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Post by one trick Raponi on Mar 23, 2011 9:28:02 GMT
If you think supporters should have the choice to stand as well as sit at football, please sign the online petition and spread the word. It's time the politicians heard our voices on this issue. It'd be good to see lots of Oxford United fans names on there. www.fsf.org.uk/petitions/safestanding.php
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Post by basingstokeox on Mar 23, 2011 11:01:40 GMT
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Post by Paul Cannell on Mar 23, 2011 11:04:46 GMT
That's a survey, this is a petition.
You should do this one if you want standing to be made legal or whatever.
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Mar 23, 2011 12:40:54 GMT
see the premier league have been quick to throw their weight against this petition.
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Post by carefreeoufc on Mar 23, 2011 12:46:56 GMT
I have signed the petition and forwarded it on to all I know so every little helps as they say.
Now excuse my ignorance as it has been some time since I read through the "Stand up for Standing" thread. Probably since the last forum so I have a question that may have been discussed.
Should the bill go through etc and clubs in the Premiership and Championship began to adopt safe standing which is all good for them, what would happen to us.
I am sure it has been spoken about on the thread but great work by everyone that has pushed for this but will it actually do anything for us? As it stands we could quite legally have a standing section (maybe even in no mans land behind the OMS) next season. Is it the case that we will not get one until we own the ground? Or has KT said they will invest in one if it is legally approved.
Any info would be much appreciated I am sure Cuddy or One Trick have spoken about this on the old forum.
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Post by Yellowbrains on Mar 23, 2011 12:47:29 GMT
Just been looking at the signatures, not a lot of Oxford fans in there. Come on people, sign this!
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Post by WeAreTheResurrection on Mar 23, 2011 14:10:25 GMT
I have signed the petition and forwarded it on to all I know so every little helps as they say. Now excuse my ignorance as it has been some time since I read through the "Stand up for Standing" thread. Probably since the last forum so I have a question that may have been discussed. Should the bill go through etc and clubs in the Premiership and Championship began to adopt safe standing which is all good for them, what would happen to us. I am sure it has been spoken about on the thread but great work by everyone that has pushed for this but will it actually do anything for us? As it stands we could quite legally have a standing section (maybe even in no mans land behind the OMS) next season. Is it the case that we will not get one until we own the ground? Or has KT said they will invest in one if it is legally approved. Any info would be much appreciated I am sure Cuddy or One Trick have spoken about this on the old forum. Not true, we are not legally allowed to have terracing at the Kassam because we were in the Championship when the Taylor Report was published.
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Post by carefreeoufc on Mar 23, 2011 14:42:16 GMT
I have signed the petition and forwarded it on to all I know so every little helps as they say. Now excuse my ignorance as it has been some time since I read through the "Stand up for Standing" thread. Probably since the last forum so I have a question that may have been discussed. Should the bill go through etc and clubs in the Premiership and Championship began to adopt safe standing which is all good for them, what would happen to us. I am sure it has been spoken about on the thread but great work by everyone that has pushed for this but will it actually do anything for us? As it stands we could quite legally have a standing section (maybe even in no mans land behind the OMS) next season. Is it the case that we will not get one until we own the ground? Or has KT said they will invest in one if it is legally approved. Any info would be much appreciated I am sure Cuddy or One Trick have spoken about this on the old forum. Not true, we are not legally allowed to have terracing at the Kassam because we were in the Championship when the Taylor Report was published. I see, well f@ck me that just about sums up how backward this lot are. So because we were once in the Championship at the same time the report was published we are not legally entitled to it. F@cking ridiculous.
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Post by sarge on Mar 23, 2011 15:12:35 GMT
I have signed the petition and forwarded it on to all I know so every little helps as they say. Now excuse my ignorance as it has been some time since I read through the "Stand up for Standing" thread. Probably since the last forum so I have a question that may have been discussed. Should the bill go through etc and clubs in the Premiership and Championship began to adopt safe standing which is all good for them, what would happen to us. I am sure it has been spoken about on the thread but great work by everyone that has pushed for this but will it actually do anything for us? As it stands we could quite legally have a standing section (maybe even in no mans land behind the OMS) next season. Is it the case that we will not get one until we own the ground? Or has KT said they will invest in one if it is legally approved. Any info would be much appreciated I am sure Cuddy or One Trick have spoken about this on the old forum. Not true, we are not legally allowed to have terracing at the Kassam because we were in the Championship when the Taylor Report was published. there is so much misunderstanding, misinterpretation and misinformation on the subject which people believe, or are led to believe, is factual, which is a real shame. re the highlighted quote above... .....since which we have dropped out of the football league, which was a shit 4 seasons, nonetheless, firstly that applied to The Manor ( hence the need to move from the yellows 'home'), secondly, having been a non league club gaining promotion back into the league gives a 'clean sheet' so to speak on that 'requirement', Thirdly, things are moving in a positve forward direction leading up to the Don Foster MP bill in parliament on June 17th- Lobby your MP's, lobby the minister for sport, sign the FSF petition, join in with the Brookes Marketing Students fans survey(s) of Oxford United Supporters, It has been said before that We as in Oxford United are in a unique position with a 4th stand missing currently, to be at the forefront of Safe Standing in England, (as soon as the stadium is owned by the club, obviously). Think of the impact that would have and what it would do for the profile of Oxford United too
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Post by hairy on Mar 23, 2011 17:13:20 GMT
Signed it and had a read of some of the comments, one lad says he goes to watch Dortmund and they have a 26,000 terrace, if someone can safely have a terrace of that size with no problems it pretty much blows all the safety arguments out of the water. Also did you watch cheltenham races, barely a sober man their and everyone standing yet their were no problems. If enough pressure is applied alongside the evidence and solid arguments on our side cannot see how this wrong law can be kept, all anyone is asking for is a choice.
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Post by one trick Raponi on Mar 24, 2011 20:02:55 GMT
Come on fellas we need more Oxford United fan signatures on this petition.
Welcome aboard Cuddy ;D
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Post by junior1 on Mar 24, 2011 20:25:54 GMT
I've signed it
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Post by tonto on Mar 24, 2011 21:10:16 GMT
Me too
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Post by mrdiaz on Mar 24, 2011 21:48:08 GMT
I hope standing never comes back in all seater stadiums. All seaters look amazing, all this atmosphere rubbish that people go on about is rubbish. They dont have a problem with atmosphere at Man Utd, Arsenal or Wembley and those stadiums are amazing.
Vote no on standing!
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 24, 2011 21:52:01 GMT
I hope standing never comes back in all seater stadiums. All seaters look amazing, all this atmosphere rubbish that people go on about is rubbish. They dont have a problem with atmosphere at Man Utd, Arsenal or Wembley and those stadiums are amazing. Vote no on standing! Yeah, thats true. Im deaf now cause of all the noise at the Kassam every week. We dont need standing when all seater stadiums mean amazing atmospheres
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Post by one trick Raponi on Mar 24, 2011 21:55:21 GMT
The choice is yours to make mrdiaz.
That's, after all, what we're campaigning for. Freedom of choice.
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 24, 2011 21:56:45 GMT
The choice is yours to make mrdiaz. That's, after all, what we're campaigning for. Freedom of choice. Id love a replica of the London Road at the fence end
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Post by mrdiaz on Mar 24, 2011 21:58:05 GMT
I hope standing never comes back in all seater stadiums. All seaters look amazing, all this atmosphere rubbish that people go on about is rubbish. They dont have a problem with atmosphere at Man Utd, Arsenal or Wembley and those stadiums are amazing. Vote no on standing! Yeah, thats true. Im deaf now cause of all the noise at the Kassam every week. We dont need standing when all seater stadiums mean amazing atmospheres We dont have an atmosphere due to we no longer sing good songs, we are the right etc goes for a minute or so, then some clown starts that stupid dont want to go home song. Also if you sit bottom right of the stand you aint going to be in much of an atmosphere down there.
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Post by John Lennon on Mar 24, 2011 22:05:38 GMT
Yeah, thats true. Im deaf now cause of all the noise at the Kassam every week. We dont need standing when all seater stadiums mean amazing atmospheres We dont have an atmosphere due to we no longer sing good songs, we are the right etc goes for a minute or so, then some clown starts that stupid dont want to go home song. Also if you sit bottom right of the stand you aint going to be in much of an atmosphere down there. If you really believe that, then you really are clueless. Its a fact that if we had terracing at our ground, the atmosphere would be so much better
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Post by one trick Raponi on Mar 24, 2011 22:12:53 GMT
Yeah, thats true. Im deaf now cause of all the noise at the Kassam every week. We dont need standing when all seater stadiums mean amazing atmospheres ;D
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Post by Gary Baldi on Mar 24, 2011 22:18:47 GMT
I heard a debate on the Radio the other day about bringing back safe standing and it seemed that the people who thought they should make the decision is Liverpool fans and they say no. I can't recall a specific time when they were appointed judge, jury and executioner, but as far as they are concerned, there is no safe standing, ever. So don't push this petition at Anfield.
100,000 people at Festivals stand in tight space, for hours on end. There are few problems. If implemented correctly and managed properly, standing is not a problem. It's only when the dickheads come out that their are problems.
Ultimately, Fans should be given the choice about standing.
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Post by mrdiaz on Mar 24, 2011 22:47:44 GMT
We dont have an atmosphere due to we no longer sing good songs, we are the right etc goes for a minute or so, then some clown starts that stupid dont want to go home song. Also if you sit bottom right of the stand you aint going to be in much of an atmosphere down there. If you really believe that, then you really are clueless. Its a fact that if we had terracing at our ground, the atmosphere would be so much better No you are wrong, if the stand was build half as high, the atmosphere would be better, it has nothing to do with people standing. We could have a ground that looks like Burtons with small stands that creates atmosphere. But i think the Kassam looks better than Burtons ground. Its all about ground design!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2011 23:22:26 GMT
If you really believe that, then you really are clueless. Its a fact that if we had terracing at our ground, the atmosphere would be so much better No you are wrong, if the stand was build half as high, the atmosphere would be better, it has nothing to do with people standing. We could have a ground that looks like Burtons with small stands that creates atmosphere. But i think the Kassam looks better than Burtons ground. Its all about ground design! It's not solely to do with ground design, yes a low roof helps but theres one reason why the atmosphere is so much better at away games; all the singers stand together. In an all seater stadium, home fans don't get a choice of where they sit, we're all allocated seats. At away games, on terracing we can all group together and make some real noise. This goes with seated away games, merely because it's sit where you like. Safe standing at home would allow us to group together and make a better atmosphere. At the moment we're all spread around the stadium; along the back of the OM and top of the north.
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Post by sarge on Mar 25, 2011 11:29:17 GMT
Interesting ... AND pro standing at footy debate/phone in on the Wright Stuff on Channel 5 this morning!
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Post by scoob on Mar 25, 2011 13:04:51 GMT
I have recently raised issues over the timing of building the fourth stand but there is absolutely no reason why a standing section should not be built when we have sufficient crowds to support it (or alternative financing that will not reduce the money available for the team).
If anyone is really concerned about the aesthetics of the stadium then surely a two tier stand (ie with the top, seating, tier overlapping the lower standing section (to ensure the acoustics are beneficial to the standing section) would overcome that issue.
I have voted in favor because I can see no reason why safe standing would be detrimental to any club that wants it.
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Post by one trick Raponi on Mar 27, 2011 9:45:47 GMT
I have recently raised issues over the timing of building the fourth stand but there is absolutely no reason why a standing section should not be built when we have sufficient crowds to support it (or alternative financing that will not reduce the money available for the team). If anyone is really concerned about the aesthetics of the stadium then surely a two tier stand (ie with the top, seating, tier overlapping the lower standing section (to ensure the acoustics are beneficial to the standing section) would overcome that issue. I have voted in favor because I can see no reason why safe standing would be detrimental to any club that wants it. Us fans rarely have the opportunity to be involved in the design of our grounds or stands. We even got a ground that bore little resemblance to the ground we were shown would be built. One of the reasons we started this campaign at OUFC was to have discussions with the club at an early stage in the hope that, when we do own our ground and are able to begin development of the open areas, the fans views are incorporated into the planning of it. There is no argument against safe standing that holds any water. Safety, crowd control, cost, choice. These have all been addressed. Any argument against safe standing is an argument against common sense imo.
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Post by one trick Raponi on Mar 27, 2011 9:53:22 GMT
Thanks to the 50-60 Oxford fans who have so far signed this petition.
What about the rest of you?
We'll be looking at how we can get the message across to supporters to make them aware of the National FSF safe standing campaign and this petition in particular.
Approx 9000 names on this petition so far. If you haven't already done so, please sign it, and spread the word.
Any ideas welcome. Can someone put together a flyer we can hand out at games? Download and print out. L&P?
I've asked the FSF about us organising a paper petition for Oxford fans. They should be engaging all football supporters with this, not just those with internet access and knowledge of the campaign.
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Post by one trick Raponi on Mar 28, 2011 18:55:33 GMT
bumping this up.
Please sign the petition.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2011 20:02:33 GMT
Just signed this.
- C
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Post by Long John Silver on Mar 29, 2011 11:37:47 GMT
Thanks to the 50-60 Oxford fans who have so far signed this petition. What about the rest of you? We'll be looking at how we can get the message across to supporters to make them aware of the National FSF safe standing campaign and this petition in particular. Approx 9000 names on this petition so far. If you haven't already done so, please sign it, and spread the word. Any ideas welcome. Can someone put together a flyer we can hand out at games? Download and print out. L&P? I've asked the FSF about us organising a paper petition for Oxford fans. They should be engaging all football supporters with this, not just those with internet access and knowledge of the campaign. Agree with you that the FSF don't seem to be getting the message out very well about this petition. One of the main arguments put forward by the 'authorities' is that there isn't much call from fans for standing and nearly all are perfectly happy to be seated. The FSF should be getting the knowledge about the existence of the petition to all supporters at League and Conference level matches. Have you asked the FSF to make something available from their site, so that any fan or set of supporters can download and print out a flyer?
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