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Post by baldy on Feb 2, 2011 18:40:12 GMT
Retired from football with immediate effect.
Like I said last week, watch this space with Neville taking over from Andy Gray on Sky.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 2, 2011 19:01:03 GMT
God I hope not. Gray was a moron but neville! He's inarticulate as he is thick. Anyone who needs to use the words 'you know' about fifty times in a sentence has no place as a pundit.
Its taken him long enough, but its nice to see him finally come to the realisation his career was over. He could have jacked it in three years ago and been waiting in the wings for the job you reckon he's about to get bald!
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 2, 2011 19:03:55 GMT
Legend? Rubbish!
A very good player I grant you, but he is no legend.
He was the best we had in what is a relatively weak position for England. To use the term means you are putting him on the same pedestal as full-backs like Lillian Thuram, Paulo Maldini, Giuseppe Bergomi, Roberto Carlos and Cafu which is quite frankly - Ridiculous!
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Post by Simon Lill on Feb 2, 2011 19:10:54 GMT
Legend? Rubbish! A very good player I grant you, but he is no legend. He was the best we had in what is a relatively weak position for England. To use the term means you are putting him on the same pedestal as full-backs like Lillian Thuram, Paulo Maldini, Giuseppe Bergomi, Roberto Carlos and Cafu which is quite frankly - Ridiculous! Maybe he's suggesting he's a Man Utd legend...
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Post by baldy on Feb 2, 2011 19:24:18 GMT
Legend? Rubbish! A very good player I grant you, but he is no legend. He was the best we had in what is a relatively weak position for England. To use the term means you are putting him on the same pedestal as full-backs like Lillian Thuram, Paulo Maldini, Giuseppe Bergomi, Roberto Carlos and Cafu which is quite frankly - Ridiculous! Why is that rubbish ? Legend has never meant the best as such. Denis Law is a Man U legend but I'd say there have been quite a few at Man U who could match his achievements and arguably be better footballers but would get nowhere near legendary status. Do you think Gary Briggs ranks as one of the most gifted centre backs in Oxford United history ? Of course he isn't but he's probably the number one legend. Billy Hamilton made 38 appearances for us but his revered as an Oxford Utd legend. Neville, quite simply, is a legend. 650 appearances and 20 years under SAF doesn't really need adding to. Name me a better right back in Premiership history ?
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Post by sihath on Feb 2, 2011 19:35:21 GMT
I've got to agree with Baldy.
He's a Man Utd legend.
For those who aren't Man Utd fans he'll be remembered as a bit of a 'teacher's pet' type. The episode where he tried to get England players to go on strike because Rio had broken the drug testing rules wasn't his hour.
But he was amongst the best right backs of his generation.
Baldy may also be right about Sky. But that's more to do with Man Utd being the best supported club in the country rather than any ability (whenever I have seen him as a pundit I've been underwhelmed), Sky will go for the audience attraction.
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Post by junior1 on Feb 2, 2011 19:54:40 GMT
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Post by Simon Lill on Feb 2, 2011 20:06:30 GMT
Was gonna mention that very thing junior.
Legend status isnt only awarded because you are technically the best, the most skillfull the most talented.
Its awarded for such things as loyalty, length of service, passion, committment to the cause.
Granted, Neville may not rank as highly as Law, Best, Charlton...Giggs. But he's close.
And regardless what you think of Neville as a right-back (you don't play THAT many games if you're not very good) you simply can't argue with his status at MUFC.
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 2, 2011 20:17:33 GMT
Okay let's use this as a little benchmark of the word 'Legend' then. A list compiled by a true legend of the game - Pele:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_100Unless I missed something, I didn't see Gary Neville appear in that list. Man Utd legend - Yes, England legend - Possibly, World legend - No. As for a better Premiership right-back - Good choice of words there Baldy - Premiership, as in over the past 18 years. Therefore carefully eliminating the likes of Phil Neal and Viv Anderson.
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Post by sihath on Feb 2, 2011 20:31:18 GMT
Okay let's use this as a little benchmark of the word 'Legend' then. A list compiled by a true legend of the game - Pele:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_100Unless I missed something, I didn't see Gary Neville appear in that list. Man Utd legend - Yes, England legend - Possibly, World legend - No. As for a better Premiership right-back - Good choice of words there Baldy - Premiership, as in over the past 18 years. Therefore carefully eliminating the likes of Phil Neal and Viv Anderson. Baldy has already rubbished my claim that Phil Neal was a better right back than Neville on the old forum. 8 Championships and 4 European Cups vs 8 and 1 certainly shows Neal was more successful.
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Post by moobs on Feb 2, 2011 20:46:22 GMT
Lee Dixon?
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Post by sihath on Feb 2, 2011 20:50:25 GMT
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Post by Best Mate on Feb 2, 2011 22:17:47 GMT
A Man U legend.
Most definitly.
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Post by Gary Baldi on Feb 2, 2011 22:53:54 GMT
Leg end? More like bell end.
A good nearly great player who didn't know when to quit until it was obvious he became a fraud. I won't miss that gormless look he gave to the Ref when he mullered the opposition and tried to say he got the ball.
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Post by luvthepink on Feb 2, 2011 23:50:21 GMT
w*nker of the highest order...........cant believe he hasnt had his ugly mug rearranged by someone after all his gobbing off,,,,,northern monkey.
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Post by concretebob on Feb 2, 2011 23:52:06 GMT
Gary Neville is a Manchester United legend.
He's no Ryan Giggs though, who is a footballing legend.
Really hope Neville stays well away from Sky. He'll be the most bias presenter ever.
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Post by tcp on Feb 3, 2011 0:53:27 GMT
Okay let's use this as a little benchmark of the word 'Legend' then. A list compiled by a true legend of the game - Pele:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_100Unless I missed something, I didn't see Gary Neville appear in that list. Man Utd legend - Yes, England legend - Possibly, World legend - No. As for a better Premiership right-back - Good choice of words there Baldy - Premiership, as in over the past 18 years. Therefore carefully eliminating the likes of Phil Neal and Viv Anderson. That list also contains El Hadji Diouf, a legend only for being a repugnant human being. Though I pretty much agree with your assessment of Neville as a legend.
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Post by baldy on Feb 3, 2011 8:29:18 GMT
What is it about Neville that people dislike ?
I don't get it. He epitomises everything good about the game. He has an exceptional disciplinary record for a defender, shown the sort of loyalty that you rarely see in the game, no off field issues and an accomplished footballer on it.
I suppose that badge kissing escapade against Liverpool might have something to do with his unpopularity but if Beano ran over to the Swindon fans and did the same thing we'd love it. You cant get enough of that sort of passion, thats what football is all about - rubbing the oppositions nose well and truly in it.
I'm surprised fams cant relate to what Neville did that day and see it for what it was - a love of his club.
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Post by moobs on Feb 3, 2011 8:50:25 GMT
What is it about Neville that people dislike ? I don't get it. He epitomises everything good about the game. He has an exceptional disciplinary record for a defender, shown the sort of loyalty that you rarely see in the game, no off field issues and an accomplished footballer on it. I suppose that badge kissing escapade against Liverpool might have something to do with his unpopularity but if Beano ran over to the Swindon fans and did the same thing we'd love it. You cant get enough of that sort of passion, thats what football is all about - rubbing the oppositions nose well and truly in it. I'm surprised fams cant relate to what Neville did that day and see it for what it was - a love of his club. No, I prefer players to be more dignified. Like when Basham scored for Hayes + Yeading at the Kassam, didn't celebrate, no emotion. It's called respect.... Man Utd beat Liverpool but Neville has his own personal agenda with Liverpool fans and I think it's immature....
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Post by baldy on Feb 3, 2011 9:01:59 GMT
What is it about Neville that people dislike ? I don't get it. He epitomises everything good about the game. He has an exceptional disciplinary record for a defender, shown the sort of loyalty that you rarely see in the game, no off field issues and an accomplished footballer on it. I suppose that badge kissing escapade against Liverpool might have something to do with his unpopularity but if Beano ran over to the Swindon fans and did the same thing we'd love it. You cant get enough of that sort of passion, thats what football is all about - rubbing the oppositions nose well and truly in it. I'm surprised fams cant relate to what Neville did that day and see it for what it was - a love of his club. No, I prefer players to be more dignified. Like when Basham scored for Hayes + Yeading at the Kassam, didn't celebrate, no emotion. It's called respect.... Man Utd beat Liverpool but Neville has his own personal agenda with Liverpool fans and I think it's immature.... I hate to see what Basham did. I admire his restraint but football is about relieving emotions and the moment the ball hits the net should be one where the scorer and fans celebrate as one. If you want dignity and respect go to the opera or something.
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 3, 2011 9:49:57 GMT
No, I prefer players to be more dignified. Like when Basham scored for Hayes + Yeading at the Kassam, didn't celebrate, no emotion. It's called respect.... Man Utd beat Liverpool but Neville has his own personal agenda with Liverpool fans and I think it's immature.... I hate to see what Basham did. I admire his restraint but football is about relieving emotions and the moment the ball hits the net should be one where the scorer and fans celebrate as one. If you want dignity and respect go to the opera or something. There's nothing wrong with a player celebrating IN FRONT OF HIS OWN FANS. But Gary Neville's badge kissing in front of the Liverpool fans shows what a classless, disrespectful little c**t he really is. It's on a par with Adabayor legging it 90 yards to celebrate in front of the Gunners when he scored for Man City. And we started to discuss his pet caterpillar dodgy facial hair. ;D
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Post by junior1 on Feb 3, 2011 10:03:16 GMT
I say fair play to him for doing that. He'd have got shitloads of abuse from the scousers so why not give them it back ??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 10:06:31 GMT
A Man Utd legend no doubt and I agree its a bit odd that he is so widely disliked, because he was a good professional and never in any trouble.
Really can't see the media career happening though - occasional pundit maybe, but nowhere near enough charisma to be a frontman.
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Post by alessandro on Feb 3, 2011 10:18:48 GMT
What is it about Neville that people dislike ? I don't get it. He epitomises everything good about the game. He has an exceptional disciplinary record for a defender, shown the sort of loyalty that you rarely see in the game, no off field issues and an accomplished footballer on it. I suppose that badge kissing escapade against Liverpool might have something to do with his unpopularity but if Beano ran over to the Swindon fans and did the same thing we'd love it. You cant get enough of that sort of passion, thats what football is all about - rubbing the oppositions nose well and truly in it. I'm surprised fams cant relate to what Neville did that day and see it for what it was - a love of his club. It's probably not actually his fault. It's by virtue of representing all things Man United, along with his timewarp sense of trade unionism. I think mostly, people find the love of Man United across the world, by people with no connection to the city, but a desire to be associated with glory to make up for their own inadequacies, along with their misunderstanding of the very essence of what football stands for, reasonably irksome. If you ever go to watch football in a pub and there are Man U fans there, they are much more likely than other sets of fans to be the most obnoxious, ill-informed arrogant, attention seeking people in the pub. By being the most outspoken representative of that brand for 18 years, he is likely to be the victmi of projectionist dislikes.
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Post by moobs on Feb 3, 2011 11:18:32 GMT
I've always found Chelsea fans to be uneducated cocks
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Post by Long John Silver on Feb 3, 2011 11:35:32 GMT
What is it about Neville that people dislike ? I don't get it. He epitomises everything good about the game. He has an exceptional disciplinary record for a defender, shown the sort of loyalty that you rarely see in the game, no off field issues and an accomplished footballer on it. I suppose that badge kissing escapade against Liverpool might have something to do with his unpopularity but if Beano ran over to the Swindon fans and did the same thing we'd love it. You cant get enough of that sort of passion, thats what football is all about - rubbing the oppositions nose well and truly in it. I'm surprised fams cant relate to what Neville did that day and see it for what it was - a love of his club. It's probably not actually his fault. It's by virtue of representing all things Man United, along with his timewarp sense of trade unionism. I think mostly, people find the love of Man United across the world, by people with no connection to the city, but a desire to be associated with glory to make up for their own inadequacies, along with their misunderstanding of the very essence of what football stands for, reasonably irksome. If you ever go to watch football in a pub and there are Man U fans there, they are much more likely than other sets of fans to be the most obnoxious, ill-informed arrogant, attention seeking people in the pub. By being the most outspoken representative of that brand for 18 years, he is likely to be the victmi of projectionist dislikes. Good post that ^^^^^^^^^^^
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2011 11:49:35 GMT
There's nothing wrong with a player celebrating IN FRONT OF HIS OWN FANS. But Gary Neville's badge kissing in front of the Liverpool fans shows what a classless, disrespectful little c**t he really is. Thats a massive overreaction. Yes, it was a disrespectful thing to do, but a spur of the moment emotional thing. I doubt many of us would be complaining if one of our players did it in front of Swindon fans. There are lots of players who fit your description, but I think Gary Neville is one of the more decent ones.
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Post by sihath on Feb 3, 2011 12:18:31 GMT
What is it about Neville that people dislike ? I don't get it. He epitomises everything good about the game. He has an exceptional disciplinary record for a defender, shown the sort of loyalty that you rarely see in the game, no off field issues and an accomplished footballer on it. I suppose that badge kissing escapade against Liverpool might have something to do with his unpopularity but if Beano ran over to the Swindon fans and did the same thing we'd love it. You cant get enough of that sort of passion, thats what football is all about - rubbing the oppositions nose well and truly in it. I'm surprised fams cant relate to what Neville did that day and see it for what it was - a love of his club. It's probably not actually his fault. It's by virtue of representing all things Man United, along with his timewarp sense of trade unionism. I think mostly, people find the love of Man United across the world, by people with no connection to the city, but a desire to be associated with glory to make up for their own inadequacies, along with their misunderstanding of the very essence of what football stands for, reasonably irksome. If you ever go to watch football in a pub and there are Man U fans there, they are much more likely than other sets of fans to be the most obnoxious, ill-informed arrogant, attention seeking people in the pub. By being the most outspoken representative of that brand for 18 years, he is likely to be the victmi of projectionist dislikes. Rikki This forum is not the place for well thought through, intelligent, reasoned comments. If you want to comment on Phil Neville he's either a cock or a legend.
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Post by baldy on Feb 3, 2011 12:29:31 GMT
Neville didn't make as beeline for the Liverpool fans. As the match finished he made his way to the centre circle to shake hands with the officials and after he had done so he just turned to the scousers, grabbed the badge and kissed it. Its not really that much different from cupping your ear in the direction of the opposition fans when you've just stuck the ball in their net.
Had he gone right over to them and milked it then I can see how that would be irresponsible but this was over in a flash. No hand gestures towards Liverpool fans, in fact nothing anti Liverpool at all. He was just professing his love for his club.
As was said up thread, fans have got to be big enough to take stick back if they want to give it out. You can't expect Neville to take dogs abuse for 90 minutes and then not momentarilly rejoice when its his turn. Why should Neville show restraint if a bunch of scousers cant ?
The simple answer is if Liverpool fans didnt taunt him throughout then he wouldnt have done it. Seems simple enough to me.
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Post by baldy on Feb 3, 2011 12:31:51 GMT
It's probably not actually his fault. It's by virtue of representing all things Man United, along with his timewarp sense of trade unionism. I think mostly, people find the love of Man United across the world, by people with no connection to the city, but a desire to be associated with glory to make up for their own inadequacies, along with their misunderstanding of the very essence of what football stands for, reasonably irksome. If you ever go to watch football in a pub and there are Man U fans there, they are much more likely than other sets of fans to be the most obnoxious, ill-informed arrogant, attention seeking people in the pub. By being the most outspoken representative of that brand for 18 years, he is likely to be the victmi of projectionist dislikes. Rikki This forum is not the place for well thought through, intelligent, reasoned comments.If you want to comment on Phil Neville he's either a cock or a legend. ...says sihath - one of N&I's foremost contributors.
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