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Post by londonroader on Mar 24, 2013 7:44:05 GMT
Not many Oxford fans left sixfields today unhappy with the teams effort, result obviously. As for your no businessman rubbish. How much is it going to cost to get rid of CW, ML, AM, £150-200k. Balance that against reduced ST sales, ST offer money up front that is not a problem to IL as such, pay on the day will raise more revenue for the club, so hopefully even if ST are down and the team are getting results, the club might be re-cooping more revenue in the big picture with pay on the day. We have a hard core of 3.5-4 thousand home fans, just because there is a vocal group on here saying this and that, fair play to them but when the new season comes around their views might have changed, and while IL is the owner will losing a few hundred ST be the end of the world. How many left sixfields today happy with Wilder still being manager next season? Not many I'd imagine. If Wilder stays, there will be trouble ahead, and the losses will be more than £200,000 by this time next season. Losing close to 1,000 season holders, and less paying on the day, will mean no cashflow,. I don't think Ian Lenagan will want that. I like Wilder, but its clear how things will be if he stays. I respect your view, you know more than me. I'm only calling things as I see them. A lot of guesswork to back up your view. How do you know a 1000 won't renew, you might be right but who knows? IF we start winning,the crowds will come back and the club will get more revenue from pay on the day. I have not a clue what the fans thought of wilder coming out of the stadium, but i heard most people expressing their disbelief how we never got something out of the game, the frustration of missing so many chance and the ball just not falling in the right place, how bad the conditions were and how bloody cold we all were. IMHO this is not as black and white as people think, it's obvious that no businessman sets out to lose money, but this is football and leaching money is what happens at football clubs, IL will make the best decision for the football club and him, and either way this won't please everybody.
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Post by barmyarmy on Mar 24, 2013 8:31:18 GMT
I would say its fairly good guesswork. Dont forget a lot of people took up the early offer last season thinking we could be in league 1 this season. Look at how many season ticket holders currently dont go, add on those season ticket holders that only go because they have a season ticket and wont go when they dont.
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 24, 2013 9:18:00 GMT
How many left sixfields today happy with Wilder still being manager next season? Not many I'd imagine. If Wilder stays, there will be trouble ahead, and the losses will be more than £200,000 by this time next season. Losing close to 1,000 season holders, and less paying on the day, will mean no cashflow,. I don't think Ian Lenagan will want that. I like Wilder, but its clear how things will be if he stays. I respect your view, you know more than me. I'm only calling things as I see them. A lot of guesswork to back up your view. How do you know a 1000 won't renew, you might be right but who knows? IF we start winning,the crowds will come back and the club will get more revenue from pay on the day. I have not a clue what the fans thought of wilder coming out of the stadium, but i heard most people expressing their disbelief how we never got something out of the game, the frustration of missing so many chance and the ball just not falling in the right place, how bad the conditions were and how bloody cold we all were. IMHO this is not as black and white as people think, it's obvious that no businessman sets out to lose money, but this is football and leaching money is what happens at football clubs, IL will make the best decision for the football club and him, and either way this won't please everybody. I think its fair to say season ticket sales would drop dramatically If Wilder stays. I think 25%, around 1,000 is fair to assume, given the drop in crowds this season, even when results have picked up. If he does stay, and we do start winning and doing well,,I think a big crowd would be close to 5,500. Crowds will not get much above 5,000 each week. If a new manager comes in, and we are doing well, I think 6,000+ would be the norm. I have spoken to a few Oxford fans since yesterday, and every single one says Wilder has to go in the summer. People are fed up of us bossing games and not winning, or even drawing. And to often, the football on show is poor, and fans have got bored. Most fans feel like this, so I can't see how Ian Lenagan would give Wilder another season. Wilder needs to go, and not just for reasons to do with him. There is such negativity from some of our supporters. I'm now fed up with it, and wouldn't get a season ticket if Wilder is in charge next season, as to many people cause negativity because they don't want Wilder here, and I have had enough, and don't want another season of it. Wilder is not the reason I won't be renewing, its the doom and gloom that has been created. My son will be 3 in August, and I plan to start taking him. But not if things stay the same That is why I am convinced Ian Lenagan will make a change in the summer, for the good of the club and himself. Myself and the others I go with will renew, and everyone will feel much more positive.
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Post by oxymoron on Mar 24, 2013 9:40:32 GMT
Is it fairly safe to assume that the people causing the negativity are the self-same people that will not be renewing their season tickets?
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 24, 2013 9:52:56 GMT
Is it fairly safe to assume that the people causing the negativity are the self-same people that will not be renewing their season tickets? I will always renew when I can, but this time, a lot based on my son and spending more time with him, and the negativity around, I wouldn't if Wilder gets another season. I am one of the most positive fans around, and always will be. But when fans like myself have had enough, not just of the manager, but the bad atmosphere some have created, its not a good sign. Saying that, I am only using this scenario because some are adamant Wilder has been given another year. I am sure we will see a new manager In the summer, so plans are being made for me to renew my season ticket, especially so I can bring my son with me each week.
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Post by barmyarmy on Mar 24, 2013 9:53:14 GMT
Do you not think its the third season of mid table mediocrity that is causing the negativity?
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Post by oxymoron on Mar 24, 2013 10:15:17 GMT
Joe, I know that you are one of the most positive supporters - if not THE most positive supporter and I wasn't commenting about your good self.
The point I was trying to convey is that if there are fans that are causing or reacting to circumstances that then cause a negative atmosphere, is it not likely that these are the fans that [say that they] are not going to renew.
A by-product of the smaller crowd would be a more "comfortable" atmosphere, which paradoxically may see a return of people that are put off by the atmosphere. That situation is also far more condusive for bringing the little 'un to - I hope to bring my own grandson to his first match next season so the old saying about silver cloud linings could be deemed appropriate.....
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 24, 2013 10:41:55 GMT
Joe, I know that you are one of the most positive supporters - if not THE most positive supporter and I wasn't commenting about your good self. The point I was trying to convey is that if there are fans that are causing or reacting to circumstances that then cause a negative atmosphere, is it not likely that these are the fans that [say that they] are not going to renew. A by-product of the smaller crowd would be a more "comfortable" atmosphere, which paradoxically may see a return of people that are put off by the atmosphere. That situation is also far more condusive for bringing the little 'un to - I hope to bring my own grandson to his first match next season so the old saying about silver cloud linings could be deemed appropriate..... Where I sit, which is why I will move, are a group who slag Wilder off, have a go at the players, and wait for any opportunity to moan about anything. These people will always come back. In general, and at games, you are right. But social media and on here, negativity from those who don't go, can spread to the mood at games. I am just fed up with that, as opposed really wanting Wilder out. Barmyarmy, that's a part of the frustration. But for me, its the anti Wilder stuff from fans which has really damaged the atmosphere around the club. He needs to go, but I like the man, and will always view him as a club legend.
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Post by londonroader on Mar 24, 2013 11:38:21 GMT
A lot of guesswork to back up your view. How do you know a 1000 won't renew, you might be right but who knows? IF we start winning,the crowds will come back and the club will get more revenue from pay on the day. I have not a clue what the fans thought of wilder coming out of the stadium, but i heard most people expressing their disbelief how we never got something out of the game, the frustration of missing so many chance and the ball just not falling in the right place, how bad the conditions were and how bloody cold we all were. IMHO this is not as black and white as people think, it's obvious that no businessman sets out to lose money, but this is football and leaching money is what happens at football clubs, IL will make the best decision for the football club and him, and either way this won't please everybody. I think its fair to say season ticket sales would drop dramatically If Wilder stays. I think 25%, around 1,000 is fair to assume, given the drop in crowds this season, even when results have picked up. If he does stay, and we do start winning and doing well,,I think a big crowd would be close to 5,500. Crowds will not get much above 5,000 each week. If a new manager comes in, and we are doing well, I think 6,000+ would be the norm. I have spoken to a few Oxford fans since yesterday, and every single one says Wilder has to go in the summer. People are fed up of us bossing games and not winning, or even drawing. And to often, the football on show is poor, and fans have got bored. Most fans feel like this, so I can't see how Ian Lenagan would give Wilder another season. Wilder needs to go, and not just for reasons to do with him. There is such negativity from some of our supporters. I'm now fed up with it, and wouldn't get a season ticket if Wilder is in charge next season, as to many people cause negativity because they don't want Wilder here, and I have had enough, and don't want another season of it. Wilder is not the reason I won't be renewing, its the doom and gloom that has been created. My son will be 3 in August, and I plan to start taking him. But not if things stay the same That is why I am convinced Ian Lenagan will make a change in the summer, for the good of the club and himself. Myself and the others I go with will renew, and everyone will feel much more positive. Thanks for your thoughts, but again all assumptions.
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 24, 2013 11:40:17 GMT
Assumptions, but the reality of the situation, and how the majority of fans feel. You seem to think Ian Lenagan will go back on his word. Is that an assumption to?
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Post by londonroader on Mar 24, 2013 12:18:45 GMT
Assumptions, but the reality of the situation, and how the majority of fans feel. You seem to think Ian Lenagan will go back on his word. Is that an assumption to? That's all your personnel view which is fine. what word is IL going to go back on? I'm sure someone will know the correct wording, but wasn't it something along the lines when we reach a tipping point I will have to review the situation with the manager, I can't ever remember a direct quote from IL saying at such a point I will sack CW, I might be wrong though. IL is going to run this business his way, as KT and a few others have found out, if it goes tits up no one will get pleasure who was right or wrong, but why not just wait until the end of the season and enjoy what's left if possible, trying to 2nd guess things now is almost impossible.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Mar 24, 2013 12:42:59 GMT
Thougt it was an excellent game yesterday in simply appalling conditions. Wilder set the team up right and they were up for the physical battle. Northampton have a massively impressive home record and play to their strengths with a lot of muscular discipline. However, just for those who did'nt bother to attend, we mullered them in the second half. Heard no anti Wilder stuff from a passionate , committed set of away supporters. However, yesterday was confirmation that we need two new strikers. Craddock has checked out mentally and Beano simply is not prolific enough.
Re changing manager, be careful what we wish for. For every John Ward, there is a Nigel Worthington. Also I would'nt fancy a Boothroyd type plaing style at our club - it is not pretty to watch.
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Post by baldy on Mar 24, 2013 12:49:39 GMT
Thougt it was an excellent game yesterday in simply appalling conditions. Wilder set the team up right and they were up for the physical battle. Northampton have a massively impressive home record and play to their strengths with a lot of muscular discipline. However, just for those who did'nt bother to attend, we mullered them in the second half. Heard no anti Wilder stuff from a passionate , committed set of away supporters. However, yesterday was confirmation that we need two new strikers. Craddock has checked out mentally and Beano simply is not prolific enough. Re changing manager, be careful what we wish for. For every John Ward, there is a Nigel Worthington. Also I would'nt fancy a Boothroyd type plaing style at our club - it is not pretty to watch. how, in your opinion, do we play ? i rarely see our centre backs knock in to midfield and set about slicing through teams. far more likely to see raynes and wright launch it 45 yards to the top of the pitch. you wont find a single fan on here complaining of a 'boothroyd type' here, one that is sitting nicely in 4th place with a superb home record as opposed to one who 's season is over yet again i n march for the third consecutive season.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Mar 24, 2013 13:10:34 GMT
Away from home we arguably play the most attractive passing football in this League. We were even trying to do so on that quagmire yesterday. I wouldnt fancy watching a Boothroyd team playing week in week out.
Problem with Oxford, as we all know, is consistency, you never know what you're going to get, especially at home. Our players are sent out at least with a mission to win games and pass the ball, sure it goes tits up regularly but at least we try and knock it around. What will possibly do for Wilder is that 1 he has bought a stack of crocks and 2 he tinkers too much with the starting 11.
I don't think many will disagree that there is a ball to feet ethos in Wilders tactical approach. I prefer that approach to Boothroyd's regimented style.
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Post by baldy on Mar 24, 2013 13:22:23 GMT
Away from home we arguably play the most attractive passing football in this League. We were even trying to do so on that quagmire yesterday. I wouldnt fancy watching a Boothroyd team playing week in week out. Problem with Oxford, as we all know, is consistency, you never know what you're going to get, especially at home. Our players are sent out at least with a mission to win games and pass the ball, sure it goes tits up regularly but at least we try and knock it around. What will possibly do for Wilder is that 1 he has bought a stack of crocks and 2 he tinkers too much with the starting 11. I don't think many will disagree that there is a ball to feet ethos in Wilders tactical approach. I prefer that approach to Boothroyd's regimented style. Finding a cutting edge is the hardest part of a managers remit. Retaining possession with sideways passing is something I could coach. it's p*ss easy and proves absolutely nothing. How many times have we had the ball in long periods of possession only to see an opponent then cut us to ribbons on the counter - that's a tactical genius at work not someone who brainwashes fans into thinking his side play attractive football just because they keep possession. Our possession stats will be impressive in the defensive third, less so in midfield and virtually zero where it matters. Thats nothing to boast about. its nothing football.
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Post by pottersrightboot on Mar 24, 2013 14:29:43 GMT
No offence but a bit of a vacuous response. Were you at the Gills, Bradford, or Exeter games? Do you really think we played 'nothing' football at Northampton? I saw a brave, tactically astute performance, marred by bog awful finishing. What will do for Wilder is not his style of play but the other matters I mentioned in my other post. Plus mentally our players are very suspect on occasion. But that's got nothing to do with the way we try and play the game. And I also take issue with us 'being cut to ribbons on the counter'. Many of the goals we concede , (and again apart from the Rotherham fiasco there have'nt been many for the last couple of months), are via opposition set pieces. And finally, don't talk guff, you, I , or any other of the Walter Mitty characters that inhabit this forum would not have the first idea how to coach successfully in this standard of football.
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Post by mekong on Mar 24, 2013 17:03:22 GMT
I will renew whether CW stays or goes although I understand the point by JL re the wearisome negativity. But if we end up playing boring football (and most of the time we try to play expansive on the ground)then I know my money will end up going elsewhere.
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Post by tatabanya on Mar 24, 2013 17:07:16 GMT
and most of the time we try to play expansive on the ground Really? Think this is a bit of a myth. We either get it wide early or pump it from the back to the (alienated) man up top.
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Post by mekong on Mar 25, 2013 20:37:53 GMT
and most of the time we try to play expansive on the ground Really? Think this is a bit of a myth. We either get it wide early or pump it from the back to the (alienated) man up top. I have been entertained watching Batty and LD as wingbacks supporting AP and Rigg. We have tried more direct with no success. Do you watch the team regularly? We routinely play to feet and use the wings to stretch play - we try to play it through teams by passing rather direct and muscular - cannot see how that's mythical? Clearly it doesnt always work but IMO we definitely do try to play 'good' football.
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Post by Long John Silver on Mar 25, 2013 21:55:26 GMT
Away from home we arguably play the most attractive passing football in this League. We were even trying to do so on that quagmire yesterday. I wouldnt fancy watching a Boothroyd team playing week in week out. Problem with Oxford, as we all know, is consistency, you never know what you're going to get, especially at home. Our players are sent out at least with a mission to win games and pass the ball, sure it goes tits up regularly but at least we try and knock it around. What will possibly do for Wilder is that 1 he has bought a stack of crocks and 2 he tinkers too much with the starting 11. I don't think many will disagree that there is a ball to feet ethos in Wilders tactical approach. I prefer that approach to Boothroyd's regimented style. Really? The standard of football at home this season has been terrible on the whole. Probably two or three games where we seem to have tried to play a type of football that has been good to watch, and most of the others we have struggled to string more than three passes together in 90 minutes. Just bad finishing it certainly hasn't been.... It's been dire boring stuff to watch.
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