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Post by Paul Cannell on Jul 23, 2014 9:47:41 GMT
Meanwhile. Back on the serious concerns thread............. (Thank god we don't have to wait for a 7 day cooling off period regarding the notes or have to chase the owner to see if he has bothered to read them) ;-) Interesting, positive (in comparison). Have a good day, Mr. B.
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Post by socrates on Jul 23, 2014 11:48:39 GMT
As just pointed out on another thread, I got home at 12.15am (and yes I have kids which complained about my whereabouts) while another committee member drove through the night to get back home, he got home at 3.30am. Notes being written up this morning. (Thank god we don't have to wait for a 7 day cooling off period regarding the notes or have to chase the owner to see if he has bothered to read them) ;-) This is not a directed at you but I don't like the sentiment, or hint, on this thread that somehow OxVox members or its officers are 'superior' supporters. No one forced them to give up their time, just like no one forces us to travel for five or six hours up and down the country and pay £££s to support the team and club. It is one and the same. There is not a huge amount of difference (wealth being relative) to a chairman or chief exec barking back 'well, what have YOU ever done?' when supporters, fairly and rightfully, ask questions about what is happening at our club. I see to reeber supporters of IL rolling out that weary riposte whenever anyone dared to criticise. To that end I find it surprising that a short summary (bullet points if you like) has not been posted on here from last night's meeting. At a time when the majority of us are totally in the dark about the future of our club and, indeed, extremely worried about new owners, that is the least we deserve, Oxvox members or not. This is the most crucial period in the club's recent history. Vital. It would certainly be more welcome than some cryptic comments made in BrahmmaBull's post. Now I'm sure there was no 'I know something you don't' implied and it was probbaly just a flippant response that was not worth anaylsing, but it is darn frustrating why, in the time it takes to write that, soeone can't post points A, B, C, and D from the meeting. Oxford supporters should, by now, have an indication of what was discussed.
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Post by sihath on Jul 23, 2014 11:52:08 GMT
As just pointed out on another thread, I got home at 12.15am (and yes I have kids which complained about my whereabouts) while another committee member drove through the night to get back home, he got home at 3.30am. Notes being written up this morning. (Thank god we don't have to wait for a 7 day cooling off period regarding the notes or have to chase the owner to see if he has bothered to read them) ;-) This is not a directed at you but I don't like the sentiment, or hint, on this thread that somehow OxVox members or its officers are 'superior' supporters. No one forced them to give up their time, just like no one forces us to travel for five or six hours up and down the country and pay £££s to support the team and club. It is one and the same. There is not a huge amount of difference (wealth being relative) to a chairman or chief exec barking back 'well, what have YOU ever done?' when supporters, fairly and rightfully, ask questions about what is happening at our club. I see to reeber supporters of IL rolling out that weary riposte whenever anyone dared to criticise. To that end I find it surprising that a short summary (bullet points if you like) has not been posted on here from last night's meeting.At a time when the majority of us are totally in the dark about the future of our club and, indeed, extremely worried about new owners, that is the least we deserve, Oxvox members or not. This is the most crucial period in the club's recent history. Vital. It would certainly be more welcome than some cryptic comments made in BrahmmaBull's post. Now I'm sure there was no 'I know something you don't' implied and it was probbaly just a flippant response that was not worth anaylsing, but it is darn frustrating why, in the time it takes to write that, soeone can't post points A, B, C, and D from the meeting. Oxford supporters should, by now, have an indication of what was discussed. I can fully understand why no-one has done that yet. Based on what some posters are like on here, there would be all sorts of replies to a bullet point list. Demands for more information, "what does THAT mean" kind of posts. I can understand why those at the meeting want to ensure that what is written reflects the truth of the meeting.
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Post by Mark on Jul 23, 2014 12:00:23 GMT
Agreed with waiting for the committee to make sure what they report is accurate. It's easy for one person to interpret what was said differently from others, and so those who were there should be able to check they all agree before release, and that it's a factual report, rather than any spin put on what was said.
So is there no longer a requirement to send to the club for review and approval?
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Post by Si Bradbury on Jul 23, 2014 12:11:08 GMT
I can only speak for myself Socrates and you did say it wasn't directed at me, so I take your comments in good faith, but I most certainly have never suggested I am any better than anyone else - it simply isn't true. We're all supporters and over the past few weeks I have been asking for honesty and transparency from Lenagan(s), the rival group and Ensco. It wasn't good enough or acceptable.
I'm quite well aware that my choice is to dedicate time to the Trust. I am not ashamed of that. It is a shame that prior to the meeting and subsequently during the meeting we were being asked on this thread what had happened. I had to drive 100 miles, Jeremey drove back to Middlesborough. The meeting finished gone 11pm. Notes were written at 1.25am this morning and sent to the club. They deserve the right to see them, without question.
The notes have funnily enough just been returned. They will be sent to members and posted up online.
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Post by foley on Jul 23, 2014 13:22:23 GMT
I am not sure that Ashton has suggested that the player budget will be £250K a year more than last seasons? I may be wrong but took it more that the budget would be £250K more than the budget was going to be under IL. He supposedly was going to allow GW one more player, so the payroll under IL would be significantly less than last seasons (taking Beano, Smalley, Rigg, Davies, Connelly, Wroe into account) That's not correct. IL was going to apply the same budget in 2014/15 as was applied in 2013/14. There is a video interview with Ashton available on the net where he was asked about the playing budget and he confirmed he would allow it to be increased by £250k. I don't agree with you and what happens suggests to suggest otherwise. At best it is a grey area. Now that Kitson has gone the 7 players have been replaced by 2. Some of those 7 have presumably been high earners (Beano, Smalley and Kitson). So if we are seriously going to spend £250K more than last season, then MAPP presumably has a very large budget remaining. I still see it more likely that Ashton confirmed that he would spend £250K more but on a reduced budget. In my view there is no way that IL was going to apply the same budget in 204/15 as in 2013/14. Actions would certainly suggest that this was not the case. Maybe Oxvox will be able to coinfirm this after last night.
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Post by Mark Sennett on Jul 23, 2014 13:50:35 GMT
Notes have been sent to members. Sadly our website is screwed up again! So i posted in full on the other thread. I wrote these at 1:30 in the morning and they were mutually agreed at 12:30 today by the board. It's taken me this long to get the bloody website to work!
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Post by socrates on Jul 23, 2014 15:00:48 GMT
Having read the notes (many thanks) there are three snippets which make very interesting reading.
1) we've lost about 800 season tickets 2) They've budgeted for 6,000 crowds 3) 2-3 new players will sign
Add them all together and you have confusion.
If there is such apathy with 800 season ticket holders gone walkies it is highly unlikely (and naive to think otherwise) that the average attendance will not dip below the 6,000 average of last season.
And, this is they key point, particularly when you have a team which is unlikely to be challenging at the crowd-boosting end of the table.
No 3 suggests that even with three new additions we have lost three senior players (8 departed minus 5 have/will sign - Hylton Collins/etc).
There is also a disconnect between a budget on 6k crowds and having three fewer senior players and Kitson and Contable (big earners) ushered out the door. Perhaps those 3 players = 800 season tickets.
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Post by foley on Jul 23, 2014 15:23:15 GMT
Having read the notes (many thanks) there are three snippets which make very interesting reading. 1) we've lost about 800 season tickets 2) They've budgeted for 6,000 crowds 3) 2-3 new players will sign Add them all together and you have confusion. If there is such apathy with 800 season ticket holders gone walkies it is highly unlikely (and naive to think otherwise) that the average attendance will not dip below the 6,000 average of last season. And, this is they key point, particularly when you have a team which is unlikely to be challenging at the crowd-boosting end of the table. No 3 suggests that even with three new additions we have lost three senior players (8 departed minus 5 have/will sign - Hylton Collins/etc). There is also a disconnect between a budget on 6k crowds and having three fewer senior players and Kitson and Contable (big earners) ushered out the door. Perhaps those 3 players = 800 season tickets. The only thing that would add it all up is if the 3 players are top players in this league. So 2 strikers and an attacking midfield player from higher leagues who could make a huge difference. Not holding my breath though.
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 23, 2014 15:25:39 GMT
Having read the notes (many thanks) there are three snippets which make very interesting reading. 1) we've lost about 800 season tickets 2) They've budgeted for 6,000 crowds 3) 2-3 new players will sign Add them all together and you have confusion. If there is such apathy with 800 season ticket holders gone walkies it is highly unlikely (and naive to think otherwise) that the average attendance will not dip below the 6,000 average of last season. And, this is they key point, particularly when you have a team which is unlikely to be challenging at the crowd-boosting end of the table. No 3 suggests that even with three new additions we have lost three senior players (8 departed minus 5 have/will sign - Hylton Collins/etc). There is also a disconnect between a budget on 6k crowds and having three fewer senior players and Kitson and Contable (big earners) ushered out the door. Perhaps those 3 players = 800 season tickets. One other point is that the budget is to lose AT LEAST £1.5 million, on those fairly optimistic figures. In other words, if the crowds were 5000, rather than 6000 (which is what it would be if we were mid-table) the loss would be at least £1.8 million a year. I'm not clear how the projected losses have escalated so swiftly, but that is a scary, scary number, when added to an existing unsecured debt pile of £8 million. I say none of this against Darryl Eales - it's great that he is comfortable enough in his own skin to be this transparent. I admire it. And I also bow to his record as a venture capitalist. But if I were racking up losses at that rate, and risking far worse, then I'd want to be pretty clear that promotion was very much on the cards. The three signings to come will say a lot, I guess. If it's three real attacking stars at this level, then things could look very different come this time next week.
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Post by charliesghost on Jul 23, 2014 15:28:54 GMT
Having read the notes (many thanks) there are three snippets which make very interesting reading. 1) we've lost about 800 season tickets 2) They've budgeted for 6,000 crowds 3) 2-3 new players will sign Add them all together and you have confusion. If there is such apathy with 800 season ticket holders gone walkies it is highly unlikely (and naive to think otherwise) that the average attendance will not dip below the 6,000 average of last season. And, this is they key point, particularly when you have a team which is unlikely to be challenging at the crowd-boosting end of the table. No 3 suggests that even with three new additions we have lost three senior players (8 departed minus 5 have/will sign - Hylton Collins/etc). There is also a disconnect between a budget on 6k crowds and having three fewer senior players and Kitson and Contable (big earners) ushered out the door. Perhaps those 3 players = 800 season tickets. The only thing that would add it all up is if the 3 players are top players in this league. So 2 strikers and an attacking midfield player from higher leagues who could make a huge difference. Not holding my breath though. A further point to note is that we have not lost 800 season ticket holders yet. That is the difference between the total number for last season and the current figure. One would fully expect a few hundred to sign up in the next fortnight, given signings and a telesales campaign. I'd expect that we'll end up with 3000 or so, though with all those being at the Earlybird price, the total revenue may look more like equivalent of 2800. So 600 down on last season.
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Post by yellowg on Jul 23, 2014 16:33:33 GMT
Only 3000 ST's! That would be such a shame. We need to generate some enthusiasm - some quality signings please!
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Post by yellowken on Jul 23, 2014 20:13:45 GMT
Only 3000 ST's! That would be such a shame. We need to generate some enthusiasm - some quality signings please! Well I am one of those who have not renewed and I am not ashamed it admit it. The club have to convince me to renew, and from what I have seen so far in terms of player investment I am far from convinced. It's down to them now.
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Post by Mark on Jul 23, 2014 20:33:14 GMT
Only 3000 ST's! That would be such a shame. We need to generate some enthusiasm - some quality signings please! Well I am one of those who have not renewed and I am not ashamed it admit it. The club have to convince me to renew, and from what I have seen so far in terms of player investment I am far from convinced. It's down to them now. Sorry you seem to be a "disaffected fan"/ "loyal supporter who doesn't go to matches very often" / "plastic fan who turns up when the goings good". Still, don't buy a season ticket and pay match by match whilst we go marching up the league, paying more than it would have cost on season ticket. Or don't buy a season ticket and whinge there's no money for players. Ok that was tongue in cheek, but if you can afford it and buy a season ticket, then at least if we aren't very good, it won't be your fault.
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Post by trainingcone on Aug 16, 2014 19:27:20 GMT
Alleged financial irregularities from previous clubs, lack of strong signings, not a great league start, WE'RE Doomed, going down to the conference, going into admininstration, play in the southern league ala hereford utd. NOT ONLY JOKING. Come on You Yellows.
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Post by blox21 on Aug 16, 2014 19:55:22 GMT
Alleged financial irregularities from previous clubs, lack of strong signings, not a great league start, WE'RE Doomed, going down to the conference, going into admininstration, play in the southern league ala hereford utd. NOT ONLY JOKING. Come on You Yellows. p*ssed !!!!
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