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Post by androidyellow2 on Jul 28, 2014 13:00:53 GMT
Wouldn't it be nice to bring Rob Hall and Ryan Williams back for a season! aha
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Post by myles on Jul 28, 2014 13:43:45 GMT
From the 2 or 3 attacking players that we've not yet signed. You're right that at the moment, we look light up front, but I would be astounded if we don't sign 2 or 3 attacking players and perhaps a loanee up front as well. I would be astounded as well. But by purely going on the information coming out of the club over the last week or so, you have to wonder if it is actually going to happen. We were told last week that they would bring in another 2-3 players, and two have come in. As they are on loan we may or may not be paying some or all of their wages, so they may or may not have an impact on the budget. It may be "painfully obvious" to some that we are going to be bringing in the attacking players that we need. But it has been painfully obvious since the end of last season that the big holes in our squad are in the forward line, yet we have seen money being spent on positions where we already have cover and a large off-field setup. And the indisputable fact remains that we are a week and a bit away from the start of the season and the squad is still painfully thin. As for androidyellow's suggestion of bringing Ryan Williams back for a season - that would be a very good move indeed.
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Post by tatabanya on Jul 28, 2014 13:52:11 GMT
From the 2 or 3 attacking players that we've not yet signed. You're right that at the moment, we look light up front, but I would be astounded if we don't sign 2 or 3 attacking players and perhaps a loanee up front as well. I would be astounded as well. But by purely going on the information coming out of the club over the last week or so, you have to wonder if it is actually going to happen. We were told last week that they would bring in another 2-3 players, and two have come in. As they are on loan we may or may not be paying some or all of their wages, so they may or may not have an impact on the budget. It may be "painfully obvious" to some that we are going to be bringing in the attacking players that we need. But it has been painfully obvious since the end of last season that the big holes in our squad are in the forward line, yet we have seen money being spent on positions where we already have cover and a large off-field setup. And the indisputable fact remains that we are a week and a bit away from the start of the season and the squad is still painfully thin. As for androidyellow's suggestion of bringing Ryan Williams back for a season - that would be a very good move indeed. But you focus on the 2 or 3 player quote from the other day. Appleton has said, since Riley signed, that; “We are getting there. There are two or three more players we have been speaking to who we believe would improve us as a group. The players we already have here have been first class in pre-season but you are always striving to improve and add competition so we will continue to work very hard on adding the right people to the squad before the season starts.” So two or three more, on top of Long and Riley. That was this said this morning. So the issues are obviously being addressed and not ignored.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 28, 2014 16:34:23 GMT
From the 2 or 3 attacking players that we've not yet signed. You're right that at the moment, we look light up front, but I would be astounded if we don't sign 2 or 3 attacking players and perhaps a loanee up front as well. I would be astounded as well. But by purely going on the information coming out of the club over the last week or so, you have to wonder if it is actually going to happen. We were told last week that they would bring in another 2-3 players, and two have come in. As they are on loan we may or may not be paying some or all of their wages, so they may or may not have an impact on the budget. It may be "painfully obvious" to some that we are going to be bringing in the attacking players that we need. But it has been painfully obvious since the end of last season that the big holes in our squad are in the forward line, yet we have seen money being spent on positions where we already have cover and a large off-field setup. And the indisputable fact remains that we are a week and a bit away from the start of the season and the squad is still painfully thin. As for androidyellow's suggestion of bringing Ryan Williams back for a season - that would be a very good move indeed. Actually as someone else point out it was in response to the question r u looking for strikers, the was was were looking at bringing in 2-3. So that could be just that department and not over all. I very much doubt we will only see a gk , rb and 1 other
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Post by taffyewe on Jul 28, 2014 16:50:34 GMT
I am much more concerned with the current owners spending. Paying up a 2 year contract for Gary Waddock, the cost of the additional backroom staff and it has just begun. Fine if the owners are coughing up the money, but if it is added to OUFC's debt then I am really worried. So just to help understanding, you do not want to see the spending we are seeing because it is likely to be increasing the debt, well of course it will be, I do not think there is huge expectation that Eales et al are paying for transfers out of their own pocket. It doesn't happen at Chelsea, Man Utd or pretty much anywhere so lets not expect it here. Would your preference to be no further signings and not increase the debt ? Just maybe in the short term they feel that the spending has to happen to encourage larger crowds and therefore its speculating to accumulate which I think it was most on here have been demanding for ages I am very concerned, not by spending but by wreckless spending. I have given some examples of wreckless spending and it is VERY early days. The biggest concern is having a club left in a few years. Are you telling me that there is no worry behind the excitement? Portsmouth, Leeds, etc are all victims of boards being way too flash with their cash. Ask those clubs fans if they would have swapped a few glorious years for long term stability and growing the club properly (fine examples are Southampton and Swansea). All I am saying is that this could go one of two ways. I just hope that the spending is not too lavish, but kept within our restrictions. I want success, but there are ways of doing it.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 28, 2014 16:57:16 GMT
So just to help understanding, you do not want to see the spending we are seeing because it is likely to be increasing the debt, well of course it will be, I do not think there is huge expectation that Eales et al are paying for transfers out of their own pocket. It doesn't happen at Chelsea, Man Utd or pretty much anywhere so lets not expect it here. Would your preference to be no further signings and not increase the debt ? Just maybe in the short term they feel that the spending has to happen to encourage larger crowds and therefore its speculating to accumulate which I think it was most on here have been demanding for ages I am very concerned, not by spending but by wreckless spending. I have given some examples of wreckless spending and it is VERY early days. The biggest concern is having a club left in a few years. Are you telling me that there is no worry behind the excitement? Portsmouth, Leeds, etc are all victims of boards being way too flash with their cash. Ask those clubs fans if they would have swapped a few glorious years for long term stability and growing the club properly (fine examples are Southampton and Swansea). All I am saying is that this could go one of two ways. I just hope that the spending is not too lavish, but kept within our restrictions. I want success, but there are ways of doing it. Can u tell us the amounts that r worrying u in the deals for a young gk and rb on loan then
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Post by rollsy on Jul 28, 2014 17:29:34 GMT
So just to help understanding, you do not want to see the spending we are seeing because it is likely to be increasing the debt, well of course it will be, I do not think there is huge expectation that Eales et al are paying for transfers out of their own pocket. It doesn't happen at Chelsea, Man Utd or pretty much anywhere so lets not expect it here. Would your preference to be no further signings and not increase the debt ? Just maybe in the short term they feel that the spending has to happen to encourage larger crowds and therefore its speculating to accumulate which I think it was most on here have been demanding for ages I am very concerned, not by spending but by wreckless spending. I have given some examples of wreckless spending and it is VERY early days. The biggest concern is having a club left in a few years. Are you telling me that there is no worry behind the excitement? Portsmouth, Leeds, etc are all victims of boards being way too flash with their cash. Ask those clubs fans if they would have swapped a few glorious years for long term stability and growing the club properly (fine examples are Southampton and Swansea). All I am saying is that this could go one of two ways. I just hope that the spending is not too lavish, but kept within our restrictions. I want success, but there are ways of doing it. Unfortunately we wont get a new stadium given to us by the council for peanuts like Swansea. And Southampton actually got back to the prem cos of a rich owner/family pumping in a lot of money. They was in league 1 and in admin before they pumped the money in.
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Post by taffyewe on Jul 28, 2014 17:53:51 GMT
I am very concerned, not by spending but by wreckless spending. I have given some examples of wreckless spending and it is VERY early days. The biggest concern is having a club left in a few years. Are you telling me that there is no worry behind the excitement? Portsmouth, Leeds, etc are all victims of boards being way too flash with their cash. Ask those clubs fans if they would have swapped a few glorious years for long term stability and growing the club properly (fine examples are Southampton and Swansea). All I am saying is that this could go one of two ways. I just hope that the spending is not too lavish, but kept within our restrictions. I want success, but there are ways of doing it. Can u tell us the amounts that r worrying u in the deals for a young gk and rb on loan then As mentioned a while back on this thread. Paying out Waddocks contract and the team behind the scenes that has grown. Very ambitious to have such a team in the background, but if we do not get promoted then where is the financing coming from? Crowds would probably dwindle next year (if they increase this year) unless the stadium is ours by then. Point is, most of the teams from league 2 that get promoted do not have such infrastructures. Why? because they are not actually required at this level. Maybe the league above, but then that is questionable. I am just trying to bring some reality to the situation and I am a very optimistic person but optimism should not blind reality.
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Post by yellowoptimist on Jul 28, 2014 17:55:16 GMT
Can u tell us the amounts that r worrying u in the deals for a young gk and rb on loan then As mentioned a while back on this thread. Paying out Waddocks contract and the team behind the scenes that has grown. Very ambitious to have such a team in the background, but if we do not get promoted then where is the financing coming from? Crowds would probably dwindle next year (if they increase this year) unless the stadium is ours by then. Point is, most of the teams from league 2 that get promoted do not have such infrastructures. Why? because they are not actually required at this level. Maybe the league above, but then that is questionable. I am just trying to bring some reality to the situation and I am a very optimistic person but optimism should not blind reality. You have no idea what the back room staff of other l2 clubs is like.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 28, 2014 17:55:25 GMT
Can u tell us the amounts that r worrying u in the deals for a young gk and rb on loan then As mentioned a while back on this thread. Paying out Waddocks contract and the team behind the scenes that has grown. Very ambitious to have such a team in the background, but if we do not get promoted then where is the financing coming from? Crowds would probably dwindle next year (if they increase this year) unless the stadium is ours by then. Point is, most of the teams from league 2 that get promoted do not have such infrastructures. Why? because they are not actually required at this level. Maybe the league above, but then that is questionable. I am just trying to bring some reality to the situation and I am a very optimistic person but optimism should not blind reality. Also some very decent teams like Chesterfield go up from this level then come straight back down as they don't have the infrastructure and backing to push on again
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Post by myles on Jul 28, 2014 18:00:29 GMT
As mentioned a while back on this thread. Paying out Waddocks contract and the team behind the scenes that has grown. Very ambitious to have such a team in the background, but if we do not get promoted then where is the financing coming from? Crowds would probably dwindle next year (if they increase this year) unless the stadium is ours by then. Point is, most of the teams from league 2 that get promoted do not have such infrastructures. Why? because they are not actually required at this level. Maybe the league above, but then that is questionable. I am just trying to bring some reality to the situation and I am a very optimistic person but optimism should not blind reality. Also some very decent teams like Chesterfield go up from this level then come straight back down as they don't have the infrastructure and backing to push on again And there are plenty others who go up and more than hold their own in League One without a Championship level backroom setup.
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Post by browny on Jul 28, 2014 18:11:12 GMT
So just to help understanding, you do not want to see the spending we are seeing because it is likely to be increasing the debt, well of course it will be, I do not think there is huge expectation that Eales et al are paying for transfers out of their own pocket. It doesn't happen at Chelsea, Man Utd or pretty much anywhere so lets not expect it here. Would your preference to be no further signings and not increase the debt ? Just maybe in the short term they feel that the spending has to happen to encourage larger crowds and therefore its speculating to accumulate which I think it was most on here have been demanding for ages I am very concerned, not by spending but by wreckless spending. I have given some examples of wreckless spending and it is VERY early days. The biggest concern is having a club left in a few years. Are you telling me that there is no worry behind the excitement? Portsmouth, Leeds, etc are all victims of boards being way too flash with their cash. Ask those clubs fans if they would have swapped a few glorious years for long term stability and growing the club properly (fine examples are Southampton and Swansea). All I am saying is that this could go one of two ways. I just hope that the spending is not too lavish, but kept within our restrictions. I want success, but there are ways of doing it. Fair enough, that clears up your view So how would you do it then if the way its being done is the wrong way ? Do I think we are even scratching the surface of a Portsmouth or Leeds, good god know. I think what is happening is exactly what many have being going on about for years. How many times have we read that our coaching staff are not good enough, so Melville has gone and a top notch coach has come in..................exactly what many have asked for Still I would be fascinated by your view and please don't say the owners should fund it out of their own pockets because it doesn't work like that anywhere except Fleetwood and Eastleigh
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 28, 2014 18:11:23 GMT
Also some very decent teams like Chesterfield go up from this level then come straight back down as they don't have the infrastructure and backing to push on again And there are plenty others who go up and more than hold their own in League One without a Championship level backroom setup. Well we've tried to for four years and it ain't worked. So let's give it a go
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Post by yellowoptimist on Jul 28, 2014 18:22:41 GMT
Also some very decent teams like Chesterfield go up from this level then come straight back down as they don't have the infrastructure and backing to push on again And there are plenty others who go up and more than hold their own in League One without a Championship level backroom setup. I have no idea where this championship level back room staff claim Comes from? On top of last year we have a performance analyst who is probably not the highest paid individual. We also all know that Lenagan was running the team and the club on a shoestring and we all know why. Back up your alarm calls with facts as to how we compare with other l2 and l1 clubs!!
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jul 28, 2014 18:50:28 GMT
And there are plenty others who go up and more than hold their own in League One without a Championship level backroom setup. I have no idea where this championship level back room staff claim Comes from? On top of last year we have a performance analyst who is probably not the highest paid individual. We also all know that Lenagan was running the team and the club on a shoestring and we all know why. Back up your alarm calls with facts as to how we compare with other l2 and l1 clubs!! Manager and assistant that have both cone down from the championship and are putting in place a scouting network. Agree that the video gent is unlikely to be a big drain on the budget.
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 28, 2014 18:52:32 GMT
I have no idea where this championship level back room staff claim Comes from? On top of last year we have a performance analyst who is probably not the highest paid individual. We also all know that Lenagan was running the team and the club on a shoestring and we all know why. Back up your alarm calls with facts as to how we compare with other l2 and l1 clubs!! Manager and assistant that have both cone down from the championship and are putting in place a scouting network. Agree that the video gent is unlikely to be a big drain on the budget. Both of who were out of work, having not done all that well at precious clubs !!!
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jul 28, 2014 18:54:36 GMT
True but irrelevant IMO
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 28, 2014 18:55:59 GMT
Well it would be wouldn't it, it don't fit in with ur agenda . Steve mclaren managed in the top flight and Europe and at national level, had a bad spell drops to a lower level on probably a lot less money to rebuild his reputation. Why can't it be the same with ma and df
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jul 28, 2014 18:57:10 GMT
What agenda is that? I just answered your question :-)
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Post by oufcyellows on Jul 28, 2014 18:58:39 GMT
What agenda is that? I just answered your question :-) It wasn't a question , I was stating that they had dropped as they had not done well in their last jobs at that level
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Post by taffyewe on Jul 28, 2014 21:30:40 GMT
I am very concerned, not by spending but by wreckless spending. I have given some examples of wreckless spending and it is VERY early days. The biggest concern is having a club left in a few years. Are you telling me that there is no worry behind the excitement? Portsmouth, Leeds, etc are all victims of boards being way too flash with their cash. Ask those clubs fans if they would have swapped a few glorious years for long term stability and growing the club properly (fine examples are Southampton and Swansea). All I am saying is that this could go one of two ways. I just hope that the spending is not too lavish, but kept within our restrictions. I want success, but there are ways of doing it. Fair enough, that clears up your view So how would you do it then if the way its being done is the wrong way ? Do I think we are even scratching the surface of a Portsmouth or Leeds, good god know. I think what is happening is exactly what many have being going on about for years. How many times have we read that our coaching staff are not good enough, so Melville has gone and a top notch coach has come in..................exactly what many have asked for Still I would be fascinated by your view and please don't say the owners should fund it out of their own pockets because it doesn't work like that anywhere except Fleetwood and Eastleigh Seriously? ? I am not full of answers or am I in a position to know where each penny has gone or is planned to go. I shall repeat myself as you seem unable to interpret my message. Who knows how this journey will end, however I have concerns with wasting serious sums of money and lumping it onto OUFC's debt. Paying up a newly appointed manager for the term of his contract is wasting serious money is it not? I am just stating a fact and I have no business plan for OUFC, however I know when money is being thrown away. Nobody could say whether Waddock would have made a success or not, so please let's make no assumptions based on the the games at the end of the season. And in reaction to somebody else that commented "that we could not do it on IL's shoestring budget, so let's try to splash the the cash and give it a go" or words to that effect. I say that IL's budget would have got us at minimum in the playoffs had Wilder stayed, so why can we not do this without going cash crazy? You do not need to spend to get out of this league, so I HOPE that this is done sensibly. If you are an OUFC fan then you should want the same thing!
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Post by yellowjam on Jul 28, 2014 21:54:53 GMT
You keep going on about paying up GW contract, I very much dealt we payed up a whole 2 year contract, most manager/owners come to agreement to a pay off of a current amount, I would think in this case he walked away with a year pay £50/60k instead of double
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Post by taffyewe on Jul 28, 2014 22:23:42 GMT
You keep going on about paying up GW contract, I very much dealt we payed up a whole 2 year contract, most manager/owners come to agreement to a pay off of a current amount, I would think in this case he walked away with a year pay £50/60k instead of double Would you accept that if you were GW? Considering how quickly it happened I would be amazed if he accepted your suggestion. He was entitled to the full amount of his contract and I would be staggered if he got anything less. He was being pooped on from a great height. What loyalty would he have to OUFC or the new owners to relinquish that sort of money?
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Post by backonthecoupon on Jul 29, 2014 12:01:01 GMT
What agenda is that? I just answered your question :-) It wasn't a question , I was stating that they had dropped as they had not done well in their last jobs at that level OK. You seem keen to start an argument so I wont antagonise you any further
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Post by psquared on Jul 29, 2014 12:55:32 GMT
David Moyes didn't get 4 years pay off. These things(get outs) are written in to contracts. If we had to pay the full amount GW would not be allowed to accept another post until oir contract was up.
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Post by yellowjam on Jul 29, 2014 15:19:09 GMT
You keep going on about paying up GW contract, I very much dealt we payed up a whole 2 year contract, most manager/owners come to agreement to a pay off of a current amount, I would think in this case he walked away with a year pay £50/60k instead of double Would you accept that if you were GW? Considering how quickly it happened I would be amazed if he accepted your suggestion. He was entitled to the full amount of his contract and I would be staggered if he got anything less. He was being pooped on from a great height. What loyalty would he have to OUFC or the new owners to relinquish that sort of money? IL was desperate to get wilder off that 1 year rolling contract so I couldn't see him making the same mistake with GW, You'd think IL would of put a clause in his contract if he wanting to get rid (as many managers have)
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Post by taffyewe on Jul 29, 2014 20:18:24 GMT
Would you accept that if you were GW? Considering how quickly it happened I would be amazed if he accepted your suggestion. He was entitled to the full amount of his contract and I would be staggered if he got anything less. He was being pooped on from a great height. What loyalty would he have to OUFC or the new owners to relinquish that sort of money? IL was desperate to get wilder off that 1 year rolling contract so I couldn't see him making the same mistake with GW, You'd think IL would of put a clause in his contract if he wanting to get rid (as many managers have) Wilder was different in that IL did not really want him and he was on last chance saloon. New manager that IL selected himself would have not left job security for insecurity. He would not have allowed a 'sack me' clause!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 7:26:49 GMT
Oxford Mail quoting MAPP this morning, "we're not just close, we're super close to signing at least one striker".
Fingers crossed.
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Post by roley on Jul 30, 2014 7:43:04 GMT
Snap up Wolves number 10 from last night.
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Post by East Challow Yellow on Jul 30, 2014 7:46:04 GMT
MAPP's quotes in the mail regarding a striker...
He said: “It’s about getting the right one and from what I’m being told we’re not close, we’re super close on certainly one.
“That will give everyone a big lift going into Saturday’s game.
“He’s someone I’ve been aware of for a while and saw him play and do really well at the back end of last season.”
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