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Post by junior1 on Jan 31, 2011 23:16:42 GMT
Name a better prospect then
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 7:08:14 GMT
can anyone fill me in on any late deals? i fell asleep at 10 :-(
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 10:13:34 GMT
He's better than Berbatov Ha ha Thats probably more ridiculous than saying Fletcher is better than Fabregas....(the previous benchmark for bad comparisons on this site) This of course is the next stage of the cycle though and is entirely expected. - English player moves for ridiculous amount of money - People start thinking he's "world class" because he went for so much money. - player believes the hype and starts acting like a superstar - player flops on the big stage because the money and fame goes to his head - People start saying he's overrated and rubbish
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Post by moobs on Feb 1, 2011 10:24:48 GMT
He's better than Berbatov Ha ha Thats probably more ridiculous than saying Fletcher is better than Fabregas....(the previous benchmark for bad comparisons on this site) This of course is the next stage of the cycle though and is entirely expected. - English player moves for ridiculous amount of money - People start thinking he's "world class" because he went for so much money. - player believes the hype and starts acting like a superstar - player flops on the big stage because the money and fame goes to his head - People start saying he's overrated and rubbish Okay. Carroll is physically better, can play target man, better in the air, better natural finisher. Plus he's only 22, Berbatov is 30. Berbatov has better skills, vision, passing etc. and he's weighed in with more goals this season but when you consider he goes missing for long periods and you weigh everything up, give me Carroll every time. He could be the new Shearer.
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Post by KLYellow on Feb 1, 2011 11:00:51 GMT
Ha ha Thats probably more ridiculous than saying Fletcher is better than Fabregas....(the previous benchmark for bad comparisons on this site) This of course is the next stage of the cycle though and is entirely expected. - English player moves for ridiculous amount of money - People start thinking he's "world class" because he went for so much money. - player believes the hype and starts acting like a superstar - player flops on the big stage because the money and fame goes to his head - People start saying he's overrated and rubbish Okay. Carroll is physically better, can play target man, better in the air, better natural finisher. Plus he's only 22, Berbatov is 30. Berbatov has better skills, vision, passing etc. and he's weighed in with more goals this season but when you consider he goes missing for long periods and you weigh everything up, give me Carroll every time. He could be the new Shearer. He could be... or he could be the new Heskey!
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 1, 2011 13:10:42 GMT
Or indeed the new rooney, who has gone through precisely the cycle mentioned above and who moobs routinely slags off for being overrated.
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Post by moobs on Feb 1, 2011 13:24:47 GMT
Or indeed the new rooney, who has gone through precisely the cycle mentioned above and who moobs routinely slags off for being overrated. You don't think Rooney is overrated then?
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 1, 2011 14:29:47 GMT
Or indeed the new rooney, who has gone through precisely the cycle mentioned above and who moobs routinely slags off for being overrated. You don't think Rooney is overrated then? As a matter of fact i do think he is overrated i also doubt that carroll is the heir to the shearer throne. But you can surely see the similarities between the two of them: home town boy made good, prolific scorer, big money move. You have to admit all the groundwork has been laid for him to fail in the same way rooney seems to have.
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Post by junior1 on Feb 1, 2011 14:34:54 GMT
Has Rooney turned to be a failure then??
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Post by Lone Gunman on Feb 1, 2011 14:46:36 GMT
Has Rooney turned to be a failure then?? Well he ent exactly setting the world alight now is he, and his career seems about ready to disappear into a fog of self-aggrandizing degeneracy. There have been more headlines about him going out poking hookers than there have about his footballing exploits. I wouldn't say he had completely failed yet but he's certainly heading down a slippery slope at the moment. A slope on which I can see him being joined by Carroll in the not too distant future.
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Post by moobs on Feb 1, 2011 14:47:18 GMT
Has Rooney turned to be a failure then?? Based on what Man Utd are currently paying him, definately....
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Post by junior1 on Feb 1, 2011 14:53:44 GMT
So your judging his failure on a 6month period?
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Post by oxyellow on Feb 1, 2011 14:53:46 GMT
That's harsh LG Carroll has had his off the field problems, but as do most young players who are in the media spotlight.
Moving back to the point, there is no reason at all why Andy Carroll couldn't be better than Berbatov at some point in his career. He has time on his side, he's still very young and is a quality talent, who will only get better.
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Post by Boogaloo on Feb 1, 2011 15:20:16 GMT
The main difference between Carroll and Rooney is that he hasn't let his off-field issues get in the way of what he can do on a football field.
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Post by moobs on Feb 1, 2011 15:32:48 GMT
So your judging his failure on a 6month period? No, i've always thought he's overrated and the world cup proved it
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 15:55:20 GMT
Moving back to the point, there is no reason at all why Andy Carroll couldn't be better than Berbatov at some point in his career. I agree the potential is there, but lets not compare a striker who has scored 12 top flight goals to one who has scored 48 in 79 internationals for a second rate team!
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Post by luvthepink on Feb 1, 2011 15:59:39 GMT
Carroll is a £10-12million player IMO....liverpool will fall flat on their scally t*at faces on this one i truely hope
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Feb 1, 2011 16:06:23 GMT
You cant compare Rooney and Carroll just yet.
Carroll is all potential and could indeed live up to his price tag. Equally he could fail. Time will tell and so it's a brave move for liverpool.
Rooney is a proven world class player. He has scored goals at all levels of football, and whilst going through a lean patch at the moment will come through it and regain his place as key man for Man U and for England.
People should however remember that Man U paid a similar sort of fee for Rooney at an equally young age and have got extremely good value for money. Sometimes you have to be brave to get the best deals and Liverpool have certainly been very brave with both Carroll and Suarez.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 16:25:43 GMT
Not sure Rooney is quite world class, but otherwise agree....
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Post by moobs on Feb 1, 2011 16:37:19 GMT
A proven World Class player who's never scored in a World Cup and played like a complete donkey? A player that cannot play as a lone striker, has little technical ability and is not a natural goalscorer.
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Post by junior1 on Feb 1, 2011 16:45:38 GMT
A proven World Class player who's never scored in a World Cup and played like a complete donkey? A player that cannot play as a lone striker, has little technical ability and is not a natural goalscorer. Unbelievable ....
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Feb 1, 2011 16:48:24 GMT
A proven World Class player who's never scored in a World Cup and played like a complete donkey? A player that cannot play as a lone striker, has little technical ability and is not a natural goalscorer. This could be my favourite post of all time.
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Post by SteMerritt on Feb 1, 2011 16:51:19 GMT
Berbatov has better skills, vision, passing etc. and he's weighed in with more goals this season but when you consider he goes missing for long periods and you weigh everything up, give me Carroll every time. So you think Berbatov has more skill, better link-up play, scores more goals but you would still have Carroll? Odd.
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Post by moobs on Feb 1, 2011 16:54:31 GMT
Berbatov has better skills, vision, passing etc. and he's weighed in with more goals this season but when you consider he goes missing for long periods and you weigh everything up, give me Carroll every time. So you think Berbatov has more skill, better link-up play, scores more goals but you would still have Carroll? Odd. He's scored more this season, albeit non crucial goals, but i'd rather a player who was more consistent and had more presence in attack. 8 years age difference as well....
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Post by dannyc on Feb 1, 2011 19:10:18 GMT
Not sure Rooney is quite world class, but otherwise agree.... so we don't have one single world class player then?
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Feb 1, 2011 19:13:22 GMT
So you think Berbatov has more skill, better link-up play, scores more goals but you would still have Carroll? Odd. He's scored more this season , albeit non crucial goals, but i'd rather a player who was more consistent and had more presence in attack. 8 years age difference as well.... so goals to beat liverpool and come back against blackpool dont count as crucial. do you just make this up as you go along?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 19:41:08 GMT
i think the fee for carrol was so large because liverpool had no time for it to be rejected... i may be wrong though!
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Feb 1, 2011 20:04:52 GMT
Rooney is definately shit ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2011 21:25:27 GMT
so we don't have one single world class player then? Ashley Cole is one of the best in his position so I would say he is our one world class player. Rooney last season would have been world class Depends how you define "world class"
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Post by dannyc on Feb 1, 2011 22:58:46 GMT
so we don't have one single world class player then? Ashley Cole is one of the best in his position so I would say he is our one world class player. Rooney last season would have been world class Depends how you define "world class" who do you think is the better player Rooney or Aguero
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