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Post by tonto on Mar 23, 2013 17:27:01 GMT
Another one hilarious....
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 23, 2013 17:29:43 GMT
I dont want wilder here next year becuase i think weve hit the wall under him, but i firmly believe IL is just treading water and waiting to offload the club if possible, so therefore wilder might well get another year as its the cheapest and easiest option for IL If that is the case, why has Ian Lenagan invested in the youth team, created a development squad idea, invested in sports science and video technology, and has put even more money this year to cover injuries, and signed more cheques that he would have wanted to? Seems a pretty big commitment to me. Not someone looking to do everything on the cheap and wanting to offload the club.
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Post by yellowj on Mar 23, 2013 17:34:43 GMT
Chris Wilder said I keep saying we're not good enough in the final third. I don't know what the answer is If the manager doesn't know what the answer is, we've got the wrong manager. We are the only team in the top half of the table with a minus goal difference.
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Post by tonto on Mar 23, 2013 17:44:43 GMT
Whingy on now top man.
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Post by princescastle on Mar 23, 2013 17:46:50 GMT
John, i feel a bit sorry for IL as he was being led up a garden path by certain people who have not long left the club, but has the owner and a man who has done so well in business i wonder how certain transactions and agreements were allowed to happen. Now he and we has a club our now paying for this mismanagement. I am sure your close enough to the club to know about some of these issues, i just feel he would love to offload us given the right deal.
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 23, 2013 17:50:58 GMT
Interesting view.
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Post by baldy on Mar 23, 2013 18:11:13 GMT
John, i feel a bit sorry for IL as he was being led up a garden path by certain people who have not long left the club, but has the owner and a man who has done so well in business i wonder how certain transactions and agreements were allowed to happen. Now he and we has a club our now paying for this mismanagement. I am sure your close enough to the club to know about some of these issues, i just feel he would love to offload us given the right deal. I often wonder why we don't seem to appeal to investors or even a money man who just wants his ego boosted by owning a football club. I mean Oxford is a city known worldwide because of its university link, it's a lovely prart of the world to live and work in and it's central and easy links to airports, London etc. Swindon, which is tbe exact opposite and basically a shit hole, seems to attract backers prepared to chuck in millions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 18:20:18 GMT
To sum up how bad the referee was, Akinfenwa didn't get a yellow card.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 18:23:06 GMT
Looked solid at the back but didn't create too much and our strikers were again woeful. Craddock should have buried his chance in the first half.
Wilder should have kept rig on and taken off potter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 18:34:30 GMT
We lost the game when Wilder took Rigg off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 19:35:24 GMT
How Craddock stayed on the pitch beats me. He was terrible.
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Post by sideshowrob on Mar 23, 2013 19:37:35 GMT
John, i feel a bit sorry for IL as he was being led up a garden path by certain people who have not long left the club, but has the owner and a man who has done so well in business i wonder how certain transactions and agreements were allowed to happen. Now he and we has a club our now paying for this mismanagement. I am sure your close enough to the club to know about some of these issues, i just feel he would love to offload us given the right deal. I often wonder why we don't seem to appeal to investors or even a money man who just wants his ego boosted by owning a football club. I mean Oxford is a city known worldwide because of its university link, it's a lovely prart of the world to live and work in and it's central and easy links to airports, London etc. Swindon, which is tbe exact opposite and basically a shit hole, seems to attract backers prepared to chuck in millions. Do you think it might be that some investors associate shit holes with potentially successful football clubs?
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Post by oufcluke27 on Mar 23, 2013 19:43:58 GMT
Wilder is a joke took rigg off for no reason which was greeted by boo's. enough is enough now major changes in the summer ( I hope)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2013 19:56:32 GMT
How Craddock stayed on the pitch beats me. He was terrible. The slack for Craddock tonight in my opinion is a bit unfair. Both Constable and Potter had poor games but they don't get the same amount of slack. In my opinion Craddock tried to make things work today but it wasn't his day.
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Post by londonroader on Mar 23, 2013 20:35:19 GMT
I dont want wilder here next year becuase i think weve hit the wall under him, but i firmly believe IL is just treading water and waiting to offload the club if possible, so therefore wilder might well get another year as its the cheapest and easiest option for IL If that is the case, why has Ian Lenagan invested in the youth team, created a development squad idea, invested in sports science and video technology, and has put even more money this year to cover injuries, and signed more cheques that he would have wanted to? Seems a pretty big commitment to me. Not someone looking to do everything on the cheap and wanting to offload the club. How does the sports science work then, IL owns the company and charges Oxford United for the use of I believe, so he's selling us a produce that might work at this level.
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 23, 2013 20:40:27 GMT
If that is the case, why has Ian Lenagan invested in the youth team, created a development squad idea, invested in sports science and video technology, and has put even more money this year to cover injuries, and signed more cheques that he would have wanted to? Seems a pretty big commitment to me. Not someone looking to do everything on the cheap and wanting to offload the club. How does the sports science work then, IL owns the company and charges Oxford United for the use of I believe, so he's selling us a produce that might work at this level. If it works, then it will benefit the football club. Surely a good thing
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Post by londonroader on Mar 23, 2013 20:41:54 GMT
Ian Lenagan has invested a lot of time and money in recent times, into the youth system, development squad that will be coming soon, video technology, sports science, and playing squad, and the incoming sales and marketing manager. He may be quiet, but he is commited to Oxford United. He believed Wilder deserved another chance, which I can understand. But he knows how fans feel, and he wants to make Oxford United successful, and there is no chance a successful businessman, with ambitions of promotion, will give Wilder another season. And I expect he will have plans in place for the selection of the new manager. Lenagan won't come out and say anything, and some people think that means he still has faith in Wilder. But Ian Lenagan will be thinking long and hard about the plans for the new season, and there is no chance that will involve Wilder. We need a fresh start, and Lenagan will know that. The rumour that Wilder has been told he will be here next season, is just a rumour. He won't be here, because Ian Lenagan knows the club needs a change, and will be in trouble if there isn't. A lot of words there, but it's a 50/50 call at the moment, I see no reason or logic for you to guess CW is going. I know the ITK rumour mill is stating CW is staying next season, but I'm not sure either way, as they say football is a funny old game, CW could depart if IL chosen manager becomes available, there are so many twists to the end of the season we can all guess what might happen, but I would suggest no one knows for sure yet.
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Post by londonroader on Mar 23, 2013 20:43:26 GMT
How does the sports science work then, IL owns the company and charges Oxford United for the use of I believe, so he's selling us a produce that might work at this level. If it works, then it will benefit the football club. Surely a good thing And while we wait the 3 years for it to possibly bare fruit, we are paying IL for the pleasure.
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 23, 2013 20:43:54 GMT
The logic is season ticket sales would fall dramatically if Wilder is here next season. Does that make sense from a business point of view?
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Post by londonroader on Mar 23, 2013 20:47:59 GMT
The logic is season ticket sales would fall dramatically if Wilder is here next season. Does that make sense from a business point of view? I knew you didn't know anything about IL,it is not as simplistic as that, lets wait and see where this all ends.
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 23, 2013 20:49:57 GMT
If it works, then it will benefit the football club. Surely a good thing And while we wait the 3 years for it to possibly bare fruit, we are paying IL for the pleasure. I see it as a good things, and will help us in the long run.
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 23, 2013 20:54:21 GMT
The logic is season ticket sales would fall dramatically if Wilder is here next season. Does that make sense from a business point of view? I knew you didn't know anything about IL,it is not as simplistic as that, lets wait and see where this all ends. If crowds keep falling, resulting in more losses, no businessman would allow that to continue for to long, especially as its his money. With the way this season has gone, there needs to be a change. If there isn't, the club may not survive. I would have thought Lenagan wouldn't let that happen. Why would he want to lose even more of his money? No one who claims to know anything has backed it up. Our support is unhappy, I can't see why Wilder would stay. Iike the bloke, but the fact is, things need to change.
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Post by uptheus on Mar 23, 2013 20:57:24 GMT
WHY DON'T WE CROSS THE BALL INTO THE BOX WHEN WE GET THE CHANCE?
WHY DON'T WE SHOOT?
WHY AREN'T WE GOOD ENOUGH AT SET PIECES/CORNERS ETC?
WHY CAN'T WE THROW THE BALL IN TO ONE OF OUR PLAYERS?
Answer: shit management/coaching
Oh, and we do need a clear out in the summer, we're just not good enough and are so inconsistent.
AGAIN MANAGEMENT!!
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Post by londonroader on Mar 23, 2013 21:12:42 GMT
I knew you didn't know anything about IL,it is not as simplistic as that, lets wait and see where this all ends. If crowds keep falling, resulting in more losses, no businessman would allow that to continue for do long, especially as its his money. With the way this season has gone, there needs to be a change. If there isn't, the club may not survive. I would have thought Lenagan wouldn't let that happen. Why would he want to lose even more of his money? No one who claims to know anything has backed it up. Our support is unhappy, I can't see why Wilder would stay. Iike the bloke, but the fact is, things need to change. Not many Oxford fans left sixfields today unhappy with the teams effort, result obviously. As for your no businessman rubbish. How much is it going to cost to get rid of CW, ML, AM, £150-200k. Balance that against reduced ST sales, ST offer money up front that is not a problem to IL as such, pay on the day will raise more revenue for the club, so hopefully even if ST are down and the team are getting results, the club might be re-cooping more revenue in the big picture with pay on the day. We have a hard core of 3.5-4 thousand home fans, just because there is a vocal group on here saying this and that, fair play to them but when the new season comes around their views might have changed, and while IL is the owner will losing a few hundred ST be the end of the world.
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Post by londonroader on Mar 23, 2013 21:14:48 GMT
I knew you didn't know anything about IL,it is not as simplistic as that, lets wait and see where this all ends. If crowds keep falling, resulting in more losses, no businessman would allow that to continue for to long, especially as its his money. With the way this season has gone, there needs to be a change. If there isn't, the club may not survive. I would have thought Lenagan wouldn't let that happen. Why would he want to lose even more of his money? No one who claims to know anything has backed it up. Our support is unhappy, I can't see why Wilder would stay. Iike the bloke, but the fact is, things need to change. It's not his money is it, he is lending OUFC the money and will hope to get it back when he sells.
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 23, 2013 21:31:27 GMT
If crowds keep falling, resulting in more losses, no businessman would allow that to continue for do long, especially as its his money. With the way this season has gone, there needs to be a change. If there isn't, the club may not survive. I would have thought Lenagan wouldn't let that happen. Why would he want to lose even more of his money? No one who claims to know anything has backed it up. Our support is unhappy, I can't see why Wilder would stay. Iike the bloke, but the fact is, things need to change. Not many Oxford fans left sixfields today unhappy with the teams effort, result obviously. As for your no businessman rubbish. How much is it going to cost to get rid of CW, ML, AM, £150-200k. Balance that against reduced ST sales, ST offer money up front that is not a problem to IL as such, pay on the day will raise more revenue for the club, so hopefully even if ST are down and the team are getting results, the club might be re-cooping more revenue in the big picture with pay on the day. We have a hard core of 3.5-4 thousand home fans, just because there is a vocal group on here saying this and that, fair play to them but when the new season comes around their views might have changed, and while IL is the owner will losing a few hundred ST be the end of the world. How many left sixfields today happy with Wilder still being manager next season? Not many I'd imagine. If Wilder stays, there will be trouble ahead, and the losses will be more than £200,000 by this time next season. Losing close to 1,000 season holders, and less paying on the day, will mean no cashflow,. I don't think Ian Lenagan will want that. I like Wilder, but its clear how things will be if he stays. I respect your view, you know more than me. I'm only calling things as I see them.
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Post by baldy on Mar 23, 2013 21:49:38 GMT
Never quite got my head around how we talk about Lenagan bailing us out to the tune of £4m is it yet we then have this continual discussion about whether we can afford to pay up a month or two of an £80,000 a year contract and the same for a couple of assistants who must be earning about £60,000 between them.
It is relative peanuts and surely it is not an amount of money that can impact enough on the Lenagans to prevent them from firing a manager before his contract is officially up.
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Post by moobs on Mar 23, 2013 22:13:32 GMT
If crowds keep falling, resulting in more losses, no businessman would allow that to continue for to long, especially as its his money. With the way this season has gone, there needs to be a change. If there isn't, the club may not survive. I would have thought Lenagan wouldn't let that happen. Why would he want to lose even more of his money? No one who claims to know anything has backed it up. Our support is unhappy, I can't see why Wilder would stay. Iike the bloke, but the fact is, things need to change. It's not his money is it, he is lending OUFC the money and will hope to get it back when he sells. and how will he get his money back trying to sell a loss making football club? Unless a rich Arab turns up with more money then sense, his dosh has effectively gone down the khazi. I remember when Kassam tried to sell the club for £1 and there were no takers.
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Post by amershamdave on Mar 23, 2013 22:21:26 GMT
What's it like in Amersham Dave? Has the snow made it that far down? I worry about Akinfenwa and Hackett teaming up, I hope our defence are ready!! I fear 2-1 to the home side, but 3pts will have a few sides looking over their shoulders given quite a few aren't playing today because of the weather Sorry to take so long to get back to you - Oxford lose, I get depressed! Lots of snow here today. We're really high up in the hills!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 1:20:27 GMT
After seeing the highlight.... jesus christ how was the foul on mccormick not given?
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