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Post by makv on Nov 11, 2017 18:59:24 GMT
Couldn't make it today, how did Martin get on? If Nelsons out for a while, looks like we'll see him filling in. I've only seen the second golf and he didn't fill me with confidence. I thought Martin did OK. A couple of very solid defensive headers, got his head to one of our corners too I think. Still would have preferred to see Canice though.
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Post by Toeby on Nov 11, 2017 19:00:14 GMT
Couldn't make it today, how did Martin get on? If Nelsons out for a while, looks like we'll see him filling in. I've only seen the second golf and he didn't fill me with confidence. Did a quality impression of a fish out of water for Northampton's second goal. Then second half he backed off his man until he was stood on Eastwood's toes, luckily Northampton didn't attack too much.
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Post by makv on Nov 11, 2017 19:02:14 GMT
At what point last season did Apps ship them all off to Bisham Abbey?
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Post by TheNewManor on Nov 11, 2017 19:11:02 GMT
At what point last season did Apps ship them all off to Bisham Abbey? Maybe ship them off on a weeks work experience on a cold, wet building site. See if they re-discover that desire...
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Post by manorlounger on Nov 11, 2017 19:26:33 GMT
No movement off the ball, no midfield, lack of accurate passing, silly sideways and backwards play (the only pass that Tiendali understood) no desire to compete and a manager who keeps repeating "fockussed" and says little else of any substance. The man wasn't even to be seen on the touchline for the first half! Ol' Slippery buggered off early, probably p*ssed off that his Christmas bonus had just been taken out for the season. (Watch out though, he still flog Easty)
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Post by Paul Cannell on Nov 11, 2017 19:35:16 GMT
It appears as though the problems are widening and the players are unaware of their roles. When does a worry become a crisis? Now. The squad is madly unbalanced, but we knew that; and overlooked it: no pace, no width. We have a manager who clearly knows how to play good football; we're in a league where that's not very important. We have 8 or 9 midfielders who, apart from Hall ( who is lightweight but good), are worthy and slow (Ruffels and Payne may be better that this but f*ck that). We have Thomas, who is decent and tries. We have a defense that has no pace and whose organization appears random, to be polite. We have no pace, no leader and a broken spirit. Our manager is in denial. The first goal ' was a referee error, unfair', the second happened on Wednesday and we have Clarified it. We will be relegated unless there are major changes now; unless somebody takes responsibility now, on and off the pitch.
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Post by 1OUFC on Nov 11, 2017 19:48:06 GMT
Never made it today, but from the comments it seems were were too soft yet again. As I said in the making the playoffs thread we desperately need some steel in the middle of the park. A ball winner and tough tackler ! Did Pep just stick with the same formation today?Is the pope catholic? Apparently we will also learn from our mistakes, as he has said after the previous 6/7 games. Not quite at the "their an honest bunch of lads," but no doubt soon.
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Post by shosho on Nov 11, 2017 19:54:53 GMT
A mess of a performance.
Pre match Pep highlighted Northampton would be physical and direct...he was right, we just didn’t bother to do anything about it. I admire trying to put our stamp on the match, but there is a point where we need to adapt to the opposition.
By by the end I just wanted to see us kick someone, something to spark a reaction rather than drifting to defeat.
‘We need to learn from it’...we haven’t learnt to close crosses. We haven’t learnt to manage matches. We haven’t learnt against certain teams we need to expect a battle and time wasting. Most of all, we haven’t learnt we have zero ability when picking the ball up off the back 4 in to midfield.
I’m sure our matches are extensively analysed, but today was ground hog day. Maybe the players are suffering ‘paralysis by analysis’?
we need to get back to basics, compete, press and play with pace (Rothwell and Hall carrying the ball) along with moving the ball 1/2 touch.
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Post by Toeby on Nov 11, 2017 20:05:39 GMT
Some things that I think would help.
1. Play wingers on the side of the strongest foot, so they go on the outside rather than drift inside and clog the midfield. Not only would this help the wide players, it would create more space for Payne to thrive in. It would also make sense as we don't have overlapping full backs.
2. Press the opposition and do it higher up the pitch. Today, Ledson and Rothwell were so deep, often just yards in front of the back 4. It is passive and it invites the opposition on, which then helps lead to mistakes at the back as we're under strain more. What happened to Ledson bursting past Thomas to shut the keeper down?
3. Close down opposition wingers before they can cross the ball.
4. Teach the players to take some leadership when the chips are down. I want to see lots of shouting, and a good amount of pointing.
5. Employ some gamesmanship when we're leading in a game. Wind the opposition up.
6. Get further up the pitch. Getting Ledson and Rothwell to collect the ball off the defence sounds like a nice idea, but when they then turn and see the rest of the team miles away and all marked up then it's not much good.
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Post by oufcyellows on Nov 11, 2017 20:07:21 GMT
Some things that I think would help. 1. Play wingers on the side of the strongest foot, so they go on the outside rather than drift inside and clog the midfield. Not only would this help the wide players, it would create more space for Payne to thrive in. It would also make sense as we don't have overlapping full backs. 2. Press the opposition and do it higher up the pitch. Today, Ledson and Rothwell were so deep, often just yards in front of the back 4.It is passive and it invites the opposition onto you, which then helps lead to mistakes at the back as we're under strain more. What happened to Ledson bursting past Thomas to shut the keeper down? 3. Close down opposition wingers before they can cross the ball. 4. Teach the players to take some leadership when the chips are down. I want to see lots of shouting, and a good amount of pointing. 5. Employ some gamesmanship when we're leading in a game. Wind the opposition up. This
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Post by RCYellowRC on Nov 11, 2017 20:14:00 GMT
Couldn't make it today, how did Martin get on? If Nelsons out for a while, looks like we'll see him filling in. I've only seen the second golf and he didn't fill me with confidence. Thought he did okay second half, feel like Ledson put him in trouble for the winning goal which was only 3 minutes after he came on, but he dealt with that awfully, 1st he let the man run past him and then grabbed hold of his shirt and slipped over in the process, so if the goal didn't go in then they probably had a penalty.
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Post by RCYellowRC on Nov 11, 2017 20:28:39 GMT
Few frustrating things today, that cost us the game. 1. The referee in the 1st half bottled a red card challenge in my opinion, don't know if this was because Henry got the ball after Thomas got wiped out by their centre-back.Henry literally took two touches before losing it, so if the ref counts that as an advantage then Henry should have left the ball and we would have been playing against 10 for around an hour. I was under the impression last man in a goal scoring opportunity meant a red card. 2. Tiendalli, what is his purpose? stood of his man every time they ran at him, at one point he was tracking back in the centre-back position and Ledson had to go and tackle the winger who had the whole right flank to himself. 3. Finishing,We don't take enough shots and when we do they are either right at the keeper or they go flying past the goal. Probably 1 in 10 of our shots forces the keeper to work for a save. Nobody makes movement in the box either Thomas was having to come wide to get the ball and leaving nobody in the box. 4. Static, No movement anywhere for large parts of the game today, we ended up playing it sideways because nobody was advancing forward, think this was mainly to do with how high Northampton were playing though. When strikers were moving they were offside, so either the strikers need to hold their run or the ball needs to be played quicker. 5. Crossing, We're not doing it enough, when we did it today we troubled Northampton especially when it was low and hard, Ricardinho had one in the second half that flashed across goal with Obika and Thomas on the pitch one of them should've been on the end of that.
Hopefully we sort this out for the next match, at the moment 6 winless , coming into the hardest period of the season.
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Post by berliner on Nov 11, 2017 20:37:10 GMT
Some things that I think would help. 1. Play wingers on the side of the strongest foot, so they go on the outside rather than drift inside and clog the midfield. Not only would this help the wide players, it would create more space for Payne to thrive in. It would also make sense as we don't have overlapping full backs. 2. Press the opposition and do it higher up the pitch. Today, Ledson and Rothwell were so deep, often just yards in front of the back 4. It is passive and it invites the opposition on, which then helps lead to mistakes at the back as we're under strain more. What happened to Ledson bursting past Thomas to shut the keeper down? 3. Close down opposition wingers before they can cross the ball. 4. Teach the players to take some leadership when the chips are down. I want to see lots of shouting, and a good amount of pointing. 5. Employ some gamesmanship when we're leading in a game. Wind the opposition up. 6. Get further up the pitch. Getting Ledson and Rothwell to collect the ball off the defence sounds like a nice idea, but when they then turn and see the rest of the team miles away and all marked up then it's not much good. 7. Defend after f*cking scoring!
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Post by eraser on Nov 11, 2017 20:41:29 GMT
Few frustrating things today, that cost us the game. 1. The referee in the 1st half bottled a red card challenge in my opinion, don't know if this was because Henry got the ball after Thomas got wiped out by their centre-back.Henry literally took two touches before losing it, so if the ref counts that as an advantage then Henry should have left the ball and we would have been playing against 10 for around an hour. I was under the impression last man in a goal scoring opportunity meant a red card. 2. Tiendalli, what is his purpose? stood of his man every time they ran at him, at one point he was tracking back in the centre-back position and Ledson had to go and tackle the winger who had the whole right flank to himself. 3. Finishing,We don't take enough shots and when we do they are either right at the keeper or they go flying past the goal. Probably 1 in 10 of our shots forces the keeper to work for a save. Nobody makes movement in the box either Thomas was having to come wide to get the ball and leaving nobody in the box. 4. Static, No movement anywhere for large parts of the game today, we ended up playing it sideways because nobody was advancing forward, think this was mainly to do with how high Northampton were playing though. When strikers were moving they were offside, so either the strikers need to hold their run or the ball needs to be played quicker. 5. Crossing, We're not doing it enough, when we did it today we troubled Northampton especially when it was low and hard, Ricardinho had one in the second half that flashed across goal with Obika and Thomas on the pitch one of them should've been on the end of that. Hopefully we sort this out for the next match, at the moment 6 winless , coming into the hardest period of the season. Fair comments on points 2-5 but please don't lower yourself to blaming match officials today. Pep did it in his post match - it just smacks of trying to find a scapegoat for a sh*t performance. Ledson made the game changing mistake not the ref..
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Post by charliesghost on Nov 11, 2017 20:42:43 GMT
Some things that I think would help. 1. Play wingers on the side of the strongest foot, so they go on the outside rather than drift inside and clog the midfield. Not only would this help the wide players, it would create more space for Payne to thrive in. It would also make sense as we don't have overlapping full backs. 2. Press the opposition and do it higher up the pitch. Today, Ledson and Rothwell were so deep, often just yards in front of the back 4. It is passive and it invites the opposition on, which then helps lead to mistakes at the back as we're under strain more. What happened to Ledson bursting past Thomas to shut the keeper down? 3. Close down opposition wingers before they can cross the ball. 4. Teach the players to take some leadership when the chips are down. I want to see lots of shouting, and a good amount of pointing. 5. Employ some gamesmanship when we're leading in a game. Wind the opposition up. 6. Get further up the pitch. Getting Ledson and Rothwell to collect the ball off the defence sounds like a nice idea, but when they then turn and see the rest of the team miles away and all marked up then it's not much good. Crikey, that really does sum it up, doesn't it? What a post. Problem is that our defence is so slow and old that I don't think they can afford to play a high line. And you can't play a high press without a high defensive line. I am really concerned about our tactical inflexibility. Northampton sometimes went direct, sometimes they played it through the middle, sometimes they passed it wide. We just do the same thing, every single time. We don't have the target man or the wide players to do anything different. If anyone scouts us properly, the game is so easy. Ironically, it's the stronger sides - who can't be bothered to work us out - who give us our best chance to play how we want. But then they are good enough to take us on on our own terms anyway.
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Post by Toeby on Nov 11, 2017 20:48:03 GMT
Some things that I think would help. 1. Play wingers on the side of the strongest foot, so they go on the outside rather than drift inside and clog the midfield. Not only would this help the wide players, it would create more space for Payne to thrive in. It would also make sense as we don't have overlapping full backs. 2. Press the opposition and do it higher up the pitch. Today, Ledson and Rothwell were so deep, often just yards in front of the back 4. It is passive and it invites the opposition on, which then helps lead to mistakes at the back as we're under strain more. What happened to Ledson bursting past Thomas to shut the keeper down? 3. Close down opposition wingers before they can cross the ball. 4. Teach the players to take some leadership when the chips are down. I want to see lots of shouting, and a good amount of pointing. 5. Employ some gamesmanship when we're leading in a game. Wind the opposition up. 6. Get further up the pitch. Getting Ledson and Rothwell to collect the ball off the defence sounds like a nice idea, but when they then turn and see the rest of the team miles away and all marked up then it's not much good. 7. Defend after f*cking scoring! Ah come on, where's the fun in that?
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Post by RCYellowRC on Nov 11, 2017 20:55:00 GMT
Few frustrating things today, that cost us the game. 1. The referee in the 1st half bottled a red card challenge in my opinion, don't know if this was because Henry got the ball after Thomas got wiped out by their centre-back.Henry literally took two touches before losing it, so if the ref counts that as an advantage then Henry should have left the ball and we would have been playing against 10 for around an hour. I was under the impression last man in a goal scoring opportunity meant a red card. 2. Tiendalli, what is his purpose? stood of his man every time they ran at him, at one point he was tracking back in the centre-back position and Ledson had to go and tackle the winger who had the whole right flank to himself. 3. Finishing,We don't take enough shots and when we do they are either right at the keeper or they go flying past the goal. Probably 1 in 10 of our shots forces the keeper to work for a save. Nobody makes movement in the box either Thomas was having to come wide to get the ball and leaving nobody in the box. 4. Static, No movement anywhere for large parts of the game today, we ended up playing it sideways because nobody was advancing forward, think this was mainly to do with how high Northampton were playing though. When strikers were moving they were offside, so either the strikers need to hold their run or the ball needs to be played quicker. 5. Crossing, We're not doing it enough, when we did it today we troubled Northampton especially when it was low and hard, Ricardinho had one in the second half that flashed across goal with Obika and Thomas on the pitch one of them should've been on the end of that. Hopefully we sort this out for the next match, at the moment 6 winless , coming into the hardest period of the season. Fair comments on points 2-5 but please don't lower yourself to blaming match officials today. Pep did it in his post match - it just smacks of trying to find a scapegoat for a sh*t performance. Ledson made the game changing mistake not the ref.. I hate blaming officials, personally we didn't deserve anything from the game, it's just one thing that frustrated me, of a number of things today.
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Post by shosho on Nov 11, 2017 20:55:25 GMT
Some things that I think would help. 1. Play wingers on the side of the strongest foot, so they go on the outside rather than drift inside and clog the midfield. Not only would this help the wide players, it would create more space for Payne to thrive in. It would also make sense as we don't have overlapping full backs. 2. Press the opposition and do it higher up the pitch. Today, Ledson and Rothwell were so deep, often just yards in front of the back 4. It is passive and it invites the opposition on, which then helps lead to mistakes at the back as we're under strain more. What happened to Ledson bursting past Thomas to shut the keeper down? 3. Close down opposition wingers before they can cross the ball. 4. Teach the players to take some leadership when the chips are down. I want to see lots of shouting, and a good amount of pointing. 5. Employ some gamesmanship when we're leading in a game. Wind the opposition up. 6. Get further up the pitch. Getting Ledson and Rothwell to collect the ball off the defence sounds like a nice idea, but when they then turn and see the rest of the team miles away and all marked up then it's not much good. Crikey, that really does sum it up, doesn't it? What a post. Problem is that our defence is so slow and old that I don't think they can afford to play a high line. And you can't play a high press without a high defensive line. I am really concerned about our tactical inflexibility. Northampton sometimes went direct, sometimes they played it through the middle, sometimes they passed it wide. We just do the same thing, every single time. We don't have the target man or the wide players to do anything different. If anyone scouts us properly, the game is so easy. Ironically, it's the stronger sides - who can't be bothered to work us out - who give us our best chance to play how we want. But then they are good enough to take us on on our own terms anyway. At points today I thought ‘I wonder if mousinho in CM would add some combativeness plus the ability to carry the ball’...then I realised, he’s just about the only defender that has the ability to defend (when Nelson is out of form). The link from midfield (defence to CM, CM to ST) is woeful. Hence that horrible circulation across the back 4.
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Post by cedricterrier on Nov 11, 2017 21:06:22 GMT
We were so poor it's worrying. Cut open at will . Put the wingers back on their correct side , cutting inside is just cramping the space . Tie deal is just not up to it . Why put obika in the whole ? He's a target man ,strange tactics . Ruffels is the glue that sticks the midfield together . Ledson needs a spell on the sideline . its not the defeat but the nature of the defeat . I'm worried we are deeper in a rut than we know .glad we got some decent early points on the board as I feel it will be a tough time till Jan , when hopefully a few new faces will help .
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Post by HeyMcAleny on Nov 11, 2017 21:17:30 GMT
Struggling to see a win today, so will go 1-2 Northampton and hope that I am again very pleasantly surprised. Where do I claim my prize?
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Post by RCYellowRC on Nov 11, 2017 21:17:45 GMT
I hate going back to him but Appleton wouldn't have taken any of the last 3 games. He always did something at half time to make sure we came out better Swinedon for example we were utter crap first half and then blew them away second half, Nothing changes with PEP at half time, what does he do in that dressing room? Start playing the maracas to try to get the players up for it? It seems to me he is too nice, and blames everything on the "Focus" of the players.
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Post by eighteen93 on Nov 11, 2017 21:19:27 GMT
Few frustrating things today, that cost us the game. 1. The referee in the 1st half bottled a red card challenge in my opinion, don't know if this was because Henry got the ball after Thomas got wiped out by their centre-back.Henry literally took two touches before losing it, so if the ref counts that as an advantage then Henry should have left the ball and we would have been playing against 10 for around an hour. I was under the impression last man in a goal scoring opportunity meant a red card. 2. Tiendalli, what is his purpose? stood of his man every time they ran at him, at one point he was tracking back in the centre-back position and Ledson had to go and tackle the winger who had the whole right flank to himself. 3. Finishing,We don't take enough shots and when we do they are either right at the keeper or they go flying past the goal. Probably 1 in 10 of our shots forces the keeper to work for a save. Nobody makes movement in the box either Thomas was having to come wide to get the ball and leaving nobody in the box. 4. Static, No movement anywhere for large parts of the game today, we ended up playing it sideways because nobody was advancing forward, think this was mainly to do with how high Northampton were playing though. When strikers were moving they were offside, so either the strikers need to hold their run or the ball needs to be played quicker. 5. Crossing, We're not doing it enough, when we did it today we troubled Northampton especially when it was low and hard, Ricardinho had one in the second half that flashed across goal with Obika and Thomas on the pitch one of them should've been on the end of that. Hopefully we sort this out for the next match, at the moment 6 winless , coming into the hardest period of the season. I’ll add another couple to your list. How about the way we start games especially at home - we don’t get on the front foot, we play at a slow tempo, unable to get on second balls and no cut and thrust. The Manager states publically that if we lose the first goal we’ll be in trouble.Guess what; we concede for fun after 10 minutes. We look rudderless and are so fragile - it looks like a long winter ahead.
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Post by gingerox on Nov 11, 2017 21:25:23 GMT
Some things that I think would help. 1. Play wingers on the side of the strongest foot, so they go on the outside rather than drift inside and clog the midfield. Not only would this help the wide players, it would create more space for Payne to thrive in. It would also make sense as we don't have overlapping full backs. 2. Press the opposition and do it higher up the pitch. Today, Ledson and Rothwell were so deep, often just yards in front of the back 4. It is passive and it invites the opposition on, which then helps lead to mistakes at the back as we're under strain more. What happened to Ledson bursting past Thomas to shut the keeper down? 3. Close down opposition wingers before they can cross the ball. 4. Teach the players to take some leadership when the chips are down. I want to see lots of shouting, and a good amount of pointing. 5. Employ some gamesmanship when we're leading in a game. Wind the opposition up. 6. Get further up the pitch. Getting Ledson and Rothwell to collect the ball off the defence sounds like a nice idea, but when they then turn and see the rest of the team miles away and all marked up then it's not much good. One step at a time mate, I've forgotten what that feels like
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Post by plonker on Nov 11, 2017 21:28:55 GMT
I hate going back to him but Appleton wouldn't have taken any of the last 3 games. He always did something at half time to make sure we came out better Swinedon for example we were utter crap first half and then blew them away second half, Nothing changes with PEP at half time, what does he do in that dressing room? Start playing the maracas to try to get the players up for it? It seems to me he is too nice, and blames everything on the "Focus" of the players. I imagine Pep cracks open a fortune cookie, reads it out loud and hopes it inspires the win. The problem is he seems to have bought a box of identical cookies because he keeps saying the same old stuff. I’m very much a fan of saying it like it is; that doesn’t seem to be his managerial style. I think Maguire would have given them a verbal kick up the ass on the pitch, too. I think we miss his spiky character.
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Post by eraser on Nov 11, 2017 21:34:26 GMT
I hate going back to him but Appleton wouldn't have taken any of the last 3 games. He always did something at half time to make sure we came out better Swinedon for example we were utter crap first half and then blew them away second half, Nothing changes with PEP at half time, what does he do in that dressing room? Start playing the maracas to try to get the players up for it? It seems to me he is too nice, and blames everything on the "Focus" of the players. I imagine Pep cracks open a fortune cookie, reads it out loud and hopes it inspires the win. The problem is he seems to have bought a box of identical cookies because he keeps saying the same old stuff. I’m very much a fan of saying it like it is; that doesn’t seem to be his managerial style. I think Maguire would have given them a verbal kick up the ass on the pitch, too. I think we miss his spiky character. Bought Xmas crackers - with the same joke inside....
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Post by grenobleroad on Nov 11, 2017 21:36:48 GMT
Some things that I think would help. 1. Play wingers on the side of the strongest foot, so they go on the outside rather than drift inside and clog the midfield. Not only would this help the wide players, it would create more space for Payne to thrive in. It would also make sense as we don't have overlapping full backs. 2. Press the opposition and do it higher up the pitch. Today, Ledson and Rothwell were so deep, often just yards in front of the back 4. It is passive and it invites the opposition on, which then helps lead to mistakes at the back as we're under strain more. What happened to Ledson bursting past Thomas to shut the keeper down? 3. Close down opposition wingers before they can cross the ball. 4. Teach the players to take some leadership when the chips are down. I want to see lots of shouting, and a good amount of pointing. 5. Employ some gamesmanship when we're leading in a game. Wind the opposition up. 6. Get further up the pitch. Getting Ledson and Rothwell to collect the ball off the defence sounds like a nice idea, but when they then turn and see the rest of the team miles away and all marked up then it's not much good. Sensible and constructive.
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Post by plonker on Nov 11, 2017 21:40:17 GMT
I imagine Pep cracks open a fortune cookie, reads it out loud and hopes it inspires the win. The problem is he seems to have bought a box of identical cookies because he keeps saying the same old stuff. I’m very much a fan of saying it like it is; that doesn’t seem to be his managerial style. I think Maguire would have given them a verbal kick up the ass on the pitch, too. I think we miss his spiky character. Bought Xmas crackers - with the same joke inside.... Is our defending the punchline? Certainly feels like it at the moment. Pep should have an impressive collection of moustache combs by now...
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Post by manorlounger on Nov 11, 2017 21:55:53 GMT
If I hear the word Fockus one more f*cking time........
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Post by fourthstand on Nov 11, 2017 22:23:12 GMT
If I hear the word Fockus one more f*cking time........ Ford Fockus going in for it’s Mot on Tuesday. Just saying....
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Post by RCYellowRC on Nov 11, 2017 23:20:04 GMT
That could've been the last time we see Nelson play for us, if this Achilles injury is lengthy.
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