawsuits are an interesting one. I was reading an article earlier where the comments were that they cannot bring a private lawsuit like that against their President and the chances of it being provable in court are going to be hard. Of course, taken with the usual scepticism. But depending where it gets, it could mean that Trump's tax returns could be involved as evidence which has been a long obsession for some. It does feel like a constant drip to get Trump out, regardless of whether he broke the law or not.
It looks like another left wing nut went on a rampage and tried to kill some Republicans this time. The nut on the Train was a well know Bernie Sanders supporter. Sadly, all sides have their idiots.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 15, 2017 14:11:52 GMT
According to US media, Trump is being investigated for obstruction of justice. Some reports are also suggesting that the FBI are looking at money laundering via off shore payments by Trump's associates as part of the Russia collusion investigation but this seems to be just what would be a standard part of the process.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 15, 2017 21:24:02 GMT
Some of this is getting a bit far fetched with Trump. It's hard to support such a stupid bell end, but the desperation to rake over anything and everything to get rid of him is quite sad. Democracy in action...
It makes me wonder how Clinton got away with her email server scot free.
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Post by headingtonutd on Jun 15, 2017 21:44:39 GMT
Some of this is getting a bit far fetched with Trump. It's hard to support such a stupid bell end, but the desperation to rake over anything and everything to get rid of him is quite sad. Democracy in action... It makes me wonder how Clinton got away with her email server scot free. You don't see the irony in all this? Trump was the one pushing for an investigation into Clinton right in the heart of the election race. He was full of praise for the man leading the investigation who he then sacked when he was investigating him? The Democrats can't instigate these investigations as you seem to suggest, it's the FBI. Clinton was found innocent of any charges but rightly warned over procedure when using email, hardly high treason. Trump, the president and his team are accused of colluding with the Russian government to influence the result of the presidential elections. He is also now being investigated for potential money laundering and financial gain from the Russians. Now I don't suggest for one minute that any of this has been proven but enough has been found to warrant this investigation from the FBI and for them to assemble a pretty heavy weight team to pursue it. Now you can't tell me that Clinton got of scot free being investigated in the last few weeks of the election and that Trump is being hard done by?
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 15, 2017 21:53:36 GMT
Both sides are equally as hypocritical over Comey as the other. It has been embarrassing to see them praise him and slag him in such short times based on who he criticises. Clinton was let off her peccadillo and a warning was frankly amazing considering she (and her staff) deleted evidence pertinent to an investigation! About as bad as you can get. Comey saying something that near to election was a massive indicator of something being off. Let alone the Clinton Foundation...
My point is there is a McCarthyist obsession with proving Trump to be a witch and people are desperate for as many dunkings as they can get through in the hope one time the witch sinks.
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Post by winchesterox on Jun 16, 2017 2:31:19 GMT
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Post by headingtonutd on Jun 16, 2017 7:48:48 GMT
Both sides are equally as hypocritical over Comey as the other. It has been embarrassing to see them praise him and slag him in such short times based on who he criticises. Clinton was let off her peccadillo and a warning was frankly amazing considering she (and her staff) deleted evidence pertinent to an investigation! About as bad as you can get. Comey saying something that near to election was a massive indicator of something being off. Let alone the Clinton Foundation... My point is there is a McCarthyist obsession with proving Trump to be a witch and people are desperate for as many dunkings as they can get through in the hope one time the witch sinks. You claim Clinton got off easy for being fully investigated at a time that seriously hurt her campaign and for an offence that is a speeding ticket compared to Trump's GBH. You then claim Trump is a victim of a which hunt because the FBI appear to have proven involvement of the Russian government in trying to influence the outcome of the election and have reason to believe Trump and his team were involved and that Trump may have been money laundering through Russia at the time. So one got off easy and one is a which hunt? When you put it that way I feel sorry for Trump, he's always seemed such a straight shooter to me. That nice Mr Putin too, what's this doing to his reputation??
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Post by Paul Cannell on Jun 16, 2017 8:44:52 GMT
There's a similar one in Private Eye latest issue titled "Donald / Duck". Works on the premise that if you turn Dump's head upside down he looks exactly like Donald Duck.
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Post by Marked Ox on Jun 16, 2017 11:27:25 GMT
Some of this is getting a bit far fetched with Trump. It's hard to support such a stupid bell end, but the desperation to rake over anything and everything to get rid of him is quite sad. Democracy in action... It makes me wonder how Clinton got away with her email server scot free. It is not that far fetched that Robert Mueller, the Special Counsel, has appointed a very experienced and top ranking investigating team that includes somebody who was involved in the Nixon investigation. If the talk of Trump wanting Mueller sacked is true, after Comey being sacked, how is that not trying to obstruct justice? Also, IF he is making money as President directly from foreign Govts which is against constitutional law then how is that 'anything and everything'? Those bringing actions are already claiming actual examples that his businesses are benefitting from income from foreign govts at the expense of rival businesses.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 16, 2017 12:54:47 GMT
Both sides are equally as hypocritical over Comey as the other. It has been embarrassing to see them praise him and slag him in such short times based on who he criticises. Clinton was let off her peccadillo and a warning was frankly amazing considering she (and her staff) deleted evidence pertinent to an investigation! About as bad as you can get. Comey saying something that near to election was a massive indicator of something being off. Let alone the Clinton Foundation... My point is there is a McCarthyist obsession with proving Trump to be a witch and people are desperate for as many dunkings as they can get through in the hope one time the witch sinks. You claim Clinton got off easy for being fully investigated at a time that seriously hurt her campaign and for an offence that is a speeding ticket compared to Trump's GBH. You then claim Trump is a victim of a which hunt because the FBI appear to have proven involvement of the Russian government in trying to influence the outcome of the election and have reason to believe Trump and his team were involved and that Trump may have been money laundering through Russia at the time. So one got off easy and one is a which hunt? When you put it that way I feel sorry for Trump, he's always seemed such a straight shooter to me. That nice Mr Putin too, what's this doing to his reputation? Clinton's team smashed phones and made them unusable - destroying Govt property and evidence. They bleached her email server to make unrecoverable - destroying evidence. If you or I did that, we'd be rightly up in our court for perverting the course of justice and obstructing an investigation. Those actions should concern most people that they were hiding something. So yeah, she got off very lightly indeed. Trump was investigated for collusion and nothing has been found (I thought there may be something minor, but there is nothing). So it's moved on to find something else. My point is if there is no evidence of money laundering, where next? There seems to be an obsession connecting Trump with Russia at all costs when there is no evidence that has been found in the past year and some stuff that has come out is like reading a Tom Clancy book. So far, there has been no proven Russian involvement in the US election. There are lots of anonymous sources and we believes, but little fact. If Russia did hack it, why would they leave a breadcrumb for the US to find? It makes no bloody sense. If you were looking to implicate someone, sure, there is a convenient line there. The best hackers leave no discernable trace, and the Russians ones are just that. Nigh on the best of the best.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Jun 16, 2017 13:03:32 GMT
Some of this is getting a bit far fetched with Trump. It's hard to support such a stupid bell end, but the desperation to rake over anything and everything to get rid of him is quite sad. Democracy in action... It makes me wonder how Clinton got away with her email server scot free. It is not that far fetched that Robert Mueller, the Special Counsel, has appointed a very experienced and top ranking investigating team that includes somebody who was involved in the Nixon investigation. If the talk of Trump wanting Mueller sacked is true, after Comey being sacked, how is that not trying to obstruct justice? Also, IF he is making money as President directly from foreign Govts which is against constitutional law then how is that 'anything and everything'? Those bringing actions are already claiming actual examples that his businesses are benefitting from income from foreign govts at the expense of rival businesses. Like anything with Trump, lots of WaPo/Other Media articles quoting anonymous sources in the White House that weeks later are proven to be fabricated or pumped up. Hence my high level of cynicism. I believe Trump is highly irritated that he is under investigation, but would he sack Mueller? That would give the Dems all they need. So until it's all over, Trump is gonna have to roll with it and thus Mueller will be there for however long it takes. IF. But it's going to be incredibly hard to prove and frankly, being US President is pretty much full on job. The only winners will be the lawyers. Would Trump have the time to do business with other countries and steal from other companies? Or are they using that silly hotel as a chance to implicitly gain favour with him by saying "oooh your hotel is nice"? Even if he sold the hotel last year, if people stayed there to gain perceptive favour, what can he do?
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Post by tonyw on Jun 16, 2017 17:58:45 GMT
Some of this is getting a bit far fetched with Trump. It's hard to support such a stupid bell end, but the desperation to rake over anything and everything to get rid of him is quite sad. Democracy in action... It makes me wonder how Clinton got away with her email server scot free. It probably cost her the election - and given that these investigations are about power above all else, that's really the biggest penalty she could've faced. Even Nixon didn't get criminally prosecuted. What's going on isn't particularly unusual either. When Ken Starr was investigating Bill, it started out life as a probe into Whitewater, and ended up nailing him on 'sexual relations' with Lewinsky. Trump is not even close to being the first US president to face this kind of witch hunt.
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