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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 17:32:44 GMT
Torres 50million Carrol 35million and a few seasons ago, Ronaldo 80million
Are they really worth this much?
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jan 31, 2011 17:39:36 GMT
Im sure many would disagree, but i think Ronaldo was worth £80m. He has scored at a goal a game for Madrid and has something like 50% of their goals this season. In a team of superstars that is some record. The bigger question is what happened to the £80m, i keep hearing our Man U fans on here saying that Fergie has a £100m warchest, yet they continue to underinvest in the team. from memory they have not invested in a big transfer since 2008 when they got Berbatov. Maybe they are taking aleaf out of Arsenals book and winding down the investment
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 17:56:47 GMT
that is some record! but some of the deals going through atm and over the past few days are ridiculous!
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jan 31, 2011 18:03:12 GMT
Yeah i dont disagree.
Caroll is good, but im not sure he is £35m good!!
The problem is that as soon as you get a transfer between English clubs the fees seem to go crazy. Add in the fact that he is English and you get a stupid fee involved.
Having said all of that if he develops the way some believe he will then it could look a good piece of business in a few years time.
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Post by unification on Jan 31, 2011 18:14:05 GMT
Carroll for £35m is ludicrous. Utterly mad. Feel bad for Hodgson at Liverpool who would never have been allowed to spend that sort of money, yet 'King Kenny' can get away with murder.
Carroll is no doubt a talent, but he's only really emerged as a Premier League talent this season. It really is a gamble that may well pay off, but his extra curricular activities, injuries and the added pressure of being a '£35m striker' could well work as negatives against him.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 31, 2011 18:19:25 GMT
Man utd have been spending though. They brought in Hernandez , smalling, also that new keeper who's name escapes me
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 31, 2011 18:26:44 GMT
The problem is that having had transfers like that of ronaldo, then the relative worth of every player in the pyramid suddenly jumps. Its bizarre that in a time of economic crisis and depression transfer fees are just going up and up.
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jan 31, 2011 18:28:21 GMT
Man utd have been spending though. They brought in Hernandez , smalling, also that new keeper who's name escapes me Hardly big bucks is it? Smalling was 7m. Hernandez was 8m, Lindegaard 3m. I can only think of Valencia who cost a few quid, that was allegedly 16m, but even if you add all the above up that only comes to 34m. What has happened to all the other money that they made from selling Ronaldo, not to mention that the owners should surely be investing in the team over and above any transfer profits from the Ronaldo sale? No differant to Arsenals spending really and everyone goes on about them not opening the cheque book. Just an observation, maybe they will crack open that 100m warchest that Baldy keeps telling us about ;D
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Post by junior1 on Jan 31, 2011 18:31:50 GMT
But why spend it if you dont need to? Where do they need to strengthen?
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 31, 2011 18:34:55 GMT
But why spend it if you dont need to? Where do they need to strengthen? I agree they are motoring along nicely at the moment but had they spent a bit more cash on some better defenders or perhaps another striker then they would have won the league already by not getting all those away draws to sides they really should be beating. Perhaps you could argue that they are still top despite that now, but with some players looking like their futures might be in doubt at the club, a large wedge will need to be spent at some point and the question is does Fergie still have it?
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jan 31, 2011 18:38:32 GMT
But why spend it if you dont need to? Where do they need to strengthen? Keeper to cover VDS retirement Fullbacks, no real cover. Defensive midfielder They will need to bring in replacements for Scholes, Giggs etc If you look back at the successful teams over the last decade they have always been constantly adding quality to their squads, it is a constant process.. Look at how Chelsea have struggled this season in parts, they have not invested for a few years and are now having to get the cheque book out in a panic. Same could be said of Liverpool.
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Post by Beav on Jan 31, 2011 18:52:20 GMT
Surely Fergie will replace them when he NEEDS to replace them?
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 31, 2011 18:54:08 GMT
Surely Fergie will replace them when he NEEDS to replace them? Fair point, but surely it should be an organic process rather than only replacing players who retire or leave when that happens so that any replacement has no time to bed in. Especially when you supposedly have so much money.
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Post by dannyc on Jan 31, 2011 18:55:06 GMT
Man utd have been spending though. They brought in Hernandez , smalling, also that new keeper who's name escapes me i don't see why Ferguson signed smalling championship lvl a tbest waste of money .
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Post by junior1 on Jan 31, 2011 18:59:20 GMT
Can someone put up man utd squad up..
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Post by fistfullofdollars on Jan 31, 2011 19:01:51 GMT
Surely Fergie will replace them when he NEEDS to replace them? Fair point and i dont disagree. However it seems stranage that a club like Man U have displayed no interest in signing the likes of Torres/Carroll/Di Maria/Ozil/Van de Vaart etc It either says he was not interested in any of those players, or he did not have the money to go after them.
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Post by Beav on Jan 31, 2011 19:05:12 GMT
If they couldn't go after them. It would be that Glazer has taken all the money.
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 31, 2011 19:05:35 GMT
Surely Fergie will replace them when he NEEDS to replace them? Fair point and i dont disagree. However it seems stranage that a club like Man U have displayed no interest in signing the likes of Torres/Carroll/Di Maria/Ozil/Van de Vaart etc It either says he was not interested in any of those players, or he did not have the money to go after them. It may of course be the case that fergie realises that he is going to be hit with a number of players leaving for whatever reason all at the same time, and is husbanding his resources so that he is not suddenly faced with a massive hole in his squd and no money to fill it, having wasted it all on luxury players.
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Post by dannyc on Jan 31, 2011 19:05:53 GMT
Surely Fergie will replace them when he NEEDS to replace them? Fair point and i dont disagree. However it seems stranage that a club like Man U have displayed no interest in signing the likes of Torres/Carroll/Di Maria/Ozil/Van de Vaart etc It either says he was not interested in any of those players, or he did not have the money to go after them. course they got no money to spend all that rubbish baldy came out with 100m to spend was rumors nothing more that's why they haven't signed one single player .
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 31, 2011 19:40:12 GMT
Fair point and i dont disagree. However it seems stranage that a club like Man U have displayed no interest in signing the likes of Torres/Carroll/Di Maria/Ozil/Van de Vaart etc It either says he was not interested in any of those players, or he did not have the money to go after them. course they got no money to spend all that rubbish baldy came out with 100m to spend was rumors nothing more that's why they haven't signed one single player . But they have signed players you moron. Since bald made his pronouncement.
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Post by Boogaloo on Jan 31, 2011 21:57:54 GMT
£35 million for Andy Carroll? That's about the same amount Barcelona shelled out for David Villa. No wonder Newcastle sold him. He's good, but he's not quite at Villa's level just yet.
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Post by KLYellow on Jan 31, 2011 22:34:44 GMT
But sometimes we dont know the real figure. The 35 million for Carroll could be a 20mm basic and paid over a number of years. 5 million after 50 games, 5 million if he plays 10 internationals plus 5 million if he is sold.
The way they structure some of the big transfers is quite complicated and not so transparent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 22:36:45 GMT
But sometimes we dont know the real figure. The 35 million for Carroll could be a 20mm basic and paid over a number of years. 5 million after 50 games, 5 million if he plays 10 internationals plus 5 million if he is sold. The way they structure some of the big transfers is quite complicated and not so transparent. But the fee is stated as being £35m PLUS add-ons so actually closer to £40m once you take into account like the ones the scenarios you've named.
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Post by Worcester Yellow on Jan 31, 2011 22:42:58 GMT
would you rather sign a proven prem goalscorer like bent for 18m? or a young unproven talent for 35m?
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Post by moobs on Jan 31, 2011 22:55:34 GMT
would you rather sign a proven prem goalscorer like bent for 18m? or a young unproven talent for 35m? Carrol is much better player than Bent. Bent is a modern day Andy Cole but Carroll looks like the new Shearer. An old fashioned British centre forward, strength, power and scores goals inside the area, outside the area, in the air and he's an excellent target man. He can go all the way.... He's better than Berbatov who cost £31M
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 31, 2011 23:03:23 GMT
would you rather sign a proven prem goalscorer like bent for 18m? or a young unproven talent for 35m? Carrol is much better player than Bent. Bent is a modern day Andy Cole but Carroll looks like the new Shearer. An old fashioned British centre forward, strength, power and scores goals inside the area, outside the area, in the air and he's an excellent target man. He can go all the way.... He's better than Berbatov who cost £31M As much as I agree that Carroll is a good centre forward I think you might be taking things a bit too far there.
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Post by moobs on Jan 31, 2011 23:05:36 GMT
Carrol is much better player than Bent. Bent is a modern day Andy Cole but Carroll looks like the new Shearer. An old fashioned British centre forward, strength, power and scores goals inside the area, outside the area, in the air and he's an excellent target man. He can go all the way.... He's better than Berbatov who cost £31M As much as I agree that Carroll is a good centre forward I think you might be taking things a bit too far there. No i'm not.
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Post by junior1 on Jan 31, 2011 23:07:48 GMT
Berbatov could be player of the season
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Post by Lone Gunman on Jan 31, 2011 23:10:36 GMT
As much as I agree that Carroll is a good centre forward I think you might be taking things a bit too far there. No i'm not. Time will tell I suppose.
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Post by moobs on Jan 31, 2011 23:12:01 GMT
Berbatov could be player of the season Ha ha ha.... ;D. You've got a good sense of humour Junior i'll give you that....
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